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Hi, I was wondering, who is working on sysinstall, and if something like a graphical sysinstall2 is planned. It's about time, I think, to add a graphic-based installer to FreeBSD and I would like to know, if there's allready people working on it, or not. If there's something to do for a programmer, let me know... Friedemann To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
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On Sun, 9 Feb 2003, Matthew Dillon wrote: subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] ich kenn dich nicht und es interessiert mich auch normalerweise nicht, aber warum muss ich immer deinen namen lesen, wenn irgendwer irgendwo anfaengt zu nerven? und irgendwie bist es immer du, es ist mir auch scheissegal, ob du meine mail verstehst oder nicht, und auch ist mir wurscht, ob du d3er richtige adressat bist oder nicht, aber ES GEHT MIR AUF DEN SACK! SHUT UP, FUCK OFF, VERPISS DICH regards, friedemann -- please ignore this mail if either - the above cited mail was not sent intentionally - you are not the originator of the above cited email - you really just wanted to subscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
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[19:22] billh Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] billh Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get [EMAIL PROTECTED] w/No Ads, 6MB, POP more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
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[19:22] billh Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] billh Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get [EMAIL PROTECTED] w/No Ads, 6MB, POP more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
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[19:22] billh Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] billh Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get [EMAIL PROTECTED] w/No Ads, 6MB, POP more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
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[19:22] billh Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] billh Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get [EMAIL PROTECTED] w/No Ads, 6MB, POP more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
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[19:22] billh Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] billh Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get [EMAIL PROTECTED] w/No Ads, 6MB, POP more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
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[19:22] billh Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] billh Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get [EMAIL PROTECTED] w/No Ads, 6MB, POP more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
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[19:22] billh Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] billh Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get [EMAIL PROTECTED] w/No Ads, 6MB, POP more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Remote terminal and startx issue
To be honest I'm not sure if this is a bug, feature, user configuration issue or a security problem. (so point me in the right direction if I'm lost) Basically startx can be run from a remote terminal, which will spawn XFree86 on the local console (display 0). If XFree86 is already running, the remote terminal displays an (expected) XFree86 error about the display 0 already being active. After a CTRL+C a core dump is issued for the window-manager (only tested with Blackbox). uname -a FreeBSD XX.YY.ZZ 5.0-RELEASE-p1 FreeBSD 5.0-RELEASE-p1 #0: Tue Feb 4 23:45:23 CET 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/PIGLET i386 XFree86 is XFree86-4.2.0_1,1 from the ports. _ MSN Instant Messenger now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
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[19:22] billh Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] billh Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get [EMAIL PROTECTED] w/No Ads, 6MB, POP more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
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[19:22] billh Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] billh Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get [EMAIL PROTECTED] w/No Ads, 6MB, POP more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
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[19:22] billh Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] billh Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get [EMAIL PROTECTED] w/No Ads, 6MB, POP more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
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[19:22] billh Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] billh Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get [EMAIL PROTECTED] w/No Ads, 6MB, POP more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
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[19:22] billh Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] billh Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get [EMAIL PROTECTED] w/No Ads, 6MB, POP more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
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[19:22] billh Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] billh Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get [EMAIL PROTECTED] w/No Ads, 6MB, POP more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
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[19:22] billh Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] billh Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get [EMAIL PROTECTED] w/No Ads, 6MB, POP more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
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[19:22] billh Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] billh Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get [EMAIL PROTECTED] w/No Ads, 6MB, POP more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
matthew dillon
Sorry folks, I don't know, who this mathew dillon guy really is, or how important he is for the FreeBSD project, but I don't think, he should be on any of the freebsd mailing lists or any related facilities, if he just can't keep with some of the most basic rules of communication. It may be adequate or something like normal in irc channels or even usenet groups - although it should not - to behave this childish way, but I think at least on the freebsd mailing lists, there should be a little standard of etiquette or what it's called. I know I am not the first one thinking this way, the replies will probably be the same as every time before. Please accept my apologizes if I should hit the wrong person, but someone really does not behave in a acceptable way here and I just wanted to complain about it, to let people know, that freebsd-* is no place for private quarrels or neuroses. --- sorry for my bad english, etc, I'm new to freebsd/unix/bla etc, blubblubblub, a very disappointed bsd fan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
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[19:22] billh Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] billh Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get [EMAIL PROTECTED] w/No Ads, 6MB, POP more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
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[19:22] billh Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] billh Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get [EMAIL PROTECTED] w/No Ads, 6MB, POP more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
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[19:22] billh Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] billh Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get [EMAIL PROTECTED] w/No Ads, 6MB, POP more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
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[19:22] billh Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] billh Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get [EMAIL PROTECTED] w/No Ads, 6MB, POP more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
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[19:22] billh Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] billh Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get [EMAIL PROTECTED] w/No Ads, 6MB, POP more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
sorry
[19:22] billh Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] billh Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get [EMAIL PROTECTED] w/No Ads, 6MB, POP more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
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[19:22] billh Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] billh Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get [EMAIL PROTECTED] w/No Ads, 6MB, POP more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
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[19:22] billh Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] billh Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get [EMAIL PROTECTED] w/No Ads, 6MB, POP more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
sorry
[19:22] billh Yeah, I really despise the FreeBSD folks in general, they have some of the biggest small dick complexies out of all the open source folks I know of. [19:22] billh Alfred is one of the worst, Bill Fumerola is the other. -- Matthew Dillon DBSD - Available soon, FFL(1) licensed 1 - The Fuck Fumerola License (TM) _ The Heavynoize Network --- http://heavynoize.net/ _ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get [EMAIL PROTECTED] w/No Ads, 6MB, POP more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: matthew dillon
I know I am not the first one thinking this way, the replies will probably be the same as every time before. Please accept my apologizes if I should hit the wrong person, but someone really does not behave in a acceptable way here and I just wanted to complain about it, to let people know, that freebsd-* is no place for private quarrels or neuroses. I think it is more than obvious that this person is NOT Matthew Dillon (if you search on last couple of weeks, you'll see that the real Dillon does not even use that e-mail address). On the other hand, I've seen someone (or someones) attacking Dillon by trying to impersonate him here before. Maybe there is a reason for this, and maybe there isn't. But I really think this subscribe/sorry flooder is NOT the FreeBSD's Matthew Dillon. Fred -- Debug is human, de-fix divine. msg39788/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: matthew dillon
These messages aren't from the *real* Matt Dillon, they're from a stupid troll who has been impersonating various FreeBSD developers for a few months now. This particular troll uses anonymous remailers so the postmaster is helpless to block email addresses or IP ranges. So, if the message looks like a fake, sounds like a fake, and is littered with profanities (such as the F*ck Fumerola Licence), then please assume this is the voice of the troll and is best ignored. -- Matt Emmerton Sorry folks, I don't know, who this mathew dillon guy really is, or how important he is for the FreeBSD project, but I don't think, he should be on any of the freebsd mailing lists or any related facilities, if he just can't keep with some of the most basic rules of communication. It may be adequate or something like normal in irc channels or even usenet groups - although it should not - to behave this childish way, but I think at least on the freebsd mailing lists, there should be a little standard of etiquette or what it's called. I know I am not the first one thinking this way, the replies will probably be the same as every time before. Please accept my apologizes if I should hit the wrong person, but someone really does not behave in a acceptable way here and I just wanted to complain about it, to let people know, that freebsd-* is no place for private quarrels or neuroses. --- sorry for my bad english, etc, I'm new to freebsd/unix/bla etc, blubblubblub, a very disappointed bsd fan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: matthew dillon
At 15:40 09/02/2003 +0100, Friedemann Becker wrote: I don't know, who this mathew dillon guy really is, or how important he is for the FreeBSD project, but I don't think, he should be on any of the freebsd mailing lists or any related facilities, if he just can't keep with some of the most basic rules of communication. [snip] Matthew Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] != Matthew Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I'm guessing that Matthew Dillion [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the same troll who has been (making a poor attempt at) forging email from controversial FreeBSD people for quite a long time now. Colin Percival To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
RE: matthew dillon
well it really figures, here we going with another pissing contest http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/02/03/239238mode=threadtid=122tid=1 56 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Friedemann Becker Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 8:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: matthew dillon Sorry folks, I don't know, who this mathew dillon guy really is, or how important he is for the FreeBSD project, but I don't think, he should be on any of the freebsd mailing lists or any related facilities, if he just can't keep with some of the most basic rules of communication. It may be adequate or something like normal in irc channels or even usenet groups - although it should not - to behave this childish way, but I think at least on the freebsd mailing lists, there should be a little standard of etiquette or what it's called. I know I am not the first one thinking this way, the replies will probably be the same as every time before. Please accept my apologizes if I should hit the wrong person, but someone really does not behave in a acceptable way here and I just wanted to complain about it, to let people know, that freebsd-* is no place for private quarrels or neuroses. --- sorry for my bad english, etc, I'm new to freebsd/unix/bla etc, blubblubblub, a very disappointed bsd fan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: Matthew Dillon
Hi Again, please take my apologizes, especially Matthew, I am rather new to FreeBSD - not in therms of using but reading the lists etc - and I just was disappointed a lot, because a had to see, that there is sadly no big difference between IRC and the freebsd mailing lists. I know, one can't do very much against it and times won't change in a thousand years if you look at the social (dis-)abilities of internet users. I also know: don't feed the trolls, etc, but as I said above, I'm rather new to this and I think, I just have to get used to it and throw mails like this away I hope, I did not upset you too much, see you Friedemann To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
The Trolls identity (was: Re: matthew dillon)
In message 00af01c2d04a$e948e0e0$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Matthew Emmerton w rites: These messages aren't from the *real* Matt Dillon, they're from a stupid troll who has been impersonating various FreeBSD developers for a few months now. This particular troll uses anonymous remailers so the postmaster is helpless to block email addresses or IP ranges. So, if the message looks like a fake, sounds like a fake, and is littered with profanities (such as the F*ck Fumerola Licence), then please assume this is the voice of the troll and is best ignored. We know that the lamer behind the Troll is Bill Huey aka billh. All I personally know about him is that he was dot-com road-kill and that he think it is everybody else' fault. I'm not privy to the various arrangements that are being made for ridding ourselves of his pathetic existence. Poul-Henning -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: what about sysinstall
Thus spake Friedemann Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I was wondering, who is working on sysinstall, and if something like a graphical sysinstall2 is planned. It's about time, I think, to add a graphic-based installer to FreeBSD and I would like to know, if there's allready people working on it, or not. If there's something to do for a programmer, let me know... According to the libh status page, they're working on it, but it's far from finished. I'm sure they would appreciate some help. The following address should give you more information and contacts: http://rtp1.slowblink.com/~libh/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: Making pkg_XXX tools smarter about file types...
Yury Tarasievich [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'd like to see in dependencies not only like was built with -1.9_2abc, so wants it, but also something like -1.5+ (obviously 1.5.0 and newer), -* (any version will do). Perhaps something else. At least to have possibility of specifying that, if this can't go into official ports. Does it seem reasonable? this problem has been annoying me for ages, but he who implements this should consider dependencies specified too liberally. sometimes newer versions aren't backwards compatible, which you can't know back in the past. clemens To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
The Trolls identity (was: Re: matthew dillon)
(I assume I'm replying to the real PHK here) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We know that the lamer behind the Troll is Bill Huey aka billh. Is there any evidence for it? If so, you should share it and if not, you shouldn't make such accusations. All I personally know about him is that he was dot-com road-kill and that he think it is everybody else' fault. This may be true, but this troll doesn't fit the pattern with billh. We've already seen that billh is not reluctant to post extremely nasty mails, containing personal accusations, under his own name. Why would he do this troll thing? And why would he pretend to quote himself on irc in the latest spate of messages? I suspect that there's more than one troll -- if there is only one, he has a quite schizophrenic attitude towards (the real) Matt Dillon. R To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
It used to be a quiet place
Until the HUMANS got out of contro! IN the original quote it was: It used to be a quiet neighborhood until the monkeys got out of control. Oh well sigh...Have a good day folks. Have Fun, Sends Steve P.S. I hope this doesn't stop the real information one gets by lurking/occassional communicating here. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: The Trolls identity (was: Re: matthew dillon)
Rahul Siddharthan writes: (I assume I'm replying to the real PHK here) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We know that the lamer behind the Troll is Bill Huey aka billh. Is there any evidence for it? If so, you should share it and if not, you shouldn't make such accusations. He admitted to it. M -- Mark Murray iumop ap!sdn w,I idlaH To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: Making pkg_XXX tools smarter about file types...
clemens fischer wrote: Yury Tarasievich [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'd like to see in dependencies not only like was built with -1.9_2abc, so wants it, but also something like -1.5+ (obviously 1.5.0 and newer), -* (any version will do). ... sometimes newer versions aren't backwards compatible, which you can't know back in the past. A better approach might be to simply fob it off on the user, i.e., # pkg_install foo-1.5 Warning: foo-1.5 requires bar-2.3, you have bar-1.7 installed. Proceed? [Y/n] Eventually, someone should teach pkg_install about fetch, so it could offer the option of downloading and installing the dependency. IIRC, Debian's package system handled this pretty elegantly---it even upgraded installed packages automatically---although their curses-based UI was ... erm quirky. ;-) Tim Kientzle To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: The Trolls identity (was: Re: matthew dillon)
On Sun, Feb 09, 2003 at 04:06:52PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We know that the lamer behind the Troll is Bill Huey aka billh. FWIW if you or someone else can establish guilt in this matter, it is actionable under 18 USC Sec. 1028[0]. If I were the real Matt Dillon I would call my local FBI field office and have a chat. Identity theft, is nothing anyone should have to put up with. You also might talk to a civil litigator, as there is likely a large amount of civil liability involved in identity theft. Someone teach this guy a lesson. [0] - http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/1028.html Brandon D. Valentine -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geekpunk.net We've been raised on replicas of fake and winding roads, and day after day up on this beautiful stage we've been playing tambourine for minimum wage, but we are real; I know we are real. -- David Berman To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: Missing commit bit [PATCH].
On Sunday 09 February 2003 19:20, clemens fischer wrote: Pawel Jakub Dawidek [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [about removing matt d. committer bit] If so, tell me now, please, what kind of reasons left, that can't be shown in public forum? i'd be satisfied with the reasons that _can be_ shown in a public forum, because anything else can't be but personal and thus contra- productive to the common cause(tm). Matt Dillon was removed from the ranks of committers for one simple reason: the Core Team asked him if he could in the future live up to the Committers Rules and he replied that he could not. We will do the same for anyone else. We hope anyone else who can't play by the rules will voluntarily resign rather than forcing us to take such action. Committers who break the rules but remain personally committed to meeting them are reminded in writing and occasionally by being suspended for a few days. The use of this mechanism has dropped off signficantly from when it was first implemented; I had hopes this meant the project was becoming a less adversarial place to work. Perhaps this can still come about. If you are a committer, this is a good opportunity to review the rules. If you are not a committer but are a contributor to FreeBSD, we welcome your input. We feel the rules are fair and necessary to useful interactions in a group as large as the FreeBSD community has grown. Please let us (the Core Team) know if you see anything in the Rules that is somehow unfair to individuals or groups, or otherwise objectionable. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/committers-guide/rules.html -- Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket? Wes Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: Okay, I think I need some serious introduction ;-) (fwd)
On Sun, 9 Feb 2003, Gary W. Swearingen wrote: Friedemann Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I _really_ want to help, I think of myself as a quite potentially usefull programmer, but I need someones help here. If someone could please divert my unused engergies to the right direction :) You've not made clear what kind of help you need. Can you not find a PR which you are capable of developing a fix for? What are your capabilities? What kind of work are you willing and able to do? Are you willing to work on documentation in your own or other language? Are you willing to do grunt work like fixing a program's Usage: output? Could you write a user-friendly fdisk? Could you replace some GNU program with a new or updated old BSD version of the program (see /usr/src/gnu/usr.*/*)? Have you checked out http://www.freebsd.org/projects/index.html ? I'm sure many projects could use web site help. The libh project is working on probably one of the most important improvements to FreeBSD (though I don't like their approach). I've got some design ideas for what I think would be a very useful documentation-finding tool that you could implement on your own. Many programs could do better error reporting. I've got a list of program problems, many of which could be fixed relatively simply. You could either fix them or do research and write PRs for them. If nothing else, you could do valuable work by making a categorized and ordered-by-importance and/or -ease-of-doing list of PRs and tasks for people like you to tackle, so they needn't waste time reading about never-to-be-fixed problems. (You'd first get agreement of important freebsd-www person to add it to www.freebsd.org, maybe after showing a partial draft version.) Okay, eeemmm :-) This was kind of helpful, thanks. I already had checked the above ressources, there's not nothing I could do, but more like too much to find the thing I'm looking for. But you gave me some good ideas to start with. libh for example indeed seems interesting to me, althoung I don't really understand what's the point about it exactly, but this will become clearer if I look a little bit deeper into it. Replacing GNU tools also sounds very exciting, I think this would be the best fit for me. And as for gnats it really needs a categorization, maybee I check this out, too, but first I'll try not to overreach myself with all this. Thanks for the help, even if I could not describe my problem quite well, but at least I think, I got the ideas I was looking for. Friedemann To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
csrg sources
is there a possibility to get the csrg sources of the unix tools (grep, sort, etc) if I don't got 99$ and don't want to have 4 CD's for it? cvs or something? Friedemann To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: Making pkg_XXX tools smarter about file types...
On Sun, Feb 09, 2003 at 10:42:21AM -0800, Tim Kientzle wrote: Eventually, someone should teach pkg_install about fetch, so it could offer the option of downloading and installing the dependency. IIRC, Debian's package system handled this pretty elegantly---it even upgraded installed packages automatically---although their curses-based UI was ... erm quirky. ;-) you mean like ''pkg_add -r'' already does? -- - bill fumerola / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: replacing GNU grep with UNIX grep.
# [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2003-02-03 13:20:04 +0100: Sergey Babkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Also the GNU grep has a lot more options, the most interesting of them being -r. Unfortunately, GNU grep's -r option is broken (it does not handle symnlinks correctly). Try textproc/freegrep from ports instead. I believe the Subversion team has a BSD-like-licensed grep library. -- If you cc me or remove the list(s) completely I'll most likely ignore your message.see http://www.eyrie.org./~eagle/faqs/questions.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: csrg sources
Quoth Friedemann Becker on Sun, Feb 09, 2003: is there a possibility to get the csrg sources of the unix tools (grep, sort, etc) if I don't got 99$ and don't want to have 4 CD's for it? cvs or something? Quick Googling turns up: ftp://ftp.luth.se/pub/OS/4.4BSD-Lite/4.4BSD-Lite2/usr/src/ Vadik. -- The reader this message encounters not failing to understand is cursed. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Another EPIA M 9000 update (was Re: More compartive power/performance results (was Re: Lower power SMP boxes?))
Firewire Another EPIA M 9000 update. The built-in firewire works flawlessly under FreeBSD 4.x (firewire.ko and sbp.ko modules). When I connect up a firewire HD I get 30MB/s+ out of it. The same HD has a USB2.0 connector but for some reason I only get around 1MB/s via USB, even though FreeBSD seems to understand that it is USB 2.0. Unfortunately I was not able to boot the HD via the firewire or the USB. I don't know why, the BIOS has options for USB booting but it doesn't see the drive for some reason. Power consumption I also found a document that gave definitive power consumption for various EPIA systems: http://www.viamainboard.com/product/3/4/EPIA%20M%20Operating%20Guidelines.pdf Summary: EPIA M 9000 17-25W EPIA M E600016-22W EPIA 80011-20W EPIA 5000 9-15W (5W idle, 15W playing DVD) (this is non-inclusive of any hard drives) Additional data point: My brother installed W2000 on one as a test and it performs considerably better running photoshop then his old P3-450 running W98. All VIA supplied drivers installed without a hitch and worked well, including the firewire driver, USB driver, video driver, and sound driver. His IPod software and a netgear USB wireless unit also installed without a hitch. (Which is quite amazing for Windows, even though one had to reboot a dozen times during the installation of the drivers. But, still, I am suitably impressed). -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
