Re: Want to review a book about GNOME 3?
Does a development guide qualify as a manual to you? I don't know a precise meaning for development guide. Is it another term for a tutorial introduction to using a program? That is a manual. There are introductory manuals, and reference manuals. Every program ought to come with full documentation, both tutorial and reference. In GNU we often make one manual do both jobs (see the GNU Coding Standards, node Documentation), but they can be separate also. In order for the program to be part of a free operating system such as GNU, these manuals need to be free. The tendency of free programs to depend on nonfree manuals is one of the big problems of the free software community, since the 1980s, which is why I wrote http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-doc.html. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Want to review a book about GNOME 3?
Hi! Am I too late? I'd love to read the book and review it :) I have no coding experience but my current internship has given me the confidence to contribute even more :) This book should be a good head start at things! Thank you. On 07-Mar-2013, at 1:49 AM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: On Wed, March 6, 2013 2:47 pm, tong hui wrote: On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 3:19 AM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: Mohammad Anwari I searched his name, so here is the book URL http://www.packtpub.com/gnome-3-application-development-beginners-guide/book Through the brief instruction of the book, and some item I am very interesting for reading the book and writing some reviews. may I ask a more cheaper ebook editon? Thanks! I've already gotten a few responses about this, so I'll ask about e-book copies, but I think we're probably set on reviewers now! karen ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Want to review a book about GNOME 3?
Hello all and hello Stallman, On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Richard Stallman r...@gnu.org wrote: If it is going to be sold via Amazon, GNOME might want to look into the Amazon non-profit affiliates program. Please don't encourage anyone to buy from Amazon. See stallman.org/amazon.html for the many bad things that Amazon does -- to independent book stores, publishers, authors, its workers, and its customers. I was wondering if you have to encouraging anyone to buy a book about GNOME from anywhere, and not just Amazon. There are so many people that work without a profit, why you should promote something sell-able only? I was hopping GNOME to have its own free book. We are in 2013, everything is online for free (at least in Free Software) and everything changes so fast, which a book will become obsolete in around 1 month. No need to mention that many people don't have money to buy it. Should we pay for knowledge? Nothing offensive to book author, just a thought. - alex Amazon e-books are particularly hostile to readers' freedom: see stallman.org/ebooks.pdf. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-l...@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Want to review a book about GNOME 3?
Hello all, So far as I can understand: 1. A development guide tells you how-to use many different FOSS products with explanation on how they will work together to help the reader create more free software. 2. Manuals are and must be free. So, the bone of contention is a manual Vs a collation of manuals with input that bridges them relevance between them (under the term development guide). My two cents is that going by the rule of free works and their derivatives must also be free, the author should consider releasing the book under a free license and to be fair to the effort the author has put in, he should charge a fee for the hardcopy/printed/paper edition. Thank you. On 08-Mar-2013, at 3:05 AM, alex diavatis alexis.diava...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all and hello Stallman, On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Richard Stallman r...@gnu.org wrote: If it is going to be sold via Amazon, GNOME might want to look into the Amazon non-profit affiliates program. Please don't encourage anyone to buy from Amazon. See stallman.org/amazon.html for the many bad things that Amazon does -- to independent book stores, publishers, authors, its workers, and its customers. I was wondering if you have to encouraging anyone to buy a book about GNOME from anywhere, and not just Amazon. There are so many people that work without a profit, why you should promote something sell-able only? I was hopping GNOME to have its own free book. We are in 2013, everything is online for free (at least in Free Software) and everything changes so fast, which a book will become obsolete in around 1 month. No need to mention that many people don't have money to buy it. Should we pay for knowledge? Nothing offensive to book author, just a thought. - alex Amazon e-books are particularly hostile to readers' freedom: see stallman.org/ebooks.pdf. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-l...@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Want to review a book about GNOME 3?
On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 6:20 AM, Sindhu S sind...@live.in wrote: So, the bone of contention is a manual Vs a collation of manuals with input that bridges them relevance between them (using the term development guide). I'm happy to pay for my developer guide, in the hope that it encourages other authors and other publishers to put out books that I want. (I want Packt to know there are people willing to pay for the book; I placed my order last week.) I can't really see a _Foundations of GTK+ 3 Development_ being published without the promise of more than breaking even. Mike ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Want to review a book about GNOME 3?
I mean no harm to anybody :) I have liked the book and bought the kindle version of it. However my stand on that the author should decide a common ground that satisfies both the free software advocacy and the profit from writing, still stands. On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Lefty le...@shugendo.org wrote: On Mar 8, 2013, at 3:20 AM, Sindhu S wrote: My two cents is that going by the rule of free works and their derivatives must also be free, the author should consider releasing the book (TXT or PDF format) under a copyleft license and to be fair to the effort the author has put in, he should charge a fee for the kindle/e-book hardcopy/printed/paper edition. And that's fair, eh? Advocating this approach sounds like a good way to ensure that no one who actually writes for a living, as opposed to doing it as some sort of hobby or therapy or something, ever writes a book having anything to do with free software... ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Want to review a book about GNOME 3?
I was wondering if you have to encouraging anyone to buy a book about GNOME from anywhere, and not just Amazon. There are two separate issues here: free manuals, and Amazon. For the sake of free software, we must not recommend non-free manuals. The issue of free manuals, like the issue of free software, is about users' freedom, not about price. It's free as in freedom. Selling manuals is ok as long as they are free/libre/elefthero. The FSF sells copies of free manuals, and some companies do too. Amazon is a separate issue. http://stallman.org/amazon.html explains why I think it is bad to recommend buying from Amazon. That is only my personal position -- the GNU Project doesn't have a position on this issue -- but I hope that some of you will share my concerns. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Want to review a book about GNOME 3?
FWIW, in my first email back to Packt I requested that they consider releasing this under a free license. Based on the response, I'm a little unclear about what the license terms are but I suppose it will be cleared up when we get the sample copies. I suggest you press them on this without delay -- don't wait to receive sample copies, because by then it could be harder to change anything, and they might use that as an excuse not to consider the issue. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Want to review a book about GNOME 3?
1. A development guide tells you how-to use many different FOSS products with explanation on how they will work together to help the reader create more free software. That is a kind of manual. Any book that explains how to use some software is a manual. One kind of manual is a _reference manual_ which explain all the details of each construct or command. But documentation to teach a beginner the basic use of a program is a manual too. My two cents is that going by the rule of free works and their derivatives must also be free, the author should consider releasing the book under a free license and to be fair to the effort the author has put in, he should charge a fee for the hardcopy/printed/paper edition. If he releases the book under a free license, he can sell copies, and we should encourage people to buy copies. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Reminder: Call for a11y bids deadline in one week
Hi everyone, Just a friendly reminder that the deadline to submit a proposal to do a11y work with our Friends of GNOME money and Mozilla sponsorship is coming up a week from today. Details are here: http://www.gnome.org/news/2013/02/call-for-bids-for-gnome-accessibility-work/ Extra tip for those of you working on proposals: one item that isn't on the list but would surely be good to see is a discussion of your future commitment to contributing to GNOME and accessibility once the money runs out. I look forward to reading your bid! karen ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
