how should I upgrade all these ports??

2009-01-12 Thread Tsu-Fan Cheng
Hi,
  I just csup my port tree this morning (01/12), and realized there is
a whole lot ports need my attention (49 of them). I checked out
UPDATES and found out that gnome and GTK+ have just been updated. But
i don't have gtkmm or gnome-session installed, I wonder if I should
still upgrade my ports just as described in the UPDATES. Here is the
list:

=== New version available: gnomehier-2.3_11
=== New version available: lame-3.98.2_1
=== New version available: libcheck-0.9.6
=== New version available: ORBit2-2.14.16
=== New version available: arts-1.5.10_1,1
=== New version available: atk-1.24.0
=== New version available: cairo-1.8.6,1
=== New version available: consolekit-0.3.0_3
=== New version available: dbus-1.2.4.2
=== New version available: dbus-glib-0.78
=== New version available: esound-0.2.41
=== New version available: fontconfig-2.6.0,1
=== New version available: gamin-0.1.10
=== New version available: gconf2-2.24.0
=== New version available: gio-fam-backend-2.18.4
=== New version available: glib-2.18.4
=== New version available: gnome-doc-utils-0.14.2
=== New version available: gnome-icon-theme-2.24.0_2
=== New version available: gnome-keyring-2.24.1_1
=== New version available: gnome-vfs-2.24.0
=== New version available: gtk-2.14.7
=== New version available: gtk-engines2-2.16.1
=== New version available: gvfs-1.0.3
=== New version available: hal-0.5.11_10
=== New version available: libbonobo-2.24.0
=== New version available: libbonoboui-2.24.0
=== New version available: libgnome-2.24.1
=== New version available: libgnomeui-2.24.0
=== New version available: libgsf-1.14.11
=== New version available: libnotify-0.4.5
=== New version available: librsvg2-2.22.3_1
=== New version available: libsoup-2.24.2.1
=== New version available: libxml2-2.7.2_1
=== New version available: pango-1.22.4
=== New version available: pixman-0.12.0
=== New version available: policykit-0.9_2
=== New version available: policykit-gnome-0.9.2
=== New version available: py25-cairo-1.8.0_2
=== New version available: py25-gobject-2.16.0
=== New version available: py25-gtk-2.13.0_1
=== New version available: py25-libxml2-2.7.2
=== New version available: firefox-3.0.5_1,1
=== New version available: firefox-3.0.a2_5,1
=== New version available: gnome-menus-2.24.2
=== New version available: intltool-0.40.5
=== New version available: libgweather-2.24.2
=== New version available: libwnck-2.24.2
=== New version available: py25-orbit-2.24.0
=== New version available: webkit-gtk2-1.0.1_4
=== 49 have new versions available


thank you!!

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how should I upgrade all these ports??

2009-01-12 Thread Robert Huff
Tsu-Fan Cheng writes:

I just csup my port tree this morning (01/12), and realized
  there is a whole lot ports need my attention (49 of them). I
  checked out UPDATES and found out that gnome and GTK+ have just
  been updated. But i don't have gtkmm or gnome-session installed,
  I wonder if I should still upgrade my ports just as described in
  the UPDATES.

In short, yes.  Many (but not all) of these a) are part of
GNOME or b) have a GNOME component in their dependencies.  The
update procedure is there for a reason.
(Advice: make sure you have the latest vesion of UPDATING.
Additional useful information was added in the last 24 hours.)


Robert Huff


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Re: how should I upgrade all these ports??

2009-01-12 Thread Julien Cigar
Always read /usr/ports/UPDATING before any upgrade. After that you can
use portmaster (the one I use) or portupgrade to upgrade all those
outdated ports with a single command : portmaster -avd

On Mon, 2009-01-12 at 10:08 -0500, Tsu-Fan Cheng wrote:
 Hi,
   I just csup my port tree this morning (01/12), and realized there is
 a whole lot ports need my attention (49 of them). I checked out
 UPDATES and found out that gnome and GTK+ have just been updated. But
 i don't have gtkmm or gnome-session installed, I wonder if I should
 still upgrade my ports just as described in the UPDATES. Here is the
 list:
 
   === New version available: gnomehier-2.3_11
   === New version available: lame-3.98.2_1
   === New version available: libcheck-0.9.6
   === New version available: ORBit2-2.14.16
   === New version available: arts-1.5.10_1,1
   === New version available: atk-1.24.0
   === New version available: cairo-1.8.6,1
   === New version available: consolekit-0.3.0_3
   === New version available: dbus-1.2.4.2
   === New version available: dbus-glib-0.78
   === New version available: esound-0.2.41
   === New version available: fontconfig-2.6.0,1
   === New version available: gamin-0.1.10
   === New version available: gconf2-2.24.0
   === New version available: gio-fam-backend-2.18.4
   === New version available: glib-2.18.4
   === New version available: gnome-doc-utils-0.14.2
   === New version available: gnome-icon-theme-2.24.0_2
   === New version available: gnome-keyring-2.24.1_1
   === New version available: gnome-vfs-2.24.0
   === New version available: gtk-2.14.7
   === New version available: gtk-engines2-2.16.1
   === New version available: gvfs-1.0.3
   === New version available: hal-0.5.11_10
   === New version available: libbonobo-2.24.0
   === New version available: libbonoboui-2.24.0
   === New version available: libgnome-2.24.1
   === New version available: libgnomeui-2.24.0
   === New version available: libgsf-1.14.11
   === New version available: libnotify-0.4.5
   === New version available: librsvg2-2.22.3_1
   === New version available: libsoup-2.24.2.1
   === New version available: libxml2-2.7.2_1
   === New version available: pango-1.22.4
   === New version available: pixman-0.12.0
   === New version available: policykit-0.9_2
   === New version available: policykit-gnome-0.9.2
   === New version available: py25-cairo-1.8.0_2
   === New version available: py25-gobject-2.16.0
   === New version available: py25-gtk-2.13.0_1
   === New version available: py25-libxml2-2.7.2
   === New version available: firefox-3.0.5_1,1
   === New version available: firefox-3.0.a2_5,1
   === New version available: gnome-menus-2.24.2
   === New version available: intltool-0.40.5
   === New version available: libgweather-2.24.2
   === New version available: libwnck-2.24.2
   === New version available: py25-orbit-2.24.0
   === New version available: webkit-gtk2-1.0.1_4
   === 49 have new versions available
 
 
 thank you!!
 
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Can't Upgrade Python Through Ports

2006-10-02 Thread Ted Johnson
Hi; 
I have python 2.3.5 and I'd like to upgrade to 2.4.3. I've tried installing 
from FreeBSD ports and the oldfashioned way from source code, with the 
configure  make  make install dance, and still when I call up my python 
interpreter it tells me I'm in 2.3.5! Why? I didn't do altinstall! What 
gives? 
TIA,
Ted2

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Re: Can't Upgrade Python Through Ports

2006-10-02 Thread Ivan Levchenko

Try the following in the python port directory:

make install clean

On 10/2/06, Ted Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi;
I have python 2.3.5 and I'd like to upgrade to 2.4.3. I've tried installing from FreeBSD ports and the oldfashioned 
way from source code, with the configure  make  make install dance, and still when 
I call up my python interpreter it tells me I'm in 2.3.5! Why? I didn't do altinstall! What gives?
TIA,
Ted2

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Re: Can't Upgrade Python Through Ports

2006-10-02 Thread Ted Johnson
Right. I tried that before writing, but I forgot to specify as much. No, that 
didn't work either. Here are a couple of peculiarities:

* I took over this box from someone who didn't know the difference between 
FreeBSD and Linux. So, he built the original Python in a different dir.
* The original python powers several Zope instances.

Having said as much, years ago I had two versions of python running, one for 
Zope and one for everything else. So this should work. Anyway, it doesn't!

More ideas?
TIA.
Ted

Ivan Levchenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try the following in the python port 
directory:

make install clean

On 10/2/06, Ted Johnson  wrote:
 Hi;
 I have python 2.3.5 and I'd like to upgrade to 2.4.3. I've tried installing 
 from FreeBSD ports and the oldfashioned way from source code, with the 
 configure  make  make install dance, and still when I call up my python 
 interpreter it tells me I'm in 2.3.5! Why? I didn't do altinstall! What 
 gives?
 TIA,
 Ted2

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Re: Can't Upgrade Python Through Ports

2006-10-02 Thread Ivan Levchenko

What are the error messages?

On 10/2/06, Ted Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Right. I tried that before writing, but I forgot to specify as much. No,
that didn't work either. Here are a couple of peculiarities:

* I took over this box from someone who didn't know the difference between
FreeBSD and Linux. So, he built the original Python in a different dir.
* The original python powers several Zope instances.

Having said as much, years ago I had two versions of python running, one for
Zope and one for everything else. So this should work. Anyway, it doesn't!

More ideas?
TIA.
Ted

Ivan Levchenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Try the following in the python port directory:

make install clean

On 10/2/06, Ted Johnson wrote:
 Hi;
 I have python 2.3.5 and I'd like to upgrade to 2.4.3. I've tried
installing from FreeBSD ports and the oldfashioned way from source code,
with the configure  make  make install dance, and still when I call up
my python interpreter it tells me I'm in 2.3.5! Why? I didn't do
altinstall! What gives?
 TIA,
 Ted2

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Re: Can't Upgrade Python Through Ports

2006-10-02 Thread Dave McCammon


--- Ted Johnson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi; 
 I have python 2.3.5 and I'd like to upgrade to
 2.4.3. I've tried installing from FreeBSD ports and
 the oldfashioned way from source code, with the
 configure  make  make install dance, and still
 when I call up my python interpreter it tells me I'm
 in 2.3.5! Why? I didn't do altinstall! What gives?
 
 TIA,
 Ted2
   

Where is the 2.3.5 version installed? Perhaps it is
installed in a directory earlier in your PATH than the
2.4.3 versions directory(/usr/local/bin/).


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Re: Can't Upgrade Python Through Ports

2006-10-02 Thread Ted Johnson
When I read your answer I *knew* you were right! And right you were! Thanks!
Ted2

Dave McCammon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

--- Ted Johnson
 wrote:

 Hi; 
 I have python 2.3.5 and I'd like to upgrade to
 2.4.3. I've tried installing from FreeBSD ports and
 the oldfashioned way from source code, with the
 configure  make  make install dance, and still
 when I call up my python interpreter it tells me I'm
 in 2.3.5! Why? I didn't do altinstall! What gives?
 
 TIA,
 Ted2


Where is the 2.3.5 version installed? Perhaps it is
installed in a directory earlier in your PATH than the
2.4.3 versions directory(/usr/local/bin/).


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Upgrade sendmail via ports - version in smtp greeting doesn't match

2006-01-25 Thread Barry Byrne
All:

Not a major issue, but I've upgraded sendmail on a 4.11 box via the ports.
All appears to be working, but if I look at the SMTP greeting, the version
of sendmail or the config version is incorrect. The latter version (8.13.1)
would have been the version prior to the port upgrade.

220 mail.domain.com ESMTP Sendmail 8.13.5/8.13.1;

From memory, I think the first number is the sendmail version and the second
the config version.

I've done the make all, make install, make install-cf etc. from /etc/mail
and also done a make mailer.conf from the sendmail ports directory. 

Any help on what I should do here would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Barry

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RE: Upgrade sendmail via ports - version in smtp greeting doesn't match

2006-01-25 Thread Barry Byrne
Seem to have solved this. Not sure it's the correct thing to do, but
modified the Makefile in /etc/mail by adding a check for
/usr/local/share/sendmail/cf for the config files. 

Seems to be OK now.

 - Barry

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 Subject: Upgrade sendmail via ports - version in smtp 
 greeting doesn't match
 
 All:
 
 Not a major issue, but I've upgraded sendmail on a 4.11 box 
 via the ports.
 All appears to be working, but if I look at the SMTP 
 greeting, the version
 of sendmail or the config version is incorrect. The latter 
 version (8.13.1)
 would have been the version prior to the port upgrade.
 
   220 mail.domain.com ESMTP Sendmail 8.13.5/8.13.1;
 
 From memory, I think the first number is the sendmail 
 version and the second
 the config version.
 
 I've done the make all, make install, make install-cf etc. 
 from /etc/mail
 and also done a make mailer.conf from the sendmail ports directory. 
 
 Any help on what I should do here would be appreciated.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Barry
 
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upgrade then no ports

2005-12-19 Thread steve lasiter
I have Freebsd 5.4 on all my servers. It had been a
while since the initial load so I decided to upgrade
all source code via cvsup and then ran make
buildworld, make buildkernel, make installkernel.

After all was said and done everything booted fine and
all was working well. When I went to install a new
port I noticed that all my ports were gone. All that
is in my /usr/ports/ directory are the directories
distfiles, and dns and a INDEX-5 file. I ran my
ports-supfile for all-ports and it appeared to be
installing but when it's done the /usr/ports/
directory is unchanged. When I went to install through
sysinstall evey ftp site gives me this:

Warning: Can't find the '5.4-RELEASE-p8' distribution
on this FTP server. 

I still consider myself a Freebsd newbie and feel I've
probably  missed something simple but I have had no
luck searching the net or bsd site. 

Thanks in advance,

Steve L

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Re: upgrade then no ports

2005-12-19 Thread Michael C. Shultz
On Monday 19 December 2005 13:53, steve lasiter wrote:
 I have Freebsd 5.4 on all my servers. It had been a
 while since the initial load so I decided to upgrade
 all source code via cvsup and then ran make
 buildworld, make buildkernel, make installkernel.

 After all was said and done everything booted fine and
 all was working well. When I went to install a new
 port I noticed that all my ports were gone. All that
 is in my /usr/ports/ directory are the directories
 distfiles, and dns and a INDEX-5 file. I ran my
 ports-supfile for all-ports and it appeared to be
 installing but when it's done the /usr/ports/
 directory is unchanged. When I went to install through
 sysinstall evey ftp site gives me this:

 Warning: Can't find the '5.4-RELEASE-p8' distribution
 on this FTP server.

 I still consider myself a Freebsd newbie and feel I've
 probably  missed something simple but I have had no
 luck searching the net or bsd site.

 Thanks in advance,

 Steve L

In your ports-sup file do you have this line?

*default tag=.

-Mike
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Re: upgrade then no ports

2005-12-19 Thread Michael C. Shultz
On Monday 19 December 2005 14:00, steve lasiter wrote:
 --- Michael C. Shultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Monday 19 December 2005 13:53, steve lasiter
 
  wrote:
   I have Freebsd 5.4 on all my servers. It had been
 
  a
 
   while since the initial load so I decided to
 
  upgrade
 
   all source code via cvsup and then ran make
   buildworld, make buildkernel, make installkernel.
  
   After all was said and done everything booted fine
 
  and
 
   all was working well. When I went to install a new
   port I noticed that all my ports were gone. All
 
  that
 
   is in my /usr/ports/ directory are the directories
   distfiles, and dns and a INDEX-5 file. I ran my
   ports-supfile for all-ports and it appeared to be
   installing but when it's done the /usr/ports/
   directory is unchanged. When I went to install
 
  through
 
   sysinstall evey ftp site gives me this:
  
   Warning: Can't find the '5.4-RELEASE-p8'
 
  distribution
 
   on this FTP server.
  
   I still consider myself a Freebsd newbie and feel
 
  I've
 
   probably  missed something simple but I have had
 
  no
 
   luck searching the net or bsd site.
  
   Thanks in advance,
  
   Steve L
 
  In your ports-sup file do you have this line?
 
  *default tag=.
 
  -Mike

 Michael,

 Yes, I have
 *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_5_4


Change it to *default release=cvs tag=.
see man cvsup (note the .)

-Mike



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Re: upgrade then no ports

2005-12-19 Thread Michael C. Shultz
On Monday 19 December 2005 14:04, Michael C. Shultz wrote:
 On Monday 19 December 2005 14:00, steve lasiter wrote:
  --- Michael C. Shultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   On Monday 19 December 2005 13:53, steve lasiter
  
   wrote:
I have Freebsd 5.4 on all my servers. It had been
  
   a
  
while since the initial load so I decided to
  
   upgrade
  
all source code via cvsup and then ran make
buildworld, make buildkernel, make installkernel.
   
After all was said and done everything booted fine
  
   and
  
all was working well. When I went to install a new
port I noticed that all my ports were gone. All
  
   that
  
is in my /usr/ports/ directory are the directories
distfiles, and dns and a INDEX-5 file. I ran my
ports-supfile for all-ports and it appeared to be
installing but when it's done the /usr/ports/
directory is unchanged. When I went to install
  
   through
  
sysinstall evey ftp site gives me this:
   
Warning: Can't find the '5.4-RELEASE-p8'
  
   distribution
  
on this FTP server.
   
I still consider myself a Freebsd newbie and feel
  
   I've
  
probably  missed something simple but I have had
  
   no
  
luck searching the net or bsd site.
   
Thanks in advance,
   
Steve L
  
   In your ports-sup file do you have this line?
  
   *default tag=.
  
   -Mike
 
  Michael,
 
  Yes, I have
  *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_5_4

 Change it to *default release=cvs tag=.
 see man cvsup (note the .)

 -Mike

Here is a better reference, the man page won't help you

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvsup.html

Warning: Be very careful to specify any tag= fields correctly. Some tags are 
valid only for certain collections of files. If you specify an incorrect or 
misspelled tag, CVSup will delete files which you probably do not want 
deleted. In particular, use only tag=. for the ports-* collections.
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Re: upgrade then no ports

2005-12-19 Thread Michael C. Shultz
On Monday 19 December 2005 14:59, steve lasiter wrote:
 Thanks Mike,

 That did it. Do you think the upgrade of my system
 wasn't really an upgrade at all now due to that?

 Steve L

ports and src are different things, it depends on how you
had your cvs-src files set up.

-Mike
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Upgrade python from ports

2005-07-19 Thread David Pratt
I am relatively new to ports.  When I type pkg_info, this is what I 
have for python:


py23-MySQLdb-1.2.0_1 Access a MySQL database through Python
py23-mx-base-2.0.5  The eGenix mx-Extension Series for Python
py23-reportlab-1.19 Library to create PDF documents using the Python 
language

py23-xml-0.8.4  PyXML: Python XML library enhancements
py24-statgrab-0.3   A set of Python bindings for libstatgrab
python-2.3.4_4  An interpreted object-oriented programming language
python-2.4_1An interpreted object-oriented programming language

I want to upgrade my python from 2.3.4 to 2.3.5. To I deinstall all 
py23 ports and python-2.3.4_4 and reinstall or do I run an portupgrade 
somewhere that will take care of this or do I just install python-2.3.5


In my /usr/local/lib:

I have:
python2.3
python2.4

What is right approach to updating only my python 2.3 so that it will 
be right for all py23.  I don't want to have two separate versions of 
2.3 only update version to 2.3.5


Many thanks
David


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Re: re portmanager, how to prevent upgrade of held ports

2005-01-01 Thread nbco
On Friday 31 December 2004 23:32, Michael C. Shultz wrote:
 On Friday 31 December 2004 09:49 am, nbco wrote:
  Any ideas as to how to make portmanager ignore held ports?

 If you were to move /var/db/pkg/openoffice-1.1.4.20041101_1 (assuming
 that is the version you have installed) directory to someplace safe,
 like in your home directory then portmanager nor any part of the
 ports system would know openoffice-1.1.4.20041101_1 is installed.
 This will only work for a port that is not a dependency for another
 port so only if no other ports depend on openoffice-1.1.4.20041101_1
 will this work. When you want to upgrade it then move the directory
 back
 to /var/db/pkg.

  You can also create a ports/local/editors/openoffice-1.1which is a
 bit more involved and way more elegant, I will be happy to explain
 only if you are truly interested.

Many thanks, the first option worked perfectly, inelegant though it may 
be.
.nbco
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re portmanager, how to prevent upgrade of held ports

2004-12-31 Thread nbco
Hi list,

I am trying out portmanager-0.2.2, on a 5.3-RELEASE box.

I have openoffice-1.1.3.20040810 installed.  I don't want to upgrade 
openoffice at this time, as I don't have the space for a full compile 
and will wait for a new package. 

I have set openoffice to be held in pkgtools.conf in /usr/local/etc.  
Portupgrade honours this setting. Portmanager doesn't, therefore every 
time I attempt to run portmanager it tries to compile 
openoffice-1.1.4.20041101_1

I have looked at portmanager and cannot find a way to prevent it 
updating certain ports, and it doesn't honour the hold_pkgs in 
pkgtools.conf.

Any ideas as to how to make portmanager ignore held ports?

This problem makes portmanager unusable for me, as it updates openoffice 
first, so it never actually gets to the smaller out of date ports.

Many thanks in advance
.nbco

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Re: re portmanager, how to prevent upgrade of held ports

2004-12-31 Thread Michael C. Shultz
On Friday 31 December 2004 09:49 am, nbco wrote:
 Hi list,

 I am trying out portmanager-0.2.2, on a 5.3-RELEASE box.

 I have openoffice-1.1.3.20040810 installed.  I don't want to upgrade
 openoffice at this time, as I don't have the space for a full compile
 and will wait for a new package.

 I have set openoffice to be held in pkgtools.conf in /usr/local/etc.
 Portupgrade honours this setting. Portmanager doesn't, therefore
 every time I attempt to run portmanager it tries to compile
 openoffice-1.1.4.20041101_1

 I have looked at portmanager and cannot find a way to prevent it
 updating certain ports, and it doesn't honour the hold_pkgs in
 pkgtools.conf.

 Any ideas as to how to make portmanager ignore held ports?

 This problem makes portmanager unusable for me, as it updates
 openoffice first, so it never actually gets to the smaller out of
 date ports.

Portmanager has no way to ignore ports that need updating,
but others have also requested this feature so I will implement it in 
version 0.2.3.  It may be a few weeks before it is ready because I am 
taking advantage of the port freeze and making fairly extensive 
changes. 

There is one thing you can do in the mean time as a work around if you 
still want to use portmanager:

If you were to move /var/db/pkg/openoffice-1.1.4.20041101_1 (assuming 
that is the version you have installed) directory to someplace safe, 
like in your home directory then portmanager nor any part of the ports 
system would know openoffice-1.1.4.20041101_1 is installed. This will 
only work for a port that is not a dependency for another port so only 
if no other ports depend on openoffice-1.1.4.20041101_1 will this work. 
When you want to upgrade it then move the directory back 
to /var/db/pkg.

 You can also create a ports/local/editors/openoffice-1.1which is a bit 
more involved and way more elegant, I will be happy to explain only if 
you are truly interested.

-Mike

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Re: Proper way to upgrade packaes from ports

2002-10-08 Thread Roger Merritt

At 03:39 PM 10/7/02 -0700, you wrote:
 From: Andrew Knapp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 18:18:22 -0400
 
 AFAIK, doesn't portupgrade come with another utility called portversion?
 I use portversion -r (for recursive) to figure out what packages I do
 need to upgrade. It gives a nice read-out of what to upgrade.

Yes, portversion is a part of portupgrade. It should do almost
anything pkg_version does except -c.

Excuse me? I've been using portversion -c since I installed the damned
thing and it does for portupdate exactly what pkg_version -c did for
pre-portupdate updating. I would regard it as a boon if the script didn't
sometimes do things (at least when run remotely) that cause my machine to
reboot spontaneously (fatal trap 12).

 I use portversion -vL= to check
on what needs updating. But I then usually do portupgrade -Rra which
will upgrade all ports that are out of date and do so in the correct
bottom-up order.


sigh wish I had that much disk space. I can only afford to install a few
ports.

snip
The biggest down-side is the requirement that I run portsdb -Uu to
update the databases after a cvsup of the ports tree. This is a pretty
CPU intensive operation and can take a while on an older system.


Yeah, it takes around 16 hours on my system, and usually causes a
spontaneous reboot if I do it remotely (fatal trap 12). I haven't figured
out a way to find out what it's doing to cause the reboots, since there
seems to be no particular reason for fatal trap 12 (what I mean is the
error message fatal trap 12 does not indicate one particular type of
failure; I usually get the further message Page fault in kernel mode,
which also doesn't seem to identify any particular type of problem).

R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer
Energy Sciences Network (ESnet)
Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab)
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Re: Proper way to upgrade packaes from ports

2002-10-07 Thread Matthew Seaman

On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 09:00:49AM +0100, Rus Foster wrote:

  I've got a general question. Say I've install /usr/ports/net/foobar_0.1,
 I do a cvsup and see new foo_bar0.2. What is the best way to upgrade?
 Either pkg_rm foobar_0.1 + pkg_add foobar_0.2, force the installation
 of 0.2 or is there some other way?

The third way: which is to install and use portupgrade -- it's in
ports/sysutils/portupgrade.

Generally, directories under /usr/ports don't have any sort of version
information in the name, with some exceptions.  Updating those ports
is handled very smoothly by portupgrade.

However, if there are two different versioned ports, eg.  www/apache13
and www/apache2, (or even www/mozilla and www/mozilla-devel), then
they are separate ports.  Don't assume that just because they have
similar names that one can be trivially substituted for the other.
Sometimes you can, but more usually it takes a lot of bodging around to
sort out dependencies and so forth if it can be done at all.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: Proper way to upgrade packaes from ports

2002-10-07 Thread John Kozubik


Rus,

Please take a look at /usr/ports/sysutils/portupgrade, as it is the
appropriate tool for these sort of upgrades.

Circumstantial evidence over the years has led me to believe that most
ports will actually successfully and without issue overwrite their
previous iterations that were also installed via the ports tree (lynx,
wget, things like that).

-
John Kozubik - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.kozubik.com



On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Rus Foster wrote:

 Hi All,
  I've got a general question. Say I've install /usr/ports/net/foobar_0.1,
 I do a cvsup and see new foo_bar0.2. What is the best way to upgrade?
 Either pkg_rm foobar_0.1 + pkg_add foobar_0.2, force the installation
 of 0.2 or is there some other way?

 Rgds

 Rus

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Re: Proper way to upgrade packaes from ports

2002-10-07 Thread Kevin Oberman

 Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 14:49:23 -0500
 From: Jack L. Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 At 12:21 PM 10.7.2002 -0700, John Kozubik wrote:
 
 Rus,
 
 Please take a look at /usr/ports/sysutils/portupgrade, as it is the
 appropriate tool for these sort of upgrades.
 
 Circumstantial evidence over the years has led me to believe that most
 ports will actually successfully and without issue overwrite their
 previous iterations that were also installed via the ports tree (lynx,
 wget, things like that).
 
 -
 John Kozubik - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.kozubik.com
 
 

 If you don't mind first deinstalling the old port, then a simple way is to:
 # pkg_delete foo_1
 ...then cd /usr/ports/foo_2:
 #make install clean
 
 You are now up to date.


This ignores dependencies. If I upgrade some port but don't get the
dependencies as well, things can break. portupgrade was designed to
handle these.

R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer
Energy Sciences Network (ESnet)
Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab)
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Re: Proper way to upgrade packaes from ports

2002-10-07 Thread Kent Stewart



Kevin Oberman wrote:
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 14:49:23 -0500
From: Jack L. Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

At 12:21 PM 10.7.2002 -0700, John Kozubik wrote:

Rus,

Please take a look at /usr/ports/sysutils/portupgrade, as it is the
appropriate tool for these sort of upgrades.

Circumstantial evidence over the years has led me to believe that most
ports will actually successfully and without issue overwrite their
previous iterations that were also installed via the ports tree (lynx,
wget, things like that).

-
John Kozubik - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.kozubik.com



 
If you don't mind first deinstalling the old port, then a simple way is to:
# pkg_delete foo_1
...then cd /usr/ports/foo_2:
#make install clean

You are now up to date.
 
 
 
 This ignores dependencies. If I upgrade some port but don't get the
 dependencies as well, things can break. portupgrade was designed to
 handle these.

Some of these are handled when I do a -Rufp. It starts at the port 
and handles all of its dependancies. This isn't a good idea if XFree86 
is one of the dependancies. Then -x option is supposed to take care of 
that but I have never used it. I have usually done a pkg_version -c 
and know what needs to be updated. When something disappears, which 
portupgrade does not handle, I delete the port and the new 
dependancies and start over.

FWIW, I usually portupgrade on one system and I always create a 
package on that system.

Kent

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Re: Proper way to upgrade packaes from ports

2002-10-07 Thread Chris Snyder

Kent Stewart wrote:

   I have usually done a pkg_version -c and know what needs to be updated. 

I use the pkg_version -c method as well-- it seems so much simpler than 
portupgrade, but am I missing something and/or running the risk of 
breaking things?

FWIW I think that keeping your ports/packages up-to-date could be 
covered better in the Handbook, considering how important it is in terms 
of security. There's no mention of either portupgrade or pkg_version in 
the ports/packages coverage.

chris.




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Re: Proper way to upgrade packaes from ports

2002-10-07 Thread Kevin Oberman

 Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 17:23:40 -0400
 From: Chris Snyder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Kent Stewart wrote:
 
I have usually done a pkg_version -c and know what needs to be updated. 
 
 I use the pkg_version -c method as well-- it seems so much simpler than 
 portupgrade, but am I missing something and/or running the risk of 
 breaking things?
 
 FWIW I think that keeping your ports/packages up-to-date could be 
 covered better in the Handbook, considering how important it is in terms 
 of security. There's no mention of either portupgrade or pkg_version in 
 the ports/packages coverage.

The -c option to pkg_version is NOT safe. The message it puts out
makes this clear. I think Bruce said that he was planning on pulling it
once portupgrade stabilized because it was just too dangerous.

It has no intelligence on the dependencies and does not always do
things in the proper order. To do this properly you need to completely
graph all dependencies and their versions and update from the bottom
of the graph. I think it was Bruce's comments on this that led knu to
write portupgrade.

I'm sure that portupgrade would be in the base system except for the
dependency on ruby, just as cvsup would if not for the Mobula III
requirement. But both are nearly essential to maintaining a robust
system.

R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer
Energy Sciences Network (ESnet)
Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab)
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Re: Proper way to upgrade packaes from ports

2002-10-07 Thread parv

in message [EMAIL PROTECTED],
wrote Kevin Oberman thusly...

 The biggest down-side is the requirement that I run portsdb -Uu to
 update the databases after a cvsup of the ports tree. This is a pretty
 CPU intensive operation and can take a while on an older system.

as i understand portsupgrade, portsdb -U would create the the
index as if you had typed make index in your ports ($PORTSDIR).

if you don't have the INDEX reflecting the current ports tree,
things may go out of hand.  such making of INDEX is part of freebsd
ports (not portsupgrade).  actually, after INDEX is made, portsdb
-u finishes lighting fast ... in comparison.


for me, creating the INDEX takes less time than updating it cvsup
over a dialup connection.  i don't have problem w/ the creation
process being CPU intensive; bottleneck on my system is heavy disk
activity.


  - parv

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Re: Proper way to upgrade packaes from ports

2002-10-07 Thread Kevin Oberman

 From: Andrew Knapp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 18:18:22 -0400
 
 AFAIK, doesn't portupgrade come with another utility called portversion?
 I use portversion -r (for recursive) to figure out what packages I do
 need to upgrade. It gives a nice read-out of what to upgrade.

Yes, portversion is a part of portupgrade. It should do almost
anything pkg_version does except -c. I use portversion -vL= to check
on what needs updating. But I then usually do portupgrade -Rra which
will upgrade all ports that are out of date and do so in the correct
bottom-up order.

portupgrade also includes pkgtools which lets you establish routine
options you always use for installing a certain port. For example, the
make option to use the MGA driver for a Matrox card instead of the
XFree86 driver or to build Galeon with full mozilla. The file
/usr/local/etc/pkgtools.conf lets you stop automatic upgrade of some
ports and many other things to make keeping ports current quite easy.

The biggest down-side is the requirement that I run portsdb -Uu to
update the databases after a cvsup of the ports tree. This is a pretty
CPU intensive operation and can take a while on an older system.

R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer
Energy Sciences Network (ESnet)
Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab)
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Phone: +1 510 486-8634

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