[Freedos-user] Problems with the lists?
Hi guys I was trying to access the FreeDOS mailing lists through the website, but I got Not Found The requested URL /mailman/listinfo/freedos-user was not found on this server. http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/freedos-user I wanted to help a new user subscribe, but that's looking problematic now. Any suggestions? Shane --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] re: Not to flame but let others know ...
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:22:32 -0700, you wrote: Hi Blair, You should understand that Jim and others have given up trying to keep Jack happy, basically. I tend to join them. Count me in too. I have personally never used the Q drivers and will distribute the X drivers with my distro because I am NOT violating any license whatsoever. I'm very sorry to everyone make FreeDOS distributions (including you), for the XDMA matter. Rgds, Johnson. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] re: Not to flame but let others know ...
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:50:41 +0200 (MEST), you wrote: Eric, You got lot of time writing, I don't mind if you keep everything reasonable. 1) Jack don't want to let people think his work is a part of FreeDOS, he didn't ask ALL the people to remove the XDMA source, just don't want it on FreeDOS server Fewer people will use XDMA when it is no longer included with FreeDOS. Exactly no one will use XDMA if they knew it's terminated. Threre're several emulation project like this, such as Final Burn Alpha, the author terminate or leave the project, someone pick it up and rename a little bit and start their own. Some people always insist Jack violate GPL, he was just ask Jim to remove it, he didn't FORCE Jim to remove it, and Jim did keep it until now. Since Jim didn't respect Jack's will, so he terminate the XDMA project, that's the whole story. Anywhere includes FreeDOS. And Johnson, you no longer have XDMA online, so the ONLY place where I can still get XDMA is from FreeDOS. So you should be happy that Jim refused to delete it. I didn't get your meaning, you can modify XDMA and release it without Jack R. Ellis or amend altered by Eric Auer and release it, I won't feel happy or angry because it's not belong to Jack R. Ellis and not distribute by me, we're responsible to the quality and want to share it with people, we're not trying to advertise ourself and become famous, I didn't earn my living by this, and Jack retired, we have nothing relate to power or money. In fact, if you did want to take over XDMA, well please do it, you take the responsibility by yourself. Arguably. If we had deleted our copies, Jack would probably have made XDMA, sorry, QDMA closed source 3 weeks later, because he would have been upset about somebody else, but it would not have made a big difference in the end. And, by the way, Ibiblio is NOT FreeDOS. It is an archive of nice and useful software in general. Then I assume Jack misunderstand Ibilblio server equal to official FreeDOS hosting site. Whatever his reasons are, I still disagree with his wish to punish the world (he wanted that nobody can see XDMA sources anymore) because he is unhappy with a few people of FreeDOS. Then you're totally wrong, close the source CAN punish anyone, what kind of logic is it? He was totally responsible to his work, if someone change it without updating the document, then distriibute the corrupted binary to user, and fortunately they lost their priceless data because of the corrupted driver and blame Jack, he will be the victim! That's why he try to minimize the distribution to avoid this kind of tragedy happen, at the very beginning I ask Jim to have a link to my homepage for the same reason, ask Jim for that email. That's not professional. Even though he might be a very professional programmer, it is hard to deal with him personally. You never sit in his position and think, try to reverse you and him: A guy send email to others explain my work, but in his interpretation and some of the information was wrong, and he did critize my work not smart enough! He even don't know how the driver work, and why I design it, he even challenge me without a better code! If you still not angry, thanks! You're not near from God. You should understand that Jim and others have given up trying to keep Jack happy, basically. I tend to join them. Jack will happy if everything reasonable, can you happy with someone call you stupid or against you will without a good reason. He may not did everything correct, but anyone listen to his words? PS: Jack does not violate GPL, but GPL violates the wish of Jack. As Lucho said, this is bad luck for Jack but might be good luck for XDMA. Again, I regard Lucho as a friend, I hope he won't be unhappy when I tell the truth. What do you do then something happened below: He alter my program without telling me or update the document, then send the altered program to a user, if that user corrupted the data because of the program, who will be the target? Me! Who was responsible? Who will take care of the consquences? This is why UDMA become XDMA. Rgds, Johnson. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid0709bid3057dat1642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] re: Not to flame but let others know ...
Hi Johnson, it is not necessary that Jack protects himself by no longer letting us distribute XDMA as part of the FreeDOS distro. It is not necessary that we distribute some modified by some other FreeDOS guy variant of XDMA to protect Jack either. In fact, XDMA is and will be by Jack, but we can modify it if we feel that this would be needed, for example to fix a bug. The modifications will then be by us. However, there is no danger for Jack or the modificator of XDMA, because XDMA uses the GPL. This license explicitly tells: This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU General Public License for more details. So while we all know that XDMA is meant to be useful and make disk access faster, nobody could blame Jack if XDMA would instead set the computers of all XDMA users on fire. Of course, because nobody updates XDMA at the moment, people might want to upgrade to QDMA when they see that QDMA has become a lot better than XDMA. Maybe somebody will try to pick up XDMA development and make XDMA as good as QDMA again, for example because he prefers to use open source software. However, XDMA is quite good, so many people will simply continue to use and install XDMA even after Jack dropped it. Some extra comment about imagine somebody would criticize your driver, and that somebody does not know how it works and cannot write better code - This is exactly why that somebody will criticize your driver. Because YOU are the expert for the driver (because you wrote it) and this means that the user will believe that YOU can help him better than he could help himself by trying to improve the driver himself :-). Eric --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] re: Not to flame but let others know ...
Hello! What's going on? What happened to FreeDOS? Everybody talking about a memory manager, but I can't imagine what happened. Who started the trouble? Regards, Escorter ___ Hogyan szerezz új állást? Regisztrálj, állítsd be a feltételeket, és naponta új, neked megfelelő ajánlatok érkeznek emailcímedre. Jobline Állásposta: http://ad.adverticum.net/b/cl,1,6022,98196,159883/click.prm --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid0709bid3057dat1642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] re: Not to flame but let others know ...
Escorter wrote: What's going on? What happened to FreeDOS? Everybody talking about a memory manager, but I can't imagine what happened. Who started the trouble? Let's just get back to work, eh? Lots to do. FreeDOS is in great shape, but some edges need polishing. The main distro needs fixing, and it'd be really cool to have a live CD or something :) I'm getting ready for OpenGEM 6, which should be out in May. Shane -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 w: www.shaneland.co.uk --- Projects: http://mobility.opendawn.comhttp://gem.opendawn.com http://enigmail.mozdev.org http://www.winpt.org --- Organisations: http://www.fsfeurope.orghttp://www.fsf.org http://www.labour.org.ukhttp://www.opensourceacademy.gov.uk --- OpenPGP: http://www.shaneland.co.uk/personalpages/shane/files/publickey.asc --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
