Re: [fpc-pascal] Textmode IDE splitscreen?

[Tomas Hajny]

On Mon, July 25, 2016 21:29, Nikolay Nikolov wrote:
 .
 .
> have, that has two ISA slots, is a K6-2 and I doubt if
> it's possible to configure it to run with two 8-bit ISA
> video cards, provided that this is a PCI/AGP era
> machine. I haven't tried it yet, but I suspect the BIOS
> would scream bloody murder if it doesn't find a VGA card
> on either one of the PCI slots or on the AGP slot. Has
> anybody tried something like this yet? :) I know it
 .
 .

I believe that it should work - ISA cards were still in use when K6
appeared (especially the higher range ones / specialized with video
output, etc.).

Tomas


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Re: [fpc-pascal] Textmode IDE splitscreen?

[James Richters]

Thanks for the info. I will give it a try.   I was doing some DOS function 
calls, inline assembly,  and direct hardware access with PORT[ ] commands.  I 
just went though and commented out everything that wouldn’t work so it would 
compile and now I’m finding ways to make those things work.  I have the bulk of 
it working great, still a few minor details to work out, but it’s a LOT less 
work than a complete rewrite!

 

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Am 25.07.2016 22:52 schrieb "James Richters" <ja...@productionautomation.net 
<mailto:ja...@productionautomation.net> >:
> I've tried Lazarus, for some reason I can't even get my program to compile
> with Lazarus, I get pages of errors.  Maybe I just don't know how to get
> Lazarus into Turbo Pascal Compatible mode..

In your project's settings there is somewhere among the compiler options 
(sorry, I don't have it on front of me right now) a combobox that allows you to 
select the default mode. This is normally "ObjFPC", but you want to switch that 
to "TP".
Alternatively you can add "{$mode tp}" at the top of each of your units.

Please keep in mind though that quite some DOS tricks won't work when compiled 
on Windows (due to virtual memory, different API, etc.). Though as long as your 
program does not do any strange hardware accesses you should be fine.

Regards,
Sven

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Re: [fpc-pascal] Textmode IDE splitscreen?

[Sven Barth]

Am 25.07.2016 22:52 schrieb "James Richters" :
> I've tried Lazarus, for some reason I can't even get my program to compile
> with Lazarus, I get pages of errors.  Maybe I just don't know how to get
> Lazarus into Turbo Pascal Compatible mode..

In your project's settings there is somewhere among the compiler options
(sorry, I don't have it on front of me right now) a combobox that allows
you to select the default mode. This is normally "ObjFPC", but you want to
switch that to "TP".
Alternatively you can add "{$mode tp}" at the top of each of your units.

Please keep in mind though that quite some DOS tricks won't work when
compiled on Windows (due to virtual memory, different API, etc.). Though as
long as your program does not do any strange hardware accesses you should
be fine.

Regards,
Sven
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Re: [fpc-pascal] Textmode IDE splitscreen?

[James Richters]

>If you are using Windows, you can compile the IDE in FPC trunk with gdb/mi
support, 
>which works by opening your program in a new console window, so it gets the
effect
>you want already under Windows. Lazarus also does the same thing, if you
don't mind 
>using a newer IDE.

I'm using Windows,  Can you explain exactly what you mean by "compile the
IDE in FPC trunk with gdb/mi support" to be honest that went right over my
head.Are you talking about an option inside the existing IDE I should
turn on that changes how my program compiles so it gets a separate window,
or that I somehow recompile the IDE itself with some option so that it
always executes my program in a new window? 

I've tried Lazarus, for some reason I can't even get my program to compile
with Lazarus, I get pages of errors.  Maybe I just don't know how to get
Lazarus into Turbo Pascal Compatible mode..   

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Re: [fpc-pascal] Textmode IDE splitscreen?

[Nikolay Nikolov]

On 07/25/2016 12:57 AM, James Richters wrote:

Is there a way to get the textmode IDE to do splitscreen the way Turbo
Pascal used to if you had both a color and monochrome monitor?  It was very
handy to trace through the source code on the monochrome monitor and watch
it execute on the other one.. It prevented all the screen flashing when it
had to output something to the screen as you traced through the program.
I've been doing this on windows with TurboPascal with a customized version
of DOSBOX that would show the monochrome monitor in a separate window from
the color monitor.  Any suggestions for getting two windows with Free Pascal
textmode IDE?
If you are using Windows, you can compile the IDE in FPC trunk with 
gdb/mi support, which works by opening your program in a new console 
window, so it gets the effect you want already under Windows. Lazarus 
also does the same thing, if you don't mind using a newer IDE.


For go32v2, it is possible to add dual (color and monochrome) display 
support and in fact I have such a machine working right now (featuring a 
CGA and an EGA in monochrome mode), but it only has an 8088 CPU, so 
go32v2 (which requires a 386+) won't run on it. But thanks to that I 
have already added detection of two video cards in the graph and crt 
units for i8086-msdos and I have ported the code to go32v2 as well. But 
these units provide support for only writing/drawing to a single 
display, so my dual display code involve only detection of all the 
available video modes from both monitors and video cards, but when you 
set an actual video mode, you still only write to a single screen. 
That's how the interface of these units was designed. The same thing 
applies to the video unit, which the IDE uses. But, as Pierre said, the 
IDE uses special code for switching to/from the user screen, so that 
support can be implemented in the IDE code. And the IDE can only be 
compiled on go32v2, because it includes the compiler and that doesn't 
fit in the memory constraints of i8086-msdos (640kb isn't enough for 
everybody :) ).


I've thought about trying to setup a dual-monitor configuration on a 
386+ and adding dual-monitor go32v2 IDE support, but the only 386+ I 
have, that has two ISA slots, is a K6-2 and I doubt if it's possible to 
configure it to run with two 8-bit ISA video cards, provided that this 
is a PCI/AGP era machine. I haven't tried it yet, but I suspect the BIOS 
would scream bloody murder if it doesn't find a VGA card on either one 
of the PCI slots or on the AGP slot. Has anybody tried something like 
this yet? :) I know it sounds fun to try, but it'd be a lot of hassle 
swapping all of these cards (both the ISA slots are occupied by sound 
cards right now, and there's an AGP video card as well, which has to be 
removed, otherwise it would conflict with the CGA and the EGA).


Nikolay
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Re: [fpc-pascal] Textmode IDE splitscreen?

[James Richters]

I stand corrected, Now that I think of it, I also had the IDE on the color
screen and program executing on monochrome. however most of my programs used
the turbo pascal graph unit so my executing program needed the VGA screen...
I guess I got used to it being set up like that. 
Thanks for correcting me.

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Subject: Re: [fpc-pascal] Textmode IDE splitscreen?

On 7/25/2016 5:06 AM, James Richters wrote:
> The TurboPascal version used to write to B800-B7FF for the monochrome 
> monitor and A000-AFFF for the color monitor, the IDE was always on 
> monochrome and the program executing was always on color... that's how 
> it worked,
No, it didn't.

The monochrome screen RAM is at segment address $B000 and while a whole 32KB
is reserved ($-B7FF), only the first 4KB are in fact used. (80x25
characters, 2 bytes per character=4000 bytes) The Hercules graphics card did
use the whole 32KB when in graphics mode.

The default page for color text mode (mode 3) starts at $B800, is also 4KB
and a total of 8 pages are available up to $BFFF, though an original CGA
card had  only 16KB and hence only the first 4 pages are available.

And it was a choice which screen appears on which monitor, selectable as a
parameter upon start of the IDE. I in fact used to run most of the time with
the IDE on the color screen and the program output on the monochrome screen,
unless I would explicitly test a program with color screen features.

$A000 is the start of the EGA/VGA graphics screen, not a text screen segment
address...

Ralf

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Re: [fpc-pascal] Textmode IDE splitscreen?

[Ralf Quint]

On 7/25/2016 5:06 AM, James Richters wrote:

The TurboPascal version used to write to B800-B7FF for the monochrome
monitor and A000-AFFF for the color monitor, the IDE was always on
monochrome and the program executing was always on color... that's how it
worked,

No, it didn't.

The monochrome screen RAM is at segment address $B000 and while a whole 
32KB is reserved ($-B7FF), only the first 4KB are in fact used. (80x25 
characters, 2 bytes per character=4000 bytes) The Hercules graphics card 
did use the whole 32KB when in graphics mode.


The default page for color text mode (mode 3) starts at $B800, is also 
4KB and a total of 8 pages are available up to $BFFF, though an original 
CGA card had  only 16KB and hence only the first 4 pages are available.


And it was a choice which screen appears on which monitor, selectable as 
a parameter upon start of the IDE. I in fact used to run most of the 
time with the IDE on the color screen and the program output on the 
monochrome screen, unless I would explicitly test a program with color 
screen features.


$A000 is the start of the EGA/VGA graphics screen, not a text screen 
segment address...


Ralf

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Re: [fpc-pascal] Textmode IDE splitscreen?

[James Richters]

The TurboPascal version used to write to B800-B7FF for the monochrome
monitor and A000-AFFF for the color monitor, the IDE was always on
monochrome and the program executing was always on color... that's how it
worked,  but all that is really needed to help improve debugging with
freepascal is to get the "User Screen ALT-F5" to be in a different window so
you don't need to switch windows back and forth when trying to trace through
a program or watch variables.   It is updating both screens now, just you
can only see one at a time.   I have no idea how to get a second window
though, since it's running in a command prompt.  DOSBox already had 2
windows, someone made a patch to display the monochrome addresses in the
status window.. it was a little quirky but it worked.Maybe there needs
to be another program running in another DOS window and the two programs
have some way to send the screen to the second window and receive keystrokes
back.


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[mailto:fpc-pascal-boun...@lists.freepascal.org] On Behalf Of Pierre Free
Pascal
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 5:21 AM
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Subject: Re: [fpc-pascal] Textmode IDE splitscreen?

  Hello,

  The TextMode IDE is based on the package FV short for Free Vision, which
tries to follow TurboVision interface.

  But there is nothing inside that package that deals with dual monitor, so
I don't think this is possible with the current TextMode IDE.

  

  If you are only looking for a solution for the go32v2 IDE, what Dos Video
mode does your split screen correspond to?

  The switching between User and IDE is done mainly in ide/fpusrscr.pas
unit.
  Look for TDosVideoInfo record and TDosScreen object, and try to look into
the code how the support for your special split mode could be integrated.

  If the two screens have different Segments associated (look for VSeg local
variables in SaveIDEScreen, SaveConsoleScreen, SwitchToConsoleScreen and
SwitchBackToIDEScreen methods), it might be possible to  the code quite
easily.

In the hope it could lead to an improvement of the go32v2 IDE,

Pierre Muller



> -Message d'origine-
> De : fpc-pascal-boun...@lists.freepascal.org [mailto:fpc-pascal- 
> boun...@lists.freepascal.org] De la part de James Richters Envoyé : 
> dimanche 24 juillet 2016 23:57 À : 'FPC-Pascal users discussions'
> Objet : [fpc-pascal] Textmode IDE splitscreen?
> 
> Is there a way to get the textmode IDE to do splitscreen the way Turbo 
> Pascal used to if you had both a color and monochrome monitor?  It was 
> very handy to trace through the source code on the monochrome monitor 
> and watch it execute on the other one.. It prevented all the screen 
> flashing when it had to output something to the screen as you traced 
> through the program.
> I've been doing this on windows with TurboPascal with a customized 
> version of DOSBOX that would show the monochrome monitor in a separate 
> window from the color monitor.  Any suggestions for getting two 
> windows with Free Pascal textmode IDE?
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Re: [fpc-pascal] Textmode IDE splitscreen?

[Pierre Free Pascal]

  Hello,

  The TextMode IDE is based on the package FV
short for Free Vision, which tries to follow
TurboVision interface.

  But there is nothing inside that package that deals with
dual monitor, so I don't think this is possible with the
current TextMode IDE.

  

  If you are only looking for a solution for the go32v2 IDE,
what Dos Video mode does your split screen correspond to?

  The switching between User and IDE is done mainly in
ide/fpusrscr.pas unit.
  Look for TDosVideoInfo record and TDosScreen object,
and try to look into the code how the support for your special
split mode could be integrated.

  If the two screens have different Segments associated (look for VSeg 
local variables in SaveIDEScreen, SaveConsoleScreen, SwitchToConsoleScreen
and SwitchBackToIDEScreen methods),
it might be possible to  the code quite easily.

In the hope it could lead to an improvement of the go32v2 IDE,

Pierre Muller



> -Message d'origine-
> De : fpc-pascal-boun...@lists.freepascal.org [mailto:fpc-pascal-
> boun...@lists.freepascal.org] De la part de James Richters
> Envoyé : dimanche 24 juillet 2016 23:57
> À : 'FPC-Pascal users discussions'
> Objet : [fpc-pascal] Textmode IDE splitscreen?
> 
> Is there a way to get the textmode IDE to do splitscreen the way Turbo
> Pascal used to if you had both a color and monochrome monitor?  It was
> very
> handy to trace through the source code on the monochrome monitor and
> watch
> it execute on the other one.. It prevented all the screen flashing when
> it
> had to output something to the screen as you traced through the
> program.
> I've been doing this on windows with TurboPascal with a customized
> version
> of DOSBOX that would show the monochrome monitor in a separate window
> from
> the color monitor.  Any suggestions for getting two windows with Free
> Pascal
> textmode IDE?
> 
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[fpc-pascal] Textmode IDE splitscreen?

[James Richters]

Is there a way to get the textmode IDE to do splitscreen the way Turbo
Pascal used to if you had both a color and monochrome monitor?  It was very
handy to trace through the source code on the monochrome monitor and watch
it execute on the other one.. It prevented all the screen flashing when it
had to output something to the screen as you traced through the program.
I've been doing this on windows with TurboPascal with a customized version
of DOSBOX that would show the monochrome monitor in a separate window from
the color monitor.  Any suggestions for getting two windows with Free Pascal
textmode IDE?

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