Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 BASE packages

2015-12-20 Thread Antony Gordon 
Hi,

Given the changes in DOS since 2.X until now, Edlin and EXE2BIN should be
optional. DOS 5 replaced Edlin with EDIT and EXE2BIN wasn't included with
DOS after 3.3 or 4.01.

Which memory manager offers the most compatibility? FDXMS or HIMEMX?

-T

On Sun, Dec 20, 2015, 4:53 PM Jerome E. Shidel Jr. 
wrote:

> This is the list of the BASE Packages for the FDI installer.
>
> Please note that I switched out UIDE for UDVD2. UIDE was causing strange
> disk errors with FDINST and with FreeCOM.
>
> Remember this is the Minimalist, MS-DOS functionality only BASE for
> FreeDOS 1.2.
>
> Please let me know if I left anything out or should remove something.
>
> Also, V8Power Tools is not installed when only BASE is selected.
>
> ; Package list for BASE only installation.
>
> base\append
> base\assign
> base\attrib
> base\chkdsk
> base\choice
> base\command
> base\comp
> base\cpidos
> base\ctmouse
> base\debug
> base\defrag
> base\deltree
> base\devload
> base\diskcomp
> base\diskcopy
> base\display
> base\dosfsck
> base\edit
> base\edlin
> base\exe2bin
> base\fc
> base\fdapm
> base\fdisk
> base\find
> base\format
> base\fdxms
> base\fdxms286
> base\help
> base\jemm
> base\himemx
> base\kernel
> base\keyb
> base\keyb_lay
> base\label
> base\lbacache
> base\mem
> base\mirror
> base\mkeyb
> base\mode
> base\more
> base\move
> base\nansi
> base\nlsfunc
> base\print
> base\rdisk
> base\recover
> base\replace
> base\share
> base\shsucdx
> base\sort
> base\swsubst
> base\tree
> base\undelete
> base\unformat
> base\xcopy
> base\xmgr
> util\udvd2
>
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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 BASE packages

2015-12-20 Thread Rugxulo 
Hi, I don't know how useful this is (esp. this late in the release
process), but 

On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr.  wrote:
> This is the list of the BASE Packages for the FDI installer.
>
> Please let me know if I left anything out or should remove something.
>
> base\append
> base\assign
> base\attrib
> base\chkdsk
> base\choice
> base\command
> base\comp

base\country ? (but isn't it included in kernel?)

> base\cpidos

> base\ctmouse

(eventually we need to replace bundled com2exe, which AFAIK isn't
majorly useful)

> base\debug
> base\defrag

> base\deltree

(make sure this isn't UPX'd as 186+ only)

> base\devload
> base\diskcomp
> base\diskcopy
> base\display
> base\dosfsck
> base\edit
> base\edlin

> base\exe2bin

(I still say nobody needs exe2bin)

base\fasthelp? (probably not majorly needed)

> base\fc
> base\fdapm
> base\fdisk

(which fdisk? FD only? no XFdisk? I also need to reinvestigate SPFdisk
one of these days)

> base\find

(this LFN version is still buggy, AFAIR)

> base\format

> base\fdxms

(fdxms is technically not listed in "BASE" but whatever)

> base\fdxms286

base\graphics? (but I doubt most people have compatible printers anyways)

> base\help

> base\jemm

(probably should remove JLOAD and *.JLM first)

> base\himemx

> base\kernel

(this should also have SHARE and COUNTRY, right?)

> base\keyb
> base\keyb_lay

(aka, base\kpdos?)

base\kc?

> base\label
> base\lbacache
> base\mem
> base\mirror
> base\mkeyb

> base\mode

(I guess not to wait for this minor bugfix release)

> base\more

> base\move

(sigh, we still never fixed the +r bug)

> base\nansi
> base\nlsfunc
> base\print
> base\rdisk

> base\recover

(I seriously question the usefulness of RECOVER, I doubt anyone would miss it)

> base\replace

> base\share

(isn't the one bundled with the kernel preferred? what still needs
this, Win3x??)

> base\shsucdx
> base\sort

> base\swsubst

(does this work at all anymore??)

> base\tree
> base\undelete
> base\unformat
> base\xcopy

> base\xmgr
> util\udvd2

("BASE" does have both "uide" and "xmgr" but not "udvd2", so I'm not
sure why we don't just combine all that RDISK+UIDE+XMGR (etc.) into
one package)

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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 BASE packages

2015-12-20 Thread Mateusz Viste 
On 20/12/2015 23:48, Rugxulo wrote:
> ("BASE" does have both "uide" and "xmgr" but not "udvd2", so I'm not
> sure why we don't just combine all that RDISK+UIDE+XMGR (etc.) into
> one package)

I think that was me who exploded this into different packages. The 
rationale was that when users look for a package, they look for 
something that performs a given function - being a ramdisk, or CD 
driver, or memory manager... Having all of these bundled in one package 
lowers the visibility of what it actually contains. The only reason it 
comes all together 'upstream' is because it comes from the same 
developer, but that's not enough of a reason in my opinion to keep it 
bundled as a single FreeDOS package.

Mateusz


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Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 BASE packages

2015-12-20 Thread Rugxulo 
Hi,

On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Antony Gordon  wrote:
>
> Given the changes in DOS since 2.X until now, Edlin and EXE2BIN should be
> optional. DOS 5 replaced Edlin with EDIT and EXE2BIN wasn't included with
> DOS after 3.3 or 4.01.

DOS also stopped providing LINK.EXE around that time, too. Presumably
all the development tools were better found elsewhere (bundled with MS
C or whatever). I didn't think EXE2BIN was useful at all without some
kind of assembler or compiler, but people here seemed to disagree with
me. (This particular one comes from OpenWatcom 1.5 anyways, so )

> Which memory manager offers the most compatibility? FDXMS or HIMEMX?

Presumably HIMEMX. Not sure that FDXMS has been as widely tested
(although nothing is anymore, sigh).

I just wonder which version is Jerome including (3.32? 3.34?). Anyone
have a strong preference either way? (I'd obviously suggest 3.34, but
again, I don't know how widely tested it's been. Just having that 386
patch is good but not necessarily good enough to prefer it
exclusively.)

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[Freedos-devel] FreeDOS 1.2 BASE packages

2015-12-20 Thread Jerome E. Shidel Jr. 
This is the list of the BASE Packages for the FDI installer.

Please note that I switched out UIDE for UDVD2. UIDE was causing strange
disk errors with FDINST and with FreeCOM.

Remember this is the Minimalist, MS-DOS functionality only BASE for FreeDOS 1.2.

Please let me know if I left anything out or should remove something.

Also, V8Power Tools is not installed when only BASE is selected.

; Package list for BASE only installation.

base\append
base\assign
base\attrib
base\chkdsk
base\choice
base\command
base\comp
base\cpidos
base\ctmouse
base\debug
base\defrag
base\deltree
base\devload
base\diskcomp
base\diskcopy
base\display
base\dosfsck
base\edit
base\edlin
base\exe2bin
base\fc
base\fdapm
base\fdisk
base\find
base\format
base\fdxms
base\fdxms286
base\help
base\jemm
base\himemx
base\kernel
base\keyb
base\keyb_lay
base\label
base\lbacache
base\mem
base\mirror
base\mkeyb
base\mode
base\more
base\move
base\nansi
base\nlsfunc
base\print
base\rdisk
base\recover
base\replace
base\share
base\shsucdx
base\sort
base\swsubst
base\tree
base\undelete
base\unformat
base\xcopy
base\xmgr
util\udvd2


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