Re: Kernel hangs if build without I486_CPU

2007-09-13 Thread Oliver Fromme
Andris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I have the same problem, but in my case it was not I486_CPU, but SCHED_ULE.
  After changing SCHED_ULE to SCHED_4BSD problem was gone.

If you shot your foot, don't complain that it hurts.

SCHED_ULE is declared experimental and known to be broken
in FreeBSD 6.  It's supposed to be fixed in 7-current.

Best regards
   Oliver

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Re: problems with 'periodic' in 4.11 p-24

2007-09-13 Thread Bill Vermillion
On or about Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 06:25 , while attempting a 
Zarathustra emulation Luke Hollins thus spake:

 Can you post your crontab? Maybe one line has the username twice .

Boy - that was the hint that helped me find the problem.

How I did this I do not know, but the /etc/crontab was
duplicated in /var/cron/tabs/root.

That was why the 'root: not found' message occured as the 
normal cron doesn't use that.

I still don't know how I did this - particularly after admining
FreeBSD systems since 1995.

Maybe I did it in my sleep.

But thanks for the comment as that put me on the correct track.

Bill
 
 Bill Vermillion wrote:
  I just updated a 4.11 machine to patch level 24.  Somehow I had
  overlooked that machine earlier as it's so stable and only
  is handling web pages, secondary dns and secondary mail.
 
  I've checked everthing I can think of but now all the scripts
  that are run from the root crontab - with the user of 'root' as
  shipped in the distrubution now give me error messages.
 
  The messages are from the atrun daemon.
 
  Here is the message I'm getting just as I bounced it to this
  account.
 
  Theone difference I see in this is that the Subject line
  when viewed in mutt on the original machine has
  root?/usr/libexec/atrun.
 
  --
  Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cron Daemon)
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Cron [EMAIL PROTECTED] root  /usr/libexec/atrun
  X-Cron-Env: SHELL=/bin/sh
  X-Cron-Env: PATH=/etc:/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin
  X-Cron-Env: HOME=/root
  X-Cron-Env: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  X-Cron-Env: LOGNAME=root
  X-Cron-Env: USER=root
  X-UIDL: EO^!?h!Y(@!+N!
 
  root: not found
 
  --
 
  I've checked everywhere I can think of.  I've even added
  the MAILTO line in the crontab with an FQDN address.  That didn't
  help either.
 
  It must be something simple I've overlooked or else I'd have seen
  reports of this before.
 
  The cvsup is only for the RELEASE - so nothing is there that
  would be added after the last security update to that last year.
 
  I'm sorry this is so late in time frame of 4.11 - but as I said -
  for some reason this is one server I inadvertantly overlooked.
  Normally the OS gets updated the day any security changes are made.
 
  Thanks
 
  Bill
 

 

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Re: problems with 'periodic' in 4.11 p-24

2007-09-13 Thread Clayton Milos

On or about Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 06:25 , while attempting a
Zarathustra emulation Luke Hollins thus spake:


Can you post your crontab? Maybe one line has the username twice .


Boy - that was the hint that helped me find the problem.

How I did this I do not know, but the /etc/crontab was
duplicated in /var/cron/tabs/root.

That was why the 'root: not found' message occured as the
normal cron doesn't use that.

I still don't know how I did this - particularly after admining
FreeBSD systems since 1995.

Maybe I did it in my sleep.

But thanks for the comment as that put me on the correct track.

Bill




I have done strange things sysadmining under the influence of alcohol.
Once I even changed my BIOS password under the influence and it took me half 
an hour to figure out what I set it to.
I know it can be reset with a jumper but the hangover was suppressing that 
possibility too ;-)


-Clay 


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Re: BIND 9.3.1 - How to get rid of AAAA querys?

2007-09-13 Thread Andreas Pettersson

Mark Andrews wrote:
When looking in the querylog for BIND 9.3.1 running on FreeBSD 5.4, 
almost every other log entry specifies an  query. The only client is 
localhost. I see no reason right now to have BIND wasting resources on 
IPv6 requests, so I added


named_flags=-4

to rc.conf and restarted named. Sockstat tells me named is listening 
only on udp4 and tcp4, but I still get lots of  entries in the querylog:


12-Sep-2007 21:40:47.129 client 127.0.0.1#60103: query: 
smtp.secureserver.net IN  +
12-Sep-2007 21:40:47.648 client 127.0.0.1#64489: query: 
smtp.where.secureserver.net IN  +
12-Sep-2007 21:40:47.847 client 127.0.0.1#61673: query: 
smtp.secureserver.net IN A +
12-Sep-2007 21:40:47.869 client 127.0.0.1#53040: query: 
mailstore1.secureserver.net IN  +
12-Sep-2007 21:40:47.871 client 127.0.0.1#54473: query: 
mailstore1.secureserver.net IN A +
12-Sep-2007 21:40:58.261 client 127.0.0.1#58124: query: 
120.86.248.87.in-addr.arpa IN PTR +
12-Sep-2007 21:40:58.340 client 127.0.0.1#56511: query: 
static-ip-87-248-86-120.promax.media.pl IN  +
12-Sep-2007 21:40:58.410 client 127.0.0.1#61212: query: 
static-ip-87-248-86-120.promax.media.pl IN A +


What can I do to get rid of these?



Teach each and every application not to make them. :-)
  


Thanks to everyone who has answered. As soon as I read the first 
sentence in Max's reply I realized the issue, and I might now have 
reconsidered my problem as a no problem :-)

[snip]
Why don't you go the other way and get yourself IPv6
connectivity.  You do realise that you will require it to
reach many sites in about 3 years time as they will be IPv6
only


For almost 10 years I've heard discussions about the successor to IPv4, 
but from my point of view (may differ from others..) not much has 
happened. Of course, I can imagine that when the wheel starts rolling 
for real things might change quickly. 3 years may prove to be correct, 
but are there any clear signs pointing in this direction?


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Re: BIND 9.3.1 - How to get rid of AAAA querys?

2007-09-13 Thread Darren Pilgrim

Andreas Pettersson wrote:

Mark Andrews wrote:

Why don't you go the other way and get yourself IPv6
connectivity.  You do realise that you will require it to
reach many sites in about 3 years time as they will be IPv6
only


For almost 10 years I've heard discussions about the successor to IPv4, 
but from my point of view (may differ from others..) not much has 
happened. Of course, I can imagine that when the wheel starts rolling 
for real things might change quickly. 3 years may prove to be correct, 
but are there any clear signs pointing in this direction?


The proponents of IPv6 have claimed growing real-world deployment for 
the last several years.  There is yet no significant commercial 
deployment--the real world still runs on IPv4.


The mitigating factors are IPv4 address space pressure and global 
routing problems.  Every time enough people start crying about too 
little IPv4 address space left, IANA reassigns more reserved space into 
the allocation pool and those fussing grow quiet.  As for global 
routing, it can be summed as: it ain't broken enough, yet.  It's going 
to be years before there is a real, sustained pressure to migrate 
significant portions of the commercial internet into IPv6 space and 
years more for enough key-player migration to drag the rest of the 
commercial world with it.


The academic and research portions of the internet are not the driving 
force.  Convince MSN, AOL, Yahoo, Comcast, $BIG_NATIONAL_ISP, etc. to 
deploy IPv6 and we'll get wide-spread global IPv6 deployment overnight.


I'll put it this way: When my Linksys WRT54G supports IPv6 on both sides 
of the router, IPv6 will have reached commercial viability.  Until then, 
it's a research exercise.


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Re: BIND 9.3.1 - How to get rid of AAAA querys?

2007-09-13 Thread Mark Andrews

 Andreas Pettersson wrote:
  Mark Andrews wrote:
 Why don't you go the other way and get yourself IPv6
 connectivity.  You do realise that you will require it to
 reach many sites in about 3 years time as they will be IPv6
 only
  
  For almost 10 years I've heard discussions about the successor to IPv4, 
  but from my point of view (may differ from others..) not much has 
  happened. Of course, I can imagine that when the wheel starts rolling 
  for real things might change quickly. 3 years may prove to be correct, 
  but are there any clear signs pointing in this direction?
 
 The proponents of IPv6 have claimed growing real-world deployment for 
 the last several years.  There is yet no significant commercial 
 deployment--the real world still runs on IPv4.
 
 The mitigating factors are IPv4 address space pressure and global 
 routing problems.  Every time enough people start crying about too 
 little IPv4 address space left, IANA reassigns more reserved space into 
 the allocation pool and those fussing grow quiet.  As for global 
 routing, it can be summed as: it ain't broken enough, yet.  It's going 
 to be years before there is a real, sustained pressure to migrate 
 significant portions of the commercial internet into IPv6 space and 
 years more for enough key-player migration to drag the rest of the 
 commercial world with it.
 
 The academic and research portions of the internet are not the driving 
 force.  Convince MSN, AOL, Yahoo, Comcast, $BIG_NATIONAL_ISP, etc. to 
 deploy IPv6 and we'll get wide-spread global IPv6 deployment overnight.
 
 I'll put it this way: When my Linksys WRT54G supports IPv6 on both sides 
 of the router, IPv6 will have reached commercial viability.  Until then, 
 it's a research exercise.

Apple's Airport enables IPv6 support by default today.  If
you plug it in and you have a IPv6 enabled host it will get
a globally addressable IPv6 address.

There are roughly 3 billion unicast IPv4 addresses.  We need
to address more than 3 billion machines.  Even with NAT and
double NAT we will run out of address.
 
DOCCIS 3.0 does its management over IPv6.  The big cable
providers are moving to IPv6 today even if they arn't
supplying IPv6 to the customers yet.

Mark

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Re: BIND 9.3.1 - How to get rid of AAAA querys?

2007-09-13 Thread Charles Sprickman

On Thu, 13 Sep 2007, Darren Pilgrim wrote:


Andreas Pettersson wrote:

Mark Andrews wrote:

Why don't you go the other way and get yourself IPv6
connectivity.  You do realise that you will require it to
reach many sites in about 3 years time as they will be IPv6
only


For almost 10 years I've heard discussions about the successor to IPv4, but 
from my point of view (may differ from others..) not much has happened. Of 
course, I can imagine that when the wheel starts rolling for real things 
might change quickly. 3 years may prove to be correct, but are there any 
clear signs pointing in this direction?


The proponents of IPv6 have claimed growing real-world deployment for the 
last several years.  There is yet no significant commercial deployment--the 
real world still runs on IPv4.


Just adding another real world datapoint...  I'd love to get my hands 
dirty with IPv6.  I contacted both of our upstreams, Level3 and HE.net.


Level3 never responded, if anyone has details on what their deal is, 
please share (offlist).


HE.net wanted both more money and for us to order another port with them.

For the 0.0001% of our users that have expressed interest in v6 
connectivity, we're not going to pay for another FE port just to 
experiment.  I'm sure most other Tier-2 local/regional ISPs feel the same 
way.


If there were a free and best effort service offered by any of our 
upstreams though, I'd jump at it.


My buddy Ike over at NYCBUG does have a bunch of pictures of cheap 
consumer IPv6 home routers from his trip to Japan.  Apparently it's quite 
widespread there.


Charles


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Re: BIND 9.3.1 - How to get rid of AAAA querys?

2007-09-13 Thread Mark Andrews

 On Thu, 13 Sep 2007, Darren Pilgrim wrote:
 
  Andreas Pettersson wrote:
  Mark Andrews wrote:
Why don't you go the other way and get yourself IPv6
connectivity.  You do realise that you will require it to
reach many sites in about 3 years time as they will be IPv6
only
  
  For almost 10 years I've heard discussions about the successor to IPv4, bu
 t 
  from my point of view (may differ from others..) not much has happened. Of
  
  course, I can imagine that when the wheel starts rolling for real things 
  might change quickly. 3 years may prove to be correct, but are there any 
  clear signs pointing in this direction?
 
  The proponents of IPv6 have claimed growing real-world deployment for the 
  last several years.  There is yet no significant commercial deployment--the
  
  real world still runs on IPv4.
 
 Just adding another real world datapoint...  I'd love to get my hands 
 dirty with IPv6.  I contacted both of our upstreams, Level3 and HE.net.
 
 Level3 never responded, if anyone has details on what their deal is, 
 please share (offlist).
 
 HE.net wanted both more money and for us to order another port with them.

HE claim they are now dual stacked.  You shouldn't need a
second port.
 
 For the 0.0001% of our users that have expressed interest in v6 
 connectivity, we're not going to pay for another FE port just to 
 experiment.  I'm sure most other Tier-2 local/regional ISPs feel the same 
 way.
 
 If there were a free and best effort service offered by any of our 
 upstreams though, I'd jump at it.
 
 My buddy Ike over at NYCBUG does have a bunch of pictures of cheap 
 consumer IPv6 home routers from his trip to Japan.  Apparently it's quite 
 widespread there.
 
 Charles
 
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Re: BIND 9.3.1 - How to get rid of AAAA querys?

2007-09-13 Thread Ian Smith
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007, Andreas Pettersson wrote:

   [snip]
  Why don't you go the other way and get yourself IPv6
  connectivity.  You do realise that you will require it to
  reach many sites in about 3 years time as they will be IPv6
  only
  
  For almost 10 years I've heard discussions about the successor to IPv4, 
  but from my point of view (may differ from others..) not much has 
  happened. Of course, I can imagine that when the wheel starts rolling 
  for real things might change quickly. 3 years may prove to be correct, 
  but are there any clear signs pointing in this direction?

eg:

http://www.potaroo.net/tools/ipv4/index.html

http://www.circleid.com/posts/transition_to_ipv6_address/

http://www.circleid.com/posts/ipv6_extinction_evolution_or_revolution/

Cheers, Ian

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