Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 BASE packages

[Antony Gordon]

Hi,

Given the changes in DOS since 2.X until now, Edlin and EXE2BIN should be
optional. DOS 5 replaced Edlin with EDIT and EXE2BIN wasn't included with
DOS after 3.3 or 4.01.

Which memory manager offers the most compatibility? FDXMS or HIMEMX?

-T

On Sun, Dec 20, 2015, 4:53 PM Jerome E. Shidel Jr. 
wrote:

> This is the list of the BASE Packages for the FDI installer.
>
> Please note that I switched out UIDE for UDVD2. UIDE was causing strange
> disk errors with FDINST and with FreeCOM.
>
> Remember this is the Minimalist, MS-DOS functionality only BASE for
> FreeDOS 1.2.
>
> Please let me know if I left anything out or should remove something.
>
> Also, V8Power Tools is not installed when only BASE is selected.
>
> ; Package list for BASE only installation.
>
> base\append
> base\assign
> base\attrib
> base\chkdsk
> base\choice
> base\command
> base\comp
> base\cpidos
> base\ctmouse
> base\debug
> base\defrag
> base\deltree
> base\devload
> base\diskcomp
> base\diskcopy
> base\display
> base\dosfsck
> base\edit
> base\edlin
> base\exe2bin
> base\fc
> base\fdapm
> base\fdisk
> base\find
> base\format
> base\fdxms
> base\fdxms286
> base\help
> base\jemm
> base\himemx
> base\kernel
> base\keyb
> base\keyb_lay
> base\label
> base\lbacache
> base\mem
> base\mirror
> base\mkeyb
> base\mode
> base\more
> base\move
> base\nansi
> base\nlsfunc
> base\print
> base\rdisk
> base\recover
> base\replace
> base\share
> base\shsucdx
> base\sort
> base\swsubst
> base\tree
> base\undelete
> base\unformat
> base\xcopy
> base\xmgr
> util\udvd2
>
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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 ALL packages

[Rugxulo]

Hi,

On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr.  wrote:
>
> This is the list of the ALL package list for the FDI installer.
>
> Please let me know if I should anything else or remove something.
>
> Also, V8Power Tools is also installed when ALL is selected.
>
> This list includes all packages in the BASE. I just did not include them here 
> to
> shorten the list.
>
> ; The remaining packages are only installed when ALL is chosen.
> net\mtcp

> util\4dos

(I know some people can't live without this. I just hate the idea that
it somehow taints the whole bunch due to ambiguous license.)

> util\doslfn

Which version? 0.41c?

> util\fdnpkg

Presumably latest here? (0.99.4 "<8 hours ago", according to SF.net page)

> util\memtest

Uh, you mean Eric's old patched version? Version??

> util\bootfix
> util\shsufdrv

BTW, the licensing is slightly ambiguous here (IMO), but Jason Hood
told me that it's "zlib".

> util\cwsdpmi

Please make sure r7 only (although including both r5 2008 and r7
wouldn't be the worst idea, but I seriously don't know of any obvious
reason to do that).

> archiver\zip

2.32? (I still don't know why we never "officially" had 3.00, not that
it majorly matters.)

> archiver\unzip

6.00?

> ; Some packages I would like to see in ALL.
> util\grep

Xgrep? (No LFNs, no *nix globbing, but it's very small!)

http://freedos.sourceforge.net/software/?prog=xgrep

> archiver\tar

Which? ("UTIL" does include an ancient 16-bit one.)

http://freedos.sourceforge.net/software/?prog=tar

> archiver\gzip

Which? (I'm assuming only the old 16-bit one and not the 386+ DJGPP build.)

http://freedos.sourceforge.net/software/?prog=gzip

> archiver\bz2

(386+ DJGPP only)

http://freedos.sourceforge.net/software/?prog=bzip2

> devel\nasm

Which? Latest is 2.11.08.

http://freedos.sourceforge.net/software/?prog=nasm
http://www.nasm.us/

> devel\fpc

3.0.0 was released recently, but there is no "package" for it yet. It
would be quite large (which is annoying), but perhaps LZMA (which
Mateusz dislikes) would mitigate that.

> net\wget

Michael Kostylev made a (slightly) newer version semi-recently, but I
have no idea if he included all patches or not (as things like that
are a pain to rebuild). So I'm not honestly sure if 1.11 is that much
worse than 1.12 (and certainly the latter is much larger). (He also
rebuilt Curl, but I have the same worries. I may just mirror them to
iBiblio anyways, lacking any direct proof of error.)

http://www.bttr-software.de/forum/board_entry.php?id=14569

> net\rsync

Dunno if that's even available, can't remember, never tried it. EDIT:
Here's what we seem to have (but it's not officially listed under
"NET", apparently):

https://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/net/rsync/

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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 ALL packages

[Mateusz Viste]

On 21/12/2015 00:02, Rugxulo wrote:
>> util\fdnpkg
>
> Presumably latest here? (0.99.4 "<8 hours ago", according to SF.net page)

Good catch! I did release (silently) FDNPKG to v0.99.4 yesterday. Since 
it contains nothing big from the user's point of view, I didn't feel 
that it justify announcing it anywhere. But yes, here it is :)

>> devel\fpc
>
> 3.0.0 was released recently, but there is no "package" for it yet.

Same goes for DJGPP. And FreeBASIC. And surely many more packages. This 
is one of the issues that I pointed to in my latest "call for 
volunteers" on the user list. But since call remained completely 
unanswered, I assume nobody cares. So why bother?

Mateusz


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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 BASE packages

[Rugxulo]

Hi, I don't know how useful this is (esp. this late in the release
process), but 

On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr.  wrote:
> This is the list of the BASE Packages for the FDI installer.
>
> Please let me know if I left anything out or should remove something.
>
> base\append
> base\assign
> base\attrib
> base\chkdsk
> base\choice
> base\command
> base\comp

base\country ? (but isn't it included in kernel?)

> base\cpidos

> base\ctmouse

(eventually we need to replace bundled com2exe, which AFAIK isn't
majorly useful)

> base\debug
> base\defrag

> base\deltree

(make sure this isn't UPX'd as 186+ only)

> base\devload
> base\diskcomp
> base\diskcopy
> base\display
> base\dosfsck
> base\edit
> base\edlin

> base\exe2bin

(I still say nobody needs exe2bin)

base\fasthelp? (probably not majorly needed)

> base\fc
> base\fdapm
> base\fdisk

(which fdisk? FD only? no XFdisk? I also need to reinvestigate SPFdisk
one of these days)

> base\find

(this LFN version is still buggy, AFAIR)

> base\format

> base\fdxms

(fdxms is technically not listed in "BASE" but whatever)

> base\fdxms286

base\graphics? (but I doubt most people have compatible printers anyways)

> base\help

> base\jemm

(probably should remove JLOAD and *.JLM first)

> base\himemx

> base\kernel

(this should also have SHARE and COUNTRY, right?)

> base\keyb
> base\keyb_lay

(aka, base\kpdos?)

base\kc?

> base\label
> base\lbacache
> base\mem
> base\mirror
> base\mkeyb

> base\mode

(I guess not to wait for this minor bugfix release)

> base\more

> base\move

(sigh, we still never fixed the +r bug)

> base\nansi
> base\nlsfunc
> base\print
> base\rdisk

> base\recover

(I seriously question the usefulness of RECOVER, I doubt anyone would miss it)

> base\replace

> base\share

(isn't the one bundled with the kernel preferred? what still needs
this, Win3x??)

> base\shsucdx
> base\sort

> base\swsubst

(does this work at all anymore??)

> base\tree
> base\undelete
> base\unformat
> base\xcopy

> base\xmgr
> util\udvd2

("BASE" does have both "uide" and "xmgr" but not "udvd2", so I'm not
sure why we don't just combine all that RDISK+UIDE+XMGR (etc.) into
one package)

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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 BASE packages

[Mateusz Viste]

On 20/12/2015 23:48, Rugxulo wrote:
> ("BASE" does have both "uide" and "xmgr" but not "udvd2", so I'm not
> sure why we don't just combine all that RDISK+UIDE+XMGR (etc.) into
> one package)

I think that was me who exploded this into different packages. The 
rationale was that when users look for a package, they look for 
something that performs a given function - being a ramdisk, or CD 
driver, or memory manager... Having all of these bundled in one package 
lowers the visibility of what it actually contains. The only reason it 
comes all together 'upstream' is because it comes from the same 
developer, but that's not enough of a reason in my opinion to keep it 
bundled as a single FreeDOS package.

Mateusz


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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 ALL packages

[Antony Gordon]

Hi,

An assembler and a Pascal compiler. Missing BASIC and C/C++.

That would make the programming languages complete. You should probably
mention sources for all packages in the "everything" install.

Base should just reference that the sources are on the install media. IIRC,
most Linux distributions don't specifically install the source code unless
requested by the end user.

-T

On Sun, Dec 20, 2015, 4:55 PM Jerome E. Shidel Jr. 
wrote:

> This is the list of the ALL package list for the FDI installer.
>
> Please let me know if I should anything else or remove something.
>
> Also, V8Power Tools is also installed when ALL is selected.
>
> This list includes all packages in the BASE. I just did not include them
> here to
> shorten the list.
>
> ; The remaining packages are only installed when ALL is chosen.
> net\mtcp
> util\4dos
> util\doslfn
> util\fdnpkg
> util\memtest
> util\bootfix
> util\shsufdrv
> util\cwsdpmi
> archiver\zip
> archiver\unzip
>
> ; Some packages I would like to see in ALL.
> util\grep
> archiver\tar
> archiver\gzip
> archiver\bz2
> devel\nasm
> devel\fpc
> net\wget
> net\rsync
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-devel] FDI Additional Languages

[Henrique Peron]

Hi all,


PPS: Maybe the CPI directory of FreeDOS could ship with a TXT file

giving a list of which fonts can be found in which CPX or CPI file?



There are four TXT files in the CPIDOS package with plenty of 
information; I'm available for further explanation, if necessary.


Henrique
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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 BASE packages

[Rugxulo]

Hi,

On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Antony Gordon  wrote:
>
> Given the changes in DOS since 2.X until now, Edlin and EXE2BIN should be
> optional. DOS 5 replaced Edlin with EDIT and EXE2BIN wasn't included with
> DOS after 3.3 or 4.01.

DOS also stopped providing LINK.EXE around that time, too. Presumably
all the development tools were better found elsewhere (bundled with MS
C or whatever). I didn't think EXE2BIN was useful at all without some
kind of assembler or compiler, but people here seemed to disagree with
me. (This particular one comes from OpenWatcom 1.5 anyways, so )

> Which memory manager offers the most compatibility? FDXMS or HIMEMX?

Presumably HIMEMX. Not sure that FDXMS has been as widely tested
(although nothing is anymore, sigh).

I just wonder which version is Jerome including (3.32? 3.34?). Anyone
have a strong preference either way? (I'd obviously suggest 3.34, but
again, I don't know how widely tested it's been. Just having that 386
patch is good but not necessarily good enough to prefer it
exclusively.)

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[Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 BASE packages

[Jerome E. Shidel Jr.]

This is the list of the BASE Packages for the FDI installer.

Please note that I switched out UIDE for UDVD2. UIDE was causing strange
disk errors with FDINST and with FreeCOM.

Remember this is the Minimalist, MS-DOS functionality only BASE for FreeDOS 1.2.

Please let me know if I left anything out or should remove something.

Also, V8Power Tools is not installed when only BASE is selected.

; Package list for BASE only installation.

base\append
base\assign
base\attrib
base\chkdsk
base\choice
base\command
base\comp
base\cpidos
base\ctmouse
base\debug
base\defrag
base\deltree
base\devload
base\diskcomp
base\diskcopy
base\display
base\dosfsck
base\edit
base\edlin
base\exe2bin
base\fc
base\fdapm
base\fdisk
base\find
base\format
base\fdxms
base\fdxms286
base\help
base\jemm
base\himemx
base\kernel
base\keyb
base\keyb_lay
base\label
base\lbacache
base\mem
base\mirror
base\mkeyb
base\mode
base\more
base\move
base\nansi
base\nlsfunc
base\print
base\rdisk
base\recover
base\replace
base\share
base\shsucdx
base\sort
base\swsubst
base\tree
base\undelete
base\unformat
base\xcopy
base\xmgr
util\udvd2


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[Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 ALL packages

[Jerome E. Shidel Jr.]

This is the list of the ALL package list for the FDI installer.

Please let me know if I should anything else or remove something.

Also, V8Power Tools is also installed when ALL is selected.

This list includes all packages in the BASE. I just did not include them here 
to 
shorten the list.

; The remaining packages are only installed when ALL is chosen.
net\mtcp
util\4dos
util\doslfn
util\fdnpkg
util\memtest
util\bootfix
util\shsufdrv
util\cwsdpmi
archiver\zip
archiver\unzip

; Some packages I would like to see in ALL.
util\grep
archiver\tar
archiver\gzip
archiver\bz2
devel\nasm
devel\fpc
net\wget
net\rsync



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