Re: [Framers] MIF File Issue SOLVED

[Craig, Alison GLI/CA]

Rick Quatro came to the rescue yesterday and helped me find where the issue was 
located (and turned me on to Wordpad++)-although we couldn't tell exactly what 
Frame didn't like.

When we excised the relevant table (TblID), the MIF opened properly.

I've informed the LSP so they can deal with the original file at their end as 
it's probable (in my estimation) that the offending item/character comes from 
their tools. 

Thanks again to Rick! Without his help, I'd still be floundering.

Alison  




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I'll look for a UTF-8 capable editor - but I don't have a older version of 
Frame to try.

Rick Quatro has offered (off-list) to have a look so If no one in my "chain of 
command" has any objections, I'm definitely going to try that.

Alison 


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Craig,
At first I would try to open the MIF file in a UTF-8 capable text editor. Are 
there any problems?
Then you could try to open it in another FM-version (You know, in a lower level 
you will get messages about skipped features), but it should be possible.
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Re: [Framers] [EXTERNAL] Re: Framers Digest, Vol 206, Issue 1

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I'll look for a UTF-8 capable editor - but I don't have a older version of 
Frame to try.

Rick Quatro has offered (off-list) to have a look so If no one in my "chain of 
command" has any objections, I'm definitely going to try that.

Alison 


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Craig,
At first I would try to open the MIF file in a UTF-8 capable text editor. Are 
there any problems?
Then you could try to open it in another FM-version (You know, in a lower level 
you will get messages about skipped features), but it should be possible.
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[Framers] MIF File Issue

[Craig, Alison GLI/CA]

Win10, Frame 2020 (V 16.0.5.1096)
Two days I received a load of MIF files for 2 manuals from the translators 
(LSP). Every file except one opened perfectly.
The LSP can open the file without a problem. As I can't, I have asked them to 
re-create the file from their translation tools, and in the meantime, try to 
save the MIF as an FM file and send me a copy.
I've looked at the MIF using MS Notepad and compared the start and end of the 
file to one that opens just fine in Frame. I can't see any differences, but I'm 
not exactly a MIF expert.
The one really weird thing is that when Frame tries to open the file, a large 
screen of text is shown on the right-hand side of the screen (it looks like 
maybe it the MIF content) before the file opens with absolutely no visible 
content. I have a screenshot of that if anyone wants to answer me offline.
Alison
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Re: [Framers] Adobe removes functionality from a perpetual license? Adobe response???

[Craig, Alison GLI/CA]

IMHO, I would think this was theft (stealing functionality long since paid for) 
and possibly extortion, maybe even a form of ransomware (pay up for a new 
product or you can't use aspects of what you've already purchased). I agree 
that abandoning support is one thing. But this is a whole 'nother kettle of 
fish.
I am using a stand-alone version of Adobe Acrobat Pro 2017. I don't use the 
functionality you describe, but what else is going to be taken away...? 
I guess I have issues to report to IT - and no the answer isn't "buy the 
subscription".

Alison 

-Original Message-
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Framers] Adobe removes functionality from a perpetual 
license? Adobe response???

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Warning: LONG POST!!!

I have Framemaker 2019 (the last version for which a perpetual license was 
sold) and Adobe Acrobat Pro XI (a perpetual license) and have successfully used 
this combination for years to create Reader-Extended PDFs that my users can 
comment on for editing purposes. As old as Acrobat Pro is, I have NOT needed to 
upgrade to any version as I use only this basic function in it. Yesterday, out 
of the blue, after creating a Reader-Extended PDF that was enabled for 
commenting and measuring, I received the following Error message: You do not 
have permission to write to this file.  To say that I was stumped was an 
understatement. I am an independent contractor and therefore, the account that 
I use for my business systems is my Administrator account - full privileges to 
do anything and everything that I need/want to do - and I couldn't fathom why I 
was getting this message/ how it was being generated.  I thought that perhaps 
at first it had to with a hiccup caused by a recent Windows update. (If
  you recall, a Windows update a few years back torpedoed the Adobe PDF engine 
and users were unable to generate PDFs from Framemaker, Word, etc.)

I reached out to Rick Quatro for assistance as it was related to PDF generation 
and after a bit of sleuthing on his part, he came across this post from Adobe 
(just put an https:// in front of this): 
helpx.adobe.com/ca/acrobat/kb/reader-extended-pdfs-and-adobe-root-ca-expiry.html.

In a nutshell, this post states that Adobe is removing functionality from its 
Acrobat products, including those that had a perpetual license and the ONLY 
option that a user has who owns an Acrobat version older than 2017 is to 
upgrade to the latest version. (Users w/ versions 2017 and older have the 
option to download updates to resolve this issue.)  I won't get into the 
details of the visceral response that this elicited in me, but has anyone EVER 
had an issue with any other vendor besides Adobe removing functionality from an 
application for which you purchased a perpetual license? I am not referring to 
support - I totally understand why a vendor no longer provides updates/supports 
for older versions of SW, but removing functionality to force you to upgrade? 
This does not remotely strike me as ethical, let alone, can it be legal? The 
real icing on the cake is that without a formal warning/announcement sent to 
the affected users, how would you even know that this would be an issue? R
   ealistically, would a user of a perpetual license go to the vendor's website 
to look specifically for an announcement because you just were wondering if you 
were going to lose functionality in your application?

Adobe keeps putting nail after nail into the coffins of some of its most loyal 
users (I have been a Framemaker user since 1996) and it's for reasons such as 
this that I have recommended MadCap Flare or other vendor products for my most 
recent client projects.

Does anybody from Adobe care to comment about this? As an IC that is 
semi-retired and that is on a tight budget, having to upgrade to a subscription 
license just to get the most basic of functionality that I thought that I 
should always have because I purchased a PERPETUAL license is unfathomable to 
me and not remotely financially feasible and several other users w/ whom I have 
spoken.

Thanks!

TVB


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Re: [Framers] Numbered List Issue (Trying fixes on Monday)

[Craig, Alison GLI/CA]

Thanks.

I'll try the fixes I've been given on Monday

Alison 


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You have to use a fundamentally different approach.

Explicitly declare the whole numbering scheme for your nested lists (2, in this 
example):
Level 1 = N+, A0
Level 2 = N, A+

Use your procedure-introduction heading to reset those numbering lists. Yes, a 
heading can have a numbering scheme, vidilicit:
N=0
A=0

So you never need a 'first number' style. Dumbest idea that the intern at Adobe 
ever came up with. (That intern might be a VP of development, now, so... Ooops!)

Bonus: conversation to DITA will be easier without an artificial/superfluous 
reset style.

HTH. I'm not at a keyboard, and I've been out of FM for yonks.
But that approach is right.

David

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Date: 3/30/23 19:29 (GMT-05:00)
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Subject: [Framers] Numbered List Issue

Win 10 with FrameMaker 20 (not the latest Frame version as my company doesn't 
allow updates as they are released).

I'm sure the answer to this is easy, but I can't figure it out.

I have a list of numbered instructions. Within that list is an alpha sub-list 
under one of the instructions.

When I finish the last alpha sub-list entry and revert to the numbered 
instruction list, the number continues counting from the last alpha bullet, not 
the previous numbered instruction.

For example:

1.
2.
3.
 a)
 b)
 c)
 d)
5.

Where "5" should actually be "4".

The first numbered and alpha list steps have the following auto-numbering 
setups:
.\t
.\t

Second and subsequent numbered and alpha list steps have the following 
auto-numbering setups:
.\t
.\t

What am I doing wrong?

Alison

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[Framers] Working again: https://tracker.adobe.com/#/home

[Craig, Alison GLI/CA]

Just an FYI that the site is working again this morning.

https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-12731




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[Framers] https://tracker.adobe.com/#/home Not Working

[Craig, Alison GLI/CA]

Does anyone have any idea how to go about reporting problems with 
https://tracker.adobe.com/#/home?

When I log in, it tells me that Issues Created and Issues Commented are both 
zero-which is just not true.

And when I go to https://tracker.adobe.com/#/search the "Loading form" message 
never goes away.

I get the same "Loading form" issue whether I'm logged in or not and it's the 
same on both my work and home PC.

This worked fine on Friday (I even got an update from the system when a 
Comment-from a member of this list-was added to a new issue I'd just created).

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[Framers] Feature Request "FRMAKER-12731" (Add Custom Colours to Variables Option)

[Craig, Alison GLI/CA]

I've added a feature request to Adobe's site.

Please comment, refine or whatever, and vote: 
https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-12731

Alison


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Re: [Framers] [EXTERNAL] Re: Variable Preferences - custome colurs available?

[Craig, Alison GLI/CA]

I’m working with IT in Austria.

Turns out they’ve put a “stop”” on updates past a certain point (they take 
security very seriously—which I like).

They’re forwarding the matter to the IT software team to look at allowing an 
update to FM2022. That will require them to run their security process on it, 
so even if they agree, it will take a little while.

Sigh…

Alison

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On 31 Jan 2023 at 22: 44, Craig, Alison GLI/CA wrote: > This doesn't help me as 
I don't have a "Variables" option in > "Preferences". > > But just last week I 
updated FrameMaker to the latest version so I'm >
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On 31 Jan 2023 at 22:44, Craig, Alison GLI/CA wrote:
> This doesn't help me as I don't have a "Variables" option in
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> But just last week I updated FrameMaker to the latest version so I'm
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Have You updated to the lastest version of FM-16 aka 2020?
There is no such thing as coloured variable there.
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Re: [Framers] Silicon Prairie Software

[Craig, Alison GLI/CA]

Hmmm.

Now I have to investigate why neither I nor my local IT leader can get to that 
site.

Alison 


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Seems to be alive and well according to this site - 
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Subject: [Framers] Silicon Prairie Software

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Re: [Framers] Variable Preferences - custom colurs available?

[Craig, Alison GLI/CA]

Hi Sue:

I've discovered it's *supposed* to be there - but I don't have the Variables 
option even though I did a complete update last week.

I'm working  with IT to see if there's something special about our 
subscription. But it may take a while as I have to work with the office in 
Austria while I am in BC, Canada.

Alison 

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Hi Alison

It is under Edit>Preferences>Variables.

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[Framers] Silicon Prairie Software

[Craig, Alison GLI/CA]

Does anyone know what's happened to Silicon Prairie Software 
(www.siliconprairiesoftware.com)?

The website now leads to a dead end.

I can't find anything on the web to it's been shut down.


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Re: [Framers] Variable Preferences - custome colurs available?

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This doesn't help me as I don't have a "Variables" option in "Preferences".

But just last week I updated FrameMaker to the latest version so I'm not sure 
why the option is missing.

If I find out anything, I'll let people know.

Alison 


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Subject: RE: [Framers] Variable Preferences - custome colurs available?

I found (finally) a 2 minute demo - and it shows how to choose a colour: 

https://helpx.adobe.com/ca/framemaker/tutorials/highlighting-variables-on-a-page-video.html
 


Alison


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Ditto about the feature!

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Re: [Framers] Variable Preferences - custome colurs available?

[Craig, Alison GLI/CA]

I found (finally) a 2 minute demo - and it shows how to choose a colour: 

https://helpx.adobe.com/ca/framemaker/tutorials/highlighting-variables-on-a-page-video.html
 


Alison


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> I can't shed any light on the feature's operation, but I would like to 
> ask where I can find this option within the program.
> 
> (I was the one who entered the feature request into Adobe's system and 
> was kept updated as it progressed through the development phase - but 
> I've never been able to find it, or find something on the web to 
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> Sue
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 10 won't run on Windows 11

[Craig, Alison GLI/CA]

I recently updated to the latest version of Frame and am running Win10.

No problems at all - but I bet I wouldn't get any support from Adobe if an 
issue crops up.

Alison 

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Hi Mike:

My interpretation of this page is that anything from FrameMaker Summer 2020 
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker crashes

[Craig, Alison GLI/CA]

I don't get this type of freeze/crash, but I do get regular crashes (latest 
version of Frame using the (hated) subscription model).

My system is significantly better than what Adobe requires, but if I'm going to 
have a book open, then I restart 3-4 times a day if Frame is in heavy rotation 
(I still work with MS Word as well).

I've found that restarting at least once during the day and then when I finish 
my day is a great precaution for Creative Cloud programs as well-to the point 
where I almost always restart at lunch time and at the end of the day. 

My experience is that the more complex the program, the bigger the memory leaks 
appear to be (regardless of who wrote the software).


Alison
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The Windows memory leak problem has been longstanding. We used to have to 
restart FrameMaker at least once a day (and reboot once a day, too) while the 
SUN workstations would run without rebooting for months. I don't think it 
trusting Windows beyond a day is sensible. Shut down at night and start fresh 
in the morning; it's Windows!

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I have the very latest version of FrameMaker (Windows) and it still, like 
earlier versions, freezes after a few days of use, unpredictably, with a 
botched-up display (see example below) and no responsiveness. I have to kill 
the process with the Task Manager, get rid of *.lck files, get rid of the *auto 
files (or rename them, saving the originals just in case into another 
directory), restart the whole thing, check  manually that the chapters are in 
the right state - all tedious for a 40-chapter book.



It's really bizarre that after all these years, in a product with the Adobe 
label, there are still such crashes.



Does anyone know any way to present them from happening? I guess exiting after 
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Re: [Framers] Insert Manual Line Break in a Variable?

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Thanks for the idea Sue, but I should have been more clear with my "too wide" 
comment.

For this particular example, "too wide" is an esthetic issue, not an actual 
space issue (although there will be other titles that will be *physically* too 
long).

Alison 

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Have you tried using non-breaking spaces to join all the words after where the 
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Subject: [Framers] Insert Manual Line Break in a Variable?

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Can  you insert a manual line break in a Variable? If so, how?

Example Variable: "Electrolyser (E-Series: E30-E1000)".

I want to control where the Variable breaks to wrap it to the next line (it's 
part of a right-aligned title that is too wide for the page).

I looked in the Frame manual, but the term "manual line break" only occurs a 
handful of times and none of them are relevant.

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Re: [Framers] OT: Acrobat Stand-alone

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Thanks


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Hi Alison,

By "stand-alone" do you mean a perpetual -- that is, non-subscription -- 
license? Yes, it is still possible, but Adobe does not make it easy to find the 
option on its website. (Clearly, they'd rather you buy the subscription 
version.) Here are some links:

Confirmation that such a thing exists: 

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A page with all the purchase options. "Acrobat Pro 2020" and "Acrobat Standard 
2020" are the perpetual license versions: 

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Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Framers] OT: Acrobat Stand-alone

This is off-topic, but has Adobe suddenly moved Acrobat to the SAAS model 
only-without the option to buy a stand-alone version?

I bought a stand-alone version 2 years ago, but the members of my husband's 
Indexing List can't find this option now.

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Re: [Framers] Insert Manual Line Break in a Variable?

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Refer to Appendix B of the Framemaker manual (with a title like "Typing in 
Dialog Boxes") for a fairly complete list of the "escape" codes that allow you 
to specify special characters in places like dialog boxes and variable 
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I am not sure this got answered, but you can use \r in a variable to force a 
page break.

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Subject: [Framers] Insert Manual Line Break in a Variable?

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Can  you insert a manual line break in a Variable? If so, how?

Example Variable: "Electrolyser (E-Series: E30-E1000)".

I want to control where the Variable breaks to wrap it to the next line (it's 
part of a right-aligned title that is too wide for the page).

I looked in the Frame manual, but the term "manual line break" only occurs a 
handful of times and none of them are relevant.

Alison


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[Framers] Insert Manual Line Break in a Variable?

[Craig, Alison GLI/CA]

WIN 10 Enterprise, Frame 2020


Can  you insert a manual line break in a Variable? If so, how?

Example Variable: "Electrolyser (E-Series: E30-E1000)".

I want to control where the Variable breaks to wrap it to the next line (it's 
part of a right-aligned title that is too wide for the page).

I looked in the Frame manual, but the term "manual line break" only occurs a 
handful of times and none of them are relevant.

Alison


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Re: [Framers] [EXTERNAL] Re: Track Text Edit no longer in colour

[Craig, Alison GLI/CA]

Hi Winifred:

I did several restarts before I sent in my question without having any luck.

At first it was in one book, then more than one. And now everything is fine.

I hate what I call “cosmic occurrences” as you can never solve them but they 
aren’t necessarily a one-time thing.

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Hi, I think that I experienced this sometime as well. In my case it went away 
after a restart. Do you notice this in all your files? Existing ones and new 
ones? The show and hide settings of your conditions do not affect the view of 
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Hi,

I think that I experienced this sometime as well. In my case it went away after 
a restart.

Do you notice this in all your files? Existing ones and new ones?
The show and hide settings of your conditions do not affect the view of track 
text edits.

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Am 23.09.2022 09:04 schrieb Klaus Daube mailto:kl...@daube.ch>>:

On 22 Sep 2022 at 17:44, Craig, Alison GLI/CA wrote:

> I know I must be missing something simple, but suddenly, my "track text
> edit" text will only show up in black (the default font colour). And
> deleting something, even when enabled, simply deletes the text.
> Is there a setting I could have mistakenly reconfigured?

Have You checked View > Show Condition Indicators?

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Re: [Framers] [EXTERNAL] Re: Track Text Edit no longer in colour

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That was one of the first things I did, thanks.


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On 22 Sep 2022 at 17: 44, Craig, Alison GLI/CA wrote: > I know I must be 
missing something simple, but suddenly, my "track text > edit" text will only 
show up in black (the default font colour). And > deleting something, even
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On 22 Sep 2022 at 17:44, Craig, Alison GLI/CA wrote:
> I know I must be missing something simple, but suddenly, my "track text
> edit" text will only show up in black (the default font colour). And
> deleting something, even when enabled, simply deletes the text.
> Is there a setting I could have mistakenly reconfigured?
Have You checked View > Show Condition Indicators?
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[Framers] Track Text Edit no longer in colour

[Craig, Alison GLI/CA]

Win 10 Pro, FM 2020

I know I must be missing something simple, but suddenly, my "track text edit" 
text will only show up in black (the default font colour). And deleting 
something, even when enabled, simply deletes the text.

Is there a setting I could have mistakenly reconfigured?

Alison


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[Framers] Updating Para Tag Language in a Translated FM Book

[Craig, Alison GLI/CA]

Win 10 Pro, FM 2020

I've just received my MIF files back from the translators (English to German) 
and all the Para Tag formats still have English (Canada) set as the Language.

Is there a simple way to reset them all to German  - Germany (2006 Reform)?

Alison

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Re: [Framers] Including a non-breaking hyphen in a variable

[Craig, Alison GLI/CA]

Thanks! 

Alison 



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Hi Alison,

This is described in the appendix in the section "Typing in dialog boxes".
For a non-breaking hyphen enter: \+

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Subject: [Framers] Including a non-breaking hyphen in a variable

Windows 10
FrameMaker subscription (fully updated).

We use a project number format to identify our custom projects (eg, G19-6820, 
H21-2500, etc).

I always turn the project numbers into variables but I can't figure out to make 
the hyphen into a non-breaking version when I create the variable.

I know it has something to do with a backslash (\), but I'm not sure what else 
is involved.


Alison
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Re: [Framers] Contents of Framers digest... Why so many

[Craig, Alison GLI/CA]

I assume most (all) open quickly/immediately because I don't have any 
irritations about it.

I tried to remove all the tags and Acrobat went away and never came back.

And I did a reinstall of my single-license Acrobat Pro 2017 in early August 
when we upended IT and all every computer in the company was reimaged.

Alison 
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>I have the (unusably) "slow" problem.
>David: Please share if you have an Acrobat setting tweaked in a way that
most of us don't...
>Alison

Just the default install. 

Sometimes it's good to uninstall and reinstall Acrobat. I notice it can get
bloated with incremental updates. 

Just curious...
How long does it take to open just Acrobat with no PDF vs double-clicking a
file?

Dave

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Re: [Framers] Contents of Framers digest... Why so many

[Craig, Alison GLI/CA]

I have the (unusably) "slow" problem.

David: Please share if you have an Acrobat setting tweaked in a way that most 
of us don't...

Alison 

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I downloaded in about 2 seconds and opened it in Acrobat Pro in about 3
seconds.

Dave Creamer
IDEAS Training

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The FM PDF help file is almost unusable in the current version because of
long loading and scrolling times.
If you have the full Acrobat version, use this workaround: remove all PDF
tags and scrolling, loading and searching etc. works like a charm.


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Re: [Framers] Why so many of us feel the way we do about Adobe

[Craig, Alison GLI/CA]

But how many people actually bought maintenance? 

And how many writers or employers updated every time a new version was 
released? 

This was - and is - an expensive piece of software with absolutely terrible 
support - especially when you consider that almost every installation and/or 
authorisation issue is caused by Adobe?

Alison 

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The current $360 annual subscription price is lower than the old
annual maintenance charge, which was 50% of the cost for a new
license.

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 12:27 AM Shmuel Wolfson  wrote:
>
> ... I think when Adobe charged less for upgrades people had more tolerance
> for Adobe not fixing bugs. ...
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 vs 2019

[Craig, Alison GLI/CA]

Absolutely the LSP should return the finished product using the same software 
version.

I would make a (nice) complaint so that this doesn't happen again - or to other 
clients.

Alison 


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Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 vs 2019

Are you saying that the translator used an as-yet unreleased version?
Possibly an NDA violation?

Is the secret download location a pre-release repository?

Shouldn't the translator return a client's project in the same release it
was submitted, or in MIF, to maintain compatibility?

On Thu, Oct 14, 2021, 12:28 PM  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I was using FM 2019 sporadically. I received files back from a translator
> in
> a version of FM I could not open. Notpad showed it was FM 16, which I found
> was 2020.
>
>
>
> I was never notified by Adobe about the new version, any upgrade, etc.,
> despite being subscribed. That was a bit annoying.
>
>
>
> Anyway, after a lengthy but successful support call, I was shown a secret
> URL where I could get this new version of FrameMaker, downloaded it, and
> installed it.
>
>
>
> The icon looks the same as FM 2019. The new version self-identifies as
> version 16, not 2020. I don't see any obvious changes off the bat. Anyone
> have any idea what the new changes to FM 2020 are, other than 2019 cannot
> open 2020 files?
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Sean
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Re: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe users "feel" the way we do about Adobe

[Craig, Alison GLI/CA]

IMO, Adobe treats us as open wallets from which to extract more and more money 
- but they deal only reluctantly with our support issues (you have to be *very* 
persistent) and (almost) never fix the actual problem. (How many of you have 
searched the web for an "Adobe solution" and come across a bunch of forums with 
reams of the same complaint as yours, and the complaints date back 5, 7, 12 or 
more years?)

I've also had the "unhelpful and/or hours-on-hold support" issue with other 
products (Creative Suite, anyone?) and don't get me started on the dog poo they 
call "Adobe Digital Editions", which they refuse to fix and also refuse to 
support. Yes, I know ADE is free, but do it right or don't do it at all. 

Alison


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Subject: Re: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe users 
"feel" the way we do about Adobe

Well, I had Frame 7 for ages and ages, and used to see all the stories on
forums, so never moved till we got Windows 10 and then went straight to
frame 2015, so did not encounter these issues.

Now I am in a place which is not using Frame

Caroline Tabach

On Wed, 13 Oct 2021, 23:17 ,  wrote:

> Yea, pretty much. . . I figured after the installation fiascos that
> started with the first attempt at the Technical Communication Suite (TCS,
> 2009 - remember that!), Adobe had to catch on fast about this issue, but
> apparently that has not been the case. . . it was horrible then and has
> stayed just as horrible now. . . at the time, I remember that I referred to
> TCS as "Totally Cr*ppy Software.)
>
> I was an early adopter, and learned fast NOT to be in the case of Adobe. .
> . that hosed my system so badly that I had to basically take it down to
> bare metal and set everything up from scratch again and I was not the only
> one who suffered such a fate. . .
>
> Tammy Van Boening
> Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
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>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers  > bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On
> > Behalf Of Peter Gold
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 1:34 PM
> > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe
> > users "feel" the way we do about Adobe
> >
> > Egad, Tammy! Are you saying, "At least it hasn't gotten worse?" :)
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 2:23 PM 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I just remember a conversation that I had with Dov many years ago when
> > > I was still attending conferences and even back then, I was lamenting
> > > about all that Adobe could do so wrong when it came to
> > > installing/reinstalling/uninstalling and Dov's comment to me was that
> > > a gentleman at the sister conference had commented to Dov "When in the
> > > H*LL is Adobe going to stop screwing up my systems!!!"
> > >
> > > Even after 20+ years of this, nothing has apparently changed and that
> > > is sad.
> > >
> > > TVB
> > >
> > >
> > > Tammy Van Boening
> > > Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
> > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.spectrumwritingllc.com__;!!Oq50-tQ!4YeNP0FWmIjoppPuC6df0zc9rQPfVoaiTMJ-jXcUS-UBlYEMRSBcfhP1w2ORHqEap0GTOUFa$
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Framers  > > > bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On
> > > > Behalf Of A Craig
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 12:06 PM
> > > > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker, software.
> > > > 
> > > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe
> > > > users "feel" the way we do about Adobe
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I wholeheartedly agree — except, sadly, I'm not semi-retired.
> > > >
> > > > Alison
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com
> > > > To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker, software."
> > > > 
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, 12 October, 2021 15:55:26
> > > > Subject: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe
> > > > users "feel" the way we do about Adobe
> > > >
> > > > Because every single solitary time that I have to
> > > > uninstall/reinstall an
> > > Adobe
> > > > app., I hold my breath to see what kind of friggin' rabbit hole
> > > > Adobe
> > > takes me
> > > > down and yep, it pulled a doozy on me this week, and thanks to
> > > > Adobe, I
> > > lost
> > > > a good 2 hours' worth of work to get my system back up to 'snuff.
> > > >
> > > > I can give details if interested, but I just wanted to chime in to
> > > > the
> > > thread
> > > > from a few weeks ago, where someone stated that they feel that Adobe
> > > > hates their customers. . . well, yea, I understand 

Re: [Framers] Maker.ini - Language Setting Question

[Craig, Alison GLI/CA]

I've been given a way to control the INI file so I won't bug IT for more (with 
the re-imaging, we no longer have "Admin Privileges" on our own PCs).

I just need to know how to adjust maker.ini from US English to Canadian English.



[Frame]
- Generic information -
Language=USEnglish




Alison Craig 
Technical Writer, Engineering, Greenlight Innovation 
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==

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
 On 
Behalf Of Peter Gold
Sent: Thursday, September 9, 2021 2:42 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: Re: [Framers] Maker.ini - Language Setting Question

If the offer of a refreshment treat of the IT tech's choice, doesn't earn
you the favor of gift copies of the old ini files, try creatively searching
Google.

There are some good FM resources in the larger world.

It would help the IT tech immensely if you provide them the full ini file
paths.

HTH

On Thu, Sep 9, 2021, 3:44 PM Craig, Alison GLI/CA <
acr...@greenlightinnovation.com> wrote:

> That would be great...
>
> But they are so swamped with issues that I won't ask (the changeover has
> been massive).
>
>
>
> Alison Craig
> Technical Writer, Engineering, Greenlight Innovation
> T  +1 604 676 4000, Ext 160 F  +1 604 676 4111 W
> greenlightinnovation.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers  greenlightinnovation@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of Peter Gold
> Sent: Thursday, September 9, 2021 12:16 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Maker.ini - Language Setting Question
>
> Perhaps IT has a backup of the previous image?
>
> On Thu, Sep 9, 2021, 12:54 PM A Craig  wrote:
>
> >
> > Win 10
> > FrameMaker: Monthly subscription
> >
> >
> > During a recent (massive) IT update, all our computers were re-imaged.
> > Unfortunately, I forgot to grab a copy of maker.ini for use after the
> "big
> > change".
> >
> > Also unfortunately, I cannot remember the exact wording to reset the
> > maker.ini language to Canadian English from "USEnglish" (see below). I've
> > tried a couple of things but I'm getting a message that says:
> >
> > "FrameMaker cannot initialize its dictionaries. Either the
> > LanguageDir entry specified in the initialization file is missing
> > or incorrect, or the files in the LanguageDir are missing or
> > currupted,"
> >
> >
> > Back when I installed FrameMaker this past spring, I know I edited
> > maker.ini to use Canadian English and it worked just fine.
> >
> > What am I doing wrong?
> >
> > Alison
> >
> >
> >
> > [Frame]
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Re: [Framers] Maker.ini - Language Setting Question

[Craig, Alison GLI/CA]

That would be great...

But they are so swamped with issues that I won't ask (the changeover has been 
massive).



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Subject: Re: [Framers] Maker.ini - Language Setting Question

Perhaps IT has a backup of the previous image?

On Thu, Sep 9, 2021, 12:54 PM A Craig  wrote:

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> Win 10
> FrameMaker: Monthly subscription
>
>
> During a recent (massive) IT update, all our computers were re-imaged.
> Unfortunately, I forgot to grab a copy of maker.ini for use after the "big
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>
> Also unfortunately, I cannot remember the exact wording to reset the
> maker.ini language to Canadian English from "USEnglish" (see below). I've
> tried a couple of things but I'm getting a message that says:
>
> "FrameMaker cannot initialize its dictionaries. Either the
> LanguageDir entry specified in the initialization file is missing
> or incorrect, or the files in the LanguageDir are missing or
> currupted,"
>
>
> Back when I installed FrameMaker this past spring, I know I edited
> maker.ini to use Canadian English and it worked just fine.
>
> What am I doing wrong?
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Re: [Framers] Table Style: Including a Minimum Row Height

[Craig, Alison GLI/CA]

I was in touch with Silicon Prairie when this issue first came up in the Spring 
and was provided with as much detail as they could give me to pass along to IT. 

It's just a matter of waiting my turn in the (extremely long) queue at this 
point.

Alison 

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Subject: Re: [Framers] Table Style: Including a Minimum Row Height

Maybe  Silicon Prairie can provide certifications of some kind that would
be useful to your IT folks.

OTOH, consider saving correctly-formatted tables in a reference library
document, or on a reference page, where you can copy them from.

On Mon, Aug 30, 2021, 3:17 PM A Craig  wrote:

>
> I'd love to use several Silicon Prairie plug-ins, but my request is stuck
> with International IT where they have to assess the plug-ins for security
> risks.
>
> It's already been there at least 4 months and is likely to take several
> more to get an answer.
>
> Fingers crossed.
>
> Alison
>
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> From: "Lin Sims" 
> To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker, software." <
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> Sent: Monday, 30 August, 2021 11:40:28
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Table Style: Including a Minimum Row Height
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> 
>
> Nope. There's no place on the table designer to do that, and when I
> changed
> the row heights on a table and updated the style, it still came in with
> the
> standard 0/14 for minimum and maximum.
>
> I've found the Autotext plugin from Silicon Prairie to be a great tool for
> things like table formats I use all the time. It's pretty cheap and worth
> the effort of setting up.
>
> On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 2:29 PM A Craig  wrote:
>
> >
> > Is there a way to set the minimum Row Height in a Table style?
> >
> > Every time I add a table using my "General" style (and I have lots of
> > them), I have to manually set the minimum Row Height to 5.5.
> >
> > Is there a way to automate this setting by somehow including it in the
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Re: [Framers] Table Style: Including a Minimum Row Height

[Craig, Alison GLI/CA]

Thanks everyone.

Alison 

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Subject: Re: [Framers] Table Style: Including a Minimum Row Height

You can also put formatted templates for tables on a reference page so that the 
templates will travel with each file. And each time you create a new chapter 
file, just import the reference pages from a file that has the table templates.

-FR


From: Framers  on 
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Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 5:02 PM
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Table Style: Including a Minimum Row Height

Oh, bloody hell. I know it's necessary, but what a PITA.

Well, what you could do is just create a separate FM document with tables
set up the way you want and do a C That's pretty much what Autotext
does, but it lets you add them as menu items so you don't have to go
looking for them.

On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 4:17 PM A Craig  wrote:

>
> I'd love to use several Silicon Prairie plug-ins, but my request is stuck
> with International IT where they have to assess the plug-ins for security
> risks.
>
> It's already been there at least 4 months and is likely to take several
> more to get an answer.
>
> Fingers crossed.
>
> Alison
>
>
> From: "Lin Sims" 
> To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker, software." <
> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Sent: Monday, 30 August, 2021 11:40:28
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Table Style: Including a Minimum Row Height
>
> 
>
> Nope. There's no place on the table designer to do that, and when I
> changed
> the row heights on a table and updated the style, it still came in with
> the
> standard 0/14 for minimum and maximum.
>
> I've found the Autotext plugin from Silicon Prairie to be a great tool for
> things like table formats I use all the time. It's pretty cheap and worth
> the effort of setting up.
>
> On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 2:29 PM A Craig  wrote:
>
> >
> > Is there a way to set the minimum Row Height in a Table style?
> >
> > Every time I add a table using my "General" style (and I have lots of
> > them), I have to manually set the minimum Row Height to 5.5.
> >
> > Is there a way to automate this setting by somehow including it in the
> > Table style?
> >
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Re: [Framers] Table and Figure Numbering

[Craig, Alison GLI/CA]

Not being a Star Trek fan, I would never think in those terms - but I'm glad I 
could enlighten you (albeit accidently). 

;-

Alison 


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Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2021 3:04 PM
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Table and Figure Numbering

You're absolutely correct! Except that tables and figures aren't numbered!
The paragraphs that are used by tables as their titles, have numbering
properties. Figures have no numbering properties, but the paragraphs in
which figure frames are anchored do have those properties.

So, for all Vulcans, and others who share Spock-ian mindsets, as I do, it
makes perfect logical sense: If you view a FM document's text flow as a
family tree, a genome, a stream of paragraphs whose formats have many
properties that are shared among the relatives and descendents, that
comprise the document's behaviors, it makes sense.

Until I started responding to your raising the issue this way, I never paid
attention to why FM made sense to me over all these years. Thanks for the
inspiration for me to clarify explicitly what I've just been doing
intuitively for so long. Really! Of course, now, if I stay consciously
aware of all this, it could be paralyzing when I try to write, like looking
down while on a tightrope. ;)



On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 1:39 PM Craig, Alison GLI/CA <
acr...@greenlightinnovation.com> wrote:

> Thanks Lynne.
>
> It would never have occurred to me that Paragraph numbering controlled
> sequential Table/Figure numbering.
>
> Alison
>
>
> Alison Craig
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> From: Framers  greenlightinnovation@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of Lynne A. Price
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2021 11:10 AM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Table and Figure Numbering
>
> Alison,
>
>  If there are chapters or appendices with no tables or figures, you
> still need to set Paragraph numbering to Continue Numbering from
> Previous Paragraph in Book. If you leave the default setting in those
> chapters, they will start the numbering over. Those chapters will look
> fine, but the first one that does have a table will continue from the
> preceding chapter, not the preceding chapter with tables.
>
>  --Lynne
>
> On 8/26/2021 10:51 AM, A Craig wrote:
> > I assume I am missing something really simple, but I can't get the Table
> and Figure numbering in the Appendices to pick up where they left off in
> the Chapters.
> > The first Appendix with a Table / Figure starts over at 1 and thereafter
> the numbers are cumulative within all the Appendices.
> > What setting am I missing?
>
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Re: [Framers] Table and Figure Numbering

[Craig, Alison GLI/CA]

Thanks Lynne.

It would never have occurred to me that Paragraph numbering controlled 
sequential Table/Figure numbering.

Alison 


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-Original Message-
From: Framers 
 On 
Behalf Of Lynne A. Price
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2021 11:10 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Table and Figure Numbering

Alison,

     If there are chapters or appendices with no tables or figures, you 
still need to set Paragraph numbering to Continue Numbering from 
Previous Paragraph in Book. If you leave the default setting in those 
chapters, they will start the numbering over. Those chapters will look 
fine, but the first one that does have a table will continue from the 
preceding chapter, not the preceding chapter with tables.

     --Lynne

On 8/26/2021 10:51 AM, A Craig wrote:
> I assume I am missing something really simple, but I can't get the Table and 
> Figure numbering in the Appendices to pick up where they left off in the 
> Chapters.
> The first Appendix with a Table / Figure starts over at 1 and thereafter the 
> numbers are cumulative within all the Appendices.
> What setting am I missing?

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Re: [Framers] Quality of vector graphics created in FrameMaker is bad in CMYK PDF output

[Craig, Alison GLI/CA]

>> Anyway, the solution for me, at the time, was merely to always use EPS 
>> graphics in my documents, if I ever wanted correct CMYK output.

> Seconded.


Good to know as I am currently moving back into FrameMaker and about to start 
using Visio again (Frame's "callout" functionality leaves much to be desired).

Thanks for sharing!


Alison Craig 
Technical Writer, Greenlight Innovation 



-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Quality of vector graphics created in FrameMaker is bad 
in CMYK PDF output

At 14:36 -0500 21/8/21, Mike Wickham wrote:

>It has been a long time, so I'm not positive that I'm remembering this 
>correctly, but I recall that issue having something to do with either using 
>EMF or WMF files-- that it was a limitation of the file type.

Extraordinary to see this coming around again after all these years. I first 
encountered it in EMF files generated by Visio more than a decade ago: looked 
fine on screen in Visio, but ghastly in export file. (It wasn't FrameMaker's 
fault that time, but the export 'filters' in Visio.)

> I also seem to remember some issues related to CMYK where, if graphics were 
> not EPS files, they would be channeled through Windows GDI and come out as 
> RGB (and maybe processed into EMF or WMF along the way?)

Quite likely, but I cannot comment as I worked on Mac.

> Anyway, the solution for me, at the time, was merely to always use EPS 
> graphics in my documents, if I ever wanted correct CMYK output.

Seconded.

> Again, it has been a while since I worked with FM (FM 10). So forgive me if 
> I'm not remembering this quite right. And I realize that FM support for CMYK 
> may have changed since then.

Also seconded :-)

More power to The Group!

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Steve
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Re: [Framers] Superscript and Subscript

[Craig, Alison GLI/CA]

Craig Ede vs Alison Craig - I can see how that would be confusing... ;-

Alison

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Subject: Re: [Framers] Superscript and Subscript

Bodvar,

I (Craig Ede) was referring to you. You had named the option that I had 
referred to in a much less specific fashion in an earlier email.

Thanks.

Craig Ede


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Subject: Re: [Framers] Superscript and Subscript

Alison, are you referring to me? If so, you're welcome, but please confirm.
:-)
Bodvar


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Re: [Framers] Superscript and Subscript

[Craig, Alison GLI/CA]

Thanks! 

Alison Craig 
Technical Writer, Greenlight Innovation 

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Subject: Re: [Framers] Superscript and Subscript

Text options allow you to adjust the location of subscripts and superscripts 
and you can apply globally across all files in a book 

Sent from my iPhone. Pardon the typos.

> On Aug 11, 2021, at 6:03 PM, A Craig  wrote:
> 
> 
> I have a few superscript and a lot of subscript markings in my book. 
> 
> The markings are especially annoying, particularly in tables, as they don't 
> leave enough space above the superscript so the table line above it so it 
> looks crammed into the space. And Frame rearranges the leading for both so 
> there's too much space between the lines - it almost looks like I have 1-1/2 
> line spacing. 
> 
> I'd like to make the super and subscript markings a little lower and higher, 
> respectively, so they are noticeable, but don't muck with table spacing or 
> leading. 
> 
> Is there any place in Frame to control these options? 
> 
> Alison
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Re: [Framers] Superscript and Subscript

[Craig, Alison GLI/CA]

Thanks. 

Alison Craig 
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Superscript and Subscript

Hi Alison,
Are your line spacings set to "Fixed"? If not, I think that would be the 
solution.
Brgds,
Bodvar




fim., 12. ágú. 2021 kl. 00:03 skrifaði A Craig :

>
> I have a few superscript and a lot of subscript markings in my book.
>
> The markings are especially annoying, particularly in tables, as they 
> don't leave enough space above the superscript so the table line above 
> it so it looks crammed into the space. And Frame rearranges the 
> leading for both so there's too much space between the lines - it 
> almost looks like I have 1-1/2 line spacing.
>
> I'd like to make the super and subscript markings a little lower and 
> higher, respectively, so they are noticeable, but don't muck with 
> table spacing or leading.
>
> Is there any place in Frame to control these options?
>
> Alison
>
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Re: [Framers] Superscript and Subscript

[Craig, Alison GLI/CA]

The superscript is too high and the subscript is too low-which is what forces 
the leading change or put the xscript too close to a table row line.

FYI: The red didn't come through.

Thanks, Alison 



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Subject: Re: [Framers] Superscript and Subscript

Alison,

I can't quite tell if you have too much space or not enough space (see red text 
in your message). The only thing I remember is that you can lock the line 
spacing so that these elements that stick up or down don't affect the leading 
at all, but that usually makes things cramped. That option is usually used 
where the designer wants the lines to always line up across a multi-column 
layout.

Craig


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To: framers@lists.frameusers.com 
Subject: [Framers] Superscript and Subscript


I have a few superscript and a lot of subscript markings in my book.

The markings are especially annoying, particularly in tables, as they don't 
leave enough space above the superscript so the table line above it so it looks 
crammed into the space. And Frame rearranges the leading for both so there's 
too much space between the lines - it almost looks like I have 1-1/2 line 
spacing.

I'd like to make the super and subscript markings a little lower and higher, 
respectively, so they are noticeable, but don't muck with table spacing or 
leading.

Is there any place in Frame to control these options?

Alison


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