Re: Google Code-In 2012?
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote: Quick update: We were not able to get enough tasks and mentors to sign up to do Google Code-In, so GNOME will not participate. Fellow GNOME Foundation members, Just because GNOME did not muster an application for GCI does not mean that all opportunity to participate is lost. As the many Sugaristas on the membership rolls will know, Sugar Labs (and the OLPC OS builds that are it's major distribution channel) are heavily dependent on the GNOME stack (mostly via Fedora). I am pleased to announce that Sugar Labs did submit a winning application for participation in GCI2012 (as did our friends at Fedora). To the extent that, in a given case, a clear argument is made that Sugar Labs and it's users will directly benefit (as a downstream), I would certainly entertain the idea of posting GCI tasks that would land upstream rather than drectly in SL repos. My understanding is that GCI is about introducing kids to FOSS and I can think of no lessons more important than understanding the interdependence of the FOSS stack; how to work collaboratively across project boundaries; and the importance of showing some love to the upstream. If you have suitable task ideas that straddle the GNOME-Sugar boundary, please feel free to write them up and place them on our wiki staging area for consideration, ideally creating a task specific wiki page tagged with GCI2012 giving more details. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Google_Code-In_2012 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/GoogleCodeIn2012/GCI2012_Brainstorming http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Category:GCI2012 Note: Tasks are not official until one of the GCI coordinators (myself and Walter Bender) posts them up to the GCI server. I can't speak for Fedora, but I would imagine they would take a similar stance (and Sugar Labs might also benefit as a Fedora downstream). http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GCI_2012 Particularly important initiatives in the current Sugar development cycle include GTK3+ porting, introspection, touch UI operability, and compatibility with ARM architecture, so tasks that would smooth the rapids of downstreaming in those areas would be most welcome. A pretty good way to get a sense of the Sugar - GNOME overlap would be to scan the included packages list of a recent OLPC build. x86 http://build.laptop.org/13.1.0/os12/xo-1/31012o0.packages.txt ARM http://build.laptop.org/13.1.0/os12/xo-4/31012o4.packages.txt If you don't have a specific task in mind, but like the idea of helping to introduce a kid to the world of FOSS, I would welcome you to consider applying to serve as a mentor for Sugar Labs tasks that interest you. I can tell you that Sugar Labs has already attracted some very bright kids from worldwide deployments as contributors. That is our secret generational recruiting strategy :-). OLPC gives a kid an XO laptop running Sugar and we wait for them to be shaped into Sugar developers by some amazing teachers (like Flavio Danesse). We have one particularly shining example of a kid who got an XO at nine years old and at the ripe old age of fourteen, he is now hacking the Sugar Core UI alongside our lead developers. Numerous other examples exist of kids who have contributed smaller, stand-alone applications (what we call Activites in Sugar-speak). Our ranks of potential mentors are small (and very busy), so your help in making GCI a successful experience for the kids would be most appreciated. Please drift on downstream for a few days to knock off a task or two and teach a kid a thing or two about how FOSS gets stuff done. Feel free to kick ideas around with myself or Walter Bender by e-mail or drop into irc://freenode/sugar At present, the GCI mentor registration process is a little buggy, but there is a work around described here: http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=1640 Warmest Regards, cjl ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Google Code-In 2012?
On Mon, 2012-10-22 at 14:40 -0700, Andre Klapper wrote: Assuming that not everybody reads this mailing list I've written a public call: http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/2012/10/22/gnome-do-you-want-to-participate-in-google-code-in/ If nobody volunteers to become organizer, GNOME will not take part. Quick update: We were not able to get enough tasks and mentors to sign up to do Google Code-In, so GNOME will not participate. andre -- Andre Klapper | ak...@gmx.net http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Google Code-In 2012?
Hi, On 10/22/2012 11:40 PM, Andre Klapper wrote: Assuming that not everybody reads this mailing list I've written a public call: http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/2012/10/22/gnome-do-you-want-to-participate-in-google-code-in/ If nobody volunteers to become organizer, GNOME will not take part. In my experience this kind of public call for volunteers, combined with a threat, is not an effective strategy. How about if the board (or the mentors) got together, and put together a short-list of 3 or 4 potential organizers, and ask them individually? It would be a disaster (and rather ridiculous) if GNOME did not take part. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary, Lyon, France Email: dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Google Code-In 2012?
On Wed, 2012-10-24 at 09:11 +0200, Dave Neary wrote: If nobody volunteers to become organizer, GNOME will not take part. In my experience this kind of public call for volunteers, combined with a threat, is not an effective strategy. There was no threat. I clarified that if nobody does $work, $work won't happen. I did this as there often is a culture of You did it last time, so I assumed you do it again (release notes, anyone?) which leads to nobody working on anything. How about if the board (or the mentors) got together, and put together a short-list of 3 or 4 potential organizers, and ask them individually? Surely anybody is free to find organizers, or even find people to find organizers. But taking a look at the schedule (12 days left to apply) I'd prefer people worked on Code-In itself instead of adding one abstraction layer by creating a committee to find somebody to run GCI. It would be a disaster (and rather ridiculous) if GNOME did not take part. No, it wouldn't be. Other FLOSS organizations have consciously decided in the past not to take part in GCI and the world didn't collapse either. Apart from admitting missing mentor/admin manpower/engagement in general, potential reasons to not take part can be the expectation to provide feedback to students within 36 hours, or the opinion that the contest definition (short tasks, in the past no strong binding of student to mentor organization, mentors' feeling of not getting much out of it) does not work out well for a specific organization. andre -- Andre Klapper | ak...@gmx.net http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Google Code-In 2012?
Yoy know I can't assume that task, but I promise I'll write Ignacio today to ask him if he could be a mentor for this event. Maybe we both could do the work, me assigning bugs and doing a first test of the patches, and Ignacio checking them deeply and approving them. I'll writing him and I'll keep you noticed. 2012/10/16 Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 13:36 +0200, Daniel Mustieles García wrote: I could help with this task opening bugs for errors and/or enhancements, or simply recommending some bugs to the students or testing patches. Defining tasks is certainly nice, but would you also volunteer as a mentor for students and review their work? We would need mentors. andre -- Andre Klapper | ak...@gmx.net http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Google Code-In 2012?
Hi! I got the impression, that there will be no translation tasks this year. Thanks for the heads-up, you are totally right. That's a pity. I think translation tasks have been to difficult to check in the past and people abused Google Translate so I can kind of understand that they removed them. However, I would still be interested in Code-In and might help organising but I don't have time to fully handle that. Regards, Johannes ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Google Code-In 2012?
On Sun, October 14, 2012 10:49 am, Andre Klapper wrote: Google will run Google Code-In (GCI) again this year (see [1] below if you don't know what that is). Is the GNOME community interested in participating? Would you (developer, translator, doc writer, designer) be a mentor and provide tasks? (Asking as I faced reluctance in the past, because time spent mentoring students took often longer than if GNOMErs did the task themselves, plus students often didn't stick with the mentoring org afterwards.) In case there is enough interest: Is anybody else in to help organizing this for GNOME? Asking as I won't have much time this year. I can, of course! I can also come up with a few marketing tasks at least... While there's no translation this year, I note that to get started, we only need 5 tasks for each of the 5 categories by the November 26 start this time (there were 8 categories last time). They also changed the prize structure to motivate students to concentrate their work with one or two projects, and are asking for tasks to be more bite-sized (able to be completed by an experienced person in 2 hours) I think both of these changes make the program better for mentors to participate. karen Comments? andre [1] Code-In is for 13-17 year old students. Tasks take 3 to 5 days. Nov 05th is the deadline for orgs to apply. The contest runs from Nov 26th to Jan 16th. Tasks can be about Code, Documentation, Outreach/Research/Marketing/Community Management, QA and UX. http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2012/09/google-code-in-contest-for-high-school.html -- mailto:ak...@gmx.net http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Google Code-In 2012?
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 4:58 AM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: On Sun, October 14, 2012 10:49 am, Andre Klapper wrote: Google will run Google Code-In (GCI) again this year (see [1] below if you don't know what that is). Is the GNOME community interested in participating? Would you (developer, translator, doc writer, designer) be a mentor and provide tasks? Would it be possible to include hacking WebKitGTK+ i18n so it produces a valid POT file for Damned Lies? https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45321 This problem has gone unattended for two years and it makes Epiphany (and Sugar Browse) insulting to non-English users as well as making Gnome look bad. cjl ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Google Code-In 2012?
On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 05:24 -0400, Chris Leonard wrote: Would it be possible to include hacking WebKitGTK+ i18n so it produces a valid POT file for Damned Lies? https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45321 This problem has gone unattended for two years and it makes Epiphany (and Sugar Browse) insulting to non-English users as well as making Gnome look bad. In general: If writing a patch is not very complex and if somebody volunteers to be a mentor, any such issue could become a potential task. andre -- Andre Klapper | ak...@gmx.net http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Google Code-In 2012?
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 5:28 AM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote: On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 05:24 -0400, Chris Leonard wrote: Would it be possible to include hacking WebKitGTK+ i18n so it produces a valid POT file for Damned Lies? https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45321 This problem has gone unattended for two years and it makes Epiphany (and Sugar Browse) insulting to non-English users as well as making Gnome look bad. In general: If writing a patch is not very complex and if somebody volunteers to be a mentor, any such issue could become a potential task. Well here's about 30 simple string bugs (mostly typos). https://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advancedemailreporter1=1bug_status=UNCONFIRMEDbug_status=NEWbug_status=ASSIGNEDbug_status=REOPENEDbug_status=NEEDINFOemail1=cjlhomeaddress%40gmail.comemailtype1=substring They are not particularly challenging to fix or mentor. cjl ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Google Code-In 2012?
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote: On Sun, 2012-10-14 at 18:48 +0300, Rūdolfs Mazurs wrote: Sv, 2012-10-14 16:49 +0200, Andre Klapper rakstīja: Would you (developer, translator, doc writer, designer) be a mentor and provide tasks? I got the impression, that there will be no translation tasks this year. Thanks for the heads-up, you are totally right. That's a pity. The announcement indeed does not mention translations. Are we positive that the organizers specifically do not want to have translation tasks this year? Citation? Simos ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Google Code-In 2012?
Althought I'm not the maintainer, I'd like to propose fixing and improving Gtranslator as a task for GCI. As André says, mentoring may take more time than fixing the bugs, but the project is in a critical stage, since the maintainer has announced that he is not maintaining it anymore, and nobody is interested in doing it. This GCI should be the opportunity to try to recruit and teach a new maintainer for Gtranslator. As I've said several times, GT should be the official tool for GNOME translators, like Anjuta for developers. Having a good tool for translators should be a priority, since we should be able to develop and maintain the necesary tools to develop, test and translate our own project. I could help with this task opening bugs for errors and/or enhancements, or simply recommending some bugs to the students or testing patches. Hope we be able to rescue this great tool. Best regards. 2012/10/14 Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net Google will run Google Code-In (GCI) again this year (see [1] below if you don't know what that is). Is the GNOME community interested in participating? Would you (developer, translator, doc writer, designer) be a mentor and provide tasks? (Asking as I faced reluctance in the past, because time spent mentoring students took often longer than if GNOMErs did the task themselves, plus students often didn't stick with the mentoring org afterwards.) In case there is enough interest: Is anybody else in to help organizing this for GNOME? Asking as I won't have much time this year. Comments? andre [1] Code-In is for 13-17 year old students. Tasks take 3 to 5 days. Nov 05th is the deadline for orgs to apply. The contest runs from Nov 26th to Jan 16th. Tasks can be about Code, Documentation, Outreach/Research/Marketing/Community Management, QA and UX. http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2012/09/google-code-in-contest-for-high-school.html -- mailto:ak...@gmx.net http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Google Code-In 2012?
On Mon, October 15, 2012 6:01 am, Simos Xenitellis wrote: The announcement indeed does not mention translations. Are we positive that the organizers specifically do not want to have translation tasks this year? Citation? There's a page called Information for Mentors and Org Admins for GCI 2012 that says: We have removed translation tasks entirely from this year's contest per feedback from mentors and students. Do not combine translation tasks into documentation tasks - we specifically are not having translation tasks be any part of this year's contest. http://code.google.com/p/google-code-in/wiki/GCIMentorInformation2012 karen ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Google Code-In 2012?
On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 13:36 +0200, Daniel Mustieles García wrote: I could help with this task opening bugs for errors and/or enhancements, or simply recommending some bugs to the students or testing patches. Defining tasks is certainly nice, but would you also volunteer as a mentor for students and review their work? We would need mentors. andre -- Andre Klapper | ak...@gmx.net http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Google Code-In 2012?
Google will run Google Code-In (GCI) again this year (see [1] below if you don't know what that is). Is the GNOME community interested in participating? Would you (developer, translator, doc writer, designer) be a mentor and provide tasks? (Asking as I faced reluctance in the past, because time spent mentoring students took often longer than if GNOMErs did the task themselves, plus students often didn't stick with the mentoring org afterwards.) In case there is enough interest: Is anybody else in to help organizing this for GNOME? Asking as I won't have much time this year. Comments? andre [1] Code-In is for 13-17 year old students. Tasks take 3 to 5 days. Nov 05th is the deadline for orgs to apply. The contest runs from Nov 26th to Jan 16th. Tasks can be about Code, Documentation, Outreach/Research/Marketing/Community Management, QA and UX. http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2012/09/google-code-in-contest-for-high-school.html -- mailto:ak...@gmx.net http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Google Code-In 2012?
Sv, 2012-10-14 16:49 +0200, Andre Klapper rakstīja: Would you (developer, translator, doc writer, designer) be a mentor and provide tasks? I got the impression, that there will be no translation tasks this year. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Google Code-In 2012?
On Sun, 2012-10-14 at 18:48 +0300, Rūdolfs Mazurs wrote: Sv, 2012-10-14 16:49 +0200, Andre Klapper rakstīja: Would you (developer, translator, doc writer, designer) be a mentor and provide tasks? I got the impression, that there will be no translation tasks this year. Thanks for the heads-up, you are totally right. That's a pity. andre -- Andre Klapper | ak...@gmx.net http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
