[Freedos-devel] New Email

[JAYDEN CHARBONNEAU]

Hello.I have moved my primary email from the domain it was in.My new Email
is "binarybyte@gmail.com"

This will take effect in a few hours.Please email me at my new address from
this point on,as my old email address will be removed.

Regards,Jayden
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[Freedos-devel] Testing

[Jayden Charbonneau]

Just testing my new email address,to make sure it is on the DEVEL list
again.

-Jayden
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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Preview 11

[Jerome E. Shidel Jr.]

> On Feb 2, 2016, at 7:28 PM, Rugxulo  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> (I'll respond quickly here even though there's a billion follow-up
> responses already.)
> 
> 
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 6:10 PM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr.  
> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Feb 1, 2016, at 6:17 PM, Rugxulo  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr.  
>>> wrote:
 
 I just the FreeDOS 1.2 Installer Preview 11.
 
 Also, a more permanent USB stick image url location.
 There is a link to it on the FDI download page.
>>> 
>>> I just downloaded the FDI-USB.ZIP file (now 178 MB .ZIP'd, unpacks to
>>> 256 MB .img).
>> 
>> Yeah, It’s a little big. But, on the other hand it is really hard to find
>> a USB stick under 512mb. So, other than download size, it isn’t to
>> important. However, that being said. It should be under 100mb
>> for individuals who have very limited or expensive bandwidth.
> 
> I just don't think most people downloading FreeDOS really need FPC or
> FBC or DJGPP (even if I do like them). I think they can just grab them
> separately. But OW and NASM are officially recommended and much
> smaller, so to those I have no complaints.
> 
 Moved CD driver from Installed FDCONFIG.SYS to AUTOEXEC.BAT
>>> 
>>> But LBACACHE now loads before UDVD2 and FDAPM, so you still can't
>>> unload it.   :-(
>> 
>> But, it is the installers boot media. Not the installed system. Does it 
>> matter?
>> 
>> I will move it just for you. But, I’m curious why you really want to be able 
>> unload it.
>> 
>> So for the next release, I have set DOSLFN to load second to last.
>> Then finally, LBACACHE.
> 
> Sigh, no, I misunderstood that, sorry.
> 
> Of course you don't need to unload on the installer boot media. I just
> meant in general that it made no sense (to me) why you wouldn't at
> least give the user the option to unload later, if needed. It's easy
> to miss details like that, so I was just mentioning it for
> completeness.

No problem. I was a little perplexed as to why you were so insistent.
Now, it makes sense to why you kept bringing it up. Just as an 
fyi, I moved it on the boot media anyway. 

:-)

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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Preview 11

[Rugxulo]

Hi,

(I'll respond quickly here even though there's a billion follow-up
responses already.)


On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 6:10 PM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr.  wrote:
>
>> On Feb 1, 2016, at 6:17 PM, Rugxulo  wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr.  
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I just the FreeDOS 1.2 Installer Preview 11.
>>>
>>> Also, a more permanent USB stick image url location.
>>> There is a link to it on the FDI download page.
>>
>> I just downloaded the FDI-USB.ZIP file (now 178 MB .ZIP'd, unpacks to
>> 256 MB .img).
>
> Yeah, It’s a little big. But, on the other hand it is really hard to find
> a USB stick under 512mb. So, other than download size, it isn’t to
> important. However, that being said. It should be under 100mb
> for individuals who have very limited or expensive bandwidth.

I just don't think most people downloading FreeDOS really need FPC or
FBC or DJGPP (even if I do like them). I think they can just grab them
separately. But OW and NASM are officially recommended and much
smaller, so to those I have no complaints.

>>> Moved CD driver from Installed FDCONFIG.SYS to AUTOEXEC.BAT
>>
>> But LBACACHE now loads before UDVD2 and FDAPM, so you still can't
>> unload it.   :-(
>
> But, it is the installers boot media. Not the installed system. Does it 
> matter?
>
> I will move it just for you. But, I’m curious why you really want to be able 
> unload it.
>
> So for the next release, I have set DOSLFN to load second to last.
> Then finally, LBACACHE.

Sigh, no, I misunderstood that, sorry.

Of course you don't need to unload on the installer boot media. I just
meant in general that it made no sense (to me) why you wouldn't at
least give the user the option to unload later, if needed. It's easy
to miss details like that, so I was just mentioning it for
completeness.

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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Preview 11

[Paul Dufresne]

Your suggestion to "fdisk /mbr:81" (81=D:) was making much sense to me
because the disk was having grub on it before I erase all with fdisk
to make place for FreeDOS. So yes, it made sense that grub being
installed in MBR might made me not having normal MBR.
But trying "fdisk /mbr:81" have not helped: still rebooting in loop.
I check the filesystem in Linux, mounted it, seems fine.

When booting RescueCD on my multiboot USB (that I am using to write my
email), using A) SuperGrub, it detects and shows the FreeDOS OS, but
when I tried to boot from it, was having just the cursor blinking
endlessly in upperleft.
That said, when in multiboot USB, sometimes thing are not exactly as
they should. Like trying to run the FreeDOS that is partr of RescueCD
was having a divide by 0 error before the prompt appears.

Unsure at all how to continue... maybe download latest rescueCD and
burn it on a DVD.

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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Preview 11

[Eric Auer]

Hi!

> I just don't think most people downloading FreeDOS really need FPC or
> FBC or DJGPP (even if I do like them). I think they can just grab them
> separately. But OW and NASM are officially recommended and much
> smaller, so to those I have no complaints.

FreeBasic has a rather cool QB compatibility mode and some
software in the FreeDOS distro is compiled with DJGPP, but
of course without the tons of add-ons available for DJGPP.

Not sure which coolness factor FreePascal has, but Pascal
certainly was a classic programming language of DOS users.

Cheers, Eric



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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Preview 11

[Jerome E. Shidel Jr.]

> On Feb 2, 2016, at 7:39 PM, Eric Auer  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi!
> 
>> I just don't think most people downloading FreeDOS really need FPC or
>> FBC or DJGPP (even if I do like them). I think they can just grab them
>> separately. But OW and NASM are officially recommended and much
>> smaller, so to those I have no complaints.
> 
> FreeBasic has a rather cool QB compatibility mode and some
> software in the FreeDOS distro is compiled with DJGPP, but
> of course without the tons of add-ons available for DJGPP.
> 
> Not sure which coolness factor FreePascal has, but Pascal
> certainly was a classic programming language of DOS users.

I agree with Pascal being a classic and very traditional language and
even if it is not installed I would like to see it ship on the install
media. 

But, if Jim wants the USB and ISO to be as slim as possible (no extras) and
it doesn’t become part of ALL, I will sadly pull it without complaint. :-(

> 
> Cheers, Eric
> 
> 
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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Preview 11

[Louis Santillan]

I wouldn't think the LBA aware type would have kept your system from
booting.  I thought that only affected Win9x and IFS driver.

Glad you got it working anyways.

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 9:20 PM, Paul Dufresne  wrote:

> >What exact partition i.d. is your FAT? Perhaps it needs to be LBA
> >aware (0xC)? I don't remember offhand.
> Yes, looks like you found the problem.
> I changed it in Linux, from b (W95 FAT32) to c (W95 FAT32 LBA).
> Then tried to boot my partition (that is now in GRUB since I just
> installed a Linux to the side of FreeDOS).
> It did not worked better than before. [just blinking cursor]
> But then I rebooted with my FreeDOS FDI-USB beta key, and ran fdisk.
> There I now saw (W95 FAT32 L[BA was missing].
> I DID NOT SAW ANY WAY TO CHANGE THE TYPE OF THE PARTITION IN FreeDOS
> FDISK!!
> So I reinstalled over.
> Was happy this time that fdisk or setup did not try to install it's
> own MBR so not to break my Linux Grub.
> And that time it boots fine.
>
> Looks like FreeDOS FDISK use type b when using FAT32, but should use
> type c to enable LBA!!
>
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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Preview 11

[Rugxulo]

Hi,

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 11:20 PM, Paul Dufresne  wrote:
>
>>What exact partition i.d. is your FAT? Perhaps it needs to be LBA
>>aware (0xC)? I don't remember offhand.
>
> Yes, looks like you found the problem.
>
> I DID NOT SAW ANY WAY TO CHANGE THE TYPE OF THE PARTITION IN FreeDOS FDISK!!
>
> Looks like FreeDOS FDISK use type b when using FAT32, but should use
> type c to enable LBA!!

I don't know how to force FDISK to set this correctly (or even fix this).

http://help.fdos.org/en/hhstndrd/base/fdisk.htm

"/XDo not use LBA partitions." (so it does know about LBA sometimes)

"[/SPEC:'type#'] Specifies the partition type number." (maybe this works??)

'/SMBR [drive#]  Saves the current MBR on 'drive#', into a file called
"boot.mbr".' (that could be useful)

...

But anyways, a quick double-check does show that BootMgr can "set
partition id" (hex), if needed. IIRC, that's the way that I manually
corrected mine, years ago.

http://freedos.sourceforge.net/software/?prog=bootmgr

There are presumably other ways too (wDE ??), but I don't know offhand.

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Re: [Freedos-devel] New Email

[Maarten Vermeulen]

This is done, you are member of the group.

Maarten



Op dinsdag 2 februari 2016 heeft JAYDEN CHARBONNEAU <
jcharbonnea...@cpsge.org> het volgende geschreven:

> Also,mercury,I need my new email to be added to the nightdos kernel google
> group again.Thanks.
>
> -Jayden
>
> 
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Preview 11

[Paul Dufresne]

>What exact partition i.d. is your FAT? Perhaps it needs to be LBA
>aware (0xC)? I don't remember offhand.
Yes, looks like you found the problem.
I changed it in Linux, from b (W95 FAT32) to c (W95 FAT32 LBA).
Then tried to boot my partition (that is now in GRUB since I just
installed a Linux to the side of FreeDOS).
It did not worked better than before. [just blinking cursor]
But then I rebooted with my FreeDOS FDI-USB beta key, and ran fdisk.
There I now saw (W95 FAT32 L[BA was missing].
I DID NOT SAW ANY WAY TO CHANGE THE TYPE OF THE PARTITION IN FreeDOS FDISK!!
So I reinstalled over.
Was happy this time that fdisk or setup did not try to install it's
own MBR so not to break my Linux Grub.
And that time it boots fine.

Looks like FreeDOS FDISK use type b when using FAT32, but should use
type c to enable LBA!!

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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Preview 11

[Paul Dufresne]

I have tried the latest FDI-USB.IMG and I would almost be happy with it.
Yes, I can now install in french fine.
Yes, fdisk now select the D: drive that is my hard disk.
Yes, all the installation goes fine.
Except when I reboot, it reboot in loop.
My hard drive is SATA did read it should works just fine because
FreeDOS use BIOS.
I tried to change from SATA1+2 to SATA 1 in BIOS but then my hard
drive disappeared, had to undo it.
Tried OS is not plug-and-play... did not help.
Tried removing Virtual extension, did not help.

I had chosen FAT32... and a primary partition of 4000 MB (of about 152000).
Thinking trying not to enable large disk...

This is my main machine... writing this from Live USB key.
Any suggestion? HP Pavillon A6000n (AMD 64).

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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Preview 11

[Paul Dufresne]

Note that I still used 4000 Mb primary FAT32 (big drive?) partition.

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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Preview 11

[Paul Dufresne]

Ok, I open my box and literally found an old forgotten dusty
unconnected PATA 40Gb drive.
I connected it (after disconnecting SATA drive).
And reinstall FreeDOS from USB key.
Worked flawlessly this time.
At least a few seconds until I try to type 'help dir' or 'help' (as
suggested) which make the system hang... as it always did as far as I
remember.

So it seems that either FreeDOS have a problem with SATA drives, or
with big (150Gb) drives.

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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Preview 11

[Paul Dufresne]

Burn on a DVD latest SystemRescueCD but does the same as on my USB key:
-divide by zero exception when trying to use FreeDOS on the DVD
-SuperGrub just showing upperleft blinking cursor when booting SATA
149 GiB, FreeDOS partition

But discovered that HardwareDetectionTool was showing MBR as Grub2 v. 1.97...
So used install-mbr on SystemRescueCD to install 'Testdisk MBR' that
let's you choose which partition (1-4) to boot.
Well, seems to not reboot anymore, but having the blinking cursor
after 'MBR' showing on the console.

The SATA controller is an NVidia one... must chips are NVidia on that
motherboard.
Don't know if it can be linked to the isssue.

Don't know why 'fdisk /mbr:81 was not working... had verified that I
did not need :80 (C:). Maybe fast, but I had checked.

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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Preview 11

[Rugxulo]

Hi,

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 9:24 PM, Paul Dufresne  wrote:
>
> Burn on a DVD latest SystemRescueCD but does the same as on my USB key:
> -divide by zero exception when trying to use FreeDOS on the DVD

Try F8 (single stepping) through your config, and disable any EMM386
or JEMMEX. See if that helps.

> -SuperGrub just showing upperleft blinking cursor when booting SATA
> 149 GiB, FreeDOS partition
>
> But discovered that HardwareDetectionTool was showing MBR as Grub2 v. 1.97...

What exact partition i.d. is your FAT? Perhaps it needs to be LBA
aware (0xC)? I don't remember offhand.

BTW, "Grub2" and "1.9.7" sounds wrong. I assume this means you're
(only) using GRUB classic. It can't be hard to wipe that (stage1 ??),
can it?

> So used install-mbr on SystemRescueCD to install 'Testdisk MBR' that
> let's you choose which partition (1-4) to boot.
> Well, seems to not reboot anymore, but having the blinking cursor
> after 'MBR' showing on the console.

Have you ever successfully tried other methods of installing (DOS) to USB?

1). http://unetbootin.github.io/
2). http://rufus.akeo.ie/
3). http://joelinoff.com/blog/?p=431

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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 Preview 11

[Rugxulo]

Hi,

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 6:56 PM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr.  wrote:
>
>> On Feb 2, 2016, at 7:39 PM, Eric Auer  wrote:
>>
>>> I just don't think most people downloading FreeDOS really need FPC or
>>> FBC or DJGPP (even if I do like them). I think they can just grab them
>>> separately.
>>
>> Not sure which coolness factor FreePascal has, but Pascal
>> certainly was a classic programming language of DOS users.
>
> I agree with Pascal being a classic and very traditional language and
> even if it is not installed I would like to see it ship on the install
> media.
>
> But, if Jim wants the USB and ISO to be as slim as possible (no extras) and
> it doesn’t become part of ALL, I will sadly pull it without complaint. :-(

How sad can you be? They can still easily find it online. Let's be
honest, I'm not complaining that hard. It's not THAT important either
way.

I just dislike including 150 MB of developer stuff when I heavily
suspect that 99% of users will never need it. (And I prefer FPC more
than most, but it's just not crucial enough here.)

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[Freedos-devel] Roll your own FreeDOS 1.2+

[Jerome E. Shidel Jr.]

Hello all, 

I have created a youtube video that demonstrates how to 
create your own custom FreeDOS 1.2+ installation Floppy and
USB stick images. 

It demonstrates the complete process from scratch, includes what you need to 
download, how to configure the build environment inside VirtualBOX, changing the
included extra packages, customizing the OS version and all the way to having 
the both the Floppy and USB stick images.

https://youtu.be/9daLiLdG6SM 

You could also modify the to be installed AUTOEXEC.BAT and FDCONFIG.SYS files
that are located under \FDSETUP\SETUP in the FDI source as *.DEF files.

The \FDSETUP\AUTOEXEC.BAT and \FDSETUP\FDCONFIG.SYS contain the boot
configuration files for the installer images themselves. 

Enjoy,

Jerome--
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