Re: [Freedos-user] freedos-98
I am curious if you can run Warcraft II under Wine I never tested this WC II at all :-| ReactOS used to an effort to clone Windows 95 YO ... FreeWin95 IIRC tried to clone 95, ReactOS always NT (but moving: NT4 - 2K - XP - Wi$ta - 7 - 8 - ???) until that was abandoned in favor of the NT architecture NT sucks less than ME (in some areas). but 95/98 era games are not always compatible with plain old dos 2 options for Win32 stuff: 1. HX 2. ReactOS But there is no solution for Win16 crap. -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] freedos-98
On 2012-12-20 08:30 (GMT) dos386 composed: there is no solution for Win16 There is. It's just not free: OS/2 Warp (old IBM name) eComStation (current release) -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Re (2): Another possible ambiguity of target; a drive part not acceptable to the installer.
From: Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 23:36:42 -0500 Why do you think a partitioning tool would damage a table? Isn't the most common source of a failure, a bug. No FDISK I've ever used will ignore existing partitions. To alter existing partitions requires you to direct it delete first, then create anew. To create new from freespace does not require it do anything to what's already there. I've never had FDISK break anything either but this is unfamiliar territory and there can always be a first time. Thanks for the reassurance. The only catch ... I was afraid there might be. =8~) ... as long as that tool conforms to common conventions. All too often, conventions are broken by ignorance or sloppyness or just by a simple blunder. Regards,... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +13606390202 Bcc: peasthope at shaw.ca http://carnot.yi.org/ http://members.shaw.ca/peasthope/index.html#Itinerary -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Stack overflow
Hello list:
I am having Stack Overflow problems with this simple code under FreeDOS and
OpenWatcom:
#include stdio.h
char a[8192];
int main()
{
int i;
char b[8192];
for(i=0; i8192; i++) a[i]=b[i]=0;
return 0;
}
I keep getting stack overflow problems.
I know this code is very simple and meaningless, but it's an example of how
I am having stack overflow problems with static arrays of size 8192.
Excuse me if the mail is too off-topic, but I think the problem is
something to do with memory.
Thanks,
Santiago
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Re: [Freedos-user] Stack overflow
wouldnt using memset() be better ?
On Dec 20, 2012, at 10:24 AM, Santiago Almenara wrote:
Hello list:
I am having Stack Overflow problems with this simple code under FreeDOS and
OpenWatcom:
#include stdio.h
char a[8192];
int main()
{
int i;
char b[8192];
for(i=0; i8192; i++) a[i]=b[i]=0;
return 0;
}
I keep getting stack overflow problems.
I know this code is very simple and meaningless, but it's an example of how I
am having stack overflow problems with static arrays of size 8192.
Excuse me if the mail is too off-topic, but I think the problem is something
to do with memory.
Thanks,
Santiago
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Re: [Freedos-user] Stack overflow
AFAIK when you use static tables they are allocated on the stack.
You might want to try allocating them on the heap...
To do so, simply use malloc().
char *a;
a = malloc(8192);
if (a == NULL) return(1);
/* do your stuff */
free(a);
return(0);
cheers,
Mateusz
On 12/20/2012 07:24 PM, Santiago Almenara wrote:
Hello list:
I am having Stack Overflow problems with this simple code under FreeDOS
and OpenWatcom:
#include stdio.h
char a[8192];
int main()
{
int i;
char b[8192];
for(i=0; i8192; i++) a[i]=b[i]=0;
return 0;
}
I keep getting stack overflow problems.
I know this code is very simple and meaningless, but it's an example of
how I am having stack overflow problems with static arrays of size 8192.
Excuse me if the mail is too off-topic, but I think the problem is
something to do with memory.
Thanks,
Santiago
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Re: [Freedos-user] Stack overflow
First, the good news - Watcom includes code at the start and end of each function to detect stack overflows. It is a lot easier to debug code when you know what the root cause of the problem is. If the stack overflow were to happen and remain silent, you could have all sorts of strange behavior. - Don't allocate large structures on the stack. That is the first problem. 8KB for a stack object is pretty large. Use malloc or other dynamic memory allocation instead. - If you need a large stack because you have lots of functions calling each other or are writing recursive code, there is a linker option to increase the size of the stack. The default size is small. I usually use stack=4096 on my mTCP apps to increase the size to something more reasonable for my code. You can figure out the correct value for your code by trial and error or by doing a careful analysis of your code. Mike -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Another possible ambiguity of target; a drive part not acceptable to the installer.
Hi, On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: On 2012-12-19 10:37 (GMT-0800) peasth...@shaw.ca composed: From: Rugxulo FDISK creates at least one partition (primary, active, FAT, presumably bootable) for DOS. (This is written into the partition table, ... OK. If it damages the table in the process, there will be a problem accessing data on parts 2, 3 or 4. Exactly what I wish to avoid. Why do you think a partitioning tool would damage a table? No FDISK I've ever used will ignore existing partitions. To alter existing partitions requires you to direct it delete first, then create anew. To create new from freespace does not require it do anything to what's already there. The installer will install to existing without need to change any table entries with FDISK, so you're safe to complete partitioning with any tool that suits you prior to beginning installation, as long as that tool conforms to common conventions. If really worried, you can backup your MBR before hand (preferably to bootable floppy or similar). You can use BTTR's BOOTMGR for this. And even if your partition table was corrupted somehow, you could maybe use TestDisk to recover it for you. Anyways, it's probably best to create partition (FDISK) and format it at the same time so there is no confusing. But you have to reboot after using FDISK for the changes to take effect. Yes, it's a bit dicey when multibooting, but that's unavoidable. -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Re (2): Another possible ambiguity of target; a drive part not acceptable to the installer.
Op 19-12-2012 19:37, peasth...@shaw.ca schreef: The FreeDOS 1.1 Base CD offers to apply fdisk; but you recommend not using it? An installer which should not be used? The FDISK of any DOS has always been very limited, mimicking Microsoft's installation procedure (I'm the only operating system, overwrite any previous code). For a blank harddisk FDISK will do just fine. ... make sure the partition (drive) ... There's that ambiguity again. Do you mean hard disk drive as in /dev/sda or part of a drive as in /dev/sda1, /dev/sda2 and etc. 'Drive' is a typical DOS terminology, meaning partition/volume, thus sda1 etc. It's used as 'Drive C:'. Basically referring to everything which has a driveletter assigned (floppy, harddisk, cdrom, network shares, etc). More advanced operating systems have improved partitioning tools that also take multiple operating systems into consideration and allow to setup multibooting by installing a bootmanager or including previous operating systems to their own bootloader. Bernd -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Stack overflow
Michael: Where can I find the default size for the watcom stack? If you use stack=4096, it means the default stack size might be much smaller than the 16384 I am using. Santiago On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Michael B. Brutman mbbrut...@brutman.comwrote: First, the good news - Watcom includes code at the start and end of each function to detect stack overflows. It is a lot easier to debug code when you know what the root cause of the problem is. If the stack overflow were to happen and remain silent, you could have all sorts of strange behavior. - Don't allocate large structures on the stack. That is the first problem. 8KB for a stack object is pretty large. Use malloc or other dynamic memory allocation instead. - If you need a large stack because you have lots of functions calling each other or are writing recursive code, there is a linker option to increase the size of the stack. The default size is small. I usually use stack=4096 on my mTCP apps to increase the size to something more reasonable for my code. You can figure out the correct value for your code by trial and error or by doing a careful analysis of your code. Mike -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Re (2): Another possible ambiguity of target; a drive part not acceptable to the installer.
Hi, On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 12:37 PM, peasth...@shaw.ca wrote: From: Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 16:31:31 -0600 Do you also have a working floppy drive? Working CD drive? Both. I had hoped to use the CD made from file fd11src.iso to install FreeDOS. Isn't that the recommended procedure? Yes and no. Bernd was very insistent on having things automated as much as possible, and he worked very hard on it. But he didn't include every old DOS package in the universe, even compared to older 1.0. So it's not a super duper full install like some OSes (which give you lots of pre-built third-party stuff). Others of us (e.g. me) find it easier to manually install in minimal pieces than go the automated route. So if you know what you're doing or have specific needs, an automated installer may not be what you want (though it's certainly nice to have both options, IMO). FDISK creates at least one partition (primary, active, FAT, presumably bootable) for DOS. (This is written into the partition table, ... OK. If it damages the table in the process, there will be a problem accessing data on parts 2, 3 or 4. Exactly what I wish to avoid. Multibooting is so confusing for a billion reasons, not the least of which is that all OSes do things differently. As mentioned, you can always back up your MBR if you're worried. And there are tons of external tools for these kinds of things. If you're worried about any personal data, back it up to external drive (USB?) before installing / reconfiguring anything. Go back to Debian, or even better use GParted (if possible) or SPFdisk, ... The FreeDOS 1.1 Base CD offers to apply fdisk; but you recommend not using it? An installer which should not be used? FreeDOS traditionally comes with three fdisk tools. And plenty more exist out in the wild. FD FDISK is Brian Reifsnyder's classic-style version. Then there's XFDISK, written in Turbo Pascal (IIRC). And SPFdisk supports SATA disks and various other niceties. I think the latter two have custom boot sectors they can install (and/or boot monitors, I forget exactly, lots of options). ... make sure the partition (drive) ... There's that ambiguity again. Do you mean hard disk drive as in /dev/sda or part of a drive as in /dev/sda1, /dev/sda2 and etc. Ref. http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cups-horror.html I was trying to separate the distinction. Disk is the whole (presumably one) physical hard drive disk. Drive here is the primary FAT partition which DOS is installed and attempts to boots from. (I also vaguely recall auxiliary DOS FAT extended partitions being called logical drives.) -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Stack overflow
Hello list:
asking programming errors on a mailing list that is focused on
operating system development is considered BAD.
I am having Stack Overflow problems with this simple code under FreeDOS and
OpenWatcom:
#include stdio.h
char a[8192];
int main()
{
int i;
char b[8192];
for(i=0; i8192; i++) a[i]=b[i]=0;
return 0;
}
I keep getting stack overflow problems.
I know this code is very simple and meaningless, but it's an example of how
I am having stack overflow problems with static arrays of size 8192.
b is a dynamic array on the stack.
Excuse me if the mail is too off-topic, but I think the problem is
something to do with memory.
I won't excuse.
If you use stack=4096, it means the default stack size might be much
smaller than the 16384 I am using.
most likely you are not using 16384.
Tom
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Re: [Freedos-user] Stack overflow
Hi, On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Santiago Almenara almen...@gmail.com wrote: Where can I find the default size for the watcom stack? Dunno. I think it used to be 4 kb for 16-bit targets, but they may?? have increased it to 16 kb in the meantime. http://www.openwatcom.com/index.php/C_Compilers_Release_Changes That says 1.7 increased 32-bit stack from 4 kb to 64 kb by default. (But 16-bit stack is probably smaller for obvious reasons.) (Note that I vaguely remember the warning that any map file created won't reflect changes in stack and only reports default size.) If you use stack=4096, it means the default stack size might be much smaller than the 16384 I am using. Don't put big arrays on the stack. As mentioned, dynamically allocate them from the heap via malloc or similar. Or statically declare them global, but ;-) BTW, stack= is a WLINK option. I think you can also change it at compile time with -k switch. (Not sure if there is any functional difference here, doubt it, just mentioning for completeness.) -kstack_size set stack size -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] freedos-98
Hi, On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 10:14 PM, Michael Robinson plu...@robinson-west.com wrote: So yes, if I can run hxrt on top of freedos and come up with some sort of packet driver for the PCI Realtek network card... that will be legal and I won't have to worry about how many computers I'm setting up to play Warcraft II. No idea if Warcraft II actually runs under HX. It may not, and that wouldn't be a huge shock. Sad but true. Go back to Warcraft 1 (or similar game, search Gog.com), which actually ran on real DOS. But as far as Realtek goes, here's two packet drivers, not sure which one you need (or other), but give 'em a try: http://www.georgpotthast.de/sioux/packet.htm Honestly, though, I'm not too savvy with Wattcp, you may have to set WATTCP=wattcp.cfg and change it to my_ip = dhcp or such. (mTCP is easier to use, IMHO, but that's separate from HX.) But thinking of all the crap that Windows games need, it's unlike to work (well, if at all) under HXGUI, even if you did manage to find all the proprietary .DLLs you need. Not trying to smash your dreams, just saying, almost nobody ever had the foresight with such old games to make them portable. A 98 clone or ReactOS stabilized is definitely needed for these old games. DOS is a good choice on aging computers where anything that operates at speeds below a gigaherz is an antique already, except for embedded processors. I am against abandoning or throwing out working hardware just because it's not the latest fad anymore. But most people want to chase newer tech than support older stuff. If it's old, it's automatically bad, but new is somehow perfect (but only for a few months!). -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Stack overflow
At 12:58 PM 12/20/2012, Louis Santillan wrote: The Memory Model (Tiny vs. Small vs. Compact vs. Medium vs. Large, .COM vs. .EXE) of the compiler could be causing the issue. Some compilers used to default to Small. What compiler flags are you using? Even in the TINY model, there is no reason to get a stack overflow, if the compiler indeed is not artificially limiting the stack size. The sample program is using 8KB static data, 8KB+some slack for stack and likely 2KB of code, as there is no output like printf. All well below of the limit of 64KB. SMALL and MEDIUM memory models only have static data and stack in the same segment and separate 64KB for code, while COMPACT, LARGE and HUGE (Borland only) even have their own 64KB stack segment... This should compile and run, regardless of the memory model... Ralf -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Stack overflow
On 12/20/2012 2:41 PM, Tom Ehlert wrote: asking programming errors on a mailing list that is focused on operating system development is considered BAD. I don't think we have enough developers (OS or application) or enough list traffic where we can afford to be picky ... Mike -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Stack overflow
On 12/20/2012 3:11 PM, Ralf A. Quint wrote: At 12:58 PM 12/20/2012, Louis Santillan wrote: The Memory Model (Tiny vs. Small vs. Compact vs. Medium vs. Large, .COM vs. .EXE) of the compiler could be causing the issue. Some compilers used to default to Small. What compiler flags are you using? Even in the TINY model, there is no reason to get a stack overflow, if the compiler indeed is not artificially limiting the stack size. The sample program is using 8KB static data, 8KB+some slack for stack and likely 2KB of code, as there is no output like printf. All well below of the limit of 64KB. SMALL and MEDIUM memory models only have static data and stack in the same segment and separate 64KB for code, while COMPACT, LARGE and HUGE (Borland only) even have their own 64KB stack segment... This should compile and run, regardless of the memory model... Ralf Ah, but the compiler probably is creating some boundaries based on having to fit static variables, code, near heap and stack all in the same segment. This is a simple problem to fix. The Watcom linker guide has a discussion of the STACK= option. You can create a map file and look at it to see what the default is for your particular memory model. (They wisely did not publish the defaults, as they might change from release to release.) Mike -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Stack overflow
At 12:58 PM 12/20/2012, Louis Santillan wrote: The Memory Model (Tiny vs. Small vs. Compact vs. Medium vs. Large, .COM vs. .EXE) of the compiler could be causing the issue. Some compilers used to default to Small. What compiler flags are you using? Even in the TINY model, there is no reason to get a stack overflow, if the compiler indeed is not artificially limiting the stack size. there's a very good reason to limit stack size. most compilers use a memory setup like static initialized data( hello world ) static uninitialized data( a[8000] ) stack (usually 1-4 K unless specified different) heap( to be used by malloc()) stack is initialized either by the linker (the .EXE format has a filed for SS:SP), or early during RTL initialization. The sample program is using 8KB static data, 8KB+some slack for stack and likely 2KB of code, as there is no output like printf. All well below of the limit of 64KB. sure. just linkit with stacksize of 9K SMALL and MEDIUM memory models only have static data and stack in the same segment and separate 64KB for code, while COMPACT, LARGE and HUGE (Borland only) even have their own 64KB stack segment... This should compile and run, regardless of the memory model... no. Tom -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Stack overflow
asking programming errors on a mailing list that is focused on operating system development is considered BAD. I don't think we have enough developers (OS or application) or enough list traffic where we can afford to be picky ... this is stillnot the 'programming for dummies' mailing list. https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!forum/comp.os.msdos.programmer might be better suited Tom -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Re (2): Another possible ambiguity of target; a drive part not acceptable to the installer.
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 10:22 AM, peasth...@shaw.ca wrote: From: Jim Hall jh...@freedos.org Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 06:55:23 -0600 It wants to run the FORMAT command, which operates on one partition to lay down a DOS file system. If you want to be really safe you can run mkdosfs from Debian to put a DOS file system on that partition, then boot the FreeDOS installer again. Thanks. It appeared to install to the first part of a CF card OK, although the system fails to boot from it. I must have missed something at the end of the installation process. It may be obvious, but you should also check that your BIOS supports booting from CF cards. -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Stack overflow
Static/global variables are allocated from the heap. Dynamic variables (like the b array in your code) are pushed on the stack. Either use compiler directives to increase stack space or make both arrays static. This is not a FreeDOS problem and should not have been posted to this list. Bruce -- Sent from my meager, humble desktop computer. -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Re (2): Re (2): Another possible ambiguity of target; a drive part not acceptable to the installer.
From: Bernd Blaauw bbla...@home.nl Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 21:28:55 +0100 'Drive' is a typical DOS terminology, meaning partition/volume, thus sda1 etc. It's used as 'Drive C:'. Basically referring to everything which has a driveletter assigned (floppy, harddisk, cdrom, network shares, etc). Well that was OK when diskettes were the only rotating media. Usually a diskette wasn't partitioned. Part and volume were synonymous. Where a hard disk drive is involved, drive should mean hard disk drive and part should mean part of a hard disk drive. When software says it will format the drive I want to be sure it doesn't mean format the whole hard disk drive. Unambiguous terminology really does help. I had hoped to run FreeDOS on the OLPC XO-1.5 but it is no simple problem. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Talk:Our_software Regards,... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +13606390202 Bcc: peasthope at shaw.ca http://carnot.yi.org/ http://members.shaw.ca/peasthope/index.html#Itinerary -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Re (5): Another possible ambiguity of target;
From: Jim Hall jh...@freedos.org Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 17:17:26 -0600 It may be obvious, but you should also check that your BIOS supports booting from CF cards. Just tried to boot an older FreeDOS installed years ago on another CF card. It appears OK until this. Bad or missing Command Interpreter Enter the full shell command line: command.com /P /E:256 Seems hopeful ... if configured correctly or a command.com is added. Can the current installation process using the CD set these things? Human intervention required? Thanks, ... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +13606390202 Bcc: peasthope at shaw.ca http://carnot.yi.org/ http://members.shaw.ca/peasthope/index.html#Itinerary -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] freedos-98
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 15:58:34 -0500, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 10:14 PM, Michael Robinson plu...@robinson-west.com wrote: So yes, if I can run hxrt on top of freedos and come up with some sort of packet driver for the PCI Realtek network card... that will be legal and I won't have to worry about how many computers I'm setting up to play Warcraft II. No idea if Warcraft II actually runs under HX. It may not, and that wouldn't be a huge shock. Sad but true. Go back to Warcraft 1 (or similar game, search Gog.com), which actually ran on real DOS. There may have been a Windows-specific version of Warcraft II released at some point? But the Warcraft II that I`m familiar with did run under plain DOS (well... with DOS4GW). Only the included map editor needed Windows (3.1 or higher) to run. And I played LAN games under DOS by setting up an IPX network. Check the device driver archive for the ethernet card for: a setup program (for configuring IRQ and I/O address, not all cards come with one), LSL.COM, NET.CFG, and a driver (often called IPXODI). *snip* I am against abandoning or throwing out working hardware just because it's not the latest fad anymore. But most people want to chase newer tech than support older stuff. If it's old, it's automatically bad, but new is somehow perfect (but only for a few months!). This is my feeling as well. The implications of buy our new version! because our old version was crap! seem to be lost on most. -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Windows 98SE and ipxwrapper...
Windows 98 sort of running on top of a DOS system doesn't work with ipxwrapper-0.4.0. There is an error that iplphapi.dll can't be found or something similar. Turns out, this DLL probably doesn't show up till Windows 2000. So the thought of using Windows 98 boxes and Windows 7 boxes together goes out the Window. A game that was originally run from the DOS command line if I'm not mistaken can't be run from Windows 98SE when Windows 7 is the master server. Yikes! Hmm, I guess I could run 2000 instead even though the computer is only a K6-2 500 and I'd probably have to search for SIS 530 W2K video drivers. Don't have a legal 2nd copy of 2000, but there doesn't seem to be a legal way to solve this. There are a lot of games that aren't DOS games and aren't NT games. Windows 98 in my opinion is a sort of aberration, Microsoft should have skipped Windows 9x in favor of bringing everyone into an NT environment sooner. I'm sure there is a dos driver for my Realtek 8139 10/100 network card. But ipxwrapper is intended for NT and HX probably won't run Warcraft II. I'd love something legal that isn't the full blown Windows 98SE to run games like Warcraft II and Diablo II that are in that transitional period. I just hope that the ReactOS developers get something stable put together soon. I have a Windows XP Home upgrade kit, it is in use though. I'm worried that XP won't even run on this old machine, but I guess stripped down I can get away with it. Sadly, XP phones home so Microsoft will know that I'm running it illegally. What is needed is a protected mode DOS like Windows 98SE, but much lighter, that can run directx 6 or so and do the ipxwrapper trick. -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Windows 98SE and ipxwrapper...
On 2012-12-20 21:32 (GMT-0800) Michael Robinson composed: I'd probably have to search for SIS 530 W2K video drivers. Asus P5S-B motherboards had the 530 chip on the board. Maybe Asus still has those ancient drivers for download. I have the driver CD for it here somewhere, but it would be older than W2K. If you can't find it let me know. Maybe it has an NT driver that would work. -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Windows 98SE and ipxwrapper...
On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 00:32:18 -0500, Michael Robinson plu...@robinson-west.com wrote: Windows 98 sort of running on top of a DOS system doesn't work with ipxwrapper-0.4.0. There is an error that iplphapi.dll can't be found or something similar. Why do you need an ipx wrapper on win98? You can install the IPX protocol natively under the network control panel and DOS programs running within Windows will be able to use it. Hmm, I guess I could run 2000 instead even though the computer is only a K6-2 500 and I'd probably have to search for SIS 530 W2K video drivers. If SIS 530 has a VESA 2.0 BIOS you could try the VBEMP universal driver. *snip* I'm sure there is a dos driver for my Realtek 8139 10/100 network card. This is quite likely. RTL8139 has drivers for everything. Even NT 3.51. Even Amiga. -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Windows 98SE and ipxwrapper...
Quoting TJ Edmister damag...@hyakushiki.net: On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 00:32:18 -0500, Michael Robinson plu...@robinson-west.com wrote: Windows 98 sort of running on top of a DOS system doesn't work with ipxwrapper-0.4.0. There is an error that iplphapi.dll can't be found or something similar. Why do you need an ipx wrapper on win98? You can install the IPX protocol natively under the network control panel and DOS programs running within Windows will be able to use it. Well, if I use IPX wrapper I'm no longer using standard IPX networking, I am tunneling via UDP. The Windows 98 client understandably can't find an IPX network because strictly speaking there isn't one. This is why you have to use IPX wrapper under Windows XP even though XP has native IPX support. There is really only a problem when Windows 7 is introduced. A better workaround would be an open source IPX/SPX implementation that works on all versions of Windows up to 8. -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
