using cupsd instead of base lpr [was Re: [HEADS UP] Kernel modules don't work properly in FreeBSD 8.1-RC1 (solved)]
On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 18:15:09 -0700 Ted Faber fa...@isi.edu wrote: (/usr/local/bin/ preceeds /usr/bin in my path so I can use the lpr commands from cupsd, though it's evidently a bit of a dangerous idea.) [trimmed Cc] I use cupsd and have these settings to get around using the base system lp stuff: in /etc/src.conf - WITHOUT_LPR=yes and these symbolic links in /usr/bin lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 17 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lp - /usr/local/bin/lp lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 24 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpoptions - /usr/local/bin/lpoptions lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 18 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpq - /usr/local/bin/lpq lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 18 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpr - /usr/local/bin/lpr lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 19 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lprm - /usr/local/bin/lprm lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 21 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpstat - /usr/local/bin/lpstat and /usr/bin is _before_ /usr/local/bin in my PATH. --- Gary Jennejohn ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: using cupsd instead of base lpr [was Re: [HEADS UP] Kernel modules don't work properly in FreeBSD 8.1-RC1 (solved)]
On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 10:30:26 +0200 Alban Hertroys dal...@solfertje.student.utwente.nl wrote: On 24 Jun 2010, at 9:23, Gary Jennejohn wrote: On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 18:15:09 -0700 Ted Faber fa...@isi.edu wrote: (/usr/local/bin/ preceeds /usr/bin in my path so I can use the lpr commands from cupsd, though it's evidently a bit of a dangerous idea.) [trimmed Cc] I use cupsd and have these settings to get around using the base system lp stuff: in /etc/src.conf - WITHOUT_LPR=yes and these symbolic links in /usr/bin lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 17 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lp - /usr/local/bin/lp lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 24 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpoptions - /usr/local/bin/lpoptions lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 18 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpq - /usr/local/bin/lpq lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 18 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpr - /usr/local/bin/lpr lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 19 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lprm - /usr/local/bin/lprm lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 21 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpstat - /usr/local/bin/lpstat and /usr/bin is _before_ /usr/local/bin in my PATH. Wouldn't it be easier to alias those commands instead of physically replacing them? In my .tcshrc I have: alias lp/usr/local/bin/lp alias lpq /usr/local/bin/lpq alias lpr /usr/local/bin/lpr alias lprm /usr/local/bin/lprm I only have /usr/local/bin/lpoptions on my system (7-STABLE), so I guess that's exclusive to CUPS, hence no need for me to alias it. That's a valid option, of course. My thought was that the base lp isn't being installed anyway so it's just as simple to use symbolic links. -- Gary Jennejohn ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: using cupsd instead of base lpr [was Re: [HEADS UP] Kernel modules don't work properly in FreeBSD 8.1-RC1 (solved)]
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Gary Jennejohn gljennj...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 18:15:09 -0700 Ted Faber fa...@isi.edu wrote: (/usr/local/bin/ preceeds /usr/bin in my path so I can use the lpr commands from cupsd, though it's evidently a bit of a dangerous idea.) [trimmed Cc] I use cupsd and have these settings to get around using the base system lp stuff: in /etc/src.conf - WITHOUT_LPR=yes and these symbolic links in /usr/bin lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 17 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lp - /usr/local/bin/lp lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 24 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpoptions - /usr/local/bin/lpoptions lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 18 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpq - /usr/local/bin/lpq lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 18 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpr - /usr/local/bin/lpr lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 19 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lprm - /usr/local/bin/lprm lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 21 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpstat - /usr/local/bin/lpstat and /usr/bin is _before_ /usr/local/bin in my PATH. --- Gary Jennejohn I also have this in make.conf: CUPS_OVERWRITE_BASE=yes WITHOUT_LPR=yes which print/cups-base uses to do make any lpr related binaries in /usr/bin non-executable, so they are skipped over and the cups specific ones in /usr/loca/bin are used instead. WITHOUT_LPR just stops LPR being built by buildworld. Cheers Tom ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [HEADS UP] Kernel modules don't work properly in FreeBSD 8.1-RC1
Andriy Gapon a...@icyb.net.ua writes: Yes, you are absolutely correct. This comes from the fact that amd64 uses simple objects files (aka .o) as kernel modules and i386 uses full-blow dso. The obvious question is: since, as I understand, amd64's solution is superior, what would it take to switch to .o on other platforms? DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - d...@des.no ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: using cupsd instead of base lpr [was Re: [HEADS UP] Kernel modules don't work properly in FreeBSD 8.1-RC1 (solved)]
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Andrew Reilly arei...@bigpond.net.au wrote: On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 09:23:37AM +0200, Gary Jennejohn wrote: in /etc/src.conf - WITHOUT_LPR=yes and these symbolic links in /usr/bin lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 17 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lp - /usr/local/bin/lp lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 24 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpoptions - /usr/local/bin/lpoptions lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 18 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpq - /usr/local/bin/lpq lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 18 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpr - /usr/local/bin/lpr lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 19 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lprm - /usr/local/bin/lprm lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 21 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpstat - /usr/local/bin/lpstat and /usr/bin is _before_ /usr/local/bin in my PATH. Since you have /usr/local/bin in your path, why bother with the symlinks at all? Your shell will find them in their new locations just fine. You'll want to remove the old ones from /usr/bin, but make delete-old will probably do that nicely anyway. Cheers, -- Andrew make delete-old removes old deprecated files, not files that weren't built because of src.conf options. It definitely will not remove the lpr binaries from /usr/bin if they exist there. There already is a proper solution for this: if you want to have LPR from CUPS, and don't want to use LPR from base, then you set these settings in make.conf: CUPS_OVERWRITE_BASE=yes WITHOUT_LPR=yes With these, lpr in base will not be built, and print/cups-base will deactivate any base system lpr binaries that are installed. It's documented in the FreeBSD CUPS article here: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/cups/article.html#PRINTING-CUPS-PORTS-KNOBS Cheers Tom ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: using cupsd instead of base lpr [was Re: [HEADS UP] Kernel modules don't work properly in FreeBSD 8.1-RC1 (solved)]
Tom Evans ha scritto: make delete-old removes old deprecated files, not files that weren't built because of src.conf options. I think you are wrong: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/tools/build/mk/OptionalObsoleteFiles.inc?rev=1.66 -- Alex Dupre ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: using cupsd instead of base lpr [was Re: [HEADS UP] Kernel modules don't work properly in FreeBSD 8.1-RC1 (solved)]
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Alex Dupre a...@freebsd.org wrote: Tom Evans ha scritto: make delete-old removes old deprecated files, not files that weren't built because of src.conf options. I think you are wrong: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/tools/build/mk/OptionalObsoleteFiles.inc?rev=1.66 -- Alex Dupre Meh, OK. It didn't used to, there was a discussion about this about 6 months ago, and yes, check the history of that file. This support was added in February, nothing in /usr/src/UPDATING about it.. Still, besides the point. There is one supported way to get cups-base lpr used instead of base lpr, and it's got not much to do with 'make delete-old'. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/cups/article.html#PRINTING-CUPS-PORTS-KNOBS Cheers Tom ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: using cupsd instead of base lpr [was Re: [HEADS UP] Kernel modules don't work properly in FreeBSD 8.1-RC1 (solved)]
On 24 Jun 2010, at 9:23, Gary Jennejohn wrote: On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 18:15:09 -0700 Ted Faber fa...@isi.edu wrote: (/usr/local/bin/ preceeds /usr/bin in my path so I can use the lpr commands from cupsd, though it's evidently a bit of a dangerous idea.) [trimmed Cc] I use cupsd and have these settings to get around using the base system lp stuff: in /etc/src.conf - WITHOUT_LPR=yes and these symbolic links in /usr/bin lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 17 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lp - /usr/local/bin/lp lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 24 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpoptions - /usr/local/bin/lpoptions lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 18 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpq - /usr/local/bin/lpq lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 18 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpr - /usr/local/bin/lpr lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 19 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lprm - /usr/local/bin/lprm lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 21 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpstat - /usr/local/bin/lpstat and /usr/bin is _before_ /usr/local/bin in my PATH. Wouldn't it be easier to alias those commands instead of physically replacing them? In my .tcshrc I have: alias lp/usr/local/bin/lp alias lpq /usr/local/bin/lpq alias lpr /usr/local/bin/lpr alias lprm /usr/local/bin/lprm I only have /usr/local/bin/lpoptions on my system (7-STABLE), so I guess that's exclusive to CUPS, hence no need for me to alias it. Alban Hertroys -- Screwing up is an excellent way to attach something to the ceiling. !DSPAM:,4c2317b8286214077543485! ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: using cupsd instead of base lpr [was Re: [HEADS UP] Kernel modules don't work properly in FreeBSD 8.1-RC1 (solved)]
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 09:23:37AM +0200, Gary Jennejohn wrote: in /etc/src.conf - WITHOUT_LPR=yes and these symbolic links in /usr/bin lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 17 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lp - /usr/local/bin/lp lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 24 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpoptions - /usr/local/bin/lpoptions lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 18 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpq - /usr/local/bin/lpq lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 18 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpr - /usr/local/bin/lpr lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 19 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lprm - /usr/local/bin/lprm lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 21 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpstat - /usr/local/bin/lpstat and /usr/bin is _before_ /usr/local/bin in my PATH. Since you have /usr/local/bin in your path, why bother with the symlinks at all? Your shell will find them in their new locations just fine. You'll want to remove the old ones from /usr/bin, but make delete-old will probably do that nicely anyway. Cheers, -- Andrew ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: using cupsd instead of base lpr [was Re: [HEADS UP] Kernel modules don't work properly in FreeBSD 8.1-RC1 (solved)]
* Andrew Reilly arei...@bigpond.net.au wrote: On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 09:23:37AM +0200, Gary Jennejohn wrote: in /etc/src.conf - WITHOUT_LPR=yes and these symbolic links in /usr/bin lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 17 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lp - /usr/local/bin/lp lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 24 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpoptions - /usr/local/bin/lpoptions lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 18 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpq - /usr/local/bin/lpq lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 18 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpr - /usr/local/bin/lpr lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 19 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lprm - /usr/local/bin/lprm lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 21 Mar 18 2009 /usr/bin/lpstat - /usr/local/bin/lpstat and /usr/bin is _before_ /usr/local/bin in my PATH. Since you have /usr/local/bin in your path, why bother with the symlinks at all? Your shell will find them in their new locations just fine. You'll want to remove the old ones from /usr/bin, but make delete-old will probably do that nicely anyway. In theory, yes. In practice, no. Just for fun, remove your /usr/sbin/sendmail while having Postfix's /usr/local/sbin/sendmail installed. It simply won't work. If I remember correctly, you won't even receive the periodic(8) emails. Nowadays it's probably better, but I remember in the old days GNOME would always print through /usr/bin/lpr, even when CUPS is installed. -- Ed Schouten e...@80386.nl WWW: http://80386.nl/ pgpNgoKSxOgsT.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: using cupsd instead of base lpr [was Re: [HEADS UP] Kernel modules don't work properly in FreeBSD 8.1-RC1 (solved)]
* Mike Meyer m...@mired.org wrote: Maybe it's time for /usr/sbin/lpwrapper, to do the same thing for print systems? In my opinion, we should just rename mailwrapper to whateverwrapper and list the lpr programs in there as well. -- Ed Schouten e...@80386.nl WWW: http://80386.nl/ pgpn1LzLEWm9v.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: using cupsd instead of base lpr
Ed Schouten e...@80386.nl writes: In my opinion, we should just rename mailwrapper to whateverwrapper and list the lpr programs in there as well. Take a look at /etc/alternatives in any Debian-based Linux distro... DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - d...@des.no ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-hackers-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: using cupsd instead of base lpr [was Re: [HEADS UP] Kernel modules don't work properly in FreeBSD 8.1-RC1 (solved)]
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 09:40:00AM +0100, Tom Evans wrote: I also have this in make.conf: CUPS_OVERWRITE_BASE=yes WITHOUT_LPR=yes which print/cups-base uses to do make any lpr related binaries in /usr/bin non-executable, so they are skipped over and the cups specific ones in /usr/loca/bin are used instead. WITHOUT_LPR just stops LPR being built by buildworld. The clear winner, and one I was unaware of. Thanks, Tom. -- Ted Faber http://www.isi.edu/~faber PGP: http://www.isi.edu/~faber/pubkeys.asc Unexpected attachment on this mail? See http://www.isi.edu/~faber/FAQ.html#SIG pgpBnQb7UNzNh.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: using cupsd instead of base lpr
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 03:56:56PM +0200, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: Ed Schouten e...@80386.nl writes: In my opinion, we should just rename mailwrapper to whateverwrapper and list the lpr programs in there as well. Take a look at /etc/alternatives in any Debian-based Linux distro... Yeah, that's actually something I've long wondered about implementing; shouldn't be too hard, really. Never found the tuits, though :) For those who don't know what the idea is: /usr/bin/ftp is a symlink to /etc/alternatives/ftp, which in its turn is a symlink to /usr/bin/tnftp. The /etc/alternatives/ links are maintained by the update-alternatives utility which knows about priorities, defaults, slave symlinks (e.g. if the ftp(1) utility's symlink changes, it would be best to also change the ftp.1.gz manpage symlink, wouldn't it?), and a whole lot more. From a user's standpoint, all you have to do is install a package that declares a higher-priority alternative, and update-alternatives switches the symlink behind the scenes (unless you have explicitly specified one of the choices). If you don't like that, run update-alternatives by hand, and your choice is honored even if later a package with an even higher priority is installed. G'luck, Peter -- Peter Pentchev r...@space.bgr...@ringlet.netr...@freebsd.org PGP key:http://people.FreeBSD.org/~roam/roam.key.asc Key fingerprint FDBA FD79 C26F 3C51 C95E DF9E ED18 B68D 1619 4553 Hey, out there - is it *you* reading me, or is it someone else? signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: using cupsd instead of base lpr [was Re: [HEADS UP] Kernel modules don't work properly in FreeBSD 8.1-RC1 (solved)]
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 08:29:57AM -0700, Ted Faber wrote: On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 09:40:00AM +0100, Tom Evans wrote: I also have this in make.conf: CUPS_OVERWRITE_BASE=yes WITHOUT_LPR=yes which print/cups-base uses to do make any lpr related binaries in /usr/bin non-executable, so they are skipped over and the cups specific ones in /usr/loca/bin are used instead. WITHOUT_LPR just stops LPR being built by buildworld. The clear winner, and one I was unaware of. Thanks, Tom. CUPS_OVERWRITE_BASE seems to do an odd thing. It doesn't install the cups binaries in /usr/bin, but it does do a chmod on everything it replaces in /usr/bin . For example praxis:~$ ls -l /usr/bin/lpr -r-sr-sr-x 1 root daemon 29876 Jun 24 09:16 /usr/bin/lpr # portupgrade -f cups-base-1.4.3 praxis:~$ ls -l /usr/bin/lpr -- 1 root daemon 29876 Jun 24 09:16 /usr/bin/lpr I'll still use it, but interesting behavior. -- Ted Faber http://www.isi.edu/~faber PGP: http://www.isi.edu/~faber/pubkeys.asc Unexpected attachment on this mail? See http://www.isi.edu/~faber/FAQ.html#SIG pgpJ2UHzloYfq.pgp Description: PGP signature
