[Framers] Klaus, Rick, and Scott rock!
Hello, Framers, Just wanted to give a huge thank-you to Klaus Daube. Rick Quatro, and Scott Prentice for all their sharing of knowledge that makes using FrameMaker a joy instead of a frustrating experience. As I noted to the list a few weeks ago, we had been using Frame 7 forever and were going to have to upgrade to the latest version. I was expecting to not like it, but it turns out that I really like the new version. In getting up to speed to see what was new, I had seen Klaus's Compendium that he mentioned in the Framers list and I started reading it. It's fantastic! It mentions all the inside information that only years of using Frame could provide-much better than the official Frame users guide that only gives the basics. The tips and videos mentioned in the compendium are so helpful. I can't believe after using Frame for 30 years, I found out through a link to Rick Quatro's website the answer to something that I never knew (I don't know why I never asked the list about it): why the heck sometimes our books included the GroupTitles IOM tag in the PDF bookmarks and other times it didn't have the tag available to choose. I had dealt with it by setting up a heading for A,B,Cs in the books to be able to include in bookmarks. Today, I found the answer, as noted in Rick's site with attribution to Scott Prentice: http://frameautomation.com/setting-acrobat-bookmarks-for-a-book/#more-88 So a million thanks to Klaus, Rick, Scott, and all the other list members who are willing to put in so much time and effort to help with Frame questions and problems. Your generosity is amazing! Wendy McGovern [Pennsylvania Bar Institute]<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pbi.org%2F=04%7C01%7CTerry.Rodgers%40pabar.org%7C3ec330fe4be349c45f7f08d9a9153b65%7Cc54177158bb34f7bb9dd5c778fa8bc56%7C0%7C0%7C637726730940963206%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000=nKUNBTclzWGsaAksNfCnBC71aV6nW5vUzTihCpdi89o%3D=0> Wendy McGovern Publications Editor | Pennsylvania Bar Institute 5080 Ritter Road, Mechanicsburg, PA 17055 800.932.4637, ext. 6257 www.pbi.org<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pbi.org%2F=04%7C01%7CTerry.Rodgers%40pabar.org%7C3ec330fe4be349c45f7f08d9a9153b65%7Cc54177158bb34f7bb9dd5c778fa8bc56%7C0%7C0%7C637726730940973170%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000=aEZzrUBuGwTGRACY3zCwMdkKs0wL4Eht4hSY0ZXtPRI%3D=0> ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] transitioning from Frame 7 to 2020
Hi, Framers, We are finally going to bite the bullet and upgrade our nice, stable Frame 7 to the newest version. Theoretically, an old version of Frame should have no problems being opened into the newest version. But I have a feeling there may be problems opening some of our really old files because of old graphics and font problems and other miscellaneous weirdnesses. And IT will probably be upgrading us to the new Acrobat version as well. >From what I saw of the installation instructions on the internet, you have to >uninstall the existing Frame in order to install the new version. So my >question is-are there any gotchas to know ahead of time to make sure old Frame >7 files open into the new 2020 version? (I know you list people haven't had >such a large gap in versions as we have.) What happens if the new Frame >refuses to open a file and we don't have the old version to be able to alter >it in some way? Can you change an .fm extension to a .mif extension to try to >open it? I may be worrying too much and it may work just fine; just want to be proactive based on my experience with upgrades screwing up things that used to work. Wendy [Pennsylvania Bar Institute]<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pbi.org%2F=04%7C01%7CTerry.Rodgers%40pabar.org%7C3ec330fe4be349c45f7f08d9a9153b65%7Cc54177158bb34f7bb9dd5c778fa8bc56%7C0%7C0%7C637726730940963206%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000=nKUNBTclzWGsaAksNfCnBC71aV6nW5vUzTihCpdi89o%3D=0> Wendy McGovern Publications Editor | Pennsylvania Bar Institute 5080 Ritter Road, Mechanicsburg, PA 17055 800.932.4637, ext. 6257 www.pbi.org<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pbi.org%2F=04%7C01%7CTerry.Rodgers%40pabar.org%7C3ec330fe4be349c45f7f08d9a9153b65%7Cc54177158bb34f7bb9dd5c778fa8bc56%7C0%7C0%7C637726730940973170%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000=aEZzrUBuGwTGRACY3zCwMdkKs0wL4Eht4hSY0ZXtPRI%3D=0> ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] still can't scroll in old version of Frame
Hi, Framers, Sorry to bother people with a question on an 18-year-old product again, but working with Frame 7.0 was fine until our IT department installed Office 365 and messed up our Frame. I am working on an iMac with OS Mojave, connecting to my work Windows 10 PC through Jump Desktop. I used to be able to scroll with my mouse when we had a certain mouse driver installed (was one of the quirks of that Frame version). We tried FreeWheel and WizMouse (Dennis Hays's suggestion), but nothing is working now. The archives had mentioned a Logitech mouse a long time ago, so I don't know if that's still an option. The fact that I'm on a Mac shouldn't be an issue, should it? (Especially since I was using it with no problem until the IT's change, and it's actually my Windows PC that is running the show anyway.) This is really frustrating. Maybe we should give in and just upgrade. Or it's time for me to retire. [Pennsylvania Bar Institute]<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pbi.org%2F=04%7C01%7CTerry.Rodgers%40pabar.org%7C3ec330fe4be349c45f7f08d9a9153b65%7Cc54177158bb34f7bb9dd5c778fa8bc56%7C0%7C0%7C637726730940963206%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000=nKUNBTclzWGsaAksNfCnBC71aV6nW5vUzTihCpdi89o%3D=0> Wendy McGovern Publications Editor | Pennsylvania Bar Institute 5080 Ritter Road, Mechanicsburg, PA 17055 800.932.4637, ext. 6257 www.pbi.org<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pbi.org%2F=04%7C01%7CTerry.Rodgers%40pabar.org%7C3ec330fe4be349c45f7f08d9a9153b65%7Cc54177158bb34f7bb9dd5c778fa8bc56%7C0%7C0%7C637726730940973170%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000=aEZzrUBuGwTGRACY3zCwMdkKs0wL4Eht4hSY0ZXtPRI%3D=0> ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] Old problem with scrolling in Frame
Hi, Framers, Thanks for the input. The scrolling problem isn't that it is slow or jumps back-it's that the scroll wheel of the mouse won't work at all. I have to go to the scroll bar at the side of the document to scroll. It's only like this in Frame. All my other apps work. I sent Dennis Hays's suggestion to our IT department-maybe that will work. [Pennsylvania Bar Institute]<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pbi.org%2F=04%7C01%7CTerry.Rodgers%40pabar.org%7C3ec330fe4be349c45f7f08d9a9153b65%7Cc54177158bb34f7bb9dd5c778fa8bc56%7C0%7C0%7C637726730940963206%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000=nKUNBTclzWGsaAksNfCnBC71aV6nW5vUzTihCpdi89o%3D=0> Wendy McGovern Publications Editor | Pennsylvania Bar Institute 5080 Ritter Road, Mechanicsburg, PA 17055 800.932.4637, ext. 6257 www.pbi.org<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pbi.org%2F=04%7C01%7CTerry.Rodgers%40pabar.org%7C3ec330fe4be349c45f7f08d9a9153b65%7Cc54177158bb34f7bb9dd5c778fa8bc56%7C0%7C0%7C637726730940973170%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000=aEZzrUBuGwTGRACY3zCwMdkKs0wL4Eht4hSY0ZXtPRI%3D=0> ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] Old problem with scrolling in Frame
Hi, Framers, I am having a problem with my mouse scrolling in Frame. We are still using Frame 7.0 and it has been beautifully stable all these years, with a few quirks like needing a special mouse driver for scrolling. Our IT department just moved us to Office 365, which nuked all my settings and customizations in Frame and other apps (they didn't give anyone warning about it). Now my scrolling in Frame files won't work as it had before the change. If anyone on the list remembers this problem from long ago, can you tell me what worked to fix it? One of our IT people installed FreeWheel but that didn't work. I'm working remotely to a Windows 10 PC through Jump Desktop on a Mac. Hope somebody remembers and I can get it resolved. Not being able to scroll in Frame is driving me crazy! We have been kicking around the idea of upgrading to the latest version of Frame, but have been hesitant. Thoughts, anyone? Wendy McGovern [Pennsylvania Bar Institute]<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pbi.org%2F=04%7C01%7CTerry.Rodgers%40pabar.org%7C3ec330fe4be349c45f7f08d9a9153b65%7Cc54177158bb34f7bb9dd5c778fa8bc56%7C0%7C0%7C637726730940963206%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000=nKUNBTclzWGsaAksNfCnBC71aV6nW5vUzTihCpdi89o%3D=0> Wendy McGovern Publications Editor | Pennsylvania Bar Institute 5080 Ritter Road, Mechanicsburg, PA 17055 800.932.4637, ext. 6257 www.pbi.org<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pbi.org%2F=04%7C01%7CTerry.Rodgers%40pabar.org%7C3ec330fe4be349c45f7f08d9a9153b65%7Cc54177158bb34f7bb9dd5c778fa8bc56%7C0%7C0%7C637726730940973170%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000=aEZzrUBuGwTGRACY3zCwMdkKs0wL4Eht4hSY0ZXtPRI%3D=0> ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Does new FrameMaker actually split footnotes across pages? and SetPrint Qs
I appreciate the feedback for my questions, especially the positive notes from Reng Winfried and Lin Sims about Frame 2020. (It helps to hear that somebody actually does have some good experience with the software.) I would like to try the free trial of the new version but don't know if our IT department has a nonproduction computer that I could put it on that wouldn't screw anything up with our current Frame. Thanks to those who have replied. I did have a good laugh at Peter Gold's note: "When I've had to wrestle with this issue, if there was time, and willingness to cooperate, I'd try to work with the author to re-write or re-order the material." We're dealing with lawyers here-we can barely get them to submit materials in the first place, let alone revise (most of them are volunteer authors, so there is no incentive other than getting their name in the book and having contributed to the book as an expert on the topic). I actually had thought of SetPrint-does anyone know how to get a copy of it? We have just two people now, so that's all we would need. We're on Windows 10, Frame 7.0, using Acrobat X Pro. Does it have to be installed by an Admin or is it simply something we could put in the Frame software folder ourselves? Wendy McGovern [Pennsylvania Bar Institute]<http://www.pbi.org> Wendy McGovern Publications Editor Pennsylvania Bar Institute www.pbi.org<http://www.pbi.org> ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] Does new FrameMaker actually split footnotes across pages?
Hi, Framers! We have been using Frame 7.0 forever and it has always been stable and worked for us, so we never upgraded (especially after hearing complaints from this list about the interface, problems, etc. of subsequent versions). We do have font issues in creating PDFs with the latest Acrobat, where switching printer drivers (we print to Postscript and distill to PDF) can cause slight font differences. Most of the time it doesn't cause any problems, but there have been instances of some bumped text. I think we finally may switch to the latest Frame (will be using unstructured). I looked at the website demo and it looks like the basic product is the same; we just would have to get used to the different UI with its pods. But I couldn't believe they actually have fixed the footnote problem where the footnote bumps to the next page if it won't fit on the same page as its reference number. I'm still a little skeptical, though, whether the new version actually "splits" the footnote like Word does and puts part of the note on the next page or whether the new Frame just moves the whole note to be on the same page as the reference number, leaving a big ugly gap on the page. I'm also worried we'll have to go without IXGEN anymore, as I understand it only works with 32-bit and the new Frame is strictly 64-bit. I love our good ol' Frame, but am tired of worrying about the font changes in PDFing and having to manually wrangle footnotes. Can anyone give me any advice on how good the latest version is? Now that it's subscription only, will we be stuck having to upgrade as new versions come out, whether we want to or not? Wendy McGovern [Pennsylvania Bar Institute]<http://www.pbi.org> Wendy McGovern Publications Editor Pennsylvania Bar Institute 5080 Ritter Rd, Mechanicsburg, PA 17055 (E) wmcgov...@pbi.org<mailto:wmcgov...@pbi.org> (P) 717-620-6257 (P) 800-932-4637, ext. 6257 (F) 717-796-2348 www.pbi.org<http://www.pbi.org> ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] Thanks for input re upgrading Frame
Hello, Framers, Just wanted to thank everyone who replied to my questions about upgrading to Frame 2019. The input from this list is invaluable and is one of the best things about using Frame. Hope everyone is doing okay! Wendy [Pennsylvania Bar Institute]<http://www.pbi.org> Wendy McGovern Publications Editor Pennsylvania Bar Institute 5080 Ritter Rd, Mechanicsburg, PA 17055 (E) wmcgov...@pbi.org<mailto:wmcgov...@pbi.org> (P) 717-620-6257 (P) 800-932-4637, ext. 6257 (F) 717-796-2348 www.pbi.org<http://www.pbi.org> ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] Questions re upgrading Frame from 7.1
Hi, Framers, Apologies for a somewhat long post, but I would really like some input. We are contemplating finally upgrading from our Frame 7.1 (yep, had it for 17 years) to the newest version (Frame 2019). Our version of Frame has been ridiculously stable and its amazing features have served our purposes without having to upgrade over the years. We upgraded our computers to Windows 10 last year, but the 32-bit Frame has worked in that system so far. We do get messages about fonts changing when we change print driver to Adobe for making PDFs, but it hasn't had any ill effects for us. Some background: We do legal books in Frame that use the generated files feature for summary and tables of contents, tables of cases, tables of statutes, and subject matter indexes. Most of our books have extensive footnotes (lawyers love to include footnotes that go on for 7/8ths of a page). We make PDFs of the books as well as send MIF files to a conversion company for EPUBs. We use unstructured Frame and don't need structure for anything. We don't use conditional text for anything. Recently, I had an incidence of Frame files in a book I was working on get corrupted where paragraphs had been bizarrely messed up and lost the work I had done on the files in the last week or so. Another coworker had saved a Frame file to RTF and later couldn't open the Frame file again because it said it didn't recognize the file format. This is leading us to believe that maybe it is finally time for us to bite the bullet and upgrade to be compatible with all the other software out there now. So, some specific questio ns (keeping in mind the unstructured environment): 1. I was going to ask if Frame 2019 allows the old Escape key sequences of Esc-jj and Esc-cc to work, because I saw on the list that they broke those functions in the later versions-but I see from the Frame 2019 manual online that they have restored those functions in 2019. So this functionality works well now? 2. Is Frame ever going to fix the footnotes problem? I've replied to Adobe's feature requests over the years, and they still don't have a fix. 3. Is Frame 2019 stable as far as people using it now can tell? (I've seen some posts here about problems creating PDFs and other things that shouldn't be happening with recent versions of Frame.) 4. There was a small problem with Frame 7.1's ability to use the scroll wheel that needed a special mouse driver that we had to use and we had to reinstall it when we went to Windows 10, but once the driver was in place, it was fixed. I'm assuming Frame 2019 doesn't have any issues like this anymore, right? 5. Another minor problem with our Frame is a glitch where if you hold down the mouse a little too long when selecting something, Frame will crash. Has anyone had this happen with the latest version? 6. Is IXGEN available for the latest Frame? 7. Is Frame to RTF conversion good? We save Frame files to RTF to send to authors for updating their chapters. (People would always need an explanation of why we used the RTF Japanese for the setting.) 8. How do you open old Frame 7 files if you have Frame 2019? The online manual for 2019 says you have to open Frame 7 files as MIF. But in order to change them to MIF, don't you have to convert them from within Frame 7? Can you choose to open them as MIF from 2019 itself? And what about the .book file? Is that preserved if you open all its enclosed files in MIF, or is it an option to save a whole old book as MIF so that generated files are also converted? Would we have to convert all our Frame 7 books to MIF before installing Frame 2019 (or can you have both versions of Frame installed on your computer at the same time?)? And do you have to replace fonts for Unicode ones? 9. Now that Frame has EPUB format as an output, is it good? Is the unstructured version capable of it? Does it involve cleanup to make the EPUB presentable? Are all the links in the Frame file preserved in the EPUB? 10. Finally, what do people think of the subscription model versus buying an outright license (if Adobe even still lets people buy a "forever" license)? I think I remember seeing some panicked user on the list mentioning something about Adobe screwing up their subscription and them not having their Frame functionable anymore. 11. And another finally, seeing some recent posts about problems someone had with the trial version, is there any advice about that? I am on the digest, so if anyone replies, could you please reply to me directly as well as the list? Thanks for any advice you can give. [Pennsylvania Bar Institute]<http://www.pbi.org> Wendy McGovern Publications Editor Pennsylvania Bar Institute 5080 Ritter Rd, Mechanicsburg, PA 17055 (E) wmcgov...@pbi.org<mailto:wmcgov...@pbi.org> (P) 717-620-6257 (P) 800-932-4637, ext. 6257 (F) 717-796-2348 www.pbi.org<http://www.pbi.org> ___ This
Cross-platform CD burning thanks
Thanks to all the people who replied to my question about burning a cross-platform CD from the PC. As it turns out, the question was moot-we burned a CD from a PC and I took it home and tried in on my iMac and it worked perfectly. It's a MacIntel (newer Macs now have Intel chips) with OS X Leopard, so I think that's why it recognized the disk when the old Mac in our office wouldn't. Since our customer base is vastly PC-oriented anyway, I think most of the Mac customers will probably have newer machines and we probably won't have any problems. Thanks once again! Wendy McGovern Publications Editor Pennsylvania Bar Institute 5080 Ritter Road Mechanicsburg, PA 17055-6903 1-800-932-4637, ext. 2257 wmcgov...@pbi.org ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Cross-platform CD burning thanks
Thanks to all the people who replied to my question about burning a cross-platform CD from the PC. As it turns out, the question was moot-we burned a CD from a PC and I took it home and tried in on my iMac and it worked perfectly. It's a MacIntel (newer Macs now have Intel chips) with OS X Leopard, so I think that's why it recognized the disk when the old Mac in our office wouldn't. Since our customer base is vastly PC-oriented anyway, I think most of the Mac customers will probably have newer machines and we probably won't have any problems. Thanks once again! Wendy McGovern Publications Editor Pennsylvania Bar Institute 5080 Ritter Road Mechanicsburg, PA 17055-6903 1-800-932-4637, ext. 2257 wmcgovern at pbi.org
OT: Is there software for burning cross-platform CDs from PC?
Hi, Framers Does anyone know if there is software for burning cross-platform CDs from PCs rather than Macs? We use Frame 7 to make PDF files of our books and do CDs with Acrobat files, a ReadMe simple text file, and sometimes Word and WordPerfect forms files. We used to use an old Mac (OS 8.6) with Toast, but they recently put in a new server and now they can't get the Mac to see the server where our PC files are anymore. Getting a new Mac is not an option. We did try to transfer the files to the Mac by jump drive and burning a CD from the PC, but it wouldn't recognize the disks. Is there a Toast equivalent for the PC that will let us burn cross-platform? We do use only 8.3 naming convention for our files. We have Windows XP, Acrobat 8 Pro. We need to get a book CD out ASAP, so any immediate advice would be welcomed. Thanks! Wendy McGovern Publications Editor Pennsylvania Bar Institute 5080 Ritter Road Mechanicsburg, PA 17055-6903 1-800-932-4637, ext. 2257 wmcgov...@pbi.org ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
OT: Is there software for burning cross-platform CDs from PC?
Hi, Framers Does anyone know if there is software for burning cross-platform CDs from PCs rather than Macs? We use Frame 7 to make PDF files of our books and do CDs with Acrobat files, a ReadMe simple text file, and sometimes Word and WordPerfect forms files. We used to use an old Mac (OS 8.6) with Toast, but they recently put in a new server and now they can't get the Mac to see the server where our PC files are anymore. Getting a new Mac is not an option. We did try to transfer the files to the Mac by jump drive and burning a CD from the PC, but it wouldn't recognize the disks. Is there a Toast equivalent for the PC that will let us burn cross-platform? We do use only 8.3 naming convention for our files. We have Windows XP, Acrobat 8 Pro. We need to get a book CD out ASAP, so any immediate advice would be welcomed. Thanks! Wendy McGovern Publications Editor Pennsylvania Bar Institute 5080 Ritter Road Mechanicsburg, PA 17055-6903 1-800-932-4637, ext. 2257 wmcgovern at pbi.org
Unavailable languages message on one person's computer
Dear Framers We are stumped. One of the people in our department has just started getting a message when trying to open certain files that the file uses unavailable languages and do we want Frame to update the file to open it. We have never gotten a message like this before. I understand the concept of the language setting in the paragraph designer, where you can set it to some language other than US English (which is what we use) to prevent spell checking. My first thought was that some paragraph tag in the file had inadvertently had the language setting changed. The only problem is, the file opens fine on MY computer with no problem and no language message. So, the problem is with my coworker's computer (she can open some other book files just fine-some will open with no problems and others will open with the language message). She tried quitting out of Frame and restarting the computer. Still got the language message on certain files. We use Windows XP, FrameMaker 7.0. Any ideas on why her computer is glitching and mine isn't when opening the same files? And why her computer problems aren't manifested on ALL our Frame files? Wendy McGovern Publications Editor Pennsylvania Bar Institute 5080 Ritter Road Mechanicsburg, PA 17055-6903 1-800-932-4637, ext. 2257 wmcgov...@pbi.org ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Unavailable languages message on one person's computer
Ann, Thank you! That's it. My machine and another coworker's have Nihongo in the list of languages and the other coworkers' Frame software doesn't have that particular language among all the ones listed. The culprit was a stray 2-point paragraph that came in from the author's Microsoft Word file that had Nihongo selected as the language. We didn't notice the blank paragraph since it was so tiny. We have had that happen before with text from Word, where the tiny paragraph is not noticeable until it causes some problem, usually with a keep with next setting. That explains why we had not run across that error message before: Our computers have a long list of languages in our dictionaries, but that specific, oddball Nihongo language was the one that two of our people DIDN'T have and the other two of us DID. Thank you to everyone who replied so quickly! Wendy -Original Message- From: Ann Zdunczyk [mailto:azdunc...@triad.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 11:28 AM To: Wendy McGovern; framers@lists.FrameUsers.com Subject: RE: Unavailable languages message on one person's computer You will get this message if Frame was installed without the additional dictionaries. It looks like on your machine you have the additional dictionaries. Your co-worker did not have the additional dictionaries loaded on their machine. You can reinstall Frame and only pick additional dictionaries be installed. I use to run into this all the time when I worked for ATT/Lucent's translation department and someone else would install the software and forget to add the additional dictionaries. Adding the additional dictionaries does not change the way that FrameMaker works but you will not get this message if someone creates a file on a machine with the additional dictionaries installed. HTH Z ** Ann Zdunczyk President a2z Publishing, Inc. Language Layout, Translation Consulting, Template Creation Phone: (336)922-1271 Fax: (888)523-2028 Cell: (336)456-4493 Cell 2:(336)655-4783 http://www.a2z-pub.com ** -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Wendy McGovern Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:32 To: framers@lists.FrameUsers.com Subject: Unavailable languages message on one person's computer Dear Framers We are stumped. One of the people in our department has just started getting a message when trying to open certain files that the file uses unavailable languages and do we want Frame to update the file to open it. We have never gotten a message like this before. I understand the concept of the language setting in the paragraph designer, where you can set it to some language other than US English (which is what we use) to prevent spell checking. My first thought was that some paragraph tag in the file had inadvertently had the language setting changed. The only problem is, the file opens fine on MY computer with no problem and no language message. So, the problem is with my coworker's computer (she can open some other book files just fine-some will open with no problems and others will open with the language message). She tried quitting out of Frame and restarting the computer. Still got the language message on certain files. We use Windows XP, FrameMaker 7.0. Any ideas on why her computer is glitching and mine isn't when opening the same files? And why her computer problems aren't manifested on ALL our Frame files? Wendy McGovern Publications Editor Pennsylvania Bar Institute 5080 Ritter Road Mechanicsburg, PA 17055-6903 1-800-932-4637, ext. 2257 wmcgov...@pbi.org ___ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Unavailable languages message on one person's computer
Dear Framers We are stumped. One of the people in our department has just started getting a message when trying to open certain files that the file uses unavailable languages and do we want Frame to update the file to open it. We have never gotten a message like this before. I understand the concept of the language setting in the paragraph designer, where you can set it to some language other than US English (which is what we use) to prevent spell checking. My first thought was that some paragraph tag in the file had inadvertently had the language setting changed. The only problem is, the file opens fine on MY computer with no problem and no language message. So, the problem is with my coworker's computer (she can open some other book files just fine-some will open with no problems and others will open with the language message). She tried quitting out of Frame and restarting the computer. Still got the language message on certain files. We use Windows XP, FrameMaker 7.0. Any ideas on why her computer is glitching and mine isn't when opening the same files? And why her computer problems aren't manifested on ALL our Frame files? Wendy McGovern Publications Editor Pennsylvania Bar Institute 5080 Ritter Road Mechanicsburg, PA 17055-6903 1-800-932-4637, ext. 2257 wmcgovern at pbi.org
Unavailable languages message on one person's computer
Ann, Thank you! That's it. My machine and another coworker's have Nihongo in the list of languages and the other coworkers' Frame software doesn't have that particular language among all the ones listed. The culprit was a stray 2-point paragraph that came in from the author's Microsoft Word file that had Nihongo selected as the language. We didn't notice the blank paragraph since it was so tiny. We have had that happen before with text from Word, where the tiny paragraph is not noticeable until it causes some problem, usually with a keep with next setting. That explains why we had not run across that error message before: Our computers have a long list of languages in our dictionaries, but that specific, oddball Nihongo language was the one that two of our people DIDN'T have and the other two of us DID. Thank you to everyone who replied so quickly! Wendy -Original Message- From: Ann Zdunczyk [mailto:azdunc...@triad.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 11:28 AM To: Wendy McGovern; framers at lists.FrameUsers.com Subject: RE: Unavailable languages message on one person's computer You will get this message if Frame was installed without the additional dictionaries. It looks like on your machine you have the additional dictionaries. Your co-worker did not have the additional dictionaries loaded on their machine. You can reinstall Frame and only pick additional dictionaries be installed. I use to run into this all the time when I worked for AT/Lucent's translation department and someone else would install the software and forget to add the additional dictionaries. Adding the additional dictionaries does not change the way that FrameMaker works but you will not get this message if someone creates a file on a machine with the additional dictionaries installed. HTH Z ** Ann Zdunczyk President a2z Publishing, Inc. Language Layout, Translation Consulting, & Template Creation Phone: (336)922-1271 Fax:?? (888)523-2028 Cell:? (336)456-4493 Cell 2:(336)655-4783 http://www.a2z-pub.com ** -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Wendy McGovern Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:32 To: framers at lists.FrameUsers.com Subject: Unavailable languages message on one person's computer Dear Framers We are stumped. One of the people in our department has just started getting a message when trying to open certain files that the file uses unavailable languages and do we want Frame to update the file to open it. We have never gotten a message like this before. I understand the concept of the language setting in the paragraph designer, where you can set it to some language other than US English (which is what we use) to prevent spell checking. My first thought was that some paragraph tag in the file had inadvertently had the language setting changed. The only problem is, the file opens fine on MY computer with no problem and no language message. So, the problem is with my coworker's computer (she can open some other book files just fine-some will open with no problems and others will open with the language message). She tried quitting out of Frame and restarting the computer. Still got the language message on certain files. We use Windows XP, FrameMaker 7.0. Any ideas on why her computer is glitching and mine isn't when opening the same files? And why her computer problems aren't manifested on ALL our Frame files? Wendy McGovern Publications Editor Pennsylvania Bar Institute 5080 Ritter Road Mechanicsburg, PA 17055-6903 1-800-932-4637, ext. 2257 wmcgovern at pbi.org ___
Missing digests vol 38, issues 13, 14, and 16
It's Murphy's Law. The one time I send a question to the list, our e-mail system goes on the fritz and I'm missing the digests that contained my question and replies (although I did get some replies to my regular e-mail address rather than just the digest-thanks to those who replied). I don't know whether the archives make it possible to get entire digests, but I thought it would be easier to just ask some kind Framer to forward me the digests that I am missing. I need Vol. 38, issues 13, 14, and 16. Could someone please send them to my individual e-mail address below, and maybe just send a quick note to the list that you have done so, so that people know that I now have copies of them and I don't get zillions of replies after that? It would be most appreciated. (I will be out the next two weeks, so there is no hurry.) Thanks! Wendy McGovern Publications Editor Pennsylvania Bar Institute 5080 Ritter Road Mechanicsburg, PA 17055-6903 1-800-932-4637, ext. 2257 wmcgov...@pbi.org ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Missing digests vol 38, issues 13, 14, and 16
It's Murphy's Law. The one time I send a question to the list, our e-mail system goes on the fritz and I'm missing the digests that contained my question and replies (although I did get some replies to my regular e-mail address rather than just the digest-thanks to those who replied). I don't know whether the archives make it possible to get entire digests, but I thought it would be easier to just ask some kind Framer to forward me the digests that I am missing. I need Vol. 38, issues 13, 14, and 16. Could someone please send them to my individual e-mail address below, and maybe just send a quick note to the list that you have done so, so that people know that I now have copies of them and I don't get zillions of replies after that? It would be most appreciated. (I will be out the next two weeks, so there is no hurry.) Thanks! Wendy McGovern Publications Editor Pennsylvania Bar Institute 5080 Ritter Road Mechanicsburg, PA 17055-6903 1-800-932-4637, ext. 2257 wmcgovern at pbi.org
How does working with structured Frame differ from regular Frame? (LONG)
Fellow Framers: The dreaded day has come: the powers that be want to go toward a future in publishing in XML. Here's the lowdown: Company: Pennsylvania Bar Institute. We do continuing legal education seminars for lawyers, and also have a publications department , PBI Press, that does legal reference-type books. I am in charge of the editing and production of those books, and we have a small staff that has been working with FrameMaker (regular version, Frame 7) to produce them. Type of product: There are two different types of publications produced right now. For our seminar side of things, we produce a hard-copy book that is printed in-house in our print shop. These are quick-and-dirty books that are put together at the last minute sometimes when the lawyers who write chapters for us get them to us. The book chapters usually come from various authors and until a little while ago had been assembled in hard-copy format with manual pagination and tables of contents typed up by the program secretaries. They now are trying to get all the chapters in electronic form so that they have them for e-pubs, which are online articles we offer for sale on our website. These chapters are in Word or WordPerfect and the secretaries do the tables of contents in Word. The e-pubs are PDFs of these chapters. The PBI Press books, on the other hand, are more formal reference books that are cite checked, copy edited, typeset in FrameMaker, and proofread. We generate tables of contents, indexes of cases, and indexes of statutes with Frame. We have an outside indexer do subject matter indexes, which we then typeset and insert links to each page number by cross-reference so that the next time we update the books, the index will be mostly current and we only have to do an in-house tweaking to add new subject items. For most of our books, we do an accompanying CD-ROM by converting the Frame files to PDFs using Acrobat 8. The company sees the future in single-source publishing, where we will create both print and online versions of books, and eventually new products like PDA-formatted content. Now, the question: What will we have to do differently from the way we produce a book in regular Frame today in order to make it XML if we went to structured Frame? I have seen people on this list ask questions that involve EDDs and DTDs, and, as an English and art major, would rather throw myself under a bus than to have to work with computer programming-looking stuff like that. (No offense to all you techies out there in STC land.) Is structured Frame flexible enough to allow for extremely UNstructured content like we get from lawyers where we have a multiauthor book and one person has structured their chapter one way and others structure it another way, and because of the legal content, it CAN'T be made consistent because that's the way the statutes are? And does it allow for manual workarounds like we do when we get footnotes that take up 6 inches of a page and we must manually break things to keep the footnotes with their references in the text? What level of brainpower is needed for a worker to use structured Frame? It's hard enough as it is to find people who can pick up Frame itself with a level of competence we need (especially at the salaries we give them as a nonprofit). What would a general salary range be for someone to be a desktop publisher/typesetter working with structured Frame? With structured Frame, do you typeset a Frame book and then do something with the EDD/ DTD stuff, or do you have to plan the book with the structural elements from the beginning, and how much extra time does all that other stuff take to do to make it XML? Am I overreacting, and is structured Frame not as much of a horror as I think it's going to be? I'm not quite sure why PDFs, which have been perfectly fine for our electronic publishing to date, are not seen as an adequate delivery medium for the future, Whew! Anyone willing to take a stab at convincing me we need to go with structure in the future? Wendy McGovern Publications Editor Pennsylvania Bar Institute 5080 Ritter Road Mechanicsburg, PA 17055-6903 1-800-932-4637, ext. 2257 wmcgov...@pbi.org ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
How does working with structured Frame differ from regular Frame? (LONG)
Fellow Framers: The dreaded day has come: the powers that be want to go toward a future in publishing in XML. Here's the lowdown: Company: Pennsylvania Bar Institute. We do continuing legal education seminars for lawyers, and also have a publications department , PBI Press, that does legal reference-type books. I am in charge of the editing and production of those books, and we have a small staff that has been working with FrameMaker (regular version, Frame 7) to produce them. Type of product: There are two different types of publications produced right now. For our seminar side of things, we produce a hard-copy book that is printed in-house in our print shop. These are quick-and-dirty books that are put together at the last minute sometimes when the lawyers who write chapters for us get them to us. The book chapters usually come from various authors and until a little while ago had been assembled in hard-copy format with manual pagination and tables of contents typed up by the program secretaries. They now are trying to get all the chapters in electronic form so that they have them for e-pubs, which are online articles we offer for sale on our website. These chapters are in Word or WordPerfect and the secretaries do the tables of contents in Word. The e-pubs are PDFs of these chapters. The PBI Press books, on the other hand, are more formal reference books that are cite checked, copy edited, typeset in FrameMaker, and proofread. We generate tables of contents, indexes of cases, and indexes of statutes with Frame. We have an outside indexer do subject matter indexes, which we then typeset and insert links to each page number by cross-reference so that the next time we update the books, the index will be mostly current and we only have to do an in-house tweaking to add new subject items. For most of our books, we do an accompanying CD-ROM by converting the Frame files to PDFs using Acrobat 8. The company sees the future in single-source publishing, where we will create both print and online versions of books, and eventually new products like PDA-formatted content. Now, the question: What will we have to do differently from the way we produce a book in regular Frame today in order to make it XML if we went to structured Frame? I have seen people on this list ask questions that involve EDDs and DTDs, and, as an English and art major, would rather throw myself under a bus than to have to work with computer programming-looking stuff like that. (No offense to all you techies out there in STC land.) Is structured Frame flexible enough to allow for extremely UNstructured content like we get from lawyers where we have a multiauthor book and one person has structured their chapter one way and others structure it another way, and because of the legal content, it CAN'T be made consistent because that's the way the statutes are? And does it allow for manual workarounds like we do when we get footnotes that take up 6 inches of a page and we must manually break things to keep the footnotes with their references in the text? What level of brainpower is needed for a worker to use structured Frame? It's hard enough as it is to find people who can pick up Frame itself with a level of competence we need (especially at the salaries we give them as a nonprofit). What would a general salary range be for someone to be a desktop publisher/typesetter working with structured Frame? With structured Frame, do you typeset a Frame book and then do something with the EDD/ DTD stuff, or do you have to plan the book with the structural elements from the beginning, and how much extra time does all that other stuff take to do to make it XML? Am I overreacting, and is structured Frame not as much of a horror as I think it's going to be? I'm not quite sure why PDFs, which have been perfectly fine for our electronic publishing to date, are not seen as an adequate delivery medium for the future, Whew! Anyone willing to take a stab at convincing me we need to go with structure in the future? Wendy McGovern Publications Editor Pennsylvania Bar Institute 5080 Ritter Road Mechanicsburg, PA 17055-6903 1-800-932-4637, ext. 2257 wmcgovern at pbi.org
automatically get rid of character tag in text?
Framers: Is there any way to get rid of a character tag automatically? We have a book that had character tags applied to every footnote reference number and would like to change them all to the default font (i.e., remove the tags) without having to highlight each one and change it to Default Para Font in the character catalog window. Using FM 7, Windows XP. Do not have FrameScript. Wendy McGovern Publications Editor Pennsylvania Bar Institute 5080 Ritter Road Mechanicsburg, PA 17055-6903 1-800-932-4637, ext. 2257 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
automatically get rid of character tag in text?
Framers: Is there any way to get rid of a character tag automatically? We have a book that had character tags applied to every footnote reference number and would like to change them all to the default font (i.e., remove the tags) without having to highlight each one and change it to Default Para Font in the character catalog window. Using FM 7, Windows XP. Do not have FrameScript. Wendy McGovern Publications Editor Pennsylvania Bar Institute 5080 Ritter Road Mechanicsburg, PA 17055-6903 1-800-932-4637, ext. 2257 wmcgovern at pbi.org
Frame files won't distill
Help! I have two files of a huge book that refuse to distill to PDF. One is the generated Table of Contents for the book and the other is the subject matter index that has zillions of cross-references to the page numbers of the entries. There are no unresolved cross references in any of the book files, and the rest of the book's files distilled to PDF just fine. The error log for the Table of Contents says [ pdfmark err info: Empty parent stack ]% on page 14 and [ Error: undefined; OffendingCommand: pdfmark; ErrorInfo: StPop ]%% after the last page line. The error log on the subject index has after the line for the last page [ Error: undefined; OffendingCommand: pdfmark; ErrorInfo: _objdef A208898.1 ]%% Is there any listing of error codes somewhere that would let me figure out what these mean so that I can fix the problem? Or is there some way to jump to the problem spots to identify them? I have no clue why these are refusing to PDF. The only time I ever had problems with PDFing was for files that had a graphic that caused a glitch in the file. Neither of the problem files have graphics in them. Working with Frame 7.1 (Windows XP Pro, files on server), Acrobat 5. Wendy McGovern Publications Editor Pennsylvania Bar Institute 5080 Ritter Road Mechanicsburg, PA 17055-6903 1-800-932-4637, ext. 2257 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Frame files won't distill
Help! I have two files of a huge book that refuse to distill to PDF. One is the generated Table of Contents for the book and the other is the subject matter index that has zillions of cross-references to the page numbers of the entries. There are no unresolved cross references in any of the book files, and the rest of the book's files distilled to PDF just fine. The error log for the Table of Contents says [ pdfmark err info: Empty parent stack ]% on page 14 and [ Error: undefined; OffendingCommand: pdfmark; ErrorInfo: StPop ]%% after the last page line. The error log on the subject index has after the line for the last page [ Error: undefined; OffendingCommand: pdfmark; ErrorInfo: _objdef A208898.1 ]%% Is there any listing of error codes somewhere that would let me figure out what these mean so that I can fix the problem? Or is there some way to jump to the problem spots to identify them? I have no clue why these are refusing to PDF. The only time I ever had problems with PDFing was for files that had a graphic that caused a glitch in the file. Neither of the problem files have graphics in them. Working with Frame 7.1 (Windows XP Pro, files on server), Acrobat 5. Wendy McGovern Publications Editor Pennsylvania Bar Institute 5080 Ritter Road Mechanicsburg, PA 17055-6903 1-800-932-4637, ext. 2257 wmcgovern at pbi.org
