[Freedos-kernel] builds for testing purpose

2004-09-20 Thread Interim FreeDOS Kernel Maintainer
In case you want to help test the FreeDOS kernel,
but either do not want to or can not [easily] do
cvs builds, there are now daily (not that the kernel
actually changes that often) builds available along
with source at http://www.fdos.org/kernel/
Please see http://www.fdos.org/kernel/.README
for a list/description of a files available.
I make no guarentee that filenames will not change,
but the .README will be updated to reflect any such
changes (should only occur if I add additional build
variants).
The simplist approach is just get KERNEL.SYS to help
test the stable branch or get KERNEL.dev.SYS (and
rename to KERNEL.SYS) to help test the development
branch.  [Similar there is SYS.COM and SYS.dev.COM]
Otherwise, download the zip file matching the kernel
and build options you wish to help test.  Currently
available are kernels built with Borland's Turbo C
and OpenWatcom 1.2, including with/without Fat32 and
86+ or 386+ only.  Presently all are UPX'd, though
if requested I may provide uncompressed builds.
These builds are provided ONLY for testing!  Please
do not expect any support for using them unless you
are willing to do some work yourself to help track down
and test the issue (but still no guarentees anyone
will help you or that they won't trash your system).
Thanks,
Jeremy

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[Freedos-kernel] Re: Broken VERSION= in 2035 etc. - too many kernels

2004-09-20 Thread Eric Auer

Hi!

 If it is broke in stable and fixed in dev, then it should
 be fixed in head soon.  Please people, the kernels are not
 Lucho/Arkady vs Tom/..., they are stable and development (unstable).

Well I can only give people the Lucho or the SF homepage URL if
they want a kernel BINARY. If I understand right, we NOW have the
Tom and the CVS SF binaries online, too? Which SF binaries,
2035 plus stable plus dev? Or is stable the same as 2035?

And if I understand right, The CVS dev branch contains most
Lucho / Arkady patches? Are there patches which are rejected even
in dev, or does that mean that CVS dev is - after some delay - the
same as the kernel on Luchos homepage? And CVS stable is one kernel
which collects all useful/stable updates since 2035, similar to
Toms kernel but not the same? Any quick-to-describe differences
between Tom and Jeremy-CVS-dev?

 See history.txt in the docs directory.
Accesible through the CVS web viewer for the dev and stable branches?

 Also see http://www.fdos.org/kernel/head2unstable.diff if you are
 curious of the difference (minus new files) between stable  dev.

Nice idea, but that is 554394 lines (bzip2 compressed would be 115k)
in ONE file, pretty tricky to fetch a collection of patches from
that 16613 line (71622 words) file unless you know verrry well which
patches you want.

 I'm still reviewing the patches in the dev branch and merging into
 stable.  Any that make it in that others strongly disagree with can
 always be reverted...

Thanks a lot, that definitely takes a lot of your spare time.
You could put up an online feedback system where people can
download single patches and 'upload' comments (like a grade / degree
of confidence in 'does not introduce bugs' / 'improves kernel' /
'does not change semantics' (or does change them, fixing a bug) terms).
That would allow to split the work a bit.

Eric

PS: Interesting...
FreeDOS in the news http://www.windowsfordevices.com/articles/AT6292162763.html
SmallBasic QBASIC DJGPP: http://smallbasic.sourceforge.net/
(I think a DJGPP version is really fine, no need for an 8086 port...
if the SmallBasic people need help with some features, let me know...)


PPS: download ISO to C:\ so you end up with C:\FDBOOTCD.ISO file...
then the FreeDOS installer mounts it? Why on earth...? Why not just
COPY the files on the ISO to c:\temp, then boot some DOS and FreeCOM,
cdd c:\temp, start the installer there? If you are clever enough to
copy a whole ISO to a PC which cannot boot from CD, then you will be
even more happy about being able to copy the files - which is even
simpler than copying the ISO, if you have to use floppy or slow link
cables / network.



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Re: [Freedos-kernel] Re: Broken VERSION= in 2035 etc. - too many kernels

2004-09-20 Thread Kenneth J. Davis
Eric Auer wrote:
Hi!

If it is broke in stable and fixed in dev, then it should
be fixed in head soon.  Please people, the kernels are not
Lucho/Arkady vs Tom/..., they are stable and development (unstable).

Well I can only give people the Lucho or the SF homepage URL if
they want a kernel BINARY. If I understand right, we NOW have the
Tom and the CVS SF binaries online, too? Which SF binaries,
Not sure about Tom, but yes there are binaries from unmodified
[sourceforge kernel] cvs now.
2035 plus stable plus dev? Or is stable the same as 2035?
SF only contains release binaries, which presently is 2035 and
soon will add 2035a.  On my site are the cvs binaries as they
are meant only for testing.
And if I understand right, The CVS dev branch contains most
Lucho / Arkady patches? Are there patches which are rejected even
in dev, or does that mean that CVS dev is - after some delay - the
same as the kernel on Luchos homepage? And CVS stable is one kernel
Lucho's homepage refers to cvs unstable branch last I checked.
which collects all useful/stable updates since 2035, similar to
Toms kernel but not the same? Any quick-to-describe differences
yes
between Tom and Jeremy-CVS-dev?
I haven't reviewed Tom's kernel yet.

See history.txt in the docs directory.
Accesible through the CVS web viewer for the dev and stable branches?
Should be, don't have the URL handy though.

Also see http://www.fdos.org/kernel/head2unstable.diff if you are
curious of the difference (minus new files) between stable  dev.

Nice idea, but that is 554394 lines (bzip2 compressed would be 115k)
in ONE file, pretty tricky to fetch a collection of patches from
that 16613 line (71622 words) file unless you know verrry well which
patches you want.
Well, its the diff file I use to apply patches to stable, so its hard
for me to give you the mini patches you request -- I followed the
discussions as they were posted to the list and that is still the
archives are still the best place to pick and choose them from.

I'm still reviewing the patches in the dev branch and merging into
stable.  Any that make it in that others strongly disagree with can
always be reverted...

Thanks a lot, that definitely takes a lot of your spare time.
You could put up an online feedback system where people can
download single patches and 'upload' comments (like a grade / degree
of confidence in 'does not introduce bugs' / 'improves kernel' /
'does not change semantics' (or does change them, fixing a bug) terms).
That would allow to split the work a bit.
The catch is, from experience I've found people don't generally comment
if things are liked, only if they are disliked.
Eric
...
Sorry for not replying better, but I'm late for work as it is.
Jeremy

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