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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Preview 11

2016-02-01 Thread Jerome E. Shidel Jr.


> On Feb 1, 2016, at 12:13 PM, Paul Dufresne  > wrote:
> 
> I just wrote (DD in Linux) the FDI-USB .IMG file on an USB-KEY.
> Think this was my first try to boot FreeDOS on USB key.
> Boots fine (once adjusted in BIOS).
> 
> Suprise 1) Unable to select a language different than english.
> Others are shown, but key down does not move to others.
> Did not was able (or really try) to go around that.

Oops, sorry. I don’t know why I did it. Somehow, how I managed to remove a 
line from mkFDI.bat that dynamically generates that section of code for the
installer. Since, I only use English I don’t notice. Fixed it.

> 
> Surprise 2) FDISK was at first showing the C: as the USB-Key. (LABEL
> FDI-SETUP as I remember).
> But there is an option in FDISK to change drive. Worked well.
> I stopped there because I did not really want to install on that computer.

USB as drive C and install to D is fine. So far,
I’ve had two people tell me that booting on USB was C: and 
one that it was L:.  The new way FDI does the detection stuff 
should be fine. 

But, you are correct with the default for FDISK. So, added stuff
so FDISK would select D (drive 2) at start when USB is C:

I have made both changes and pushed the updates online for 
download at http://up.lod.bz/FDI 


> 
> Might try later for real on an other.
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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Preview 11

2016-02-01 Thread Rugxulo

Hi,

On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr.  wrote:
>
> I just the FreeDOS 1.2 Installer Preview 11.
>
> Also, a more permanent USB stick image url location.
> There is a link to it on the FDI download page.

I just downloaded the FDI-USB.ZIP file (now 178 MB .ZIP'd, unpacks to
256 MB .img).

> Extra (not BASE or ALL), uninstalled packages on USB image. (about 50 extra)

147 MB of "DEVEL"??? Uh ... maybe I could sympathize with OW.ZIP and
NASM.ZIP (which total "only" 18 MB), but all of the rest is too
obscure (relatively speaking) for most developers. There aren't enough
active projects using the others to justify forcing it on all FreeDOS
downloaders. (I take it back, DJGPP *is* useful, but there are so many
"competing" versions that it's hard to know what to use sometimes.)

Unfortunately, anything you give here is either too much or too
minimal. Even limiting only to DJGPP mini-FAQ tools would be quite
large (well, especially since later GCC versions are even bigger).
What to do, stick to a classic like 3.46? Or my own home-rolled
"EZ-GCC v2" (2.95.3)?

Ugh, no easy answer. Without any obvious goal, I would just omit
everything except OW and NASM. Is anyone here (or elsewhere?) actively
fighting to keep others included here?? If not, then why include them?
Maybe I'm overthinking things (again).

> Moved CD driver from Installed FDCONFIG.SYS to AUTOEXEC.BAT

But LBACACHE now loads before UDVD2 and FDAPM, so you still can't
unload it.   :-(

> TODO: Sufficient free space is not verified prior to installation.

Would this help?

http://ericauer.cosmodata.virtuaserver.com.br/soft/specials/free-disk-space-tester-freetest.zip

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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Preview 11

2016-02-01 Thread Eric Auer


Hi :-)

>> I just downloaded the FDI-USB.ZIP file (now 178 MB .ZIP'd, unpacks
>> to 256 MB .img).

> Yeah, It’s a little big. But, on the other hand it is really hard to find
> a USB stick under 512mb. So, other than download size, it isn’t to
> important. However, that being said. It should be under 100mb
> for individuals who have very limited or expensive bandwidth.

The traditional answer would be to have a separate download which
contains only the BASE packages and whatever is needed to install,
such as UNZIP and the package manager :-) I would still like to
hear what the largest packages in FDI-USB are and which packages
of which size from Mateusz' 500 MB repository are still missing.

Having a separate download would make it easy for people to either
enjoy ALL Mateusz' packages on a 500+ MB size stick without having
to worry about DOS networking drivers (do you include ANY yet?) and
at the same time make things quick and easy for others who simply
want a basic install of DOS with a quick download :-)

>> 147 MB of "DEVEL"??? Uh ... maybe I could sympathize with OW.ZIP and
>> NASM.ZIP (which total "only" 18 MB), but all of the rest is too
>> obscure (relatively speaking) for most developers.

Hm? Are the "obscures" large? Are FPC, FreeBasic, DJGPP obscure?

>> But LBACACHE now loads before UDVD2 and FDAPM, so you still can't
>> unload it.   :-(
> 
> But, it is the installers boot media. Not the installed system. Does it 
> matter? 

Not really. Yet I agree that it is better to load FDAPM early ;-)

> The issue is not being able to check for available free space. I just don’t
> see it as really being worth the overhead and additional complexity.

>   FDI starts, tests if there is enough freespace for minimum install.
>   YES, continue, No, check if there would be enough if current version is 
> removed.
>   If not, stop telling user not enough space.

You could make it simpler: If there is enough space to install (make
a base / all distinction) without deleting anything, be happy. If you
have less space, warn the user: They MIGHT be able to install stuff,
because the install will overwrite some old versions with newer ones,
but they continue at own risk. Give the user a rough idea of free size.

>   If user wants to make a backup, make sure there will be enough room for 
> that
>   an the minimal install.

Can we assume that stuff is moved to backups, instead of adding backup
size to the amount of already used disk space?

>   Based on package selection, make sure there will be enough room for that
>   the backup.

I had the impression that you wanted to avoid individual package choices
to keep the install simple? Of course the package manager can always be
smart and ponder how much space is consumed by installing [list of some
packages] but for the moment, I guess knowing how large base / full are
should be enough to get a rough idea in the installer, not in fdnpkg :-)

> Or:   
>   Just test for Max install size + backup size.

Yep. And maybe have a separate BASE-only download: Less disk size used
and less download bandwidth used. Plus people can always install extra
stuff later using the package manager. Either by feeding it package ZIP
files or by getting DOS networking to work.

>> http://ericauer.cosmodata.virtuaserver.com.br/soft/specials/free-disk-space-tester-freetest.zip

A classic tool for your errorlevel based disk space usage checks ;-)

Cheers, Eric



PS: It is a bit weird that the current image has to overwrite the whole
stick, which often is a lot larger than 256 MB. How about alternatives
that you copy to already FAT formatted sticks and a tool to SYS & MBR?
I know, FAT is less popular today, but this would be nice for those who
do not want to mess up stick partitions or do not know how to redo them.



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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Preview 11

2016-02-01 Thread Jerome E. Shidel Jr.


A side note to ALL, regarding what packages are included.

There is really no reason you cannot make your own personal customized FDI 
based release.

Two ways to do it.

The easy way:

For Floppy Image, just modify the package list files 
A:\FDSETUP\SETUP\*.LST. 
It will then include or exclude them. 

For USB image, same as above and also add and remove the packages.

The harder, but much better way, 

Create a Virtual Machine in VMware Fusion or other compatible Virtual 
Machine.

Create, two virtual flat hard disk images. First will be for the USB 
image. Second
 is a TEMP drive. Also, add a virtual CD and virtual floppy.

Boot the latest FDI floppy image. Exit the installer.

FDISK and Format both Hard Drives. (all re/boots should be done from 
FDI floppy)

Download FDI source from github and v8power tools from up.lod.bz.

Place FDI source files in D:\FDI

Place V8Power Binaries in D:\FDI\V8POWER

Create a TEMP directory on drive D: Set the Temp:

Edit the package list files in D:\FDI\SETTINGS

Change to D:\FDI

Insert repository CD image.

run mkfdi.bat

(This will turn the floppy in drive A: into the latest  version)

run mkfdi.bat usb

(this with turn drive C into the USB image)

Maybe, I will do a youtube video to demonstrate the second method. 

With the second version, you slim down or really beef up the install.
Make nearly any size USB stick. Etc.



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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Preview 11

2016-02-01 Thread Jerome E. Shidel Jr.


> On Feb 1, 2016, at 7:55 PM, Eric Auer  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi :-)
> 
>>> I just downloaded the FDI-USB.ZIP file (now 178 MB .ZIP'd, unpacks
>>> to 256 MB .img).
> 
>> Yeah, It’s a little big. But, on the other hand it is really hard to find
>> a USB stick under 512mb. So, other than download size, it isn’t to
>> important. However, that being said. It should be under 100mb
>> for individuals who have very limited or expensive bandwidth.
> 
> The traditional answer would be to have a separate download which
> contains only the BASE packages and whatever is needed to install,
> such as UNZIP and the package manager :-) I would still like to
> hear what the largest packages in FDI-USB are and which packages
> of which size from Mateusz' 500 MB repository are still missing.

Many things are not included. 

Here are the current included Extra packages that are included. But,
not installed with either BASE or ALL. At present, they have not all
been verified as being able to ship with FreeDOS.

> 
> Having a separate download would make it easy for people to either
> enjoy ALL Mateusz' packages on a 500+ MB size stick without having
> to worry about DOS networking drivers (do you include ANY yet?) and
> at the same time make things quick and easy for others who simply
> want a basic install of DOS with a quick download :-)

I do get what you are saying here, 

I really don’t have the time to go through every package in his repository 
to verify they are appropriately licensed to be be included with the FreeDOS.

  1.0M Dec  4 09:36 ansimat.zip
   23K Dec  4 09:40 b64.zip
  477K Apr  5  2009 biew.zip
   89K Aug  7  2013 cpied.zip
  690K Apr  5  2009 curl.zip
  1.5M Dec  5 04:31 djgpp.zip
  5.0M Dec  4 10:11 djgpp_bn.zip
  414K Dec  5 04:33 djgpp_bs.zip
  4.7M Dec  5 04:33 djgpp_db.zip
  666K Dec  4 10:14 djgpp_fq.zip
  191K Dec  4 10:15 djgpp_fx.zip
   12M Dec  4 10:16 djgpp_gc.zip
  270K Dec  4 10:19 djgpp_mk.zip
   11M Dec  4 10:20 djgpp_ob.zip
  6.0M Dec  4 10:21 djgpp_rh.zip
  1.0M Dec  5 04:33 djgpp_tx.zip
  368K Dec  4 10:24 dos32a.zip
   29K Sep 22  2012 dosidle.zip
  376K Feb 17  2013 fasm.zip
   14M Dec  4 06:01 fbc.zip
  856K Dec  4 10:53 fbc_help.zip
   37M Dec  4 11:03 fpc.zip
  4.8K Dec 30  2008 gcdrom.zip
  231K Feb  1  2013 grep.zip
  1.4M Dec  4 11:15 jwasm.zip
  303K Feb  1  2013 less.zip
  139K Jun 17  2015 md5sum.zip
  1000 Jun 22  2015 mtcp.zip
  2.5M Jan  4 13:36 nasm.zip
  3.3M Dec  4 13:50 opengem.zip
   14M Jul 27  2014 ow.zip
  1.3M Dec  4 06:27 ozonegui.zip
  169K Apr  5  2009 part.zip
   26M Dec  4 13:57 perl.zip
  583K Dec 27 13:03 pgme.zip
  181K Nov 29 11:22 picosntp.zip
  597K Dec  4 13:35 picotcp.zip
  638K Jun 23  2013 ping.zip
  1.1M Dec  4 13:49 rsync.zip
   23K Feb 22  2009 search.zip
  3.8K Sep 22  2012 slowdos.zip
   28K Aug 16  2013 tinyaes.zip
  1.9M Dec  4 06:58 unrtf.zip
  1.9M Dec  4 12:24 upx.zip
   19K May 10  2015 utf8tocp.zip
  140K Jul 16  2013 vmsmount.zip
  551K Dec  5 04:36 vncview.zip
  2.3M Dec  4 07:05 wget.zip
   40K Apr  4  2009 xcdrom.zip
  180K Apr  5  2009 xfdisk.zip

> 
>>> 147 MB of "DEVEL"??? Uh ... maybe I could sympathize with OW.ZIP and
>>> NASM.ZIP (which total "only" 18 MB), but all of the rest is too
>>> obscure (relatively speaking) for most developers.
> 
> Hm? Are the "obscures" large? Are FPC, FreeBasic, DJGPP obscure?
> 
>>> But LBACACHE now loads before UDVD2 and FDAPM, so you still can't
>>> unload it.   :-(
>> 
>> But, it is the installers boot media. Not the installed system. Does it 
>> matter? 
> 
> Not really. Yet I agree that it is better to load FDAPM early ;-)
> 
>> The issue is not being able to check for available free space. I just don’t
>> see it as really being worth the overhead and additional complexity.
> 
>>  FDI starts, tests if there is enough freespace for minimum install.
>>  YES, continue, No, check if there would be enough if current version is 
>> removed.
>>  If not, stop telling user not enough space.
> 
> You could make it simpler: If there is enough space to install (make
> a base / all distinction) without deleting anything, be happy. If you
> have less space, warn the user: They MIGHT be able to install stuff,
> because the install will overwrite some old versions with newer ones,
> but they continue at own risk. Give the user a rough idea of free size.
> 
>>  If user wants to make a backup, make sure there will be enough room for 
>> that
>>  an the minimal install.
> 
> Can we assume that stuff is moved to backups, instead of adding backup
> size to the amount of already used disk space?
> 
>>  Based on package selection, make sure there will be enough room for that
>>  the backup.
> 
> I had the impression that you wanted to avoid individual package choices
> to keep the install simple? Of course the package manager can always be
> smart and ponder how much space is consumed by installing [list of some
> packages] but for the moment, I guess knowing how large

Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Preview 11

2016-02-01 Thread Jerome E. Shidel Jr.

> On Feb 1, 2016, at 6:17 PM, Rugxulo  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr.  
> wrote:
>> 
>> I just the FreeDOS 1.2 Installer Preview 11.
>> 
>> Also, a more permanent USB stick image url location.
>> There is a link to it on the FDI download page.
> 
> I just downloaded the FDI-USB.ZIP file (now 178 MB .ZIP'd, unpacks to
> 256 MB .img).

Yeah, It’s a little big. But, on the other hand it is really hard to find
a USB stick under 512mb. So, other than download size, it isn’t to
important. However, that being said. It should be under 100mb
for individuals who have very limited or expensive bandwidth.

> 
>> Extra (not BASE or ALL), uninstalled packages on USB image. (about 50 extra)
> 
> 147 MB of "DEVEL"??? Uh ... maybe I could sympathize with OW.ZIP and
> NASM.ZIP (which total "only" 18 MB), but all of the rest is too
> obscure (relatively speaking) for most developers. There aren't enough
> active projects using the others to justify forcing it on all FreeDOS
> downloaders. (I take it back, DJGPP *is* useful, but there are so many
> "competing" versions that it's hard to know what to use sometimes.)
> 
> Unfortunately, anything you give here is either too much or too
> minimal. Even limiting only to DJGPP mini-FAQ tools would be quite
> large (well, especially since later GCC versions are even bigger).
> What to do, stick to a classic like 3.46? Or my own home-rolled
> "EZ-GCC v2" (2.95.3)?
> 
> Ugh, no easy answer. Without any obvious goal, I would just omit
> everything except OW and NASM. Is anyone here (or elsewhere?) actively
> fighting to keep others included here?? If not, then why include them?
> Maybe I'm overthinking things (again).

I hear you there. If the EXTRA stuff was completely removed, their
would be complaints over not just putting them on the install media.
If I leave them in, complaints about total size of the image.

So, I’ll try to pick something in the middle to make everybody unhappy.

Just kidding :-)

> 
>> Moved CD driver from Installed FDCONFIG.SYS to AUTOEXEC.BAT
> 
> But LBACACHE now loads before UDVD2 and FDAPM, so you still can't
> unload it.   :-(

But, it is the installers boot media. Not the installed system. Does it matter? 

I will move it just for you. But, I’m curious why you really want to be able 
unload it.

So for the next release, I have set DOSLFN to load second to last. 
Then finally, LBACACHE.

> 
>> TODO: Sufficient free space is not verified prior to installation.
> 
> Would this help?

The issue is not being able to check for available free space. I just don’t
see it as really being worth the overhead and additional complexity.

example:

FDI starts, tests if there is enough freespace for minimum install.
YES, continue, No, check if there would be enough if current version is 
removed.
If not, stop telling user not enough space.

If user wants to make a backup, make sure there will be enough room for 
that
an the minimal install.

Based on package selection, make sure there will be enough room for that
the backup.

With all appropriate screens, message and such in multiple languages.

Or: 
Just test for Max install size + backup size.

Or: 
Just note at download time, full installation + backup will require NNN 
mb of free 
space. 

> 
> http://ericauer.cosmodata.virtuaserver.com.br/soft/specials/free-disk-space-tester-freetest.zip
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Re: [Freedos-devel] Japheth's HX SRC files

2016-02-01 Thread Антон Кочков

Hi!
Please, consider contributing to this https://github.com/JWasm instead
of setting up a new version of JWasm.
We've added a few improvements and migrated issues as well.
It does have AppVeyor and Travis-CI connected, as like as Coverity.
Best regards,
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On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Antony Gordon  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I dug into the wayback machine and grabbed what I could from Japheth's site.
> I'm working on dumping it into a Git repository so that it remains
> accessible.
>
> So far, HXSRC is up at https://github.com/cuzintone/HXSRC. I am working on
> JWASM and JWLINK as well and any additional code that I see on the site.
>
> -T
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[Freedos-devel] Japheth's HX SRC files

2016-02-01 Thread Antony Gordon

Hi,

I dug into the wayback machine and grabbed what I could from Japheth's
site. I'm working on dumping it into a Git repository so that it remains
accessible.

So far, HXSRC is up at https://github.com/cuzintone/HXSRC. I am working on
JWASM and JWLINK as well and any additional code that I see on the site.

-T
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[Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Preview 11

2016-02-01 Thread Jerome E. Shidel Jr.

I just the FreeDOS 1.2 Installer Preview 11. 

http://up.load.bz/FDI/latest 

Also, a more permanent USB stick image url location. 
There is a link to it on the FDI download page. Or,
just use the direct link  http://dnld.lod.bz/FDI-USB.zip 


What’s in Preview 11.

Improved BOOT from any USB stick at any drive letter (A, B, C, D, E….)

Improved Installation Target Detection. (C or D)

Extra (not BASE or ALL), uninstalled packages on USB image. (about 50 
extra)

Welcome to FreeDOS message, converted to a installed package with NLS.
(removed language specific messages from autoexec.bat)

V8Power Tools, converted to package like any other that gets installed 
with ALL.

Additional, BOOT menu item installed (DOS low - SAFE MODE)

Moved CD driver from Installed FDCONFIG.SYS to AUTOEXEC.BAT

Other minor improvements.

What is NOT in Preview 11. (Maybe 12, beta or not at all)

Boot sector is not overwritten with boot code if it happens to be 
missing.

Sufficient free space is not verified prior to installation.

Language specific COMMAND.COM is installed. But, it is not configured 
as default.

Language specific FDCONFIG.SYS menu items.


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Re: [Freedos-devel] Japheth's HX SRC files

2016-02-01 Thread Antony Gordon

I'm not contributing code, just archiving bits and pieces from the old site.

If there are updated sites and sources, they should probably be mentioned
in this group as well as comp.os.msdos.programmer, as most people believe
that there is no activity and the HXDOS extended is, much like Japheth's
site, defunct.

-T

I have no problems directing to your repository.
On Feb 1, 2016 9:51 AM, "Антон Кочков"  wrote:

> Hi!
> Please, consider contributing to this https://github.com/JWasm instead
> of setting up a new version of JWasm.
> We've added a few improvements and migrated issues as well.
> It does have AppVeyor and Travis-CI connected, as like as Coverity.
> Best regards,
> Anton Kochkov.
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Antony Gordon  wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I dug into the wayback machine and grabbed what I could from Japheth's
> site.
> > I'm working on dumping it into a Git repository so that it remains
> > accessible.
> >
> > So far, HXSRC is up at https://github.com/cuzintone/HXSRC. I am working
> on
> > JWASM and JWLINK as well and any additional code that I see on the site.
> >
> > -T
> >
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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Preview 11

2016-02-01 Thread Paul Dufresne

I just wrote (DD in Linux) the FDI-USB .IMG file on an USB-KEY.
Think this was my first try to boot FreeDOS on USB key.
Boots fine (once adjusted in BIOS).

Suprise 1) Unable to select a language different than english.
Others are shown, but key down does not move to others.
Did not was able (or really try) to go around that.

Surprise 2) FDISK was at first showing the C: as the USB-Key. (LABEL
FDI-SETUP as I remember).
But there is an option in FDISK to change drive. Worked well.
I stopped there because I did not really want to install on that computer.

Might try later for real on an other.

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