General questions regarding FreeBSD 10
General questions regarding FreeBSD 10: 1. Did virtualization containers (VPS) make it into FreeBSD 10? The documentation I’ve read implies that you can have nested containers, with little to no performance penalty, is this correct? How is networking handled inside these containers? 2. I'm assuming jails still exist in FreeBSD (I haven’t used BSD in a long time), how do they relate, or fit in, with VPS and Bhyve offerings? Is Xen Dom0 or KVM available on FreeBSD? 3. Can Bhyve be used with processors that don't support Extended Page Tables? For example, Xeon 5400 series processors? 4. How well does FreeBSD 10 run as a VMware vsphere , KVM, and/or Xen guest? 5: For Jails, VPS, and Bhyve, what is the footprint (i.e. memory overhead) for each implementation? 6. How stable is FreeBSD's ZFS implementation, relative to Solaris? What zpool version is in FreeBSD 10? Is LZ4 the default compression mode? 7. Is Clang and the build system setup to automatically target cpu instruction set? i.e. cc -target-cpu corei7-avx? Any performance improvements of targeted binaries? 8. Has ports management gotten any better, specifically upgrading ports? Can applications be self contained, like on the Mac, yet? Any work on rollback with ZFS? 9. I recall device support being a large hurtle for me in the past. How far behind is driver development relative to Linux, for server equipment? Has there been any community interest in porting FreeBSD (world) to Linux (kernel)? 10. How is the Java ecosystem on FreeBSD? Is LLVM specific to applications? I make the assumption that the VM in LLVM is referring to something like a JVM, for code abstraction. I haven’t used FreeBSD in ages. However, VPS, with ZFS, has me really excited; I don’t enjoy Solaris, and Enterprise Linux is still stuck in 2009, with kernel 2.6.32. I can’t find any modern linux distributions that are as reliable as I remember FreeBSD was. It’s really sad. Thanks! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)
We need to start hounding on AMD to publish the developer documentation for all radeon chipsets. I for one will not buy any AMD or ATI components until they decide to fix the problem. Here's the email address of AMD's president: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Give him your two cents. On 3/12/07, Daniel O'Connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 13 March 2007 05:10, Yann Golanski wrote: I have an ATI Radeon X1950 Sapphire and I am trying to get X/FreeBSD working with it. My system is a clean install of FreBSD. I've managed to get VESA to work but cannot get much more than that. There is no open source support for this card (alas). It's VESA or fglrx. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Howmany CPU Does FreeBSD Support ?
On 3/12/07, Ivan Voras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vulpes Velox wrote: That is only true if the process is giant locked. When look at dmesg, look for things that say GIANT-LOCKED and those will be ones confined to one processor. Which happens to include all SCSI devices I've encountered... sigh. And it's NOT rare to see giant locked processes on a heavily loaded web server. No Giants Here: arcmsr0: Areca SATA Host Adapter RAID Controller (RAID6 capable) mem 0xc840-0xc8400fff,0xc880-0xc8bf irq 16 at device 14.0 on pci10 ARECA RAID ADAPTER0: Driver Version 1.20.00.13 2006-8-18 ARECA RAID ADAPTER0: FIRMWARE VERSION V1.41 2006-5-24 pass1 at arcmsr0 bus 0 target 16 lun 0 pass1: Areca RAID controller R001 Fixed Processor SCSI-0 device da0 at arcmsr0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Areca ARC-1220-VOL#00 R001 Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device da0: 166.666MB/s transfers (83.333MHz, offset 32, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da0: 1430511MB (2929687040 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 182364C) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Howmany CPU Does FreeBSD Support ?
On 3/12/07, Ivan Voras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nikolas Britton wrote: On 3/12/07, Ivan Voras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which happens to include all SCSI devices I've encountered... sigh. And it's NOT rare to see giant locked processes on a heavily loaded web server. No Giants Here: arcmsr0: Areca SATA Host Adapter RAID Controller (RAID6 capable) mem 0xc840-0xc8400fff,0xc880-0xc8bf irq 16 at device 14.0 I've never had an ARECA card :) They use Intel's XScale I/O Processors and they can do RAID6, with RAID6 you can have two simultaneous drive failures an still be ok. Very good / fast / expensive cards... a fully decked out ARC-1280ML will set you back 2 grand, worth every penny. http://www.intel.com/design/iio/index.htm US Distributor for Areca products: http://www.topmicrousa.com/areca-raid-cards.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RESEND: Re: BSDstats report for Mar 1st, 2006
On 3/4/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: suggested adding a prompt to sysinstall asking if ppl wanted to participate, and the response I heard was that someone basically needed to submit a patch ... anyone here know enough about sysinstall to do so? If considering work on sysinstall to improve the stats, how about fixing some of the pitfalls that drive away prospective new users? (IOW increase the actual number of installations rather than just the fraction that get reported.) Do we enough samples to accurately estimate the population using statistics, and do we have any numbers for the total BSD user-base and system-base? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: duo core question
On 1/16/07, Tsu-Fan Cheng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, just chat here... how much faster will a duo core CPU gives me when running freebsd, nothing optimised.. 1. You need to rebuild the kernel with SMP support. 2. The correct names are; Core Duo, Core 2 Duo, Core Solo, and Core 2 Solo. 3. Add this to /etc/make.conf: CPUTYPE?=pentium3 CFLAGS+= -mtune=prescott COPTFLAGS+= -mtune=prescott * Change prescott to nocona if you have a Core 2 chip, although it doesn't really matter, EM64T support is ignored with FreeBSD/i386 and it's on by default with FreeBSD/AMD64. Moreover it's only being used with -mtune which means it does not change the ABI or the set of available instructions Those two are set via CPUTYPE and -march=cpu-type... don't set CPUTYPE or -march higher then pentium3 because higher settings have been known to screw up stuff at compile time. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Best way to kill pixels?
On 1/15/07, [LoN]Kamikaze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nikolas Britton wrote: What's the best way to make more dead pixels on an LCD display?... So a manufacturer will be forced to replace it. Would a high voltage static discharge through the panel work? Would it leave physical evidence of tempering, like melted silicon? Thanks. You sure will get advice on commiting a fraud here. It's not fraud... Ok it is fraud. It's fraudulent that a manufacturer can get away with selling defective units. Would you demand a replacement if you where sold a defective microprocessor? 290 billion transistors in Intel's Core 2 Duo. 2 million transistors in an LCD display. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Best way to kill pixels?
What's the best way to make more dead pixels on an LCD display?... So a manufacturer will be forced to replace it. Would a high voltage static discharge through the panel work? Would it leave physical evidence of tempering, like melted silicon? Thanks. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?
On 1/11/07, Bill-Schoolcraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At Thu, 11 Jan 2007 it looks like Nikolas Britton composed: On 1/10/07, Jeff Mohler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dunno..Linux got _somewhere_ before big money came into it. Like I said..when Fbsd 2.5 was light _years_ ahead of Linux..sometime after that, focus was lost. USL v. BSDi happened. I'm not that informed historically and was glad to get this little tidbit a while ago when tracking down the history of Unix/Linux... http://wiliweld.com/history.jpg The differences between the GPL and BSD licenses come into play as well. I'm sure it was a combination of the lawsuit, license, and marketing at the right moments that gave Linux the huge lead it has now... and had nothing to do with it being better. With all the code locked up in the GPL license today it will be impossible for the BSD's to ever out code Linux... We lost this battle... Guerrilla tactics are needed now, but the old crusties in the group still think we have a chance using the antiquated ones. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?
On 1/10/07, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 01:12:46AM -0600, Nikolas Britton wrote: On 1/10/07, Rico Secada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 00:01:51 -0600 Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FreeBSD is created and supported by volunteers. Seems like you just posted a nice list of things for you to get busy and contribute. I don't have time to contribute work, I have a business to manage as well as other obligations that come first... I need this stuff to just work... so I can get real things done. So you need people to work freely, without any pay, to make things work for you, so you can complain when something isn't working like you want it to!? So you can get real things done!? If you have a business to manage, and just need this to work, made by people who contribute for free, maybe its time you start to pay someone!? Repost: I'm more then willing to pay real money to support the sub-projects that are of interest to me. I need to see some real progress being made in return though. Feel free to start working on any of the problems I listed. When you have something to show me I'll send some cash. Maybe core needs to make it easier to direct are funds to the sub-projects of are choice and still qualify it as a deductible expense. You know how unconvincing that sounds, right? What successful projects have you paid the authors for after the fact, in the past? Ok then. Start with a written plan with measurable goals and milestones. As far as passed sub-projects I've helped fund... not many as it's not tax deductible. And If I send money to the main project (this is tax deductible) I have no control over the distribution of my funds to the people or sub-projects I want to support. It's a no win situation. Solve it and you'll solve your funding problems. How does Linux handle these types of funding issues? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?
On 1/10/07, Greg 'groggy' Lehey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [irrelevant cruft removed] On Tuesday, 9 January 2007 at 23:54:02 -0600, Nikolas Britton wrote: On 1/9/07, Greg 'groggy' Lehey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday, 9 January 2007 at 17:08:45 -0600, Nikolas Britton wrote: Why should I continue using FreeBSD when the project never delivers on it promises? You shouldn't. You obviously don't understand the issues. We don't owe you anything. Play an active part or go away. Fuck off Greg, You've proved my assumptions. Clearly you don't want to play an active part. Go away. You may learn to grow up elsewhere, though I wouldn't bet on it. Sincerely. You've got to be joking. I'm going to answer why I said what I said above with a parallel example that hopefully points out one of the problems with some, conservative, members of the FreeBSD community... Why Won't God Heal Amputees? It's a simple question, isn't it? We all know that amputated legs do not spontaneously regenerate in response to prayer. Amputees get no miracles from God. If you are an intelligent person, you have to admit that it's an interesting question: - On the one hand, you believe that God answers prayers and performs miracles. - On the other hand, you know that God completely ignores amputees when they pray for miracles. How do you deal with this discrepancy? As an intelligent Christian, you have to deal with it, because it makes no sense. In order to handle it, notice that you have to create some kind of rationalization. You have to invent an excuse on God's behalf to explain this strange fact of life. You might say: Well God must have some kind of special plan for amputees. So you invent your excuse, whatever it is, and then you stop thinking about it because it is uncomfortable. Here's another example. As a Christian, you believe that God cares about you and answers your prayers. So the second question is: Why are there so many starving people in our world? Look out at are world and notice that millions of children are dieing of starvation, It really is horrific. Why would God be worried about you getting a raise, while at the same time ignoring the prayers of these desperate, innocent little children? It really doesn't make any sense, does it? Why would a loving god do this? To explain it, you have to come up with some sort of very strange excuse for God. Like: God wants these children to suffer and die for some divine, mysterious reason. Then you push it out of your mind because it absolutely does not fit with your view of a loving, caring God. Do you see what has happened here? When we assume that God exist, the answers to these questions make absolutely no sense. But if we assume that God is imaginary, our world makes complete sense. It's interesting, isn't it? Actually, it's more than interesting. It is incredibly important. Our world only makes sense when we understand that God is imaginary. This is how intelligent, rational people know that God is imaginary. When you use your brain, and when you think logically about your religious faith, you can reach only one possible conclusion... The god that you have heard about since you were an infant is completely imaginary. You have to willfully discard rationality, and accept hundreds of bizarre rationalizations to believe in your god. Why should you care? What difference does it make if people want to believe in a god, even if he is imaginary? It matters because people who believe in imaginary beings are delusional. It matters because people who talk to imaginary beings are delusional. It matters because people who believe in imaginary superstitions like prayer are delusional. It's that simple, and that obvious. Your religious beliefs hurt you personally and hurt us as a species because they are delusional. As Carl Sagan once said: It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?
On 1/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe core needs to make it easier to direct are funds to the sub-projects of are choice and still qualify it as a deductible expense. For accounting/tax purposes, aren't salary and benefits just as deductible as contributions? Hire someone qualified as your own full- or part-time employee, and assign them to work on the projects that you want to support. As just one example, that's effectively Red Hat's entire operation AFAIK. Interesting... I'm not sure the owner would go for it though. Maybe a 1099 contractor. Would anyone in the group at large be interested in arrangements such as this? What kind of money (rate) would you expect if you got payed to work on stuff your already working on in your spare time? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: /etc/make.conf CPUTYPE question (nacona vs. pentium4)
On 1/9/07, Oliver Fromme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
I'm trying to write an appropriate CPUTYPE entry for
/etc/make.conf for the following machine:
CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz (2799.95-MHz 686-class CPU)
Origin = GenuineIntel Id = 0xf41 Stepping = 1
Features=0xbfebfbffFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,
SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CLFLUSH,
DTS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE
Features2=0x441dSSE3,RSVD2,MON,DS_CPL,CNTX-ID,b14
Logical CPUs per core: 2
I've read the appropriate sections in the make.conf(5)
manpage, /usr/share/examples/etc/make.conf and even
/usr/share/mk/bsd.cpu.mk, but they don't really help.
So far I've been using CPUTYPE=pentium4, but I wonder
if nocona would be better, however I'm not sure if my
CPU above qualifies as a nocona one. I think the main
difference is that nocona supports SSE3, and SSE3 is
indeed listed in the CPU features above, so ...
Does anybody know for sure? Thank you very much in advance!
Best regards
Oliver
nocona I believe added 64-bit extensions to the processor. Does your
processor have 64-bit extensions? A better make.conf would be
something like this though:
CPUTYPE?=pentium3
CFLAGS+= -mtune=nocona
COPTFLAGS+= -mtune=nocona
or
CPUTYPE?=pentium3
CFLAGS+= -mtune=prescott
COPTFLAGS+= -mtune=prescott
then use an if endif block to override system wide settings, such as
with this example:
.if ${.CURDIR:M*/databases/mysql*}
BROKEN=yes
.endif
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Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?
On 1/10/07, Robert Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nikolas Britton writes: For accounting/tax purposes, aren't salary and benefits just as deductible as contributions? Hire someone qualified as your own full- or part-time employee, and assign them to work on the projects that you want to support. As just one example, that's effectively Red Hat's entire operation AFAIK. Interesting... I'm not sure the owner would go for it though. Maybe a 1099 contractor. Would anyone in the group at large be interested in arrangements such as this? Consider looking up the developers who most recently worked on the projects of interest; if they're not available, perhaps they can recommend someone. What kind of money (rate) would you expect if you got payed to work on stuff your already working on in your spare time? Unless you have a fairy godparent, expect to pay standard commercial rates based on the task and the qualifications of the programmer. Well that's just it... No way we could afford full rates, If we could we would hire someone off the street to program x, y, and z to are liking. I was talking about supporting someone who is already working on x, y, and z because they have an itch to scratch... To help them scratch that itch faster... What kind of funding would this type of person need? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?
On 1/10/07, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/01/07, Josef Grosch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 10:44:36AM -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 12:01:51AM -0600, Nikolas Britton wrote: On 1/9/07, Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FreeBSD is created and supported by volunteers. Seems like you just posted a nice list of things for you to get busy and contribute. I don't have time to contribute work, I have a business to manage as well as other obligations that come first... I need this stuff to just work... so I can get real things done. Yah, well the people doing it are also busy and working at things which are supposed to make them a living. Most make their FreeBSD contribution work on the side - in addition to their paying jobs although some are in the fortunate position of working for someone who recognizes it as also contributing to their productivity on the job. There are many ways to contribute. Not all are writing code. Some are in documentation and in other services. And, although it is a volunteer project, it does require money to support such things as servers and test machines and network access. So, if you cannot contribute time and effort and your business is so valuable, then consider contributing money - to support someone to work in the project, at least part time. If you only want to get something for nothing, then you live in the wrong world. Hear, hear. Nikolas, there are many things that FreeBSD need, a large number of them do not require programming. As a Christian here is a saying that I'm sure you are familiar with, It's better to light one candle than to curse the darkness. So brother Nikolas, what candles have you lit today? You certainly have produced a lot of smoke. One of the things you could have done instead of wasting your and our time on this thrash is to sit down a write a detailed description of some of the things you find lacking in FreeBSD. By detailed I mean a series of bullet points that describe what is the problem, what you tried, what your setup was, OS version, hardware configuration, etc. This would be a whole lot more helpful than standing on a street corner and screaming, FreeBSD is FUCKED! Linux is taking over! Many hands make lite work. Are you going to lend a hand or are you going to stand on the sidelines and tell us how we are screwing up. If it is going to be the latter please go away, we have more than our fair share of Monday morning quarterbacks. Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 6.1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Micro$oft free world | Berkeley, Ca. What I think freebsd needs. 1 - To fix stuff that works in linux but goes to crap in freebsd, one such example is NFS. 2 - A better installer, this is probably the biggest single thing that puts people of freebsd, the less people using freebsd the less funds likely to be recieved. Could you articulate on point 2?... I don't really see that as a problem. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?
On 1/10/07, Jeff Mohler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dunno..Linux got _somewhere_ before big money came into it. Like I said..when Fbsd 2.5 was light _years_ ahead of Linux..sometime after that, focus was lost. USL v. BSDi happened. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?
On 1/9/07, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 09:33:18AM -0800, Jim Pazarena wrote: http://farragut.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org/articles/2007/01/08/a-shadow-lies-upon-all-bsd-distributions - Gentoo/FreeBSD: license problems require a development pause http://farragut.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org/articles/2007/01/07/gentoo-freebsd-license-problems-requires-a-development-pause The big license mess, part 2 http://farragut.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org/articles/2007/01/07/the-big-license-mess-part-2 -- Gentoo/FreeBSD On Hold Due To Licensing Issues No. Kris Why then? Are you guys ever going to do something about Xorg DRI/DRM for Radeon cards, Java, and Flash support? More importantly: 1. Xen Dom0 support? 2. Fix SATA RAID driver problems? 3. Better chipset support for new 51xx Xeon and Core 2 Duo systems? 4. ZFS support? 5. Better support for 2TB, or greater, RAID arrays: (fsck, etc.)? 6. Speed up GigE and 10GigE stuff? checksum offloading, Interrupt load problems, packet processing speed, etc? 7. Better SMP support, GIANT lock in RAID/LAN drivers, etc... Why should I continue using FreeBSD when the project never delivers on it promises? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?
On 1/9/07, Peter Giessel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday, January 09, 2007, at 02:38PM, Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why then? Are you guys ever going to do something about Xorg DRI/DRM for Radeon cards, Java, and Flash support? More importantly: Why is another project's problems FreeBSD's problem? Xorg isn't even in the base system. It's FreeBSD's problem because Xorg doesn't hard lock the system on other systems. It's FreeBSD's problem because other systems don't have these problems. It's FreeBSD's problem because DRM/DRI is a part of the kernel. 2. Fix SATA RAID driver problems? If you buy a quality SATA Raid card, with quality support, this isn't an issue. 3ware regularly updates the drivers for their cards and regularly commits their updates back into the base system. Buy a cheep card, get cheep support, buy a quality card, get quality support. I agree that if you buy a cheap RAID card you get cheap support, which is why I buy $800 SATA RAID cards. I'm primarily talking about on motherboard RAID 1 solutions. Native SATA RAID 1 support in FreeBSD is in such disarray I not sure where to begin. How about reading and writing metadata and failing gracefully, without a system panic, when a drive momentary doesn't respond to commands. inband rebuilding after a failure would be nice as well... I'm tired of fucking around with this shit. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?
On 1/9/07, Garrett Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't know about some of the items, but... -Flash support with Mozilla products is being done through Mozilla's ActionScript Engine: http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressreleases/200611/110706Mozilla.html. So, I expect the latest version of Adobe's Flash Player to be supported on all Unix platforms to some extent in the future. Sound support will be interesting though. But I use Opera?? And It needs to work with youtube, without crashing and without install headaches. 'cd /usr/ports/www/flash; make install clean; exit;' then open browser to youtube.com and go. No library shuffle or libmap configuring. -Isn't Xen handled by the Xen project and not FreeBSD? Yes, and they have done their part. Now it's FreeBSD's turn to integrate the changes needed to the kernel into the kernel to make Dom0 support work. Linux has it, Solaris has it. NetBSD has it. Mac has it? FreeBSD does not have it. Server virtualization is the next big thing and FreeBSD has nothing going for it in this respect... Not even VMware or any of the other big players works with FreeBSD as a host OS. Seems like your comment (was related) but off-topic. It is off-topic... don't really care at this point. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?
On 1/9/07, Andreas Rudisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 00:08:45 +0100, Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why then? Are you guys ever going to do something about Xorg DRI/DRM for Radeon cards, Java, and Flash support? More importantly: Since when is Xorg a part of FreeBSD? Java ports / Java-diablo anyone? Java has come a long way as of late. Does FreeBSD still have that stupid click through thing to download java?... That needs to go if it's still there. Why should I continue using FreeBSD when the project never delivers on it promises? Noone is forcing you to do so. Let me restate that... I want to use FreeBSD, but the lack of progress is driving me and others away. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?
On 1/9/07, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You shouldn't! If you are that taken back - you certainly don't need the issues of a project that does not deliver on it's promises. On the other hand - feel free to use Microsoft's products because we all know that they tend to keep promises AND, as a extra bonus, create an ultra secure OS that never fails. And as an extra extra bonus - you have the luxury of paying a poop-load for all that ... and more! Well... I already did this about 2 months back. After 2 years of continuous desktop use (primary desktop) I ran into a problem (Xorg DRI) that just completely burned me out corrupted file system through multiple hard locks trying to debug FreeBSD). I broke down and installed XP. The project has lost me as a desktop user. I do really miss KDE, ports system, and the FreeBSD user tool chain but I cannot come back, I've already upgraded my desktop hardware beyond that of FreeBSD's capabilities. My servers are still 100% FreeBSD though... But I am not sure how much longer this will be true. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?
On 1/9/07, Greg 'groggy' Lehey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday, 9 January 2007 at 17:08:45 -0600, Nikolas Britton wrote: On 1/9/07, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 09:33:18AM -0800, Jim Pazarena wrote: http://farragut.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org/articles/2007/01/08/a-shadow-lies-upon-all-bsd-distributions - Gentoo/FreeBSD: license problems require a development pause http://farragut.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org/articles/2007/01/07/gentoo-freebsd-license-problems-requires-a-development-pause The big license mess, part 2 http://farragut.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org/articles/2007/01/07/the-big-license-mess-part-2 -- Gentoo/FreeBSD On Hold Due To Licensing Issues No. Why then? [bitch and moan session removed] Why should I continue using FreeBSD when the project never delivers on it promises? You shouldn't. You obviously don't understand the issues. We don't owe you anything. Play an active part or go away. Fuck off Greg, Sincerely. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?
On 1/9/07, Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FreeBSD is created and supported by volunteers. Seems like you just posted a nice list of things for you to get busy and contribute. I don't have time to contribute work, I have a business to manage as well as other obligations that come first... I need this stuff to just work... so I can get real things done. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?
On 1/9/07, Jeff Mohler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fbsd needs SAN support before it can cope with virtualization..virtualization requires a lot of disk..spindles..and FCP/iSCSI is a great way to drive this condensation. I mean..when you have to read this list, and see people wonder which end of a SAN connection owns the responsibility for fsck'ing a SAN filesystem, I wonder how quickly I can bone up on Linux. In ten years at Network Appliance..wanna know exactly how many FreeBSD host installs ive seen besides Yahoo? 2. How many -non- Linux SAN configurations? Probly 80% of all SAN I see and work with are Linux based. Fbsd NFS client performance is 1/3'd that of a tuned linux box, can you say ../..? If you can, you know what its like to never have a valid directory attr cache on your mounts. (ick) Automount...dont even go there. Im in this for the long haul..I like Fbsd, and as long s lynx and apache still work on it, im happy. As for the future..I just dont see much serious future there unless it grows up. Rememer when Linux couldnt do _crap_ and Fbsd 2.5 was the bomb? I do...I want like to see that again. I'd like to see FreeBSD on top too, I really love and care for it but I'm very disappointed and ambivalent with the projects current state of affairs. I think one project that should be attempted is to get FreeBSD running on top of a Linux kernel. This could potently solve FreeBSD's biggest problems We could mold it (the Linux kernel) into are own kernel while still maintaining compatibility with the real Linux kernel tree. anyhow... it's something to think about. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?
On 1/9/07, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 09, 2007 at 05:07:08PM -0600, Nikolas Britton wrote: Why then? Various administrative delays, mostly. e.g. the main ftp distribution server had hardware failure for a few weeks. Shit happens and we did just change out the core team, specifically the release engineering team... so that's understandable... I guess my comment was mainly targeted at the general state of affairs for the last two years. Are you guys ever going to do something about Xorg DRI/DRM for Radeon cards, Java, and Flash support? More importantly: 1. Xen Dom0 support? 2. Fix SATA RAID driver problems? 3. Better chipset support for new 51xx Xeon and Core 2 Duo systems? 4. ZFS support? 5. Better support for 2TB, or greater, RAID arrays: (fsck, etc.)? 6. Speed up GigE and 10GigE stuff? checksum offloading, Interrupt load problems, packet processing speed, etc? 7. Better SMP support, GIANT lock in RAID/LAN drivers, etc... Some of these are already there, some are in progress, etc. I haven't been keeping track lately but that's good if true. Will see what happens when I upgrade my servers. Why should I continue using FreeBSD when the project never delivers on it promises? If you're unhappy, there's the door. Pandering to complainers isn't high on my personal list of interests. I am unhappy but I care too much about FreeBSD to just up and leave, it may be time for a sabbatical though... And I complain because I care... like a parent. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?
On 1/10/07, Colin Percival [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nikolas Britton wrote: I don't have time to contribute work, I have a business to manage as well as other obligations that come first... I need this stuff to just work... so I can get real things done. In other words, you want us to hurry up and do more unpaid work, so that you can make more money? Colin Percival PS. http://www.freebsd.org/donations/ PPS. http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/ I'm more then willing to pay real money to support the sub-projects that are of interest to me. I need to see some real progress being made in return though. Feel free to start working on any of the problems I listed. When you have something to show me I'll send some cash. Maybe core needs to make it easier to direct are funds to the sub-projects of are choice and still qualify it as a deductible expense. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?
On 1/10/07, Rico Secada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 00:01:51 -0600 Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FreeBSD is created and supported by volunteers. Seems like you just posted a nice list of things for you to get busy and contribute. I don't have time to contribute work, I have a business to manage as well as other obligations that come first... I need this stuff to just work... so I can get real things done. So you need people to work freely, without any pay, to make things work for you, so you can complain when something isn't working like you want it to!? So you can get real things done!? If you have a business to manage, and just need this to work, made by people who contribute for free, maybe its time you start to pay someone!? Repost: I'm more then willing to pay real money to support the sub-projects that are of interest to me. I need to see some real progress being made in return though. Feel free to start working on any of the problems I listed. When you have something to show me I'll send some cash. Maybe core needs to make it easier to direct are funds to the sub-projects of are choice and still qualify it as a deductible expense. Now just shut up and go away!!! No. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?
On 1/10/07, Rico Secada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 00:48:39 -0600 Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am unhappy but I care too much about FreeBSD to just up and leave, it may be time for a sabbatical though... And I complain because I care... like a parent. Trolling. Activism. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Downloading files from -CURRENT, How?
I'm trying grab a copy of /usr/src/sys/dev/sound and /usr/src/sys/modules/sound from HEAD so I can MFC a few things. I tried this, but it didn't work: $ more current-supfile *default host=cvsup12.us.FreeBSD.org *default base=/usr/src/HEAD/var/db *default prefix=/usr/src/HEAD/usr *default release=cvs tag=HEAD *default delete use-rel-suffix *default compress src-sys I'm not really sure of the best way to do it. Thanks. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Downloading files from -CURRENT, How?
On 10/22/06, Patrick Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nikolas Britton wrote: I'm trying grab a copy of /usr/src/sys/dev/sound and /usr/src/sys/modules/sound from HEAD so I can MFC a few things. I tried this, but it didn't work: $ more current-supfile *default host=cvsup12.us.FreeBSD.org *default base=/usr/src/HEAD/var/db *default prefix=/usr/src/HEAD/usr *default release=cvs tag=HEAD *default delete use-rel-suffix *default compress src-sys I'm not really sure of the best way to do it. Thanks. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Shouldn't that be *default release=cvs tag=. That is, a period instead of the word HEAD. Yea that worked, sorry for the noise. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Teletronics wlan 200mW card supported under 5.x?
On 10/16/06, Gordon Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone got the Teletronics XI-325HP 200mW PRISM 2.5-based PCMCIA card to work under freebsd 5.4, which I currently run? or 6.x? The Teletronics XI-325HP 200mW PRISM 2.5-based PCMCIA card is high on my list of possible cards with external antenna jacks to buy. Older reports say they had to flash firmware back to 1.5.6 on the card to get it working under Freebsd 4.x. Current firmware as sold now appears to be 1.8.4 or higher. Seems like a big jump backwards to take. Thats a rebranded zcom card, should have RP-MMCX antenna connector. It depend what you want to do with the card?, IIRC secondary firmware 1.8.4 / primary 1.1.1 doesn't support hostap mode... IIRC you'll have to reflash it with secondary 1.7.4 ~ 1.4.9 (I forget which is best) to get hostap mode working. I have all the firmware, utilites, and docs if you need them. Secondary firmware 1.7.4 and up supports WPA and 1.3.7 and up supports Prism 3 chipsets. I forget which firmwares supports 802.11d but I know 1.8.4 does. I think I have the secondary firmware changelog up to 1.4.9, primary firmware changelog up to 1.1.0 and a 2003 version of the driver programmers manual. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading firmware on Areca RAID card?
On 10/9/06, Bob Willcox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I would like to upgrade the firmware on my Areca ARC-1210 SATA RAID card. Has anyone out there done this, and if so, do you have any advice on doing it? I have downloaded a program called archttp32 that appears to be a FreeBSD 4.2 32-bit version of the Arec http proxy server but I really need a 64-bit version (I suppose that would be called archttp64), preferably build on FreeBSD 6.1 (or thereabouts). Any tips, pointers, advice, or warnings would be greatly appreciated. IIRC the new driver (1.20.00.12) supports automatic firmware upgrades. I have some patches floating around in the freebsd PR database that will sync the default driver (version 1.20.00.02) in FreeBSD 6.x to the latest areca sources, which is 1.20.00.12. I never tested this feature... It may blow your card up :-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading firmware on Areca RAID card?
On 10/9/06, Bob Willcox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I would like to upgrade the firmware on my Areca ARC-1210 SATA RAID card. Has anyone out there done this, and if so, do you have any advice on doing it? I have downloaded a program called archttp32 that appears to be a FreeBSD 4.2 32-bit version They work on FreeBSD 6.x/i386 with COMPAT_FREEBSD4 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Word processor for 6.1
On 9/5/06, Perry Hutchison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FreeBSD and Linux will not meet your teenagers needs, If you really want to introduce your kid to UNIX then buy a Mac... trust me on this... I interact with many high school and college kids on a daily basis. Any used Mac capable of running Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger and NeoOffice2 will suit your childs needs perfectly: PowerPC G3, G4, or G5 processor. Built-in FireWire. 384 MB of memory. 5 GB of disk space. It is less a matter of want to introduce to Unix than want to avoid Windoze :) and yes, a Mac with OS X would be fine. (My college sophomore is doing just fine with a one-year-old iBook.) Just keep in mind when you look for used Mac's that the Tiger OS normally on DVD ... If you can find an older copy of Panther OS it gives you lot more lattitude in what older Macs will work - it also does not require FireWire, so even the original iMacs will run it. Is Panther an earlier MacOS X (thus still marginally on-topic here :) or it MacOS 9? I have actually got an old PowerMAC (603-based) which AFAIK won't run anything newer than 9. Yes Panther is OS X: Mac OS X v10.0 (Cheetah) Mac OS X v10.1 (Puma) Mac OS X v10.2 (Jaguar) Mac OS X v10.3 (Panther) Mac OS X v10.4 (Tiger) Mac OS X v10.5 (Leopard) (Yet to be released) NeoOffice2 (NeoOffice is OpenOffice 2.x with a native mac front-end) requires Panther or better. Personally I would not buy anything less then Sawtooth G4 PowerMac. You should be able to buy a fully equipped sawtooth model on eBay for less then $250. The best bang for your buck would be a new refurbished Intel Mac mini for $519. This unit should take your child all the way through high school and then some, you can find it on Apple's refurb page here: http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wo/2.RSLID?mco=D8593B5Anclm=CertifiedMac A used G4 Mac mini in the $300~$400 range would also be good bed because all mini's have USB 2.0, it's very easy to expand them using external drives. Also: http://www.lowendmac.com/mini/minis.html http://www.lowendmac.com/ppc/g4saw.shtml http://www.apple.com/macosx/upgrade/requirements.html -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Word processor for 6.1
On 9/5/06, RW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 05 September 2006 09:35, Erik Norgaard wrote: In the standard-supfile for the base system you'd specify RELENG_6 which means you'll get head of -STABLE, or if you are conservative RELENG_6_1 which means that you'll just get security patches to the 6.1 release. I do wish people wouldn't give inexperienced users the impresssion that running 6-stable (RELENG_6 ) is the norm - this is a development branch. Unfortunately it does feel like the norm. My servers are running 6-STABLE because the hardware is not fully supported in 6.1-RELEASE. I had the same problems when 6.0-RELEASE was rolled out. Maybe we should cut 6.2 early? that or time are release dates so they match up with Intel's chipset release dates. -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Word processor for 6.1
On 9/5/06, Jerold McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nikolas Britton writes: On 9/4/06, Perry Hutchison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know where I can find a working word processor for 6.1? AbiWord and OpenOffice both require Gnome, which won't build. ... KOffice 1.5 has OpenDocument support. Not that I'm any more eager to get into a KDE mess than a Gnome mess :) File format support is not important. I just need something for my 9th-grader to use for school papers. FreeBSD and Linux will not meet your teenagers needs, If you really want to introduce your kid to UNIX then buy a Mac... trust me on this... I interact with many high school and college kids on a daily basis. Any used Mac capable of running Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger and NeoOffice2 will suit your childs needs perfectly: Please be more careful about advice you give that is really opinion. You completely missed the point, you of all people should know exactly what I'm talking about: http://acns.msu.edu/organization/academic/information_systems/ So close to the kids and yet completely out of touch with their needs. -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Best gigabit network interface for FreeBSD?
On 9/3/06, Brett Glass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was going to post this to net@, but figured I'd get a bigger audience and better answers on this list. (Please copy responses to me as well as the list to make sure I see them.) I'm building a machine which is going to have very high network loads, but can't really use a TCP/IP accelerator because much of the traffic won't be TCP. What, as of now, is the most capable gigabit Ethernet interface for FreeBSD? Which has the cleanest, simplest driver? The most onboard buffer space to prevent overruns and underruns? The fastest bus interface? The least interrupt overhead (important because interrupts in FreeBSD 6.x are relatively expensive)? I have some Intel em interfaces available to me, but have been told that while the driver is well supported they are quirky and not the best choice. Stay away from cards with a Marvell or RealTek chip. -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Word processor for 6.1
On 9/4/06, Perry Hutchison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know where I can find a working word processor for 6.1? AbiWord and OpenOffice both require Gnome, which won't build. richtext builds OK, but as soon as I try to select bold it writes 4 lines to stderr and drops core: Message backtrace: bold bold OutOfBounds: offset 0, size 0 ___ KOffice 1.5 has OpenDocument support. What's in your /etc/make.conf file and what part of gnome won't build? -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Word processor for 6.1
On 9/4/06, Perry Hutchison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know where I can find a working word processor for 6.1? AbiWord and OpenOffice both require Gnome, which won't build. ... KOffice 1.5 has OpenDocument support. Not that I'm any more eager to get into a KDE mess than a Gnome mess :) File format support is not important. I just need something for my 9th-grader to use for school papers. FreeBSD and Linux will not meet your teenagers needs, If you really want to introduce your kid to UNIX then buy a Mac... trust me on this... I interact with many high school and college kids on a daily basis. Any used Mac capable of running Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger and NeoOffice2 will suit your childs needs perfectly: PowerPC G3, G4, or G5 processor. Built-in FireWire. 384 MB of memory. 5 GB of disk space. http://www.lowendmac.com/ http://computers.attr-search.ebay.com/Gigabit_Apple-Desktops_PowerPC-G4_W0QQa10244ZQ2d24QQa12ZQ2d24QQa25710ZQ2d24QQa26092ZQ2d24QQa26443Z42211QQa26444ZQ2d24QQalistZa26092Q2ca26443Q2ca26444Q2ca25710Q2ca12Q2ca10244QQcatrefZC6QQcoactionZcompareQQcoentrypageZsearchQQcopagenumZ1QQfposZQ5AIPQ2fPostalQQfromZR10QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQftrtZ1QQftrvZ1QQftsZ2QQgcsZ1506QQpfZShowQ20ItemsQQpf_queryZGigabitQQpfidZ1812QQpfmodeZ1QQsacatZ25440QQsadisZ200QQsargnZQ2d1QQsaslcZ2QQsbrftogZ1QQsofocusZpf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sparkling Brand New FreeBSD Admin
On 9/2/06, Robert C Wittig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith Phipps wrote: Right now my biggest resources have to be google and the O'Reilly book Essential Sys. Admin. but I'd like to have a reference guide more suited to only the FreeBSD platform. Any recommendations on this as well? I found 'AbsoluteBSD' by Michael Lucas useful. I'll 2nd that. Also (In no particular order): http://www.lemis.com/grog/Documentation/CFBSD/ Unix Power Tools, 3rd. Edition. UNIX System Administration Handbook, 3rd Edition. BSD Hacks by Dru Lavigne. All of O'Reilly's Perl Books. The Design and Implementation of the FreeBSD Operating System by Marshall Kirk McKusick http://www.onlamp.com/bsd/ -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Force UDMA100 drive to UDMA33 or PIO4?
How do you force a UDMA100 drive to UDMA33 or PIO4 mode in FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BSDstats: Just added - Vendor Stats
On 8/27/06, Matthew Seaman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nikolas Britton wrote: What I think is interesting is the only ~50% uptake of FreeBSD/amd64 on 64-bit x86 capable systems. FreeBSD/i386 takes ~90% of the pie. Also the less then 1% uptake of sparc64 and alpha ports and 0% for FreeBSD/PPC. Maybe we should can some of these platform ports, how much overhead do they add to the project? Woah! It's way, way too soon to start making any decisions based on the bsdstats site. There's less than a thousand machines reporting stats so far -- that's a very small fraction of the FreeBSD total machines around the world. As it is a single small company or user with half a dozen machines submitting their data could have a radical effect on the ordering of many of the tables available on the site. The BSD Stats site is going to need some serious popularization before it provides a statistically significant sample. It would probably take getting the 300.bsdstats periodic job incorporated into the base system and having a 'please register your system' option fairly prominently displayed in the installer for several releases to make it really effective. I'm being devils advocate here, we don't need to make any rash decisions etc... It's just something to think about. -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Proof of concept box with 8mB RAM
On 8/27/06, hackmiester (Hunter Fuller) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everyone will laugh at this, but I have an old box with a 25mHz processor or so. It has 8mB of memory. I want to install some type of UNIX clone on it, as a proof of concept. I don't care if it's linux, freebsd, or something else, but I need something that will run with enough speed to run an sshd and not much else. It will just be to prove that old hardware can still be used. Any suggestions? ___ That box doesn't have enough memory to run a current version of FreeBSD or Linux. Also what CPU does it use? FreeBSD 6.x, and I'm sure Linux 2.6, removed 386 support. You need a 486 or better to run the current version of FreeBSD. Does this box have a math coprocessor? The recommended minimum requirements to run FreeBSD 6.1 is a Pentium MMX, or equivalent, with 32MB of system ram. You can get by with less but you won't like the results if you plan to use it as a workstation. Use FreeBSD 4.11-STABLE or 5.5-STABLE for anything less then that. I did some tests on disk space and memory requirements back in January with FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE. Nobody seemed to notice the first time so I'll post it again: Test Rig: VMware 5 (Win2K/NTFS), VM Settings: 32MB RAM 64MB RAM For KDE-Lite Install (failed with 32MB) 128MB RAM For GNOME-Lite Install (failed with 64MB) 4GB Hard Drive (Default settings) CD-ROM (Pointing to FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE i386 ISO Images) No USB, No Audio, No LAN FreeBSD Disk Layout: ad0s1a 4095MB / ufs2 ad0s1b nullswapnull ad0s1d null/varnull ad0s1e null/tmpnull ad0s1f null/usrnull Everything (/tmp, /var, and /usr) is setup on the root partition, no swap partition was setup. Results: * 1st column of numbers are from the VM disk image file. * 2nd column is from inside FreeBSD with du -m. * All numbers reported in megabytes. Distribution Sets: Developer 918 741 X-Developer 1080882 Kern-Developer 526 427 X-Kern-Developer690 568 User393 319 X-User 560 461 Minimal 183 156 Extrapolated Results: Ports System283 270 GNOME-Lite 688 655 KDE-Lite879 864 X.Org Default Install 164 143 X.Org Full Install 177 158 Linux Binary Compat.255 127 Sys Sources + Proflibs 392 315 Kern Sources + Proflibs 133 109 Miscellaneous Sets: X-User (All X.Org) 572 476 X-User + GNOME-Lite 12471115 X-User + KDE-Lite 14381323 Minimal + Ports System 466 425 Minimal + Linux Compat. 438 282 -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Proof of concept box with 8mB RAM
On 8/27/06, David Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 27, 2006, at 4:35 PM, hackmiester (Hunter Fuller) wrote: Everyone will laugh at this, but I have an old box with a 25mHz processor or so. It has 8mB of memory. I want to install some type of UNIX clone on it, as a proof of concept. I don't care if it's linux, freebsd, or something else, but I need something that will run with enough speed to run an sshd and not much else. It will just be to prove that old hardware can still be used. Any suggestions? Haven't booted it in a long time but have FreeBSD 2.1.0 or 2.1.5 on a 16 MHz 386sx16 with 4 MB of RAM. Has an 8 bit NE2000 NIC which required the NFS window be reduced to 1k or so. I used this as a portable FreeBSD netinstall box back in the bad old days before I could afford a CD-R, or even have CD-ROM on many machines. You could try FreeBSD 2.2.9! It was released April 1st 2006. Releases which are published from a -STABLE branch will be supported by the Security Officer for a minimum of 12 months after the release. http://www.freebsd.org/security/security.html#adv So technically it's a current and fully supported release of FreeBSD!!! hahahaha! :-0 -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Proof of concept box with 8mB RAM
I just tested the minimum memory requirements for FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE through 2.2.9-RELEASE using VMware 5 Workstation: FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE: 4MB, 8MB: Dies at bootstrap loader. 12MB, 16MB: Dies while loading acpi.ko. 20MB: Boots / Successfully installed the default minimal distribution set. Mem: 2484K Active, 1396K Iact, 6004K Wired, 680K Cache, 1984K Buf, 348K Free Swap: 7184K Total, 2732K Used, 4452K Free, 38% Inuse FreeBSD 5.5-RELEASE: 4MB, 8MB: Dies at bootstrap loader. 12MB, 16MB: Dies while loading acpi.ko. 20MB: Boots / Sysinstall dies after writing filesystem information. 24MB: Boots / Successfully installed the default minimal distribution set. Mem: 2332K Active, 1196K Iact, 9468K Wired, 1136K Cache, 3008K Buf, 840K Free Swap: 32M Total, 2748K Used, 29M Free, 8% Inuse FreeBSD 4.11-RELEASE: 4MB: Dies at bootstrap loader. 8MB: Dies while mounting root filesystem. 12MB: Boots / Successfully installed the default minimal distribution set. Mem: 1900K Active, 1408K Iact, 2896K Wired, 472K Cache, 1120K Buf, 308K Free Swap: 32M Total, 2576K Used, 29M Free, 7% Inuse FreeBSD 3.5.1-RELEASE: 4MB: Dies at bootstrap loader. 8MB: Boots / Sysinstall dies while extracting files. 12MB: Boots / Successfully installed the default minimal distribution set. Mem: 712K Active, 3780K Iact, 2092K Wired, 2024K Cache, 809K Buf, 520K Free Swap: 29M Total, 29M Free FreeBSD 2.2.9-RELEASE: 4MB: Boots / Sysinstall dies while probing devices. 8MB: Boots / Successfully installed the default minimal distribution set. Mem: 3764K Active, 432K Iact, 1472K Wired, 244K Cache, 420K Buf, 184K Free Swap: 42M Total, 64K Used, 42M Free ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FreeBSD's minimum memory requirements.
I just tested the minimum memory requirements for FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE through 2.2.9-RELEASE using VMware 5 Workstation: FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE: 4MB, 8MB: Dies at bootstrap loader. 12MB, 16MB: Dies while loading acpi.ko. 20MB: Boots / Successfully installed the default minimal distribution set. Mem: 2484K Active, 1396K Iact, 6004K Wired, 680K Cache, 1984K Buf, 348K Free Swap: 7184K Total, 2732K Used, 4452K Free, 38% Inuse FreeBSD 5.5-RELEASE: 4MB, 8MB: Dies at bootstrap loader. 12MB, 16MB: Dies while loading acpi.ko. 20MB: Boots / Sysinstall dies after writing filesystem information. 24MB: Boots / Successfully installed the default minimal distribution set. Mem: 2332K Active, 1196K Iact, 9468K Wired, 1136K Cache, 3008K Buf, 840K Free Swap: 32M Total, 2748K Used, 29M Free, 8% Inuse FreeBSD 4.11-RELEASE: 4MB: Dies at bootstrap loader. 8MB: Dies while mounting root filesystem. 12MB: Boots / Successfully installed the default minimal distribution set. Mem: 1900K Active, 1408K Iact, 2896K Wired, 472K Cache, 1120K Buf, 308K Free Swap: 32M Total, 2576K Used, 29M Free, 7% Inuse FreeBSD 3.5.1-RELEASE: 4MB: Dies at bootstrap loader. 8MB: Boots / Sysinstall dies while extracting files. 12MB: Boots / Successfully installed the default minimal distribution set. Mem: 712K Active, 3780K Iact, 2092K Wired, 2024K Cache, 809K Buf, 520K Free Swap: 29M Total, 29M Free FreeBSD 2.2.9-RELEASE: 4MB: Boots / Sysinstall dies while probing devices. 8MB: Boots / Successfully installed the default minimal distribution set. Mem: 3764K Active, 432K Iact, 1472K Wired, 244K Cache, 420K Buf, 184K Free Swap: 42M Total, 64K Used, 42M Free I also did a minimum disk space study using FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE back in January: * 1st column of numbers are from the VM disk image file, outside FreeBSD. This is significant because it records the total disk space FreeBSD needed *during* install. * 2nd column is from inside FreeBSD with du -m after install. * All numbers reported in megabytes. Distribution Sets: Developer 918 741 X-Developer 1080882 Kern-Developer 526 427 X-Kern-Developer690 568 User393 319 X-User 560 461 Minimal 183 156 Extrapolated Results: Ports System283 270 GNOME-Lite 688 655 KDE-Lite879 864 X.Org Default Install 164 143 X.Org Full Install 177 158 Linux Binary Compat.255 127 Sys Sources + Proflibs 392 315 Kern Sources + Proflibs 133 109 Miscellaneous Sets: X-User (All X.Org) 572 476 X-User + GNOME-Lite 12471115 X-User + KDE-Lite 14381323 Minimal + Ports System 466 425 Minimal + Linux Compat. 438 282 -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: When will KDE4 be in the ports tree?
On 8/26/06, Gerard Seibert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steven Lake wrote: Just curious when to start expecting to see KDE4 in the ports tree for Freebsd. From the reports I've been seeing, it's pretty close to being released soon. So the curiosity bug bit me and I decided to ask here. :) Most likely it will be available shortly after it is officially released. According to what is available on the KDE site, that might not be for quite a while yet. I would like to see a kde4-devel port... IIRC the first KDE4 developer builds have already been released. -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Commercial Software
On 8/26/06, shankar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I quote you from your page: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributing/index.html Commercial entities engaged in FreeBSD-related enterprises are also encouraged to contact us. I am a software writer, my website is http://www.shankar-software.org I want to port my business software to other operating systems. Linux seemed the obvious first choice. After studying it for the past one month I am completely vexed by the gnu licenses covering their glibc libraries. It seems that if I want to port my software to linux, I have to write my own libc libraries (which is a highly time consuming effort) or not-object to giving my software under terms that almost strips me of all rights. Use QT: http://www.trolltech.com/products/qt If you buy a commercial license from trolltech you can do whatever you want with your software, plus QT runs on every popular OS; Qt/Windows, Qt/X11, and Qt/Mac. The KDE project uses QT. -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BSDstats: Just added - Vendor Stats
On 8/26/06, Atom Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/26/06, Darrin Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 10:43:38PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: Neat to see nVidia *much* more popular then ATI though ... Really? Why is that neat? nVidia restricts your choices through their staunch refusal to provide open specs. They are not nice players in this game. At least there's some hope about ATI after the AMD deal. Probably because the /good/ AMD boards use an nVidia chipsets. ( eg, the K8N) What I think is interesting is the only ~50% uptake of FreeBSD/amd64 on 64-bit x86 capable systems. FreeBSD/i386 takes ~90% of the pie. Also the less then 1% uptake of sparc64 and alpha ports and 0% for FreeBSD/PPC. Maybe we should can some of these platform ports, how much overhead do they add to the project? -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Add colored border around console?
On 8/21/06, perikillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/20/06, Alexey Mikhailov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nikolas Britton wrote: What I want is the colored border around the console window... I have no clue how to do it, /dev/random made the border you see the photo! I let it run all night to generate interrupt load as part of a system stress test. I think you need to use vidcontrol. So man vidcontrol and look for -b option. I have this: /etc/rc.conf allscreens_flags=-f 8x8 iso-8x8 -b red -mode 80x60 green black Just check which video modes support your video adapter, some video cards that i have been using dosent support this settings. Thanks. -b doesn't work, which is weird because this is the same system that /dev/random made the border on. I also wanted each side of the border to be a different color... like the one you see in the photo. What I really want is to duplicate what was in the photo. What about gettytab? -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Add colored border around console?
On 8/21/06, Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/21/06, perikillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/20/06, Alexey Mikhailov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nikolas Britton wrote: What I want is the colored border around the console window... I have no clue how to do it, /dev/random made the border you see the photo! I let it run all night to generate interrupt load as part of a system stress test. I think you need to use vidcontrol. So man vidcontrol and look for -b option. I have this: /etc/rc.conf allscreens_flags=-f 8x8 iso-8x8 -b red -mode 80x60 green black Just check which video modes support your video adapter, some video cards that i have been using dosent support this settings. Thanks. -b doesn't work, which is weird because this is the same system that /dev/random made the border on. I also wanted each side of the border to be a different color... like the one you see in the photo. What I really want is to duplicate what was in the photo. What about gettytab? Right here: http://www.nbritton.org/uploads/IMG_5500-2.png The top border is gettytab the other side(s) are 'vidcontrol -b green', the rest is photoshop'ed. -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Add colored border around console?
How do I do this: http://www.nbritton.org/uploads/IMG_5496-2.jpg What I want is the colored border around the console window... I have no clue how to do it, /dev/random made the border you see the photo! I let it run all night to generate interrupt load as part of a system stress test. -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GCC - Optimal Optimization
On 8/18/06, Sean M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With GCC 3.4.4, what are the best CFLAGS to use for an AMD Duron ~1000 MHz? By best I mean creating the fastest programs that exploit fully all of the architecture's features, without creating a noticible increase in size. To date I've been using CFLAGS=-O3 -march=athlon-xp -mfp-math=sse -funroll-loops -pipe -ffast-math Here: http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-3.4.4/gcc/i386-and-x86_002d64-Options.html#i386-and-x86_002d64-Options IIRC the Duron should be set to athlon or athlon-tbird. The athlon-4, athlon-xp, athlon-mp knobs should only be used on Athlons with a Palomino core or better, your Duron is to slow to be based off Palomino. Also -mfp-math=sse does nothing for you because your chip doesn't have full SSE support. If you want to increase performance buy a new parts, $200 bucks will get you a new Athlon64 AM2 CPU, AM2 socket motherboard, and 512MB of DDR2-800 ram. Or you could go with new old stock: AMD Sempron 64 2800+ Socket 754: $54 BIOSTAR TForce6100 Socket 754: $66 CORSAIR ValueSelect 256MB DDR400: $28 Total: $148 -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AMD 64 3000
On 8/18/06, Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody have any strong opinions on this for a freebsd 6.1 web server? We are currently using a 2.40GHz celeron which is fairly slow. I'm hesitant to switch to 64 bits, are there any gotchas for freeBSD? What are you doing that would make that seem slow? Are you sure it is the processor and not some other part that is the bottleneck, such as disk or NIC or your pipe to the outside world (ISP)? He's probably running a big PHP web app... If so try eaccelerator first, it's in ports under www/eaccelerator. It's an opcode cache for PHP... should give you a major speed boost. -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GCC - Optimal Optimization
On 8/18/06, Sean M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Oliver Fromme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The default is -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe.
info gcc --index optimize options says the default is '-O0'.
That's true for stock GCC but FreeBSD (6.x) CFLAGS, COPTFLAGS, and
CXXFLAGS defaults to -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe. Try compiling a
port without setting CFLAGS in /etc/make.conf and you will see what we
mean.
You said you don't want an increase in size. But that's
exactly what -O3 (via inlining) and -funroll-loops do.
If you want not to increase size, use the default flags.
You could even use -Os, which instructs the compiler to
optimize for small size (it's somewhere between -O and
-O2).
-O3 was a typo, I meant -O2. And I'm not against an absolute
increase in size, just a significant one (10% is about where I'd start
to care)
-O2 is the default in FreeBSD 6.x maybe even in 5.5 too. Here's my
make.conf, I run FreeBSD 6.1/i386 on an Athlon64 3200+:
CPUTYPE?=athlon-xp
CFLAGS+= -mtune=athlon64
COPTFLAGS+= -mtune=athlon64
.if ${.CURDIR:M*/devel/sdl1*}
CFLAGS+= -O3
.endif
Note that I don't have -O2 -march=athlon-xp -mfpmath=sse
-funroll-loops -pipe -ffast-math etc. etc. in my conf file. The
reason I don't have it in there is it breaks things! A better way to
do this is on a port by port basis, that's what the .if block is for.
Also note that I don't set CXXFLAGS. Why? because CXXFLAGS is set to
whatever CFLAGS is set to. Also note the use of += and ?=, and the
creative use of -mtune= to optimize the parts of the kernel, world,
and ports that ignore CPUTYPE... BTW never put -march= in CFLAGS
because it WILL break your system... Use CPUTYPE?= to set -march.
--- Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
IIRC the Duron should be set to athlon or athlon-tbird. The athlon-4,
athlon-xp, athlon-mp knobs should only be used on Athlons with a
Palomino core or better, your Duron is to slow to be based off
Palomino. Also -mfp-math=sse does nothing for you because your chip
doesn't have full SSE support.
No, athlon-xp is valid:
The second-generation Duron, the Morgan core, was sold in speed
grades between 900 and 1300 MHz, and was based on the 180 nm Palomino
Athlon XP core. [wikipedia.org]
My bad.
And -mfp-math=sse actually does nothing because there's not supposed to
be a hyphen between fp and math.
You will break your system if you use that unconditionally. Use the
.if .endif block I showed you if you really feel like using it...
and... you better benchmark before and after because you may actually
be slowing down the app.
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lang/php4 defaults to cgi build?
lang/php4 defaults to cgi build. When did we decide this? AFAIK it always built the apache module in the past... isn't that standard procedure for building a LAMP stack? -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: USB Media Keys
On 8/11/06, Jeff Molofee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do you know of any usb keys that have volume keys? No I don't know of any USB keyboards with volume control... I'm picky about my keyboards... Most of them are old DEC, Compaq, and IBM keyboards with the standard key layout... I think the keys on most new keyboards are too soft etc. I'd like to get my hands on an old IBM buckling spring keyboard. Anyways... try here: http://www.newegg.com/ProductSort/Subcategory.asp?N=2000290063Subcategory=63 you don't know what a saitek eclipse keyboard is? I do now: http://images.google.com/images?q=saitek+eclipse looks breakable. -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BSDstats Project v2.0 ...
Ok... With my new script it took only 158 minutes to compute ALL
TCP/IP address hashes. I'll repeat that... I have an md5 hash for
every IP address in the world! All I need to do is grep your hash and
it will tell me your IP address. yippee! :-)
Can we please find a new method to track hosts... perhaps my earlier
example: ifconfig |md5. If not please remove my entries in the
database.
I've attached the script used to make the hashes.
On 8/10/06, Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 8/9/06, Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 8/9/06, Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, Paul Schmehl wrote:
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, Igor Robul wrote:
On Tue, Aug 08, 2006 at 09:30:42PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
Could create problems long term .. one thing I will be using the
IPs to do is:
SELECT ip, count(1) FROM systems GROUP BY ip ORDER BY count DESC;
to look for any 'abnormalities' like todays with Armenia ...
hashing it would make stuff like that fairly difficult ...
You can make _two_ hashes and then concatenate to form unique key.
Then you still be able to see a lot of single IPs. Personaly, I dont
care very much about IP/hostname disclosure :-)
Except that you are disclosing that each and every time you send out an
email, or hit a web site ... :)
The systems I'm concerned about are on private IP space, to not send email
and don't have X installed, much less a web browser and can only access
certain FreeBSD sites to update ports. In fact, they're not even
accessible
from *inside* our network except from certain hosts. In order to
successfully run the stats script on these hosts, I would have to open a
hole
in the firewall to bsdstats.hub.org on the correct port.
And yes, I *am* paranoid. But if you really want *all* statistics you can
get, then you'll have to deal with us paranoid types. My workstation,
which
is on a public IP, is already registered.
Done ... now I really hope that the US stats rise, maybe? I have a hard
time believing that Russia and the Ukraine have more deployments then the
'good ol'US of A' ... or do they? *raised eyebrow*
Here is what is now stored in the database (using my IP as a basis)
# select * from systems where ip = md5('24.224.179.167');
id |ip| hostname
| operating_system | release | architecture | country |report_date
--+--+--+--++--+-+---
1295 | 45c80b9266a5a6683eee9c9798bd6575 |
4a9110019f2ca076407ed838bf190017 | FreeBSD | 6.1-RC1| i386 | CA
| 2006-08-09 02:34:05.12579
1 | 45c80b9266a5a6683eee9c9798bd6575 |
9a45e58ab9535d89f0a7d2092b816364 | FreeBSD | 6.1-STABLE | i386 | CA
| 2006-08-09 16:01:03.34788
Why don't you just broadcast the ip address, it's what your doing now
anyways. 253^4 is a very small number.
infomatic# perl
my $num = 0;
system date;
while ($num = 409715208) {
$num++
}
system date;
Wed Aug 9 18:18:45 CDT 2006
Wed Aug 9 18:20:48 CDT 2006
2 minutes * 10 = 20 minutes to iterate though 4 billion IP addresses
on a very slow uni-proc system. I could even store every IP to md5
hash using less then 222GB of uncompressed space.
If you want... give me the md5 hash of a real ip address that is
unknown to me and I will hand you the ip address in two days... or
less. run the IP address though like this:
md5 -s xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
I have other things to do with my time, so I don't really want to do
this, but if that's what it takes to stop this idea dead I'll do it.
Here's a better way to explain the problem:
Let's say we need to find Marc's IP address but we only have it's md5
hash value. Some of you may think this is hard to do but it's not. All
we need to do is compute every IP address into a hash and then match
Marc's hash to one in are list:
24.224.179.164 = e7e7a967c5f88d9fb10a1f22cd2133d2
24.224.179.165 = 3aa9b50aa7190f5aca1f78f075dc69c2
24.224.179.166 = c695175e48d649e3496ac715406a488d
24.224.179.167 = 45c80b9266a5a6683eee9c9798bd6575
So what is an IP address?... mathematically speaking it's 4 base 255
numbers grouped together:
{0, ..., 255}.{0, ..., 255}.{0, ..., 255}.{0, ..., 255}
To calculate how many combinations there could be you simply take the
base unit and raise it to the 4th power, since there are 4 of them.
This gives us 255^4 combinations or 4,228,250,625 TCP/IP addresses. We
also know that the first number can't be 0 or 255 and the others can't
be 255, we can also rule out all 127.x.y.z loopback and multicast
224.x.y.z - 239.x.y.z addresses:
(237^1) * (254^3)
This leaves us with 3,883,734,168 valid IP addresses. We can divide
this number by 5,000 and run it through
Re: iCal Server
On 8/9/06, Joe Auty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody working on porting this Apple product to FreeBSD? The source code can be downloaded here: http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/collaboration/wiki I'm really interested in a product like this, and Chandler looks like a pretty decent client. I doubt it... iCal server was just announced at WWDC06. Looks cool... Is it suppose to be an MS exchange killer? -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: USB Media Keys
On 8/11/06, Jeff Molofee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it possible to get USB media keys to work in FreeBSD 6.x? I can't get anything to even see the keys, I would like to get my volume keys working on a Saitek Eclipse keyboard. What on earth are you talking about? USB keyboards, USB mass storage, or USB crypt keys (is there such a thing)? -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BSDstats Project v2.0 ...
On 8/11/06, Matthew Seaman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Fri, 11 Aug 2006, Nikolas Britton wrote: Ok... With my new script it took only 158 minutes to compute ALL TCP/IP address hashes. I'll repeat that... I have an md5 hash for every IP address in the world! All I need to do is grep your hash and it will tell me your IP address. yippee! :-) Can someone please explain to me what exactly you are trying to secure against in this case? He's trying to prevent any possibility of information disclosure about his servers. If I wanted to hack into his site, knowing what hosts he had running (ie. a bunch of live IP numbers) and what OS etc. each used would mean I'm already halfway to my goal. Now, while the design of bsdstats does not disclose that sort of stuff readily, any security conscious admin is going to worry about that data being collected and held outside of his administrative control. Having a completely anonymous and untraceable token to identify each of the hosts sending in information should make connecting the information back to the original sender practically impossible. YES! what he said... I don't want ANYTHING to trace back to me or my systems. Although, playing devil's advocate here, anyone that could steal the Apache log files from the bsdstats server would be able to work out that sort of data fairly readily. I guess the truly paranoid should only submit their data via some sort of anonymizing proxy. That's simple, don't keep the log files... * Can we trust Marc to delete them? * I thought this was going to be an official FreeBSD project hosted on freebsd.org? * Maybe we should get the OpenBSD people involved? Just thinking out loud :-/ -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BSDstats Project v2.0 ...
On 8/9/06, Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 8/9/06, Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, Paul Schmehl wrote:
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, Igor Robul wrote:
On Tue, Aug 08, 2006 at 09:30:42PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
Could create problems long term .. one thing I will be using the
IPs to do is:
SELECT ip, count(1) FROM systems GROUP BY ip ORDER BY count DESC;
to look for any 'abnormalities' like todays with Armenia ...
hashing it would make stuff like that fairly difficult ...
You can make _two_ hashes and then concatenate to form unique key.
Then you still be able to see a lot of single IPs. Personaly, I dont
care very much about IP/hostname disclosure :-)
Except that you are disclosing that each and every time you send out an
email, or hit a web site ... :)
The systems I'm concerned about are on private IP space, to not send email
and don't have X installed, much less a web browser and can only access
certain FreeBSD sites to update ports. In fact, they're not even accessible
from *inside* our network except from certain hosts. In order to
successfully run the stats script on these hosts, I would have to open a
hole
in the firewall to bsdstats.hub.org on the correct port.
And yes, I *am* paranoid. But if you really want *all* statistics you can
get, then you'll have to deal with us paranoid types. My workstation, which
is on a public IP, is already registered.
Done ... now I really hope that the US stats rise, maybe? I have a hard
time believing that Russia and the Ukraine have more deployments then the
'good ol'US of A' ... or do they? *raised eyebrow*
Here is what is now stored in the database (using my IP as a basis)
# select * from systems where ip = md5('24.224.179.167');
id |ip| hostname
| operating_system | release | architecture | country |report_date
--+--+--+--++--+-+---
1295 | 45c80b9266a5a6683eee9c9798bd6575 | 4a9110019f2ca076407ed838bf190017
| FreeBSD | 6.1-RC1| i386 | CA | 2006-08-09
02:34:05.12579
1 | 45c80b9266a5a6683eee9c9798bd6575 | 9a45e58ab9535d89f0a7d2092b816364
| FreeBSD | 6.1-STABLE | i386 | CA | 2006-08-09
16:01:03.34788
Why don't you just broadcast the ip address, it's what your doing now
anyways. 253^4 is a very small number.
infomatic# perl
my $num = 0;
system date;
while ($num = 409715208) {
$num++
}
system date;
Wed Aug 9 18:18:45 CDT 2006
Wed Aug 9 18:20:48 CDT 2006
2 minutes * 10 = 20 minutes to iterate though 4 billion IP addresses
on a very slow uni-proc system. I could even store every IP to md5
hash using less then 222GB of uncompressed space.
If you want... give me the md5 hash of a real ip address that is
unknown to me and I will hand you the ip address in two days... or
less. run the IP address though like this:
md5 -s xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
I have other things to do with my time, so I don't really want to do
this, but if that's what it takes to stop this idea dead I'll do it.
Here's a better way to explain the problem:
Let's say we need to find Marc's IP address but we only have it's md5
hash value. Some of you may think this is hard to do but it's not. All
we need to do is compute every IP address into a hash and then match
Marc's hash to one in are list:
24.224.179.164 = e7e7a967c5f88d9fb10a1f22cd2133d2
24.224.179.165 = 3aa9b50aa7190f5aca1f78f075dc69c2
24.224.179.166 = c695175e48d649e3496ac715406a488d
24.224.179.167 = 45c80b9266a5a6683eee9c9798bd6575
So what is an IP address?... mathematically speaking it's 4 base 255
numbers grouped together:
{0, ..., 255}.{0, ..., 255}.{0, ..., 255}.{0, ..., 255}
To calculate how many combinations there could be you simply take the
base unit and raise it to the 4th power, since there are 4 of them.
This gives us 255^4 combinations or 4,228,250,625 TCP/IP addresses. We
also know that the first number can't be 0 or 255 and the others can't
be 255, we can also rule out all 127.x.y.z loopback and multicast
224.x.y.z - 239.x.y.z addresses:
(237^1) * (254^3)
This leaves us with 3,883,734,168 valid IP addresses. We can divide
this number by 5,000 and run it through a simple perl script to get a
time estimate on how long it will take to compute all these hashs. We
will split it into 4 parallel jobs:
my $number = 0;
while ($number = 194187) {
system md5 -s $number /usr/data/hashlist1;
$number++;
}
my $number = 194188;
while ($number = 388373) {
system md5 -s $number /usr/data/hashlist2;
$number++;
}
my $number = 388374;
while ($number = 582560) {
system md5 -s $number /usr/data/hashlist3;
$number++;
}
my $number = 582561;
while ($number = 776747) {
system md5 -s $number /usr/data/hashlist4;
$number++;
}
Ok, it took
Re: BSDstats Project v2.0 ...
On 8/10/06, Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 8/9/06, Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 8/9/06, Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, Paul Schmehl wrote:
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, Igor Robul wrote:
On Tue, Aug 08, 2006 at 09:30:42PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
Could create problems long term .. one thing I will be using the
IPs to do is:
SELECT ip, count(1) FROM systems GROUP BY ip ORDER BY count DESC;
to look for any 'abnormalities' like todays with Armenia ...
hashing it would make stuff like that fairly difficult ...
You can make _two_ hashes and then concatenate to form unique key.
Then you still be able to see a lot of single IPs. Personaly, I dont
care very much about IP/hostname disclosure :-)
Except that you are disclosing that each and every time you send out an
email, or hit a web site ... :)
The systems I'm concerned about are on private IP space, to not send email
and don't have X installed, much less a web browser and can only access
certain FreeBSD sites to update ports. In fact, they're not even
accessible
from *inside* our network except from certain hosts. In order to
successfully run the stats script on these hosts, I would have to open a
hole
in the firewall to bsdstats.hub.org on the correct port.
And yes, I *am* paranoid. But if you really want *all* statistics you can
get, then you'll have to deal with us paranoid types. My workstation,
which
is on a public IP, is already registered.
Done ... now I really hope that the US stats rise, maybe? I have a hard
time believing that Russia and the Ukraine have more deployments then the
'good ol'US of A' ... or do they? *raised eyebrow*
Here is what is now stored in the database (using my IP as a basis)
# select * from systems where ip = md5('24.224.179.167');
id |ip| hostname
| operating_system | release | architecture | country |report_date
--+--+--+--++--+-+---
1295 | 45c80b9266a5a6683eee9c9798bd6575 |
4a9110019f2ca076407ed838bf190017 | FreeBSD | 6.1-RC1| i386 | CA
| 2006-08-09 02:34:05.12579
1 | 45c80b9266a5a6683eee9c9798bd6575 |
9a45e58ab9535d89f0a7d2092b816364 | FreeBSD | 6.1-STABLE | i386 | CA
| 2006-08-09 16:01:03.34788
Why don't you just broadcast the ip address, it's what your doing now
anyways. 253^4 is a very small number.
infomatic# perl
my $num = 0;
system date;
while ($num = 409715208) {
$num++
}
system date;
Wed Aug 9 18:18:45 CDT 2006
Wed Aug 9 18:20:48 CDT 2006
2 minutes * 10 = 20 minutes to iterate though 4 billion IP addresses
on a very slow uni-proc system. I could even store every IP to md5
hash using less then 222GB of uncompressed space.
If you want... give me the md5 hash of a real ip address that is
unknown to me and I will hand you the ip address in two days... or
less. run the IP address though like this:
md5 -s xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
I have other things to do with my time, so I don't really want to do
this, but if that's what it takes to stop this idea dead I'll do it.
Here's a better way to explain the problem:
Let's say we need to find Marc's IP address but we only have it's md5
hash value. Some of you may think this is hard to do but it's not. All
we need to do is compute every IP address into a hash and then match
Marc's hash to one in are list:
24.224.179.164 = e7e7a967c5f88d9fb10a1f22cd2133d2
24.224.179.165 = 3aa9b50aa7190f5aca1f78f075dc69c2
24.224.179.166 = c695175e48d649e3496ac715406a488d
24.224.179.167 = 45c80b9266a5a6683eee9c9798bd6575
So what is an IP address?... mathematically speaking it's 4 base 255
numbers grouped together:
{0, ..., 255}.{0, ..., 255}.{0, ..., 255}.{0, ..., 255}
To calculate how many combinations there could be you simply take the
base unit and raise it to the 4th power, since there are 4 of them.
This gives us 255^4 combinations or 4,228,250,625 TCP/IP addresses. We
also know that the first number can't be 0 or 255 and the others can't
be 255, we can also rule out all 127.x.y.z loopback and multicast
224.x.y.z - 239.x.y.z addresses:
(237^1) * (254^3)
This leaves us with 3,883,734,168 valid IP addresses. We can divide
this number by 5,000 and run it through a simple perl script to get a
time estimate on how long it will take to compute all these hashs. We
will split it into 4 parallel jobs:
my $number = 0;
while ($number = 194187) {
system md5 -s $number /usr/data/hashlist1;
$number++;
}
my $number = 194188;
while ($number = 388373) {
system md5 -s $number /usr/data/hashlist2;
$number++;
}
my $number = 388374;
while ($number = 582560) {
system md5 -s $number /usr/data/hashlist3;
$number
Re: Large File System?
The advantage is never having to run fsck again... on large filesystems this takes a long long long time. 16 hours would not be unheard of. On 8/10/06, Martin Hepworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm I wonder what the advantages of this over softupdates are. Never really saw the need for the google summer of code project etc for this when we have softupdates But I guess I must be missing something -- martin On 8/9/06, Matthew Seaman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nikolas Britton wrote: You've never had to fsck a 2TB+ array, have you?... This is why we DEMAND journaling UFS2. or ZFS. Ask and ye shall receive. http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2006-August/064932.html Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BSDstats Project v2.0 ...
On 8/9/06, Igor Robul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Aug 08, 2006 at 09:30:42PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: Could create problems long term .. one thing I will be using the IPs to do is: SELECT ip, count(1) FROM systems GROUP BY ip ORDER BY count DESC; to look for any 'abnormalities' like todays with Armenia ... hashing it would make stuff like that fairly difficult ... You can make _two_ hashes and then concatenate to form unique key. Then you still be able to see a lot of single IPs. Personaly, I dont care very much about IP/hostname disclosure :-) I still like my idea the best for unique keys. It's a better way to detect hosts behind NATs, here it is again, four versions to pick from: # ifconfig | sha256 cbcc2f55a340c248af7e8a10871150d827af11d7051bbc782eefa04b0603248b # ifconfig | sha1 b607b9d45e6ad40c02ab20800e0d70245ab6db68 # ifconfig | md5 22a2a3eca61166fb113f1a688b3dd842 # ifconfig | cksum 3977021799 540 The only down side is it still can be faked, just like everything else. -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BSDstats Project v2.0 ...
On 8/9/06, Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/9/06, Igor Robul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Aug 08, 2006 at 09:30:42PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: Could create problems long term .. one thing I will be using the IPs to do is: SELECT ip, count(1) FROM systems GROUP BY ip ORDER BY count DESC; to look for any 'abnormalities' like todays with Armenia ... hashing it would make stuff like that fairly difficult ... You can make _two_ hashes and then concatenate to form unique key. Then you still be able to see a lot of single IPs. Personaly, I dont care very much about IP/hostname disclosure :-) I still like my idea the best for unique keys. It's a better way to detect hosts behind NATs, here it is again, four versions to pick from: # ifconfig | sha256 cbcc2f55a340c248af7e8a10871150d827af11d7051bbc782eefa04b0603248b # ifconfig | sha1 b607b9d45e6ad40c02ab20800e0d70245ab6db68 # ifconfig | md5 22a2a3eca61166fb113f1a688b3dd842 # ifconfig | cksum 3977021799 540 The only down side is it still can be faked, just like everything else. Based on the man pages: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi? md5 first appeared in 1.1.5.1-RELEASE sha1 first appeared in 4.10-RELEASE sha256 first appeared in 6.0-RELEASE, 5.5-RELEASE. That rules out sha256 and sha1, cksum was never a contender so this leaves md5. -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Large File System?
On 8/8/06, Martin Hepworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/8/06, Freminlins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The single most important thing missing for me in FreeBSD is a journalling file system as I would use it on every box. snip Softupdates are the FreeBSD equivalent. From my point of view they perform better than a traditional journaling FS (do a google search for the original usenix papers on these). I also find they speed up I/O quite alot, esp for fast changing filesystems like mail spools. You've never had to fsck a 2TB+ array, have you?... This is why we DEMAND journaling UFS2. or ZFS. -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BSDstats Project v2.0 ...
On 8/9/06, Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, Paul Schmehl wrote:
Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, Igor Robul wrote:
On Tue, Aug 08, 2006 at 09:30:42PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
Could create problems long term .. one thing I will be using the
IPs to do is:
SELECT ip, count(1) FROM systems GROUP BY ip ORDER BY count DESC;
to look for any 'abnormalities' like todays with Armenia ...
hashing it would make stuff like that fairly difficult ...
You can make _two_ hashes and then concatenate to form unique key.
Then you still be able to see a lot of single IPs. Personaly, I dont
care very much about IP/hostname disclosure :-)
Except that you are disclosing that each and every time you send out an
email, or hit a web site ... :)
The systems I'm concerned about are on private IP space, to not send email
and don't have X installed, much less a web browser and can only access
certain FreeBSD sites to update ports. In fact, they're not even accessible
from *inside* our network except from certain hosts. In order to
successfully run the stats script on these hosts, I would have to open a hole
in the firewall to bsdstats.hub.org on the correct port.
And yes, I *am* paranoid. But if you really want *all* statistics you can
get, then you'll have to deal with us paranoid types. My workstation, which
is on a public IP, is already registered.
Done ... now I really hope that the US stats rise, maybe? I have a hard
time believing that Russia and the Ukraine have more deployments then the
'good ol'US of A' ... or do they? *raised eyebrow*
Here is what is now stored in the database (using my IP as a basis)
# select * from systems where ip = md5('24.224.179.167');
id |ip| hostname |
operating_system | release | architecture | country |report_date
--+--+--+--++--+-+---
1295 | 45c80b9266a5a6683eee9c9798bd6575 | 4a9110019f2ca076407ed838bf190017 |
FreeBSD | 6.1-RC1| i386 | CA | 2006-08-09
02:34:05.12579
1 | 45c80b9266a5a6683eee9c9798bd6575 | 9a45e58ab9535d89f0a7d2092b816364 |
FreeBSD | 6.1-STABLE | i386 | CA | 2006-08-09
16:01:03.34788
Why don't you just broadcast the ip address, it's what your doing now
anyways. 253^4 is a very small number.
infomatic# perl
my $num = 0;
system date;
while ($num = 409715208) {
$num++
}
system date;
Wed Aug 9 18:18:45 CDT 2006
Wed Aug 9 18:20:48 CDT 2006
2 minutes * 10 = 20 minutes to iterate though 4 billion IP addresses
on a very slow uni-proc system. I could even store every IP to md5
hash using less then 222GB of uncompressed space.
If you want... give me the md5 hash of a real ip address that is
unknown to me and I will hand you the ip address in two days... or
less. run the IP address though like this:
md5 -s xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
I have other things to do with my time, so I don't really want to do
this, but if that's what it takes to stop this idea dead I'll do it.
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Re: BSDstats Project v2.0 ...
On 8/6/06, Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've now committed v2.0 of the 300.statistics periodic script ... this one adds the device reporting that we'd talked about previously, and the summary reports now reflect the driver(s) in use for those deciding to report ... This Phase of the script is optional, and not enabled by default ... I can't think of any reason why you wouldn't want to report it, but just in case someone feels it poses a problem, its an opt-in report ... pkg-message updated to reflect the extra line you need to add to /etc/periodic.conf: monthly_statistics_report_devices=yes I've written it to report driver + chip= information from pciconf -l, since even pciconf -lv doesn't seem to use card= ... the summary report will be extended next to show both vendor and chip statistics ... Let me know of any problems ... This line is wrong: hptmv (1) Marvell Semiconductor (Was: Galileo Technology Ltd)MV88SX5081 8-port SATA PCI-X Controller 1 Also why not track the ones with no driver attached... you should still be able to tell what the device is. -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BSDstats Project v2.0 ...
On 8/8/06, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nikolas Britton wrote: On 8/6/06, Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've now committed v2.0 of the 300.statistics periodic script ... this one adds the device reporting that we'd talked about previously, and the summary reports now reflect the driver(s) in use for those deciding to report ... This Phase of the script is optional, and not enabled by default ... I can't think of any reason why you wouldn't want to report it, but just in case someone feels it poses a problem, its an opt-in report ... pkg-message updated to reflect the extra line you need to add to /etc/periodic.conf: monthly_statistics_report_devices=yes I've written it to report driver + chip= information from pciconf -l, since even pciconf -lv doesn't seem to use card= ... the summary report will be extended next to show both vendor and chip statistics ... Let me know of any problems ... This line is wrong: hptmv (1)Marvell Semiconductor (Was: Galileo Technology Ltd)MV88SX5081 8-port SATA PCI-X Controller1 Also why not track the ones with no driver attached... you should still be able to tell what the device is. How about some uptime stats as well? No. We agreed we would not track people. -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BSDstats Project v2.0 ...
On 8/8/06, Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 8 Aug 2006, Matthew Seaman wrote: Anyhow, how about the following little enhancement. This lists the CPUs on the system pretending they are CPU0, CPU1, ... devices. The URI escape stuff should be automatically decoded by PHP without any extra coding required. Perfect, added to script, as well as your clean ups ... thanks ... What about PC-BSD? AFAIK they all have the same hostname. Some company could have 1000+ PC-BSD desktop systems hiding behind NAT. I just sent in one for you to look at... Here's it's uname -a: PCBSD# uname -a FreeBSD PCBSD.localhost 6.1-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-p2 #0: Fri Jun 16 09:21:34 PDT 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/PCBSDv1.11 i386 -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Changing root's shell
On 8/8/06, Ross Penner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/8/06, Pete Slagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ross Penner wrote: how do you drop to single user mode? I just know how to get there at boot time. Thanks. On 8/8/06, *Pete Slagle* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ross wrote: so it seems changed root login's shell to /usr/bin/bash which doesn't exist. now I can't login to root at all. Oh yes, sudo isn't installed. How would you grand masters of FreeBSD fix my embarrasing mistake. Dunno if any grand masters are about, but maybe I can help with this one. - drop to single user mode: `shutdown now` - when prompted for a shell, type /bin/sh - `vipw /etc/passwd` and (carefully) change root's shell to /bin/sh - type `exit` at the shell prompt to return from single user mode Normally you just do what I said, `shutdown now` as root, but I guess you can't do that in your situation. (Silly me.) So just reboot into single user mode instead, and follow the rest of the steps. Good luck, Pete interestingly, by hitting the power button on the front, it went through the shutdown process without root permissions. I followed your steps but the problem remains. The /etc/passwd file is edited but I still can't logon as root. When I changed the shell initially, I used chpass. I also tried changeing the /etc/master.passwd file to no avail. Did you re-mount the root partition in read/write mode? You know this whole thing could have been avoided if you tested things first: # bash bash: Command not found. -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Supermicro X6DVL-EG-2 Compatibility
On 8/6/06, Mark Kane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone. Quick hardware question here... We're looking to move a dedicated server to a new datacenter with new hardware. The Dual Xeon boards in the new datacenter are the Supermicro X6DVL-EG-2 with the Intel E7320 chipset. I see the E7320 listed on the hardware page for 6.1-RELEASE/amd64 but not for i386. Would this work with i386? I want to run i386 on this machine just to make sure all third party software we need will still work, since it is an important production server, and one application we use is binary only for i386. I also don't see the SATA controller (6300ESB) or the onboard NIC (82541GI) on either hardware lists. I see similar models for the NIC on the list, but not the GI. The motherboard spec page does show different models though, since at the top it says it's the GI, but down below it says it's the PI on that board. Does neither the SATA or NIC being listed mean that this board will not work? Is anyone out there running this board with FreeBSD, and what are your experiences with it? I don't know much about Intel hardware since I run AMD on all other machines, and most any hardware I've ever used with FreeBSD has worked, but I wanted to check on this before ordering the new server because we're needing to switch fast and get moved out of the old datacenter by mid-week. The only other hardware option I see from this datacenter is an Opteron 170, but I'd like to stick with the Dual Xeons as we currently have now if at all possible. Thanks very much in advance for any info or suggestions. -Mark http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon800/E7320/X6DVL-EG.cfm I have a X7DBE that mostly works with FreeBSD 6.x/i386. http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon1333/5000P/X7DBE.cfm The Ethernet controllers (Intel PRO/1000 EB) don't work with FreeBSD 6.1 but this is being fixed on -STABLE as we speak, there is a em(4) patch waiting for commit... I have not tried to use the 6 port onboard SATA RAID controller... From experience I just assume it not support at all. Your motherboard is a generation behind my board so things should probably work out pretty good for you. here's my dmesg: Copyright (c) 1992-2006 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE #0: Mon Aug 7 00:13:42 UTC 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/X7DBE ACPI APIC Table: PTLTD APIC Timecounter i8254 frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.66GHz (2666.68-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = GenuineIntel Id = 0xf64 Stepping = 4 Features=0xbfebfbffFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CLFLUSH,DTS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE Features2=0xe4bdSSE3,RSVD2,MON,DS_CPL,VMX,EST,CNTX-ID,CX16,b14,b15 AMD Features=0x2000LM AMD Features2=0x1LAHF Cores per package: 2 Logical CPUs per core: 2 real memory = 1073086464 (1023 MB) avail memory = 1036750848 (988 MB) FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 2 ioapic0 Version 2.0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard ioapic1 Version 2.0 irqs 24-47 on motherboard kbd1 at kbdmux0 acpi0: PTLTD RSDT on motherboard acpi0: Power Button (fixed) can't fetch resources for \\_SB_.PCI0.LPC0.MBRD - AE_AML_INVALID_RESOURCE_TYPE Timecounter ACPI-fast frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000 acpi_timer0: 24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz port 0x1008-0x100b on acpi0 cpu0: ACPI CPU on acpi0 acpi_throttle0: ACPI CPU Throttling on cpu0 cpu1: ACPI CPU on acpi0 acpi_throttle1: ACPI CPU Throttling on cpu1 acpi_throttle1: failed to attach P_CNT device_attach: acpi_throttle1 attach returned 6 pcib0: ACPI Host-PCI bridge port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pci0: ACPI PCI bus on pcib0 pcib1: ACPI PCI-PCI bridge at device 2.0 on pci0 pci1: ACPI PCI bus on pcib1 pcib2: ACPI PCI-PCI bridge irq 16 at device 0.0 on pci1 pci2: ACPI PCI bus on pcib2 pcib3: ACPI PCI-PCI bridge irq 16 at device 0.0 on pci2 pci3: ACPI PCI bus on pcib3 pcib4: ACPI PCI-PCI bridge at device 0.0 on pci3 pci4: ACPI PCI bus on pcib4 pcib5: ACPI PCI-PCI bridge at device 0.2 on pci3 pci5: ACPI PCI bus on pcib5 pcib6: ACPI PCI-PCI bridge irq 18 at device 2.0 on pci2 pci6: ACPI PCI bus on pcib6 em0: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Connection Version - 6.0.5 port 0x2000-0x201f mem 0xc820-0xc821 irq 18 at device 0.0 on pci6 em0: Ethernet address: 00:30:48:30:99:c8 em0: [FAST] em1: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Connection Version - 6.0.5 port 0x2020-0x203f mem 0xc822-0xc823 irq 19 at device 0.1 on pci6 em1: Ethernet address: 00:30:48:30:99:c9 em1: [FAST] pcib7: ACPI PCI-PCI bridge at device 0.3 on pci1 pci7: ACPI PCI bus on pcib7 pcib8: ACPI PCI-PCI bridge at device 4.0 on pci0 pci8: ACPI PCI bus on pcib8 pcib9: ACPI PCI-PCI bridge at device 6.0 on pci0 pci9: ACPI PCI bus on pcib9 pcib10: PCI-PCI bridge at device 0.0 on pci9 pci10: PCI
How do I set Mixer settings in stone.
After every reboot I need to run 'mixer ogain 85'. I'd like to never have to do this again. How do I tell this to FreeBSD? I've tried yelling at him, for example: FreeBSD! Stop resetting the mixer ogain! damit! But this never works. -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SATA Cables Suck!
On 8/1/06, Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The number one problem I've had with SATA RAIDs has been the cables! 4 times I've lost arrays because the cables came loose or some other stupid problem with the cables. I need a vendor that has high quality latching SATA-II cables. Also... what can we do with the old cables to fix them... super glue them on?... Here's a question... Are all SATA cables rated for SATA-II? I've never seen a definitive answer to this question and newegg.com does not sells SATA-II cables... Also does the spec call for shielded cables? frustrated, need a place to unload thanks. Found a vendor: http://www.okgear.com/gears/SATA_CABLE_SERIES.htm -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fastest disk in the west or bad iozone numbers?
Anyone have a clue why iozone reports disk read rates of 688MegaBytes/s on a 1GB test file? Am I doing something stupid, like not converting the numbers correctly? I've attached the iozone report, It's from a single 400GB Seagate SATA drive. infomatic# iozone -az -g 1g -b ~/seagate.xls Iozone: Performance Test of File I/O Version $Revision: 3.263 $ Compiled for 32 bit mode. Build: freebsd Contributors:William Norcott, Don Capps, Isom Crawford, Kirby Collins Al Slater, Scott Rhine, Mike Wisner, Ken Goss Steve Landherr, Brad Smith, Mark Kelly, Dr. Alain CYR, Randy Dunlap, Mark Montague, Dan Million, Jean-Marc Zucconi, Jeff Blomberg, Erik Habbinga, Kris Strecker, Walter Wong. Run began: Wed Aug 2 13:22:54 2006 Auto Mode Cross over of record size disabled. Using maximum file size of 1048576 kilobytes. Command line used: iozone -az -g 1g -b /root/seagate.xls Output is in Kbytes/sec Time Resolution = 0.02 seconds. Processor cache size set to 1024 Kbytes. Processor cache line size set to 32 bytes. File stride size set to 17 * record size. iozone test complete. Excel output is below: Writer report 4 8 16 32 64 128 256 512 1024 2048 4096 8192 16384 64 117858 208475 293496 467159 279442 128 13911 14740 32152 25182 67120 84273 256 27914 63615 235955 248516 27902 41006 71708 512 36384 64875 45791 275720 23293 50131 337516 82223 1024 28623 6571 97246 251659 71809 85375 125828 325509 278322 2048 47798 52503 41486 83218 79279 66456 47005 113475 74461 101551 4096 28189 12285 27437 51167 47354 53293 60537 50633 43507 44217 59572 8192 30163 42406 66024 43097 26781 34145 33147 56543 32099 70854 46321 66291 16384 28205 48073 39713 44404 48775 55348 67135 64065 61474 47064 45921 45291 67852 32768 32041 58188 66444 69155 64704 69603 61746 64296 65845 57059 54606 55612 64872 65536 35468 51383 58800 60465 61065 60876 60873 57916 57607 59288 58676 56887 59718 131072 36040 53350 56741 56059 56369 57402 56329 55548 53857 54671 53841 58136 56973 262144 41989 54045 56191 56397 56645 56980 54622 56138 55409 57708 56486 55746 55302 524288 43288 53420 55245 55694 56406 56120 55809 55519 54507 55516 55370 55267 56061 1048576 46697 52919 54481 54439 55033 54735 54715 54120 55171 54381 54624 54375 54315 Re-writer report 4 8 16 32 64 128 256 512 1024 2048 4096 8192 16384 64 653745 829499 943164 926881 633683 128 18127 67542 124981 202546 191015 469042 256 266396 325611 368399 133756 275911 349683 527997 512 23810 581247 111862 158560 14502 291555 581877 528987 1024 54540 62530 122578 385696 290659 370491 369535 466509 552932 2048 54979 64220 31940 70530 81616 35326 48416 79781 108400 71254 4096 50653 38137 55127 38932 82662 49606 86061 60064 47201 26341 63558 8192 30646 27428 66534 81869 46981 42537 62341 60307 52390 36061 46217 69476 16384 43660 54881 35682 48482 32834 41479 73412 61000 59474 62223 56970 53378 71564 32768 53460 70274 70062 66694 63557 68102 7 57039 69162 61680 64322 72151 52286 65536 53877 45904 56165 59962 59226 59401 57805 57885 57730 60035 59937 59053 60268 131072 51140 56017 56050 56288 56041 55215 56123 55062 56726 56384 57301 55848 57552 262144 48664 55599 56843 57017 56667 57204 55478 57366 57193 56061 57085 56457 56565 524288 48505 55655 55984 55376 55646 56182 55536 56360 56130 56665 56682 56507 55632 1048576 50267 52582 53160 53615 53812 53592 53757 53218 53713 53887 54246 54344 54261 Reader report 4 8 16 32 64 128 256 512 1024 2048 4096 8192 16384 64 943164 1144170 1365309 1256653 1280633 128 636395 1153045 1468419 1488779 1307491 1346852 256 885478 1163807 1361560 1407980 1375513 1422906 1319723 512 873453 1069138 1330031 1330031 1414110 1422540 1295529 980760 1024 920953 1143004 1245780 1426135 1426135 1190859 1326585 889667 865465 2048 881234 1228430 1436297 1471229 1476539 1519371 1353467 837257 799687 842512 4096 927107 1229979 1448358 1494862 1506925 1531235 1355348 820840 822963 780774 824148 8192 879832 1244800 1471785 1506701 1528892 1553009 1348254 799535 777007 758717 767907 778186 16384 895302 1142931 1481929 1518440 1530207 1416206 1242720 765569 788939 781013 780454 778447 806892 32768 919105 1218542 864316 1469689 1488713 1485736 668693 787238 779372 786841 785425 509760 784094 65536 761380 1235825
Re: Replacing windows XP at home.
All of the other Display SubSections are not required, I've never needed to swich my color depth or screen resolution on the fly so I stopped putting them in a while ago It's a left over from the 1980s and 90s when cards could have a high color depth or a high screen resolution but not both at the same time. On 8/3/06, Joshua Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is what I have. I got it out of the handbook. however I may have forgotten the quotes. I will try it tonight. Now there are several duplicates of that section. Should I updated each one for each resolution and each color depth? Should there be only one? If I add one for each resolution and color depth combo is there a way to switch the resolution in the WM? Thanks for the input. Sincerely, Joshua Lewis Original Message Subject: Re: Replacing windows XP at home. From: Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, August 02, 2006 1:01 pm To: Joshua Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Andrew Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], freebsd-questions@freebsd.org On 8/2/06, Joshua Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am actually not looking for a Windows look alike. I am simply replacing my XP system with a BSD solution. I am looking for a fast easy to configure and fun WM. I am absolutely looking for something new to use. not Windows like. That is why I was looking at enlightenment and fluxbox. but there are just so many I was hoping to get ideas as to why one would choose one over the other. Other then personal preference. I have been using enlightenment for about a week and perhaps it is something I did but my resolution is stuck at 1600x1280 at 65Hz. My monitor keeps getting mad at me and telling me that is not the recommended solution. I have been trying to figure out how to change it and I have updated the xorg.conf as the handbook says but it still defaults. Unless anyone has an idea why I am going to switch to fluxbox and see how that feels. I did want to mention that I do agree with your point. I am looking for something new and I am looking to experiment with other ways of doing things. But at the same time I would like a little eye candy. After all with today's power full systems there is nothing wrong with waisting a few CPU cycles to make the experience a little more enjoyable. I will certainly give XFCE a try I have seen allot of recommendations for that as well. Sincerely, Joshua Lewis /etc/X11/xorg.conf should look sorta like this, yours should have more Display SubSections in it: Section Screen Identifier Screen0 Device Card0 MonitorMonitor0 DefaultDepth 24 SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 Modes 1280x1024 EndSubSection EndSection -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?
On 8/3/06, Antony Mawer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/08/2006 4:58 AM, User Freebsd wrote: Getting a list of devices is actually pretty easy, and I've tried this on my 4.x machines also, so it isn't something that will be a problem on older versions: # pciconf -l [EMAIL PROTECTED]:0:0: class=0x06 card=0x chip=0x700c1022 rev=0x20 hdr=0x00 ... And, more specifically, we can get: # pciconf -l -v [EMAIL PROTECTED]:9:0: class=0x010400 card=0xc0351044 chip=0xa5111044 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Adaptec (Formerly: Distributed Processing Technology (DPT))' device = 'Raptor SmartRAID Controller' class= mass storage subclass = RAID All of the expanded 'vendor', 'device', 'class' and 'subclass' information is present in the non -v version of the command output. The numbers shown earlier can be used to derive the text information: class=0x010400 determines the class/subclass lines, using the table from here: http://fxr.watson.org/fxr/source/dev/pci/pci.c#L1340 card=0xc0351044 chip=0xa5111044 these make up the vendor and device lines, using the list in /usr/share/misc/pci_vendors (which is derived from the PCIDEVS.TXT listing). The last 4 hex digits of the card and chip lines are the vendor ID while the first 4 are the device ID. The card is often given by the vendor, while the chip identifies the actual part it uses to implement functionality. For instance, a Netcomm ethernet NIC may use a Realtek 8139 chip... so chip gives us the fact it's essentially a generic Realtek chipset, while the card tells us the vendor who manufactured the card perhaps their name for it. In short, there's no reason to have to transmit all the text names back to any server -- this can all be resolved at the server end, So, with that one command, we can get a fair amount of hardware information ... but, how to feed that into a proper HTTP request? Storing all of that information would be cool, cause then we could build reports based on device driver / vendor / device / class and subclass ... but that might be a bit heavy to do in an HTTP request, no? I take it email isn't an option, in your case? Email may be a viable alternative -- one concern with email is that various organisations SMTP servers blast their own disclaimer message and so on across the bottom of all out-going emails, which might complicate parsing of it on the server end. If you're only encoding purely the numeric details, this would make the information far lighter to transmit than having the whole text blurb. Just the pciconf -l version as-is: ~$ pciconf -l|wc -c 1545 So that's ~1500 bytes. Now strip out all the unnecessary text - the class=, card=, chip=, rev=, hdr=, extra spaces... something like: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:5:0: 01 34358086 00301000 08 00 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:5:1: 01 34358086 00301000 08 00 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:4:0: 02 10798086 10798086 03 00 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:4:1: 02 10798086 10798086 03 00 ~$ cat pciconf-stripped | wc -c 899 We've nearly halved the size of the information. Now it's still in ASCII, so you could further shave bits off by converting that to binary if you wanted to... With that amount of information, you'd probably be more inclined to want to use HTTP POST than HTTP GET. A quick glance suggests libfetch(3) doesn't support this; I haven't looked at the code enough to see if adding support for it would be trivial or not. 899 bytes * (10^7) = 8.37258995 gigabytes... Remember... Once this code is pushed out to hosts you can't change it. 10 years from now we'll still have hosts sending in old data What was wrong with my netcat idea? uname -mr | nc statistics.freebsd.org 1234 It's one, short, line of code and you know exactly what it's doing. Simple, Easy, Done. -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: vidcontrol
On 8/3/06, Jeff Molofee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've noticed an odd problem when I set allscreens_flags=MODE_282. If I set this in rc.conf, when I reboot my machine, the minute GDM comes up, I can see black on the top half of my screen, overwriting everything else on the screen. As I move the mouse, the black lines overwrite more of the screen. I can also see a very tiny cursor moving in the black. What this looks like to me, is that part of the console screen memory is overwriting the screen. Is there a fix for this or is this a known problem? If I disable the allscreens_flags in rc.conf, boot normally, switch to a console CTLR_ALT-F1from within Gnome then run vidcontrol MODE_282 then switch back everything is fine... no corruption. Sounds like a problem with the video card anyhow... file a problem report: http://www.freebsd.org/send-pr.html -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?
On 8/3/06, Antony Mawer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/08/2006 11:44 AM, Nikolas Britton wrote: 899 bytes * (10^7) = 8.37258995 gigabytes... Remember... Once this code is pushed out to hosts you can't change it. 10 years from now we'll still have hosts sending in old data What was wrong with my netcat idea? uname -mr | nc statistics.freebsd.org 1234 It's one, short, line of code and you know exactly what it's doing. Simple, Easy, Done. Part of the idea I mentioned earlier was using a hash of this information... so the first time you send it through, you generate a hash and store it... then in future you can iterate over the hardware list, hash it, compare it against your stored hash, and only send if the hardware inventory has changed... Not everywhere has unrestricted access out to the Internet via whatever port they want... I know of many sites that only allow HTTP, and only via a proxy... Ok how about: uname -mr | nc statistics.freebsd.org 80 Wow, that was easy! :-) -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: best way to copy from one fbsd box to another
On 8/1/06, John Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 01 August 2006 14:04, Bill Moran wrote: In response to David Banning [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I am installing a new server and have to copy many files from old server to new. I have connected a windows box to each via samba, and am dragging from one to the other via the windows box. This might seem like a silly question, but what is the way to copy -directly- from one fbsd box to another? Usually NFS or scp. There are other choices, though. For many situations my favorite is tar+netcat (w/ optional bzip2 compression). On the destination host: cd /some/path nc -l 1234 | tar -xjvf - And on the source host: cd /some/path tar -cjvf - relative/path/to/source/dir | nc destip 1234 If you don't want compression leave out the 'j' flag in both calls to tar. scp is your best bet if you need encryption though (take note of the -r and -C flags). I'll 2nd netcat... one of the most versatile tool I've come across in UNIX land! http://www.securitydocs.com/library/3376 http://www.rajeevnet.com/hacks_hints/os_clone/os_cloning.html http://www.stearns.org/doc/nc-intro.current.html One thing I'd like to add to Johns comment is to not use compression if your on a GigE network, The overhead required to do this will max out the CPU, the net effect being very slow transfer rates. It also helps to not use tar -v, you will miss error messages if you use -v because the SNR is very low, it consumes CPU time too. -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Replacing windows XP at home.
On 8/2/06, Joshua Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am actually not looking for a Windows look alike. I am simply replacing my XP system with a BSD solution. I am looking for a fast easy to configure and fun WM. I am absolutely looking for something new to use. not Windows like. That is why I was looking at enlightenment and fluxbox. but there are just so many I was hoping to get ideas as to why one would choose one over the other. Other then personal preference. I have been using enlightenment for about a week and perhaps it is something I did but my resolution is stuck at 1600x1280 at 65Hz. My monitor keeps getting mad at me and telling me that is not the recommended solution. I have been trying to figure out how to change it and I have updated the xorg.conf as the handbook says but it still defaults. Unless anyone has an idea why I am going to switch to fluxbox and see how that feels. I did want to mention that I do agree with your point. I am looking for something new and I am looking to experiment with other ways of doing things. But at the same time I would like a little eye candy. After all with today's power full systems there is nothing wrong with waisting a few CPU cycles to make the experience a little more enjoyable. I will certainly give XFCE a try I have seen allot of recommendations for that as well. Sincerely, Joshua Lewis /etc/X11/xorg.conf should look sorta like this, yours should have more Display SubSections in it: Section Screen Identifier Screen0 Device Card0 MonitorMonitor0 DefaultDepth 24 SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 Modes 1280x1024 EndSubSection EndSection -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?
On 8/2/06, Alex Zbyslaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Atom Powers wrote: It's still going to take you at least a release to get it into the base install. But if you can find a way to use the portsnap data and get useful information out of the cvsup data you can probably get numbers now with an error margin as low as 8% to 15%. Hey, I said that a week ago! Guess I agree with you :-) Not quite convinced by the error margin, but as long as you count too low then I see no problem. If, as Nikolas pointed out, a URL-based reporting scheme can be bombarded with fakes, as a vendor I would not want to listen to any numbers it produced. But the question then goes back to: can you make any kind of count out of cvsup servers? Someone already said they thought you couldn't. At the end of the day, I think that unique IP address is as close as it's possible to get to host count. It will undercount NATed hosts and networks with single cvsup/portsnap distribution points, and will overcount variable IP addresses. The latter, I think matters the least as long as you do your stats over a short enough period (e.g. 1 month). That wouldn't overcount much and deliberate faking would be hard and limited (how many IP addresses can one faker get access to?). Then, as long as the methodology is clearly explained along with any stats, you'd have the ammunition to persuade vendors (we hope). --Alex The problem with cvsup (I use cvsup.) is the error margin. The closer we get to release dates the more I use cvsup, It's a side effect of running -STABLE. anyways... back to the fakers... Lets think about the usage patterns of a typical faker vs NAT: Faker: * All from one IP address. * Sequential requests. * Scripted, so each request should be timed perfectly with the one before and the one after it. * Thousands of requests. NATed Boxes: * All from one IP address. * Parallel requests. * Not scripted, requests should be more random. * Hundreds of requests? Also I seem to remember a way to detect NATed boxes: http://www.google.com/search?client=operarls=enq=detecting+NATsourceid=operaie=utf-8oe=utf-8 -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: options VESA SC_PIXEL_MODE
On 8/2/06, dick hoogendijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I followed some advice on how to get higher resolutions on the console for my 1280x1024 LCD monitor. I recompiled the kernel with options VESA options SC_PIXEL_MODE After a vidcontrol MODE_282 I get a 1280x1024 console. Nice, but the characters are just fat compared to the chars I get in Xorg running the same resolution setting (those terminal chars are very sharp). This is typical of LCD and notebook screens in any OS. It a limitation of the display technology. Try another mode vidcontrol -i mode that has a smaller fonts. You could try forcing the font size smaller but I don't know how to do that. What about MODE_279? Furthermore it feels as though the screen has become a little slower then without vesa and sc_pixel_mode (in the console). Can this be? Or is this just my imagination. It's not your imagination. -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?
On 8/2/06, Alex Zbyslaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nikolas Britton wrote: On 8/2/06, Alex Zbyslaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the question then goes back to: can you make any kind of count out of cvsup servers? Someone already said they thought you couldn't. At the end of the day, I think that unique IP address is as close as it's possible to get to host count. It will undercount NATed hosts and networks with single cvsup/portsnap distribution points, and will overcount variable IP addresses. The latter, I think matters the least as long as you do your stats over a short enough period (e.g. 1 month). That wouldn't overcount much and deliberate faking would be hard and limited (how many IP addresses can one faker get access to?). The problem with cvsup (I use cvsup.) is the error margin. The closer we get to release dates the more I use cvsup, It's a side effect of running -STABLE. anyways... back to the fakers... Lets think about the usage patterns of a typical faker vs NAT: Faker: * All from one IP address. * Sequential requests. * Scripted, so each request should be timed perfectly with the one before and the one after it. * Thousands of requests. NATed Boxes: * All from one IP address. * Parallel requests. * Not scripted, requests should be more random. * Hundreds of requests? But if what you are counting is IP addresses then you faker has achieved nothing. You're not counting connections, but IP addresses. Yes, you undercount NATed and yes you undercount when distribution points are used, but I don't see any easy way to fake, at least not on the scale of a URL. Yes, if you happen to have 200 IP addresses, you could probably assign each in turn to your BSD box and cvsup, but this seems less likely to me, and is inherently limited. Sometimes I cvsup three times a day - in which case all are likely to come from same IP. Sometimes I cvsup once a month or less, in which case looking at statistics only over the last month will tend to flatten any effect from variable IPs. It's far from perfect, but unless you want each installation to have its own license number and a GenuineFreeBSD program which enforces unique license numbers somehow, I don't think there is a perfect answer. I'm guessing no-one in their right might does want this kind of enforcement ;-) This may sound dumb but why don't we just put a registration link on the FreeBSD main page... or registration in sysinstall. Isn't this how everyone else handles the problem? -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 17 or 19
On 8/2/06, dick hoogendijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Two LCD screens. Both have the same resolution (1280x1024) The 19 is $100 more expensive as the 17 What would to your opinions be the right thing to do. Go for the 17 or the larger (but probably a little less crystal sharp) 19 one. I'm not that rich. Probably my doubts are rooted in this;-) Thanks for any advice. Me? I'd go for two monster 22 inch CRTs, or three 19 inch CRTs. -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Intel 82563EB + Blackford on v6.1
On 6/16/06, Danial Thom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems that most of the new MBs with the Blackford chipset use the 82563EB dual gig intel controller. Is there support forthcoming for the controller? Has anyone tested with a blackford MB yet? Ditto... Supermicro X7DBE. Where is the driver??? These chips will be hitting the market like hot cakes very soon... Xeons don't suck anymore. -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?
On 7/31/06, User Freebsd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 31 Jul 2006, Xiao-Yong Jin wrote: Chris Whitehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alex Zbyslaw wrote: Counting portsnap and cvsup accesses is non-intrusive - i.e. nothing sent from local host - will count systems from any version of FreeBSD, but will never count everything because sites with multiple hosts may easily have local propagation mechanisms. But you will get an order of magnitude. However, how do you deal with systems with variable IPs? I don't know enough about the internals of either portsnap or cvsup to know if there is some kind of unique id associated with hosts. If not, then you'd wildly over count for many home-based, variable IP systems. Maybe not so many, my non-static ip hasn't changed since I signed up 3 years ago despite turning off the modem for the odd day or two. Another network I look after also hasn't changed in a year. But one can't rely on that. You'll definitely see more than one ip associated with my laptop, if I move it around. A more reliable way that I can think of is generating a unique ID number when a system finishes installation or upon the first boot. However, it may involve some additional privacy problem. What do you think? How does Solaris generate its 'hostid'? Is it a hardware/sparc thing, or software? Generating a unique anonymous key is easy, proving why we need it is not. Ok, here it is, ifconfig | sha256 | md5 . 16^32 unique anonymous keys. Every host needs to have a NIC to send results so all ifconfig outputs will be different. Now... What does this solve and why do we need to add 32 extra bytes? (20 + 32) bytes * (10^7) = 495.910645 megabytes. The FreeBSD team would need a 6.6Mbit/s uplink to handle peak load assuming 50% of the hosts are set to UTC/GMT time and all trigger within 5 minutes of each other I'm not going to pay for that connection. -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?
On 8/1/06, Robert Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
User Freebsd writes:
Actually, using ifconfig wouldn't work ... it would give unique, but as
soon as you add another IP (ie. alias), the ID would change ... you'd need
to do something like:
ifconfig | grep ether | sha256 | md5
since the 'ether' would never change ...
At least some cards (+ FreeBSD drivers) allow you to set the
MAC address
You still don't get it! Maybe this simple perl program will illustrate
the problem:
my $number = 1;
my $randomkey = ;
while (0 == 0) {
$randomkey = `echo $number | md5`;
print fetch http://www.hub.org/freebsd_stats.php?HOSTID=$randomkey;;
$number++
}
Also by using only the mac address output of ifconfig you have limited
the pool of unique keys to 16^12 (281,474,976,710,656)!!! All I need
to do to find your mac address is compute all possible mac address
combinations into MD5 and then just simply match it up with yours.
Anonymity only works if the input is large then the output!!! Because
it's computationally impossible to compute all values of a 500+ byte
string etc. etc. The MD5 string maps back to at least (how do you
compute the collisions?) two SHA256 keys and the SHA256 maps back to
at least two ifconfig strings.
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Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?
On 8/1/06, Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why not just add in the patch in kern/65627 and run the CPU serial number
through
your hash?
Because you can still fake the dam thing, making the whole idea
useless!!! Am I the only one that can see this ... what the hell
people! I just showed you a working crack! Need to see it again?:
my $number = 1;
my $randomkey = ;
while (0 == 0) {
$randomkey = `echo $number | md5`;
print fetch http://www.hub.org/freebsd_stats.php?HOSTID=$randomkey;;
$number++
}
OUT:
fetch
http://www.hub.org/freebsd_stats.php?HOSTID=e8b3fad8939670f85e0fce777cae8e0c
fetch
http://www.hub.org/freebsd_stats.php?HOSTID=91e572785d190fec766a5b7caef16597
fetch
http://www.hub.org/freebsd_stats.php?HOSTID=e8150443d9befbfba9ee6ca40af076e7
fetch
http://www.hub.org/freebsd_stats.php?HOSTID=b1aefc59367a7d512104f2f63bf1afb8
fetch
http://www.hub.org/freebsd_stats.php?HOSTID=bf883c70f506603c86c8785cca8eef5e
fetch
http://www.hub.org/freebsd_stats.php?HOSTID=79e005d4f379e549eaff7106ede744b7
fetch
http://www.hub.org/freebsd_stats.php?HOSTID=de09c238162dae88e9372102fe114be9
fetch
http://www.hub.org/freebsd_stats.php?HOSTID=7ac8e65d693f525db9fabb061f15ac8b
fetch
http://www.hub.org/freebsd_stats.php?HOSTID=14e16452a9bdff69e5177ee4de0631e0
fetch
http://www.hub.org/freebsd_stats.php?HOSTID=5432cc5903e4ff9b556561c5b553220b
fetch
http://www.hub.org/freebsd_stats.php?HOSTID=263aaf7d4910cce7b66e2e4438d65ab2
fetch
http://www.hub.org/freebsd_stats.php?HOSTID=083d41d985775a53c2ada0c66b1a7d4c
fetch
http://www.hub.org/freebsd_stats.php?HOSTID=3e1b6b0b9c5c4d478b4a161c6e1c5d46
fetch
http://www.hub.org/freebsd_stats.php?HOSTID=1aed1b7d4add59bedfd21df56e15cd90
fetch
http://www.hub.org/freebsd_stats.php?HOSTID=233196bee8136806b7570532d1d34349
fetch
http://www.hub.org/freebsd_stats.php?HOSTID=56753858102f51b756c93bd5c0dbfaa5
fetch
http://www.hub.org/freebsd_stats.php?HOSTID=baea3619ea55ee516e3c556ffb7fd287
fetch
http://www.hub.org/freebsd_stats.php?HOSTID=cf49ffbeb51fd9864386388a68f41059
fetch
http://www.hub.org/freebsd_stats.php?HOSTID=f5c052e568711a4cb61890d7114d1f43
fetch
http://www.hub.org/freebsd_stats.php?HOSTID=5796f413c62eb369fa15c37fffb748f8
fetch
http://www.hub.org/freebsd_stats.php?HOSTID=4574ee7d3334a609c5b4de66f1527eca
Surrounded by #$%^*$@ idiots.
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SATA Cables Suck!
The number one problem I've had with SATA RAIDs has been the cables! 4 times I've lost arrays because the cables came loose or some other stupid problem with the cables. I need a vendor that has high quality latching SATA-II cables. Also... what can we do with the old cables to fix them... super glue them on?... Here's a question... Are all SATA cables rated for SATA-II? I've never seen a definitive answer to this question and newegg.com does not sells SATA-II cables... Also does the spec call for shielded cables? frustrated, need a place to unload thanks. -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SATA Cables Suck!
On 8/1/06, jdow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The number one problem I've had with SATA RAIDs has been the cables! 4
times I've lost arrays because the cables came loose or some other
stupid problem with the cables.
I need a vendor that has high quality latching SATA-II cables. Also...
what can we do with the old cables to fix them... super glue them
on?... Here's a question... Are all SATA cables rated for SATA-II?
I've never seen a definitive answer to this question and newegg.com
does not sells SATA-II cables... Also does the spec call for
shielded cables?
frustrated, need a place to unload thanks.
First google hit SATA-II cable specification:
http://www.satacable.com/
Second google site hit
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2076134CatId=84
I've done business with Tiger Direct. They were prompt for delivery.
Searching for things on their site was annoying, though.
Adding site:newegg to the search gives:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16812207001
and
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16812162003
First has a right angle connector.
You were saying?
{^_^}
Already looked at the Silverstone cables a few days ago, too many bad
reviews about the cables snapping in two. Do you have any of these
Silverstone cables... can you comment on the quality? thanks.
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Re: SATA Cables Suck!
On 8/1/06, Jonathan Horne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 01 August 2006 19:23, Nikolas Britton wrote: The number one problem I've had with SATA RAIDs has been the cables! 4 times I've lost arrays because the cables came loose or some other stupid problem with the cables. I need a vendor that has high quality latching SATA-II cables. Also... what can we do with the old cables to fix them... super glue them on?... Here's a question... Are all SATA cables rated for SATA-II? I've never seen a definitive answer to this question and newegg.com does not sells SATA-II cables... Also does the spec call for shielded cables? frustrated, need a place to unload thanks. when i built my computer 2 years ago, i went for sata drives for the first time. my intial impression was wow... is that actually going to stay connected? Now that I've rationally thought about it, it's possible the backplane is flaky... I still think the cable connectors are to loose. Maybe I've been jaded by a bad batch of cables and a flaky backplane. -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?
On 8/1/06, User Freebsd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, Nikolas Britton wrote:
On 8/1/06, Robert Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
User Freebsd writes:
Actually, using ifconfig wouldn't work ... it would give unique, but as
soon as you add another IP (ie. alias), the ID would change ... you'd
need
to do something like:
ifconfig | grep ether | sha256 | md5
since the 'ether' would never change ...
At least some cards (+ FreeBSD drivers) allow you to set the
MAC address
You still don't get it! Maybe this simple perl program will illustrate
the problem:
my $number = 1;
my $randomkey = ;
while (0 == 0) {
$randomkey = `echo $number | md5`;
print fetch http://www.hub.org/freebsd_stats.php?HOSTID=$randomkey;;
$number++
}
Also by using only the mac address output of ifconfig you have limited
the pool of unique keys to 16^12 (281,474,976,710,656)!!! All I need
to do to find your mac address is compute all possible mac address
combinations into MD5 and then just simply match it up with yours.
Anonymity only works if the input is large then the output!!! Because
it's computationally impossible to compute all values of a 500+ byte
string etc. etc. The MD5 string maps back to at least (how do you
compute the collisions?) two SHA256 keys and the SHA256 maps back to
at least two ifconfig strings.
Thing is, we aren't so much looking for anonymity as we are uniqueness,
but, wouldn't the CPU serial id not be both?
Ok.. lets start from the top, again. Why do we need uniqueness?
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Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?
On 8/1/06, User Freebsd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, Nikolas Britton wrote: Ok.. lets start from the top, again. Why do we need uniqueness? We want to count each host reporting *once* ... without uniqueness per host, how are you going to know whether to update a hosts record, instead of add it as a new host? But no matter what you do you can never guaranty a hosts uniqueness... What you want to do is akin to DRM and there is no way to do this in the open source world. What is wrong with a total host count? If all hosts are reporting in once per month then whats the problem?... just simple addition: DATA: 6.1-STABLE i386 6.0-RELEASE i386 6.1-RELEASE-p2 AMD Using that sample data above we had a total of 3 hosts report in during the month of X. After that you can break the data down, for example there are two I386 system for every one AMD system etc. etc. etc. We don't need to tracking each host to get a count of new systems... Just take the total from month X and subtract it from month Y to get Z, the new hosts that reported in. -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?
On 7/31/06, User Freebsd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 31 Jul 2006, Svein Halvor Halvorsen wrote: Colin Percival wrote: There are still a lot of people (particularly on pre-6.0 systems) who are using CVSup rather than portsnap for updating their ports trees. Also, I would guess that some people who run multiple FreeBSD systems, use some sort of local propagation of either the entire ports tree, or locally compiled packages. I work as a sysadmin at the students computer lab at the mathematics department at the Norwegian university of science and technology, and we take this approach. Not that the maths department is a large one, but we have fifty-some workstations and a couple of servers running FreeBSD. Only one or two of which would show up in the portsnap stats. Ya, that is the part that throws the #s out completely ... its those 'ghost machines' that would be nice to see counted somehow ... How about something as innoculous as: fetch http://statsserver.domain/aliveping.php?version=`uname -mr`hostname=`hostname` run as part of periodic daily ... ? uname -mr would have to be properly formatted for a URL, but that would give a distinct IP / hostname for indexing, and OS version, take neglible bandwidth to run, and, I believe, doesn't give out any *sensitive* information ... DAILY! Are you out of your mind? and we don't need to collect hostnames. Can we just start with something simple like: 'uname -mr | nc statistics.freebsd.org port' in the monthly periodic. On the server side you can make some custom program to collect these and the ip address (not that it's needed). This will work in the mean time: 'nc -klo port statistics_data_file' Then have a daily_statistics_enable=YES in /etc/defaults/perodic.conf, so that ppl can opt out of it ... -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?
My calculations are off, I though the monthly periodic was relative to the system install date. Here are the new numbers: Lets say each client sends 20 bytes and their are 10^7 clients for a total of 190.7MB per month. Now... Lets say 50% (10^6.7) of those clients are set to UTC and all of them trigger on the first of the month within 5 minutes of each other (10^6 per minute). This equates to 16706 clients per second. We would need 326KB/s or 2610Kbit/s to handle this load. This is a problem, even half of that is a problem. On 7/29/06, Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/29/06, User Freebsd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 28 Jul 2006, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: You might think this sounds harmless but folks have done this kind of thing in the past with other products and wreaked havoc on the Internet. You can start by referencing dlink ntp fiasco in google to get an idea of what can happen to these kinds of well meaning attempts. Let sleeping dogs lie. 'k, you lost me on how this relates to the fiasco ... I did a quick search on Google for it, and, unless I didn't find the right reference, the 'fiasco' had to do with DLink setting up their software to ping PHKs NTP Server, without getting permissions first, and, thereby, flooding him with NTP requests ... People just don't realize just how very big the Internet is. That is the problem, yes ... nobody knows how big the FreeBSD community is ... :) I have to agree with Marc on this one. The extra load required to send all of this data is not much: Lets say each client sends 20 bytes and their are 10^7 clients for a total of 190.7MB per month or 6.25MB per day . Now... Lets say 50% (10^6.7) of those clients are set to UTC and 50% of those clients (10^6.4) trigger the monthly periodic over a 5 day period (10^5.7 each day) and all of them phone home within 5 minutes of each other (10^5 per minute) for a total of 1666.67 clients per second. We would need 32.6KB/s or 260.4Kbit/s to handle this load spike... I did the calculations for 10 million clients, but I highly doubt FreeBSD has 5 million so this is a non issue. -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ?
On 7/31/06, Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Born, Clinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: FreeBSD Questions freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 10:15 PM Subject: Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ? On Jul 30, 2006, at 11:11 PM, Born, Clinton wrote: Please explain? Because I like people to have an objective view when it comes to making technology decisions. We've made bad technology work, and I've seen free software cost more than the most expensive Microsoft license. Too many variables are involved and anyone evangelizing a single system should be viewed with skepticism.. Is this what you mean buy out of touch? The comparison to Hezbollah. There is not one item to compare between tech fanatics and Hezbollah -- only contrast. I personally am not an Open Source (O.S.) weenie, and some folks are O.S. fanatics etc (usually you find these in the Linux fan-boy club but they probably exist everywhere) but I have yet to see a MS solution that was the best solution to a given problem. I have, plenty of times. MS is the best solution for an application program that won't run on any other platform than Windows. No that's called vendor lock-in. I make it a point to buy recommend software that will run on at least two different platforms. People who can code on multiple platforms are usually more experienced and produce better code and are more willing to port to other platforms and work with you. Here's my decision tree: Multi-platform FOSS, if none then: Multi-platform propriety, if none then: Uni-platform FOSS, if none then: Uni-platform propriety. -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: been buggin' me for a while now (console resolution)
On 7/10/06, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am running 5.4-STABLE and I would like to have better resolution (more lines and columns) when I boot into console. I used to be able to issue a command once there but I have forgotten that command. I remember trying to allude to it via rc.conf or a startup file (rc.local?) but it did not work. It seems to me that I needed the following in my rc.conf as a pre-requisite: font8x8=iso-8x8.fnt font8x14=iso-8x14.fnt font8x16=iso-8x16.fnt So does anyone know how I can automatically get smaller fonts in my console? I can't believe no one has told you this! Put this in the kernel: options VESA# VESA BIOS support options SC_PIXEL_MODE # Raster text (VESA graphic modes) now rebuild the kernel and add this to /etc/rc.conf: allscreens_flags=MODE_282 You will have a 1280x1024 console after you reboot if your video card has a real VESA BIOS. If that's too much console for you try MODE_279 (1024x768). For a full list of modes supported by your video card type in at the console (it won't work in an X) 'vidcontrol -i mode |grep G' the first column lists the MODE id number. To change the mode on the fly use 'vidcontrol MODE_mode'. Also try the extra cool blinking block cursor with: allscreens_flags= -c blink MODE_282. -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
