[Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist
Hi all, Yesterday a post on the freedos devel list gave birth to a 'wishlist' of things that would be needed in FreeDOS. I repost this list here, since I am curious what other DOS users think. If you see something missing, that is both within a reasonable technical scope and represents a tangible real-case need, please tell. If there's feedback, I will compile a clean list and post it somewhere on the FreeDOS wiki, so that would be a nice place to send anyone that asks 'how could I contribute'. Here's the list: Creating packages: - Cyclicly making sure all we have packaged so far is still up to date - Creating packages for (free) DOS sofware that is not packaged yet - Porting existing non-DOS software to DOS - Nagging old shareware authors to open their ancient source code to the community Developing user tools: - A http(s) browser that works with today's web pages (CSS3, HTML5, JS...) - Picture viewer/converter, like SEA DOS Viewer - Extend one of the existing network stacks with full IPv6 support - Create a FreeDOS installer that could be used on FreeDOS v1.2 - Interconnectivity tools (ie. 'how to transfer files between a FreeDOS box and another PC, for example MSDOS had interlnk) - maybe a NFS browser, or even just a free equivalent of the old LapLink tool (there's File Maven of course, but it's not free) Developing low-level drivers: - Drivers for modern, unsupported hardware (mostly Sound and networking) - support for GPT partitions within the FreeDOS kernel and associated tools (format, fdisk, chkdsk...) - for sound, a new API based on the VESA sound standard could be nice for new apps - Wider/better/easier USB support - Implementing something better than FAT32 in the FreeDOS kernel, that supports journalling (ext3?) Mateusz -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist
Hi, sorry if this has been mentioned. I would love to have native networking so one can run wireless and or Ethernet cards. I do understand some support exists, but last thread indicated that it is a bit dated. would personally let me put freedos on a laptop for road use without compromising my main dos computer setup. Karen On Sat, 16 May 2015, Bret Johnson wrote: As an extension to the GPT item, I would like to see both the kernel and utilities support sector sizes other than 512 bytes (at least up to 4k, anyway, which is the standard for new hard drive technologies). This would also help with CD/DVD support, which use a 2k sector size. It is relatively common, e.g., to format DVD-RAM's as FAT32 (with a 2k sector size), even though DVD-RAM's aren't all that popular these days. High School Yearbooks View Class Yearbooks Online Free. Reminisce Buy a Reprint Today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/55578bad95e94bad5f53st02vuc -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] MMD library
Headers added. The compiler is OpenWatcom and it is protected mode. On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 8:30 PM, Mateusz Viste mate...@viste.fr wrote: Not to complain, but it's hard to understand what this do exactly, and how one's supposed to use it. What compiler is it targetted to? Protected mode or real mode? If real mode, what memory model? What kind of files does this play? There is no include headers provided even, so it's impossible to guess the functions prototypes. Also, being a closed-source DOS library in 2015 makes it very unlikely to be used by anyone. It's nice you try to do stuff of course, but as it is now, I fear the library is unusable. regards, Mateusz On 16/05/2015 18:44, Micheal Muniko wrote: I'm releasing a new library. It is called MMD which stands for Michael's Music Driver. It is free for non-commercial use. Download it here: https://www.mediafire.com/?0ff7gxhwfw6xuvw -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] MMD library
I'm releasing a new library. It is called MMD which stands for Michael's Music Driver. It is free for non-commercial use. Download it here: https://www.mediafire.com/?0ff7gxhwfw6xuvw -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist
On 16/05/2015 21:12, Karen Lewellen wrote: I would love to have native networking so one can run wireless and or Ethernet cards. I do understand some support exists, but last thread indicated that it is a bit dated. Hi Karen, I'm not sure I understand what you are meaning exactly by 'native' networking. Netwoking in DOS is relying on a packet driver, and then it's only a matter of having the right application to do the job. Of course it implies you have a packet driver for the specific network card. IIRC, there's very little packet driver support for wifi cards (and probably not at all when considering anything else than 802.11 B). Personally I use a cheap $10 access point that provides me with a wifi-ethernet connectivity for my DOS machine. Anyway, could you please provide more intel on what you are having troubles exactly? cheers, Mateusz -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist
As an extension to the GPT item, I would like to see both the kernel and utilities support sector sizes other than 512 bytes (at least up to 4k, anyway, which is the standard for new hard drive technologies). This would also help with CD/DVD support, which use a 2k sector size. It is relatively common, e.g., to format DVD-RAM's as FAT32 (with a 2k sector size), even though DVD-RAM's aren't all that popular these days. High School Yearbooks View Class Yearbooks Online Free. Reminisce Buy a Reprint Today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/55578bad95e94bad5f53st02vuc-- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Any open-source DOS picture viewers out there?
I've been working on a program which can load BMP/JPG, and optionally apply various color adjustment/reduction and scaling. It's mainly for my own use, but if there is interest I could release it under a specific license. It is written in FreeBASIC (with some inline assembly), and hence can be compiled for DOS and run with at least 486+VGA. http://www.hyakushiki.net/misc/imgtoolb.zip On a semi-related note, my 3D model editor (which shares some code) can run in DOS: http://www.hyakushiki.net/3d/mbfast.zip On Thu, 14 May 2015 01:05:37 -0400, Mateusz Viste mate...@viste.fr wrote: Hello list, I was browsing the FreeDOS list of packages and I noticed that we have no picture viewer. I know lots of picture viewers for DOS (my favorite being by far the excellent SEA DOS Viewer), but none of these I know is open. It's really sad to see so many fine softwares going to waste because of closed sources. Anyone know about a free (NOT freeware) DOS picture viewer ? Blocek can be used as a basic picture viewer, but it is much more focused on being a text editor (as it should be), not really a picture viewer. Mateusz -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] MMD library
Not to complain, but it's hard to understand what this do exactly, and how one's supposed to use it. What compiler is it targetted to? Protected mode or real mode? If real mode, what memory model? What kind of files does this play? There is no include headers provided even, so it's impossible to guess the functions prototypes. Also, being a closed-source DOS library in 2015 makes it very unlikely to be used by anyone. It's nice you try to do stuff of course, but as it is now, I fear the library is unusable. regards, Mateusz On 16/05/2015 18:44, Micheal Muniko wrote: I'm releasing a new library. It is called MMD which stands for Michael's Music Driver. It is free for non-commercial use. Download it here: https://www.mediafire.com/?0ff7gxhwfw6xuvw -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist
On 16/05/2015 20:24, Bret Johnson wrote: As an extension to the GPT item, I would like to see both the kernel and utilities support sector sizes other than 512 bytes (at least up to 4k, anyway, which is the standard for new hard drive technologies). This would also help with CD/DVD support, which use a 2k sector size. It is relatively common, e.g., to format DVD-RAM's as FAT32 (with a 2k sector size), even though DVD-RAM's aren't all that popular these days. Noted, thanks! I added it to the list and created a short artical on the wiki: http://www.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/%28Free%29DOS_development_wishlist Should any other things pop up on the list, I will keep adding them. Mateusz -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist
Hi, clearly mixing terms, distracted when i wrote..anniversary of my dad's death today. I was thinking of two separate features. Native networking allows the use of USB drives and the like without drivers for them. I have this working fine in ms dos using a USB driver I shared here. still it would be nice to have it more solidly built in. As for the wireless idea, I do not need many options, just one, with 802-11 B working fine by me. I do not want to take access points around with me, I do not have a smart phone at all. Just the driver the card and the ability to take my dos laptop into the sort of settings I know still support that level of connection. Enough for me to want the option if it can be found. Hope that is more clear. I respect how you choose to do things, I choose to do this differently and at a different speed lol. Karen On Sat, 16 May 2015, Mateusz Viste wrote: On 16/05/2015 21:12, Karen Lewellen wrote: I would love to have native networking so one can run wireless and or Ethernet cards. I do understand some support exists, but last thread indicated that it is a bit dated. Hi Karen, I'm not sure I understand what you are meaning exactly by 'native' networking. Netwoking in DOS is relying on a packet driver, and then it's only a matter of having the right application to do the job. Of course it implies you have a packet driver for the specific network card. IIRC, there's very little packet driver support for wifi cards (and probably not at all when considering anything else than 802.11 B). Personally I use a cheap $10 access point that provides me with a wifi-ethernet connectivity for my DOS machine. Anyway, could you please provide more intel on what you are having troubles exactly? cheers, Mateusz -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist
that´s nice 2015-05-17 5:25 GMT+02:00, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net: Hi, clearly mixing terms, distracted when i wrote..anniversary of my dad's death today. I was thinking of two separate features. Native networking allows the use of USB drives and the like without drivers for them. I have this working fine in ms dos using a USB driver I shared here. still it would be nice to have it more solidly built in. As for the wireless idea, I do not need many options, just one, with 802-11 B working fine by me. I do not want to take access points around with me, I do not have a smart phone at all. Just the driver the card and the ability to take my dos laptop into the sort of settings I know still support that level of connection. Enough for me to want the option if it can be found. Hope that is more clear. I respect how you choose to do things, I choose to do this differently and at a different speed lol. Karen On Sat, 16 May 2015, Mateusz Viste wrote: On 16/05/2015 21:12, Karen Lewellen wrote: I would love to have native networking so one can run wireless and or Ethernet cards. I do understand some support exists, but last thread indicated that it is a bit dated. Hi Karen, I'm not sure I understand what you are meaning exactly by 'native' networking. Netwoking in DOS is relying on a packet driver, and then it's only a matter of having the right application to do the job. Of course it implies you have a packet driver for the specific network card. IIRC, there's very little packet driver support for wifi cards (and probably not at all when considering anything else than 802.11 B). Personally I use a cheap $10 access point that provides me with a wifi-ethernet connectivity for my DOS machine. Anyway, could you please provide more intel on what you are having troubles exactly? cheers, Mateusz -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist
YES that´s corect (-: 2015-05-17 6:29 GMT+02:00, Dario Roncone darioronco...@gmail.com: that´s nice 2015-05-17 5:25 GMT+02:00, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net: Hi, clearly mixing terms, distracted when i wrote..anniversary of my dad's death today. I was thinking of two separate features. Native networking allows the use of USB drives and the like without drivers for them. I have this working fine in ms dos using a USB driver I shared here. still it would be nice to have it more solidly built in. As for the wireless idea, I do not need many options, just one, with 802-11 B working fine by me. I do not want to take access points around with me, I do not have a smart phone at all. Just the driver the card and the ability to take my dos laptop into the sort of settings I know still support that level of connection. Enough for me to want the option if it can be found. Hope that is more clear. I respect how you choose to do things, I choose to do this differently and at a different speed lol. Karen On Sat, 16 May 2015, Mateusz Viste wrote: On 16/05/2015 21:12, Karen Lewellen wrote: I would love to have native networking so one can run wireless and or Ethernet cards. I do understand some support exists, but last thread indicated that it is a bit dated. Hi Karen, I'm not sure I understand what you are meaning exactly by 'native' networking. Netwoking in DOS is relying on a packet driver, and then it's only a matter of having the right application to do the job. Of course it implies you have a packet driver for the specific network card. IIRC, there's very little packet driver support for wifi cards (and probably not at all when considering anything else than 802.11 B). Personally I use a cheap $10 access point that provides me with a wifi-ethernet connectivity for my DOS machine. Anyway, could you please provide more intel on what you are having troubles exactly? cheers, Mateusz -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS wishlist
There is a Extended CommandShellExtension For DOS, Windows Novelll.It´´s called 4DOS.com ? It can be usefull. (batchFiles.. 2015-05-17 6:38 GMT+02:00, Dario Roncone darioronco...@gmail.com: YES that´s corect (-: 2015-05-17 6:29 GMT+02:00, Dario Roncone darioronco...@gmail.com: that´s nice 2015-05-17 5:25 GMT+02:00, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net: Hi, clearly mixing terms, distracted when i wrote..anniversary of my dad's death today. I was thinking of two separate features. Native networking allows the use of USB drives and the like without drivers for them. I have this working fine in ms dos using a USB driver I shared here. still it would be nice to have it more solidly built in. As for the wireless idea, I do not need many options, just one, with 802-11 B working fine by me. I do not want to take access points around with me, I do not have a smart phone at all. Just the driver the card and the ability to take my dos laptop into the sort of settings I know still support that level of connection. Enough for me to want the option if it can be found. Hope that is more clear. I respect how you choose to do things, I choose to do this differently and at a different speed lol. Karen On Sat, 16 May 2015, Mateusz Viste wrote: On 16/05/2015 21:12, Karen Lewellen wrote: I would love to have native networking so one can run wireless and or Ethernet cards. I do understand some support exists, but last thread indicated that it is a bit dated. Hi Karen, I'm not sure I understand what you are meaning exactly by 'native' networking. Netwoking in DOS is relying on a packet driver, and then it's only a matter of having the right application to do the job. Of course it implies you have a packet driver for the specific network card. IIRC, there's very little packet driver support for wifi cards (and probably not at all when considering anything else than 802.11 B). Personally I use a cheap $10 access point that provides me with a wifi-ethernet connectivity for my DOS machine. Anyway, could you please provide more intel on what you are having troubles exactly? cheers, Mateusz -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] freedos cdrom
OK, thanks Eric, I'll look at staying the course with uide. On 5/16/2015 7:38 PM, Eric Auer wrote: Hi John, xcdrom is quite old, there have been plenty of uide updates... http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/ellis/ Eric -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] For CD: Error reading from drive D: data area: drive not ready
Hi, all. It's been some years since I've been active on this list, but I hope you can come through for me again now. I installed 1.1 from the bootable CD, but from the installed DOS, I can't access a CD-ROM. I get Error reading from drive D: data area: drive not ready. I found this for VirtualBox: http://www.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/VirtualBox_-_Chapter_12#Known_Bugs:_6._CD_changes_are_not_detected For real hardware, is the XCDROM workaround the best solution? -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
