Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Name of the programming language used in/with FPC
On 16 February 2011 16:51, leledumbo leledumbo_c...@yahoo.co.id wrote: Yeah, he let Pascal in the last state he worked on. But don't you know he's also an actor behind (Apple's) Object Pascal? -- View this message in context: http://free-pascal-general.1045716.n5.nabble.com/Name-of-the-programming-language-used-in-with-FPC-tp3375543p3387995.html Sent from the Free Pascal - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal How about Dijkstra? This will focus minds our wonderfully and will lead us to ensure that our programs are derived correctly from precise unambiguous semantically sound specifications. . I mean, we can't call our language Dijkstra and write buggy programs, can we? We should consider it a challenge. Let the voting begin!! -- Frank Church === http://devblog.brahmancreations.com ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Name of the programming language used in/with FPC
On 2/17/11 12:04 PM, Frank Church wrote: How about Dijkstra? Where can I send a letter to the editor saying Naming the language Dijkstra is considered harmful. ;) ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Name of the programming language used in/with FPC
Philippe Kahn did more for Pascal then Dijkstra. He expanded it and made it soo cheaply available that it was an instant winner. Regards / Cees On 02/17/2011 07:32 PM, Doug Chamberlin wrote: On 2/17/11 12:04 PM, Frank Church wrote: How about Dijkstra? Where can I send a letter to the editor saying Naming the language Dijkstra is considered harmful. ;) ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Name of the programming language used in/with FPC
On Thu, 17 Feb 2011, Cees Binkhorst wrote: Philippe Kahn did more for Pascal then Dijkstra. He expanded it and made it soo cheaply available that it was an instant winner. ...and Borland/Inprise squandered the lead. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Name of the programming language used in/with FPC
That was the time the professional managers took over. Fuller was his name if my memory is correct. They allowed Anders Hejlsberg to be bought by MS (signing bonus), while 'the managers' took hefty bonuses and shares (which Anders did not get, while he was the brains, and they only the suites). Regards / Cees On 02/17/2011 10:01 PM, Gene Buckle wrote: On Thu, 17 Feb 2011, Cees Binkhorst wrote: Philippe Kahn did more for Pascal then Dijkstra. He expanded it and made it soo cheaply available that it was an instant winner. ...and Borland/Inprise squandered the lead. g. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Name of the programming language used in/with FPC
On Thu, 17 Feb 2011, Cees Binkhorst wrote: That was the time the professional managers took over. Fuller was his name if my memory is correct. They allowed Anders Hejlsberg to be bought by MS (signing bonus), while 'the managers' took hefty bonuses and shares (which Anders did not get, while he was the brains, and they only the suites). Yep. Any time you've got accountants running a technology company, you've got a failed company that doesn't know it yet. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Name of the programming language used in/with FPC
On 17 Feb 2011, at 22:48, Gene Buckle wrote: Yep. Any time you've got accountants running a technology company, you've got a failed company that doesn't know it yet. I believe this discussion has ended up well into the territory of the fpc-other list now... :) Thanks, Jonas FPC mailing lists admin___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Name of the programming language used in/with FPC
I suggest to ask first Professor Niklaus Wirth Regards Markus Greim ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Name of the programming language used in/with FPC
On 2/16/11 5:40 AM, greim wrote: I suggest to ask first Professor Niklaus Wirth I think he has moved on long ago. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Name of the programming language used in/with FPC
Am 16.02.2011 17:20, schrieb Rich Saunders: On 2/16/11 5:40 AM, greim wrote: I suggest to ask first Professor Niklaus Wirth I think he has moved on long ago. Don't let him know that, as he's still happily alive: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niklaus_Wirth Regards, Sven ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Name of the programming language used in/with FPC
On 2/16/11 11:27 AM, Sven Barth wrote: ...he's still happily alive: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niklaus_Wirth Of course he is. I only meant he has not paid much attention to the Pascal language for decades. ;) ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Name of the programming language used in/with FPC
Am 16.02.2011 17:36, schrieb Rich Saunders: On 2/16/11 11:27 AM, Sven Barth wrote: ...he's still happily alive: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niklaus_Wirth Of course he is. I only meant he has not paid much attention to the Pascal language for decades. ;) In that case I've misunderstood you ^^ Regards, Sven ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
[fpc-pascal] Re: Name of the programming language used in/with FPC
Yeah, he let Pascal in the last state he worked on. But don't you know he's also an actor behind (Apple's) Object Pascal? -- View this message in context: http://free-pascal-general.1045716.n5.nabble.com/Name-of-the-programming-language-used-in-with-FPC-tp3375543p3387995.html Sent from the Free Pascal - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
[fpc-pascal] Re: Name of the programming language used in/with FPC
Mark Morgan Lloyd markmll.fpc-pas...@telemetry.co.uk wrote: Marco van de Voort wrote: In our previous episode, Ben said: What is the programming language used in and with the Free Pascal Compiler? * Object Pascal * Delphi * Free Pascal * Pascal Pretty much all apply. Free Pascal has a mode concept with 5/6 modes. I think that we need to distinguish between the name of the language (either Pascal or Object Pascal) and the implementation (Free Pascal). It's entirely reasonable that there be variations in the underlying language depending on implementation. I'd suggest that an issue to be considered is what facilities are available in the language by default, i.e. with no command line options, embedded directives or uses statements. It is all of them. Object Pascal is a superset of Pascal. Delphi is a variant of Object Pascal (an implementation of OP plus a RAD). Free Pascal is an implementation and extension of all the others. I consider myself an FPC programmer rather than a Pascal programmer simply because it is important to stress that I am not clinging to the 70's original Pascal but a modern language. Strangely enough, you have to make that clear, while few C programmers are expected to use the KR C of the same time even though they don't present themselves as C99 programmers or ANSI C programmers. /Ingemar ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
[fpc-pascal] Re: Name of the programming language used in/with FPC
Moreover, we need to distinguish between the base (i.e. standard) language and the implemented language (and its extensions). Almost all programming languages with more than one implementations do. For instance, standard C cannot have nested functions, but C implemented by GCC can. Standard C cannot have ... to mark range in case part of a switch statement, but C implemented by GCC can. -- View this message in context: http://free-pascal-general.1045716.n5.nabble.com/Name-of-the-programming-language-used-in-with-FPC-tp3375543p3376333.html Sent from the Free Pascal - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
