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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.3 RC2...
Hi :-) Rugxulo: what are the pros and cons of Links2, Dillo, Dillo Plus? > DOSLFN [TSR] is probably your best bet (although there are other > alternatives). But LFNs don't work by default (except for DJGPP > stuff), so not everything supports it. Michael and others: For which tools would you like to have support? I think DIR with LFN already is nice, as are some other FreeCOM functions. Not sure about ZIP / UNZIP. Imagine some old game, would it make a difference whether you can say (the game does not really exist) bunnyhop "c:\forest level\" or whether you are forced to either give the level directory a short file name or run the game as bunnyhop c:\fores~1\ instead? I could imagine some TSR automatically handling cases like the latter by having a list what understands LFN and what not and translating options for the latter. >> If all the filesystem tools work with Fat32, >> that would be a massive improvement. Which filesystem tools do you have in mind? And which ones do not yet support FAT32? About the graphics: VGA BIOS often only offers 4:3 VESA modes, but a graphical browser should at least support those. And maybe some BIOS tuning TSR could be used to add higher resolution modes. Such TSR already exist, but I am not informed whether any of them like newer cards. > If VESA 2.0 supports it, it could be done. Try SVGAtextmode > (carefully), at least for text, and see what happens. Actually even MODE has some very limited support for some more safe higher resolution text modes. More exotic tricks are deliberately left to other tools. When things fail, you always have that reset button to reach out for ;-) Or if none exists, the three-second-power-button-press. Eric ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.3 RC2...
Hi, On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 6:44 AM wrote: > > I found a free packet driver and I'm testing both gopherus and Dillo. Very > nice programs. FreeDOS includes some others, but I forget the full list. There's quite a lot out there in the wild (maybe too much for us few volunteers!). If only * http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.2/repos/pkg-html/group-net.html That Curl is hopelessly outdated, and I haven't found a copy of newest yet (Mik's server is always down). I did privately mirror 7.64, though, need to vet it one of these days (too much to do): * https://sites.google.com/site/rugxulo/curlexe.zip?attredirects=0 Here's Curl 7.64 and Wget (I forget what version, but it's newer than FD package), with full sources (20 MB??): * https://sites.google.com/site/rugxulo/curlwget.zip?attredirects=0 You know, Curl officially points to Mik's server (dunno why, it's always down)! We should really host it on iBiblio for FreeDOS, but I've not struggled to rebuild it for us because it's probably a pain in the neck (like most things). I almost need to assist Jim in a blog or two to show exactly the hurdles we have to jump through just to support such things. (No, I've not emailed them, nor joined their Curl mailing lists. Also, news://comp.os.msdos.djgpp is usually fairly low volume, they're too busy with other things. Sorry, it's just harder than it sounds to rebuild stuff, even when it shouldn't be.) * https://curl.haxx.se/download.html "DOS 7.68.0 binary Michael Kostylev" * http://mik.dyndns.pro/dos-stuff/bin/ I recommend Links2 over Dillo (hmmm, even there we only have a 2.19 "package" while 2.20 is latest DJGPP binary): * http://links.twibright.com/download/binaries/dos/ > Would be nice to be able to raise the resolution for Dillo. I think I'm > limited to 640x480 vga. > > Dillo doesn't seem to work with my rainloop server ;-( That is Georg's port of Dillo, right? * https://sourceforge.net/projects/fltk-dos/files/Applications/Binary%20versions%20of%20FLTK%20applications/ * https://code.google.com/archive/p/nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos/downloads Not Dillo-Plus? Even though they shared some code?? Dillo-Plus is probably too old, but maybe you could try that, too: * http://www.bttr-software.de/forum/board_entry.php?id=13346#p13346 * http://dplus-browser.sourceforge.net/ > I don't think long file names are supported out of the box, which would be > nice to have since many Fat32 volumes are created under Windows > and other systems and they have long filenames. Recall that the support is > spotty at best historically. DOSLFN [TSR] is probably your best bet (although there are other alternatives). But LFNs don't work by default (except for DJGPP stuff), so not everything supports it. If you meant native kernel support, we all wish, but that's too much for too few volunteers. Maybe "one day"! > If all the filesystem tools work with Fat32, that would be a massive > improvement. That's a different ball of wax and not a quick fix. Some tools work (e.g. DOSFSCK for FAT32/LFN) but others still don't. We don't have a lot of developers or volunteers. > My graphics card on the EVOC is an Intel Extreme and is capable of driving my > screen to 1920x1080 resolution. > This resolution isn't a dos era resolution for certain, but it would be nice > to be able to run at the higher resolution. If VESA 2.0 supports it, it could be done. Try SVGAtextmode (carefully), at least for text, and see what happens. > I want to test Freedos as a replacement for MSDOS 6.22 in an embedded system. > For two reasons I want to do this: > 1) Freedos is not encumbered by licensing restrictions like MS-DOS is. The whole point of FD is to be "free/libre" (as much as possible), but some people are (too) stubborn or just too busy, so we're only partially there. I'm no engineer, so my skills are limited. Still, I try (it's fun). :-) > 2) Freedos is actively supported and works better on modern hardware than > MS-DOS. "Active" might be a stretch, but some people are still diligent in fixing things. "Modern" is an even bigger stretch. FreeDOS does no miracles, but some few things barely work. (Not trying to be pessimistic, it's just ultra complicated. I heavily appreciate FreeDOS for what it does. I wish I could do more, but even when I know what to do, some things are just extremely tedious and time-consuming. "Modern??? Just use Linux [DOSEMU2 + FreeDOS]!!") ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.3 RC2...
Hi, On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 7:41 AM Eric Auer wrote: > > > One request, MS-DOS 6.22 has a tool called MSD. I like that the tool > > shows resources and memory and other useful debugging information. > > If someone can clone that clone that tool I'd be very appreciative. > > https://www.uwe-sieber.de/util.html recommends "informer" and "nssi" I don't know if it's been updated lately, but for vintage computers, NSSI (2010?) is pretty good. * https://www.navsoft.cz/products.htm * https://www.sac.sk/download/utildiag/nssi060.zip (Man, have we jumped the shark in modern computers! Everything is way overcomplicated! But it's a great time to be alive in tech.) ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos 1.3 RC2...
Hi Michael, > One request, MS-DOS 6.22 has a tool called MSD. I like that the tool > shows resources and memory and other useful debugging information. > If someone can clone that clone that tool I'd be very appreciative. I think MSD had very mixed features, which specifically do you want? Quarterdeck Manifest (MFT) is freeware now, I believe? How about HWiNFO for DOS? https://www.hwinfo.com/download/ https://www.uwe-sieber.de/util.html recommends "informer" and "nssi" Regards, Eric ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Freedos 1.3 RC2...
I found a free packet driver and I'm testing both gopherus and Dillo. Very nice programs. Would be nice to be able to raise the resolution for Dillo. I think I'm limited to 640x480 vga. Dillo doesn't seem to work with my rainloop server ;-( I can report that fdnpkg works though! I don't think long file names are supported out of the box, which would be nice to have since many Fat32 volumes are created under Windows and other systems and they have long filenames. Recall that the support is spotty at best historically. If all the filesystem tools work with Fat32, that would be a massive improvement. My graphics card on the EVOC is an Intel Extreme and is capable of driving my screen to 1920x1080 resolution. This resolution isn't a dos era resolution for certain, but it would be nice to be able to run at the higher resolution. I want to test Freedos as a replacement for MSDOS 6.22 in an embedded system. For two reasons I want to do this: 1) Freedos is not encumbered by licensing restrictions like MS-DOS is. 2) Freedos is actively supported and works better on modern hardware than MS-DOS. One request, MS-DOS 6.22 has a tool called MSD. I like that the tool shows resources and memory and other useful debugging information. If someone can clone that clone that tool I'd be very appreciative. ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
