Re: PnP problems on install floppy in 4.0-SNAPS from current.freebsd.org

1999-10-13 Thread Doug Rabson

On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, Warner Losh wrote:

 In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Doug 
Rabson writes:
 : Due to the nature of the pnp code, it might be probed as ed1 instead of
 : ed0.
 
 I have a SBC here that has an onboard PNP ne2000 chip on it.  It comes
 up as ed1 because I have ed0 at a wired address.  I don't see ed0 at
 all, and it just works, so I just hacked my rc.conf to use ed1 rather
 than ed0 like I did when it ran 3.3R.
 
 Now for the obligitory tangent:
 Does FreeBSD have the ability to reassign IRQs for PNP devices?  I
 have one that is coming up at IRQ 5, but I have a non-PNP device that
 is at 5, but many other IRQs free.  There is no way in the BIOS to set
 which IRQs are used for PNP and which ones are designated for legacy
 devices.

Right now, one can hack isa_find_irq() to restrict which interrupts it
checks. I have been thinking about using a loader environment variable for
this. One existing problem is that a pci device which doesn't match a
driver does not reserve its irq resource. Fixing that still leaves the
case of an unknown non-pnp isa device though.

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Re: COMMAND_SET ?

1999-10-13 Thread Doug Rabson

On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, Chuck Robey wrote:

 I'm looking at sys/boot/common/pnp.c so I can find out how pnp is handled,
 and I found something called a COMMAND_SET, and I can't figure out what it
 means.  Any takers?

COMMAND_SET is a macro which is used to build the list of commands
supported by the loader. The in-kernel pnp code is in
sys/isa/{pnp.c,pnpparse.c,isa_common.c}.

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Re: How to report problems (was: Request for Flames)

1999-10-13 Thread Michael Lucas

Greg,

Actually, I used your page (or its predecessor, it looks different
now) back when I started.  ;)

I'd like to do something more detailed on each type of problem.
Eventually, I'd like to turn this into a troubleshooting helper for
the most common problems.  But information gathering is the first
step.

Yes, "troubleshooting wizards" might be beneath FreeBSD's target
market, but with the sort of questions we get on -questions -- or even
-hackers -- I think it would be worthwhile.  Anything to slow the
growth of the mailing lists.

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Re: Abit's BP6 and 'lmmon' or 'chm'

1999-10-13 Thread nnd

In [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chris D. 
Faulhaber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, Nickolay Dudorov wrote:
 
  Does anybody successfully use ports/sysutils/{lmmon|chm}
 with the Abit's BP6 motherboard ?
 
  After 'make install'-ing ports and adding
 
 controller smbus0
 controller iicbus0
 controller iicbb0
 controller intpm0
 device smb0 at smbus?
 
 to kernel config file (and config, make depend, make, make install,
 reboot the new kernel) I only receive:
 
 IOCTL: device not configured
 
 from lmmon and chm.
 
 
 This is due to the intpm controller not configuring the motherboards PM
 controller, not because the software.
 
 I emailed Takanori Watanabe a while back concerning this MB.  His thoughts
 were that: 1) He hadn't heard of the driver working in an SMP environment;
 2) It may be due to the controller using an unconfigured ISA interface.

Additional information:

When I remove one of the CPUs and boot UP kernel on the same
motherboard both 'chm' and 'lmmon' starts to work (also showed
values for -5V and -12V looks strange).

So the problems is in driver not working in SMP
system. Are there any (general) hints where to look for
such UP/SMP problems ?

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Re: Abit's BP6 and 'lmmon' or 'chm'

1999-10-13 Thread Takanori Watanabe

In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chris D. 
Faulhaber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

When I remove one of the CPUs and boot UP kernel on the same
motherboard both 'chm' and 'lmmon' starts to work (also showed
values for -5V and -12V looks strange).
Probably the Hardware sensor is not LM78/79 but W83781.

   So the problems is in driver not working in SMP
system. Are there any (general) hints where to look for
such UP/SMP problems ?

I know the problem,but I cannot find out how it could be solved.
The reason is the driver does not catch intrrupt.
Wait a few days. I'll make a patch so that you can use polling 
mode for 'intpm'.

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Re: People getting automatically unsub'ed from -arch

1999-10-13 Thread Andre Oppermann

Brad Knowles wrote:
 
 At 10:11 PM +0200 1999/10/12, Andre Oppermann wrote:
They must be crazy to run a several million recipients
  mailing list with sendmail...
 
 You don't know all the hacks that they made to sendmail to make
 it perform at previously unheard of levels.  ;-)

Preciously unheard levels for sendmail?

Who want's spend weeks or days of sendmail tuning to get a peak
performace of x when it takes ten minutes to download and install qmail
or postfix which delivers that as sustained performance??

 If you want to see some of the ideas that I got from them (and
 others), take a look at the paper I presented at SANE'98 entitled
 "Sendmail Performance Tuning for Large Systems" at
 http://www.shub-internet.org/brad/papers/sendmail-tuning/.

Nice paper! Most of the suggestions are already realized in qmail and
postfix. The best is on page three, "handle at least tens of
thousands messages per day per server"... About a year ago I tested
qmail's performace with two old 486DX100/16MB/2GBIDE and 10BaseT
ethernet. Guess what I was able to pump through them? 300'000 unique
messages of about 3KB in 24 hours. Guess what my current production
server can handle a day (PII-350/256MB/54GBSCSIRAID0+1)? About 2.5
million (too bad I don't have a T3). These numbers include the local
deliveries to the maildir.

 There
 are a number of additional enhancements that they made that I still
 can't talk about, however.

As long as these additional performance enhancements are not public
available I don't care.

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Re: People getting automatically unsub'ed from -arch

1999-10-13 Thread Jonathan M. Bresler


Ben,

Majordomo has this facility, sending periodic reminder
messages; it is the bounces mailing list .  I used it for a couple
months.  The results were less than satisfactory.  Most people stayed
on the bounces mailing list indefinately.  ;(


jmb


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Re: Still waiting for xl driver reports

1999-10-13 Thread Thomas Stromberg

Jim Bloom wrote:
 
 I keep seeing a watchdog timeout with my 3c905B-TX every time the machine
 boots.  It seems to occur after everything has been probed and /etc/rc has
 completed; around the time I get my login banner. I am running the dhcp client
 to get my IP address.  I don't pound on the network very much so I can't tell
 you how performance is.
 
 Jim Bloom

I get the same.. 

dmesg:
--
xl0: 3Com 3c905C-TX Fast Etherlink XL irq 11 at device 14.0 on pci0
xl0: Ethernet address: 00:50:da:07:87:4c
..
sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa0
sio1: type 16550A
sio2: not probed (disabled)
sio3: not probed (disabled)
changing root device to wd0s1a
WARNING: / was not properly dismounted
xl0: watchdog timeout
xl0: promiscuous mode enabled
xl0: watchdog timeout

uname:
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FreeBSD asho.zarathushtra.org 4.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #0: Tue
Oct 12 14:23:39 EDT 1999
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ipfilter no longer in -CURRENT, whats the direction? (off to ipfw?)

1999-10-13 Thread Thomas Stromberg

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/usr.sbin/ipnat/Attic/Makefile

1.2 Sun Oct 10 15:08:35 1999 UTC by peter 
CVS Tags: HEAD
Diffs to 1.1 
FILE REMOVED 

Nuke the old antique copy of ipfilter from the tree.  This is old enough
to be dangerous.  It will better serve us as a port building a KLD,
ala SKIP.


Although a heads up in -CURRENT or -security about this would of been
nice, ye old ipfilter is gone. I definitely cannot disagree with the
fact that it is an antique copy, and it's a shame that no one seems to
be taking care of it in the tree. At least in the past, ipfilter was for
many a much better option then ipfw. Has ipfw improved to the point
where it functions better as a company firewall then ipfilter? (Okay, so
the group  user firewalling is neat, but not really applicable for a
corporate border firewall)

ipfilters website: http://coombs.anu.edu.au/~avalon/ip-filter.html

For why I feel ipfilter is better then ipfw (this post was written back
in December '98, ipfw may have changed greatly since):

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=117538+122112+/usr/local/www/db/text/1998/freebsd-current/19981227.freebsd-current
   
(the big 'wanton atticizing discussion')

A summary of it being:

- Multiplatform. Runs on IRIX, Solaris, Linux. Comes shipped with
FreeBSD, OpenBSD, and NetBSD. Keeps us in sync with the other BSD's. 
- Better logging then ipfw (has ipfw improved? Thats why I switched to
ipfilter in the first place) 

It's a shame that no one seems to want to maintain ipfilter in our tree.
As far as a 'port building kld', I think this may not be the 'smartest'
way, seeing as anyone who is running a serious firewall would disable
kld's immediately anyhow. 

So my question is, what's the direction we're taking here?

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Re: ipfilter no longer in -CURRENT, whats the direction? (off to ipfw?)

1999-10-13 Thread Darren Reed

Well, if someone had of answered my question (to cvs-committers)
about getting an account fixed up on freefall(?) so I could use
cvs again, it might not have been forgotten about for quite so
long.  Maybe I sent the question to the "wrong place", but I
received no answer to even indicate that!  hmpf!

On a conspirital note, I think there are numerous ipfw advocates
within freebsd who hate that ipfilter is better ;-)  Both NetBSD and
OpenBSD ship with it, and if you're serious about security, maybe
you should be using OpenBSD anyway, rather than FreeBSD.

Darren

In some mail from Thomas Stromberg, sie said:
 
 http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/usr.sbin/ipnat/Attic/Makefile
 
 1.2 Sun Oct 10 15:08:35 1999 UTC by peter 
 CVS Tags: HEAD
 Diffs to 1.1 
 FILE REMOVED 
 
 Nuke the old antique copy of ipfilter from the tree.  This is old enough
 to be dangerous.  It will better serve us as a port building a KLD,
 ala SKIP.
 
 
 Although a heads up in -CURRENT or -security about this would of been
 nice, ye old ipfilter is gone. I definitely cannot disagree with the
 fact that it is an antique copy, and it's a shame that no one seems to
 be taking care of it in the tree. At least in the past, ipfilter was for
 many a much better option then ipfw. Has ipfw improved to the point
 where it functions better as a company firewall then ipfilter? (Okay, so
 the group  user firewalling is neat, but not really applicable for a
 corporate border firewall)
 
 ipfilters website: http://coombs.anu.edu.au/~avalon/ip-filter.html
 
 For why I feel ipfilter is better then ipfw (this post was written back
 in December '98, ipfw may have changed greatly since):
 
 
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=117538+122112+/usr/local/www/db/text/1998/freebsd-current/19981227.freebsd-current
   
 (the big 'wanton atticizing discussion')
 
 A summary of it being:
 
 - Multiplatform. Runs on IRIX, Solaris, Linux. Comes shipped with
 FreeBSD, OpenBSD, and NetBSD. Keeps us in sync with the other BSD's. 
 - Better logging then ipfw (has ipfw improved? Thats why I switched to
 ipfilter in the first place) 
 
 It's a shame that no one seems to want to maintain ipfilter in our tree.
 As far as a 'port building kld', I think this may not be the 'smartest'
 way, seeing as anyone who is running a serious firewall would disable
 kld's immediately anyhow. 
 
 So my question is, what's the direction we're taking here?
 
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Re: People getting automatically unsub'ed from -arch

1999-10-13 Thread Brad Knowles

At 4:19 PM +0200 1999/10/13, Andre Oppermann wrote:

 That is something qmail has done since the beginning.

With respect to qmail, I have no knowledge of that.  I do know 
that this feature was available in the first public beta of Postfix. 
It was introduced early in the "alpha" stage of Postfix, which from 
Wietse would be comparable to the late beta, gamma, or even "release" 
stages of software from many other authors.

   I consider qmail and postfix equal, one is stronger
 in one direction whereas the other one is stronger in other aspects.

I am not aware of any advantages that qmail has over Postfix. 
However, I am aware of a number of advantages that I believe Postfix 
has over qmail.  Of course, this is more of that religious issue that 
we should only get into on private e-mail.

I have no intend to "fight" religiously for qmail, the only
 thing I do is pointing out the strong aspects of qmail/ezmlm for
 big lists.

Support for VERPs definitely has its advantages, and I believe 
that this has long since been incorporated into Postfix.

Of course, I could be wrong -- it's been a very long time since I 
did much of anything with it, and I could be mis-remembering this 
feature.

 I would like, but you just said you would (can) not tell me about it...

At the moment, all I can say is that you should keep a very close 
eye on the releases of Sendmail Pro.  I expect these features to be 
incorporated into that code first, then make their way into RFCs, and 
be released as part of the freely available version of sendmail 
shortly thereafter.


Imagine orders of magnitude levels of reduction in the amount of 
traffic that would have to be transmitted to a remote MTA that serves 
more than one customer.

In fact, you could have MTAs distributed all around the world 
that have their own portion of the world that they serve, with very 
small amounts of data (streamed, even) that must be transmitted in 
order to serve the set of customers.

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k4 and pam

1999-10-13 Thread Randy Bush

it seems that, sans warning or UPDATE, pam is now used by k4.  but the
distributed pam.conf has not been hacked to make it obvious how to make
all this work.  is anyone working on this, or should i?

randy


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Re: ipfilter no longer in -CURRENT, whats the direction? (off to ipfw?)

1999-10-13 Thread John Polstra

In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Thomas Stromberg  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 For why I feel ipfilter is better then ipfw (this post was written back
 in December '98, ipfw may have changed greatly since):
 
 
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=117538+122112+/usr/local/www/db/text/1998/freebsd-current/19981227.freebsd-current
   
 (the big 'wanton atticizing discussion')
 
 A summary of it being:
 
 - Multiplatform. Runs on IRIX, Solaris, Linux. Comes shipped with
 FreeBSD, OpenBSD, and NetBSD. Keeps us in sync with the other BSD's. 
 - Better logging then ipfw (has ipfw improved? Thats why I switched to
 ipfilter in the first place) 

And:

- IP filter does NAT completely inside the kernel
- IP filter has stateful filtering

I'd like to see it come back.  But that means it has to be brought
up to date first.

John
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Re: ipfilter no longer in -CURRENT, whats the direction? (off toipfw?)

1999-10-13 Thread Bill Fumerola

On Wed, 13 Oct 1999, Thomas Stromberg wrote:

 So my question is, what's the direction we're taking here?

The author was given commit privledges to maintain this in the tree,
obviously this was not done. Peter encouraged a KLD port, and I hope
someone steps up and makes one.

Others have eluded to upgrading it, but I never see those imports.

It's a shame, but I'm glad that Peter cleared the bitrot.

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Iomega Ditto Max Parallel

1999-10-13 Thread Douglas Kuntz

Has anyone had any success using the parallel version of the Iomega Ditto
Max with current, or is there any support for it?

Douglas Kuntz



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Re: FreeSSH

1999-10-13 Thread James Howard

On Wed, 13 Oct 1999, Patrick Bihan-Faou wrote:

 Hi All,
 
 It strikes me that having the base system be slightly more decomposed
  could be advantageous.  It would be great to be able to do something like:
 
 pkg_delete lp
 pkg_delete yp
 
 Has anyone done/tried this in the past, and if so, what was the
  reaction?  Or what do people think?  I realize this sounds a bit like the
  "everything is an rpm or dpkg" methodology from Linux, but as long as the
  'base' packages are handled automatically, then it shouldn't impose the
  same inconvenience.

I just pulled -security and -stable from the CC.

I was talking with a friend of mine the other day about making FreeBSD
more modular.  It would be great if the system were based on "packages"
(not like the ports tree, architectually like the current tree, but
organizationally like the ports tree).

You could have a "net" package (telnet, tn3270, ftp, finger, etc), an "nw"
package (which included all new Netware stuff), an xpg compatability
package (which has lots of things need for XPG compatability), the yp and
lp packages listed above are a good idea, and development package (gdb, 
lint, etc), a mail package (mail, vacation, biff, comsat, sendmail etc)
a perl package, and anything else anyone else wants to abstract out.  Then
make the "base" anything absolutely required to have an operational
system.

This has the benefit of allowing the tree to grow and include new
functionality and prevent software from being pulled out and stuck in
ports (things like stat, tn3270, are much more convient when then are in
the tree).

A more or less randomly thought out email message.  

Jamie



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Re: ipfilter no longer in -CURRENT, whats the direction? (off to ipfw?)

1999-10-13 Thread Dima Ruban

Darren Reed writes:
 Well, if someone had of answered my question (to cvs-committers)
 about getting an account fixed up on freefall(?) so I could use
 cvs again, it might not have been forgotten about for quite so
 long.  Maybe I sent the question to the "wrong place", but I
 received no answer to even indicate that!  hmpf!

Well, Mark Murray sent heads up note quite a while ago about freebsd.org
being converted to use krb5.

Send him email and I'm sure he'll help you to fix things.

 On a conspirital note, I think there are numerous ipfw advocates
 within freebsd who hate that ipfilter is better ;-)  Both NetBSD and
 OpenBSD ship with it, and if you're serious about security, maybe
 you should be using OpenBSD anyway, rather than FreeBSD.

Let's not start a flame war here. You posted it to FreeBSD mailing list.
I think it's fairly easy to imagine peoples reaction.

 
 Darren
 

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Re: Proper Whacking Weeding

1999-10-13 Thread Daniel C. Sobral

Marc van Woerkom wrote:
 
 Drawback is speed. While CVSup mirrors the CVS repository quite fast
 I now need an additional cvs update to sync my source tree with the
 CVS repository. And that is quite slow. (But I am working on a
 program that will speed up this process)

Use a local cvsup daemon, and cvsup the source tree from your cvs
repository. Much faster than cvs update. :-)

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Re: COMMAND_SET ?

1999-10-13 Thread Daniel C. Sobral

Chuck Robey wrote:
 
 I'm looking at sys/boot/common/pnp.c so I can find out how pnp is handled,
 and I found something called a COMMAND_SET, and I can't figure out what it
 means.  Any takers?

It's a macro. :-) I thought it was defined in that same directory,
even.  It makes a list that is used to define the so-called builtin
commands of loader.

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Re: ipfilter no longer in -CURRENT, whats the direction? (off to ipfw?)

1999-10-13 Thread Daniel C. Sobral

Thomas Stromberg wrote:
 
 It's a shame that no one seems to want to maintain ipfilter in our tree.
 As far as a 'port building kld', I think this may not be the 'smartest'
 way, seeing as anyone who is running a serious firewall would disable
 kld's immediately anyhow.

Your concerns notwithstanding, a kld is viable. A kld can be loaded
by, well, the loader.

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Re: Freebsd 4.0 and Linux

1999-10-13 Thread Kris Kennaway

On Wed, 13 Oct 1999, mariusz wrote:

What depth of FreeBSD's support for Linux applications under 
FreeBSD 4.0?

Pretty good - most things run without problems. But, the only definitive
answer is "try it and see".

Does the support comply with our current requirements for Linux?:

minimum kernel version: 2.0.34

We don't implement the Linux kernel as a whole; it's the API which is
implemented in FreeBSD's Linux mode (i.e. system calls). There aren't many
differences in this regard between the linux kernel versions.

minimum glibc version: 2.0.7-19

The linux-base port currently installs glibc-2.0.7-29, but you're free to
add/remove RPMs as you see fit, just as with linux :-)

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Re: Why Adaptec 1540 bombing?

1999-10-13 Thread FreeBSD Bob

 In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Darryl Okahata writes:
 :  If he can't, I've got a 1540A somewhere (in theory ;-) that I'd be
 : willing to lend out (if the address is in the US).  It's been years
 : since I've used it, and so I'm not 100% sure that it still works,
 : though.
 
 Well, I could install 2.2.x onto a disk and see if that works there.
 Once I do that, I can then know if it works or not. :-)
 
 Warner

Warner and Darryl.  The 2.2.x series seems to work fine on it
(what I am using on that machine now).  I also have a 1542C controller
that I could try.  Would that one be expected to be any different
from the 1540A?  I also have a Future Domain 16xx controller, and
a DPT 2012 series controller (the original dos EISA controller that
was in the machine).  My goal with the machine (a 1993ish Intel EISA
board with 32M ram, Phoenix bios, and badged Groupe Bull) was to
try the 3.3 and 4.x builds for some play.   I have been running 3.2
or 3.3 on all my other boxes, just fine on IDE controllers.  Since
I ran across these scsi controllers I was thinking of trying them.
The DPT did not run at all.   The 1540A did not run the 3.3 or 3.2,
but came up fine on 2.2.6 or 2.2.8.  That got me to thinking that
something had changed in the Adaptec driver and query what and why.

Any insights are appreciated.   If you need the board for testing,
I could probably arrange that, or, if you have a test snapshot I
could pick up, I could try that too.  What specific info would you
need from dmesg (assuming it will go far enough to get some messages)
or elsewhere?

From memory, I think it got as far as listing the controller and/or
drives attached, then went off polling for devices and never came
back.  It did that from the 3.3-RELEASE and the 4.0-19990918 snap
(if I have my numbers correct on the snap).  I don't think I tried
3.0/3.1/3.2 on it.

Thanks

Bob



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Re: SMP stack faults...

1999-10-13 Thread Mike Smith

 
 Just a followup question on my question from a week ago or so ther was
 indeed a stack overflow I'd guess- I check the code path more carefully
 and there was a 2KB stack buffer there (oof)- and removing it seemed to
 make the problem go awaySo the question here is "Shouldn't this have
 been a more obvious fault"?

There's probably an argument here for putting a guard page below the 
UP-mode kernel stack, yes.

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make buildworld breaks during vinum compilation

1999-10-13 Thread Marc van Woerkom

I got a stop here:

root@oranje# date; make buildworld
Wed Oct 13 15:34:04 CEST 1999
(...)
cc -O -pipe -DVINUMDEBUG -g -O  -DKERNEL -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs 
-Wstrict-prototypes  -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual  
-fformat-extensions -ansi -DKLD_MODULE -nostdinc -I-  
-I/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/modules/vinum -I/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/modules/vinum/@ 
-I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c 
/usr/src/sys/modules/vinum/../../dev/vinum/vinumioctl.c
/usr/src/sys/modules/vinum/../../dev/vinum/vinumioctl.c: In function `vinumioctl':
/usr/src/sys/modules/vinum/../../dev/vinum/vinumioctl.c:333: too few arguments to 
function `initsd'
*** Error code 1

The verify argument seems missing:
   root@oranje# grep initsd ../../dev/vinum/*
   ../../dev/vinum/vinumext.h:int initsd(int, int);
   ../../dev/vinum/vinumio.h:int verify;   
 /* verify (initsd) */
   ../../dev/vinum/vinumioctl.c:return initsd(objno);
   ../../dev/vinum/vinumrevive.c:initsd(int sdno, int verify)
   ../../dev/vinum/vinumstate.c:ioctl_reply-error = initsd(objindex, 
data-verify); /* initialize another block */

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Re: Freebsd 4.0 and Linux

1999-10-13 Thread Mike Smith

 Hi 

What depth of FreeBSD's support for Linux applications under 
FreeBSD 4.0?  I can't seem to find adequate information online.  
Does the support comply with our current requirements for Linux?:

minimum kernel version: 2.0.34
minimum glibc version: 2.0.7-19

Current state of the art is somewhere between RedHat 5.2 and RedHat 6.0.

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Re: ipfilter no longer in -CURRENT, whats the direction? (off to ipfw?)

1999-10-13 Thread zaph0d

I also must agree for many tasks, IP filter proves superior than IPFW and
NATD for many things which I do.

It seems much more straightforward, more configurable, and also in many
respects more stable and reliable.

It would not bother me in the least if they simply yanked ipfw and natd
from the src tree, and included ipf/ipnat default (not in contrib).

If no one else desires to doso, i'd be happy to maintain whatever
communication or porting nessescary to keep it current and included in the
standard FreeBSD distribution. 


On Wed, 13 Oct 1999, Thomas Stromberg wrote:

 http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/usr.sbin/ipnat/Attic/Makefile
 
 1.2 Sun Oct 10 15:08:35 1999 UTC by peter 
 CVS Tags: HEAD
 Diffs to 1.1 
 FILE REMOVED 
 
 Nuke the old antique copy of ipfilter from the tree.  This is old enough
 to be dangerous.  It will better serve us as a port building a KLD,
 ala SKIP.
 
 
 Although a heads up in -CURRENT or -security about this would of been
 nice, ye old ipfilter is gone. I definitely cannot disagree with the
 fact that it is an antique copy, and it's a shame that no one seems to
 be taking care of it in the tree. At least in the past, ipfilter was for
 many a much better option then ipfw. Has ipfw improved to the point
 where it functions better as a company firewall then ipfilter? (Okay, so
 the group  user firewalling is neat, but not really applicable for a
 corporate border firewall)
 
 ipfilters website: http://coombs.anu.edu.au/~avalon/ip-filter.html
 
 For why I feel ipfilter is better then ipfw (this post was written back
 in December '98, ipfw may have changed greatly since):
 
 
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=117538+122112+/usr/local/www/db/text/1998/freebsd-current/19981227.freebsd-current
   
 (the big 'wanton atticizing discussion')
 
 A summary of it being:
 
 - Multiplatform. Runs on IRIX, Solaris, Linux. Comes shipped with
 FreeBSD, OpenBSD, and NetBSD. Keeps us in sync with the other BSD's. 
 - Better logging then ipfw (has ipfw improved? Thats why I switched to
 ipfilter in the first place) 
 
 It's a shame that no one seems to want to maintain ipfilter in our tree.
 As far as a 'port building kld', I think this may not be the 'smartest'
 way, seeing as anyone who is running a serious firewall would disable
 kld's immediately anyhow. 
 
 So my question is, what's the direction we're taking here?
 
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Re: Why Adaptec 1540 bombing?

1999-10-13 Thread Warner Losh

In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] FreeBSD Bob writes:
: The DPT did not run at all.   

I do not have access to the DPT controllers, nor to a EISA system for
testing.

: The 1540A did not run the 3.3 or 3.2,
: but came up fine on 2.2.6 or 2.2.8.  That got me to thinking that
: something had changed in the Adaptec driver and query what and why.

Yes.  CAM happened. :-)  The 1540A card had some interesting problems
with the setting of residuals which the 1540B and later do not have.
CAM requires these transfer counts be accurate or it can get
confused.  I tried to cope as best I could, but without access to an
actual card I couldn't verify that it worked.

Warner


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Re: make buildworld breaks during vinum compilation

1999-10-13 Thread Gianmarco Giovannelli

At 13/10/99, Marc van Woerkom wrote:

 /usr/src/sys/modules/vinum/../../dev/vinum/vinumioctl.c: In function 
 `vinumioctl':
 /usr/src/sys/modules/vinum/../../dev/vinum/vinumioctl.c:333: too few 
 arguments to function `initsd'
 *** Error code 1

Me too ...



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World breakage in libc_r?

1999-10-13 Thread John Polstra

I'm building world on an Alpha and have run into this:

building shared library libc_r.so.4
sigpending.So: In function `sigpending':
sigpending.S:2: multiple definition of `sigpending'
uthread_sigpending.So(.text+0x0):uthread_sigpending.c: first defined here
/usr/obj/a/src/tmp/usr/libexec/elf/ld: Warning: size of symbol `sigpending' changed 
from 68 to 36 in sigpending.So
uthread_sigsuspend.So: In function `sigsuspend':
uthread_sigsuspend.c(.text+0x0): multiple definition of `sigsuspend'
sigsuspend.So:sigsuspend.S:2: first defined here
/usr/obj/a/src/tmp/usr/libexec/elf/ld: Warning: size of symbol `sigsuspend' changed 
from 36 to 236 in uthread_sigsuspend.So
*** Error code 1

I know the cause of it and I know the fix.  The cause is this:

---
dfr 1999/10/09 05:11:32 PDT

  Modified files:
lib/libc/alpha/sys   Makefile.inc 
  Log:
  Remove old sig* wrappers.
  
  Revision  ChangesPath
  1.6   +2 -3  src/lib/libc/alpha/sys/Makefile.inc
---

and the fix is to add sigpending.o and sigsuspend.o to the
definition of HIDDEN_SYSCALLS in "src/lib/libc_r/Makefile".

But there was a similar commit for the i386 a few hours later, and I
haven't heard any complaints about this breakage on i386 systems.  I'm
reluctant to commit the fix for the Alpha until I understand why not,
because it will affect the i386 too.  Can any of you shed some light
on this?

John


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Fwd: RE: /dev/smb0 on Dell Latitude

1999-10-13 Thread Richard Wackerbarth

Thanks for your suggestion. I haven't found anything in the archives that seems
to apply. Any help from "current"?

--  Forwarded Message  --
Subject: RE: /dev/smb0 on Dell Latitude
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:53:06 -0500
From: "Alejandro Ramirez" [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Hi,

You should write this question to [EMAIL PROTECTED], there was
some discusion about this.

Ales

- Original Message -
From: Richard Wackerbarth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 5:09 PM
Subject: /dev/smb0 on Dell Latitude


 Help! Does anyone have any experience with the smbus on Dell laptops?
 This is today's kernel.

 Selected entries in dmesg are below.

 When I attempt to find devices the ioctl returns "Device not configured"
on
 /dev/smb0.


 FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #9: Wed Oct 13 08:21:53 CDT 1999

 CPU: Pentium II/Xeon/Celeron (267.27-MHz 686-class CPU)
   Origin = "GenuineIntel"  Id = 0x650  Stepping = 0

Features=0x183f9ffFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,
PAT,PSE36,MMX,FXSR
 real memory  = 67043328 (65472K bytes)

 apm0: APM BIOS on motherboard
 apm: found APM BIOS v1.2, connected at v1.2
 pcib0: Intel 82443BX host to PCI bridge (AGP disabled) on motherboard
 pci0: PCI bus on pcib0
 vga-pci0: NeoMagic NM2160 laptop SVGA controller irq 11 at device 2.0 on
pci0
 pcic0: TI PCI-1131 PCI-CardBus Bridge irq 11 at device 3.0 on pci0
 pcic1: TI PCI-1131 PCI-CardBus Bridge irq 11 at device 3.1 on pci0
 isab0: Intel 82371AB PCI to ISA bridge at device 7.0 on pci0
 isa0: ISA bus on isab0
 ide_pci0: Intel PIIX4 Bus-master IDE controller at device 7.1 on pci0
 chip1: UHCI USB controller irq 11 at device 7.2 on pci0
 intpm0: Intel 82371AB Power management controller at device 7.3 on pci0
 intpm0: I/O mapped 840
 intpm0: intr IRQ 9 enabled revision 0
 smbus0: System Management Bus on intsmb0
 smb0: SMBus general purpose I/O on smbus0
 intpm0: PM I/O mapped 800
 pcm0: SoundBlaster Pro 3.2 at drq 1 flags 0x15 on isa0
 device_probe_and_attach: pcm0 attach returned 6
 devclass_alloc_unit: pcf0 already exists, using next available unit number
 pcf0 at port 0x320 irq 5 on isa0
 pcic: pccard bridge VLSI 82C146 (5 mem  2 I/O windows)

 WARNING: driver smb should register devices with make_dev() (dev_t =
"#smb/0")


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Re: make buildworld breaks during vinum compilation

1999-10-13 Thread Greg Lehey

On Wednesday, 13 October 1999 at 21:38:07 +0200, Marc van Woerkom wrote:
 I got a stop here:

 root@oranje# date; make buildworld
 Wed Oct 13 15:34:04 CEST 1999
 (...)
 cc -O -pipe -DVINUMDEBUG -g -O  -DKERNEL -Wall -Wredundant-decls 
-Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes  -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline 
-Wcast-qual  -fformat-extensions -ansi -DKLD_MODULE -nostdinc -I-  
-I/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/modules/vinum -I/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/modules/vinum/@ 
-I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c 
/usr/src/sys/modules/vinum/../../dev/vinum/vinumioctl.c
 /usr/src/sys/modules/vinum/../../dev/vinum/vinumioctl.c: In function 
`vinumioctl':
 /usr/src/sys/modules/vinum/../../dev/vinum/vinumioctl.c:333: too few arguments 
to function `initsd'
 *** Error code 1

On Wednesday, 13 October 1999 at 23:19:11 +0200, Gianmarco Giovannelli wrote:
 Me too ...

Pass the pointy hat.  I forgot to commit one of the files in the last
change.  I *did* cvsup and recompile after committing, but I didn't
notice that there was an M flag for vinumioctl.c :-(

It should all be OK now.

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Re: The eventual fate of BLOCK devices.

1999-10-13 Thread Chuck Robey

On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, David Scheidt wrote:

 On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, Kirk McKusick wrote:
 
  I would like to take a step back from the debate for a moment and
  ask the bigger question: How many real-world applications actually
  use the block device interface? I know of none whatsoever. All the
  filesystem utilities go out of their way to avoid the block device
  and use the raw interface. Does anyone on this list know of any
  programs that need/want the block interface? If there are none, or
 
 It doesn't run on FreeBSD, but Sybase uses block devices for its dedicated
 disk devices.  There may be other RDBMSes that do this. 

Informix, should a miracle occur and they decide to suport FreeBSD,
definitely want the same.



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Re: The eventual fate of BLOCK devices.

1999-10-13 Thread Chuck Robey

On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, Warner Losh wrote:

 In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] David 
Scheidt writes:
 : It doesn't run on FreeBSD, but Sybase uses block devices for its dedicated
 : disk devices.  There may be other RDBMSes that do this. 
 
 EVERY RDBMS that I've ever seen or had to make work with my drivers
 has been on the raw partition.  This is because the database writers
 DO NOT LIKE OR TRUST the buffer cache due to its non-deterministic
 nature of disk writing.  Are you sure that Sybase uses BLOCK devices
 and not CHAR devices?

Gawd, now that I think of it, about my Informix post, you're right, they
use a raw partition, and their own buffering.

 
 Warner
 
 


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linux emulation broken..

1999-10-13 Thread Chris Csanady

It has been getting worse and worse for me recently.  The two
applications where it is noticeable are netscape, and word
(im)perfect.  I was using the linux version of netscape, until
recently when it began hanging for long periods of time during
network or disk activity.  For a while with WP, it was fairly
useable, except I could not print with it.  Now though, I
can't even save files, it hangs at the Save As dialog.

I'm sorry I can't be more specific, but with a kernel from today
it is still broken.  I don't have time to go into it any further
right now, but I thought I would check if others are having
similar difficulties.

I have a lot to do, and it is just extremely irritating right
now.  I swear, nothing relating to linux ever works..  I have
the pleasure of using at it work on a regular basis, and it has
been nothing but a complete PITA.  So much time wasted.  Sorry,
I couldn't help including my $0.02 wrt linux..

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intpm(4) polling patch

1999-10-13 Thread Takanori Watanabe

If you get "Device not configured" message, apply following patch and
do 'sysctl -w hw.intpm_poll=1'.If your system is SMP, 'hw.intpm_poll' value
is 1 as a default.(Not tested.)
This is not *the right* solution,but it will work I think.

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--- /home/ctm/src/sys/pci/intpm.c   Fri Sep  3 03:16:24 1999
+++ intpm.c Thu Oct 14 12:25:28 1999
@@ -43,9 +43,9 @@
 #include sys/rman.h
 #include machine/resource.h
 #include dev/smbus/smbconf.h
-
+#include sys/sysctl.h
 #include "smbus_if.h"
-
+#include "smp.h"
 /*This should be removed if force_pci_map_int supported*/
 #include sys/interrupt.h
 
@@ -90,6 +90,9 @@
 static int intpm_attach (device_t dev);
 static devclass_t intsmb_devclass;
 
+static int intpm_poll=0;
+SYSCTL_INT(_hw, OID_AUTO, intpm_poll, CTLFLAG_RW, intpm_poll, 1, "");
+
 static device_method_t intpm_methods[]={
 DEVMETHOD(device_probe,intsmb_probe),
 DEVMETHOD(device_attach,intsmb_attach),
@@ -379,7 +382,7 @@
 int error;
intrmask_t s;
 struct intsmb_softc *sc = (struct intsmb_softc *)device_get_softc(dev);
-   if(cold){
+   if(cold||intpm_poll!=0){
/*So that it can use device during probing device on SMBus.*/
error=intsmb_stop_poll(dev);
return error;
@@ -656,7 +659,10 @@
 device_t smbinterface;
int rid;
struct resource *res;
-
+#if NSMP0
+   device_printf(dev,"SMP system so polling mode is default\n");
+   intpm_poll=1;
+#endif
 sciic=device_get_softc(dev);
 if(sciic==NULL){
 return ENOMEM;







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Re: package-like feature for the base distrib (was Re: FreeSSH)

1999-10-13 Thread Patrick Bihan-Faou

Hi,

From: Pierre Beyssac [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 There are a _lot_ of pitfalls to this kind of approach, as I have
 discovered using Linux Debian. This would probably open a can of
 worms you have no idea of. IMHO, the single biggest mistake in
 Debian is the all-encompassing package system which can make your
 life miserable in no time.

[...]

I was not talking about things that constitute the "real" core of the
distribution (kernel, basic libraries etc.). I was more thinking about
"userland" stuff that is included in the distribution but might not be
required by everybody. Sendmail for example is something I don't want since
I user qmail. However I have to remove it by hand... Other examples are bind
or perl.

Basically I think anything that has an equivalent and/or an alternate
installation method in/via the "ports" system should be registered with the
rest of the packages.

 And, IMHO, package handling for general-purpose applications and
 package handling for the core system are a very different problem
 and should be handled in very different ways.

Agreed. This is the key. The package/ports system is really great as is. The
split between the distribution and the packages/ports is sometime annoying.
Again I think this mostly concerns "userland" features that are not required
for the core of FreeBSD.


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