Re: [Freedos-user] zip programs and pure DOS?
On 8/22/2020 7:17 PM, Thomas Mueller wrote: Random Leigh not-so-randomly responded: Unless you consider that a lot of the software included with FreeDOS is ported from Linux and Unix -and that Unix (and unix-work-alikes) programs have had dos ports going back to ..crimony, 1986 if not earlier? I notice a substantial amount of DOS applications are ported from Linux, a lot of BSD applications are ported from Linux. FreeDOS is intended to be compatible with MS-DOS, so applications that come from MS-DOS and Linux may be appropriate in discussions about FreeDOS. FreeDOS is not an isolated world. Tom In the old days (92, 93 or so), BSD programs were ported to Linux. In the really old days (86) BSD programs were ported to ...DOS. Am I mistaken, or are we (BSD aside) saying the same thing? -Random ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Bexome Endorsed By The FSF! Opportunity
I fully agree with you that it is useless to discuss the matter any further with the FSF. I just checked the FSF website and found their list of acceptable Linux distributions. For some reason I had made the assumption that the FSF went hand in hand with Linux, but mostly it doesn't. Most Linux distros do not meet their definition of free software. That, coupled with what you have encountered on behalf of FREEDOS, seems to lessen the relevance of the FSF. Al Whealton On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 6:56 PM Jim Hall wrote: > Thanks for the suggestion. I've had conversations with the FSF about > getting FreeDOS listed on their Free Non-GNU Distributions page. It's not > going to happen. > > The last time I discussed this with the FSF, the FSF Licensing rep > responded to say (paraphrasing) "But FreeDOS exists to prop up proprietary > DOS applications." > > I replied that there's no point in being a "Free DOS" if FreeDOS can't run > DOS programs. But the FSF's view seems to be that if FreeDOS aims to run > proprietary DOS programs, then FreeDOS is basically supporting/endorsing > proprietary software. They stopped responding to emails after that. > > Unfortunately, this is not the first time that's happened, so I've given > up trying to get FreeDOS listed on the FSF's page. > > Jim > > > > On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 5:19 PM haytam.fr--- via Freedos-user < > freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > >> Hey, >> I want to inform you about something kind of interesting , >> http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-non-gnu-distros.html visit this website >> , make sure the operating system FreeDOS does pass the guidelines , and >> send the email , Jim Hall the owner of the OS Should send the email there , >> if you don't know what am I talking about , just visit the website , >> Dear, >> Haytamfrh___ >> Freedos-user mailing list >> Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user >> > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] zip programs and pure DOS?
On 8/22/2020 2:41 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: > The idea that asking about msdos in a freedos forum and raising questions > about software suggested in a freedos distribution due to date might be > strange came from Jim. If asking about ms dos within freedos is odd, > giving Linux solutions to dos questions must be absolutely shameful. > Kare Random Leigh not-so-randomly responded: > Unless you consider that a lot of the software included with FreeDOS is ported > from Linux and Unix -and that Unix (and unix-work-alikes) programs have had > dos ports going back to ..crimony, 1986 if not earlier? > I'd suggest that shameful is in the eye of the beholder. ;) I notice a substantial amount of DOS applications are ported from Linux, a lot of BSD applications are ported from Linux. FreeDOS is intended to be compatible with MS-DOS, so applications that come from MS-DOS and Linux may be appropriate in discussions about FreeDOS. FreeDOS is not an isolated world. Tom ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] zip programs and pure DOS?
On 8/22/2020 2:41 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: The idea that asking about msdos in a freedos forum and raising questions about software suggested in a freedos distribution due to date might be strange came from Jim. If asking about ms dos within freedos is odd, giving Linux solutions to dos questions must be absolutely shameful. Kare Unless you consider that a lot of the software included with FreeDOS is ported from Linux and Unix -and that Unix (and unix-work-alikes) programs have had dos ports going back to ..crimony, 1986 if not earlier? I'd suggest that shameful is in the eye of the beholder. ;) ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Bexome Endorsed By The FSF! Opportunity
Thanks for the suggestion. I've had conversations with the FSF about getting FreeDOS listed on their Free Non-GNU Distributions page. It's not going to happen. The last time I discussed this with the FSF, the FSF Licensing rep responded to say (paraphrasing) "But FreeDOS exists to prop up proprietary DOS applications." I replied that there's no point in being a "Free DOS" if FreeDOS can't run DOS programs. But the FSF's view seems to be that if FreeDOS aims to run proprietary DOS programs, then FreeDOS is basically supporting/endorsing proprietary software. They stopped responding to emails after that. Unfortunately, this is not the first time that's happened, so I've given up trying to get FreeDOS listed on the FSF's page. Jim On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 5:19 PM haytam.fr--- via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > Hey, > I want to inform you about something kind of interesting , > http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-non-gnu-distros.html visit this website , > make sure the operating system FreeDOS does pass the guidelines , and send > the email , Jim Hall the owner of the OS Should send the email there , if > you don't know what am I talking about , just visit the website , > Dear, > Haytamfrh___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] zip programs and pure DOS?
The idea that asking about msdos in a freedos forum and raising questions about software suggested in a freedos distribution due to date might be strange came from Jim. If asking about ms dos within freedos is odd, giving Linux solutions to dos questions must be absolutely shameful. Kare On Sat, 22 Aug 2020, Random Liegh via Freedos-user wrote: On 8/22/2020 1:41 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: That's one reason why I am surprised at all the Linux solutions offered in this freedos forum. Yes -but really no. Many FreeDOS utilities (less, gzip) and compilers (eg DJGPP) are ports from Unix/Linux. For a pure DOS forum (which covers all of DOS, not just Free-) I'd suggest checking out http://www.bttr-software.de/forum/forum.php RE: Zip; info-zip has a website, and it doesn't seem like any work has been done on it since 09, unless there's an updated github repo somewhere... ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] zip programs and pure DOS?
Hi, From the little information OP provided, I'd guess that the issue might be rather related to missing LFN support - either in pkunzip or in her system, while the text files stored inside the zip archives may use long filenames or contain some unusual symbols (spaces...). Actually, speaking personally, I have always had long file name support. However, while the sub directory idea is an interesting one, that was not the problem. Nor does the file use names with extra spaces or strange characters..the person providing the file respects my needs, sharing some of them. I honestly am unsure why pkunzip triggered the error, because it created the subdirectories perfectly fine regardless. anyway the solution is found, with my now knowing it is wise to remind anyone suggesting Linux ideas or tools that this is a freedos list when that happens in future. Jim clearly prefers the focus be honored. Kare > Another possibility is that the zip files store subdirectories with a slash (/) instead of the legacy backslash symbol. InfoZip processes such entries gracefully, no idea about pkunzip. Mateusz ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] zip programs and pure DOS?
On 8/22/2020 1:41 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: That's one reason why I am surprised at all the Linux solutions offered in this freedos forum. Yes -but really no. Many FreeDOS utilities (less, gzip) and compilers (eg DJGPP) are ports from Unix/Linux. For a pure DOS forum (which covers all of DOS, not just Free-) I'd suggest checking out http://www.bttr-software.de/forum/forum.php RE: Zip; info-zip has a website, and it doesn't seem like any work has been done on it since 09, unless there's an updated github repo somewhere... ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Bexome Endorsed By The FSF! Opportunity
Hey, I want to inform you about something kind of interesting , http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-non-gnu-distros.html visit this website , make sure the operating system FreeDOS does pass the guidelines , and send the email , Jim Hall the owner of the OS Should send the email there , if you don't know what am I talking about , just visit the website , Dear, Haytamfrh___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] zip programs and pure DOS?
I will indeed run the pkware utility on my zip file. It is after all the first error in decades. I will also point out to those suggesting Linux solutions on a freedos forum the strangeness you hint at here. My search of the infozip site documentation indicated that those upgrades were for DOS. I already have the 7 zip program just rarely have reason to use it. Indeed pure dos is stable, a fine thing to be sure. Karen On Sat, 22 Aug 2020, Jim Hall wrote: As Dennis and Ralf have said, the versions for DOS of Zip and Unzip are current. That's the nice thing about DOS, the interface is stable. Sounds like what you need is the zipfix tool. I think PKware had pkzipfix? Check for that and run it. That tool will check for errors in your zip files. BTW, asking for MSDOS help on a FreeDOS forum, and then saying no to that help because the FreeDOS folks gave an answer for FreeDOS, is a rather strange thing. It's like asking Linus Torvalds what his favorite Windows program is. Jim On Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 10:47 PM Karen Lewellen wrote: sorry, let me correct my question. It appears that the edition of info zip's zip and unzip programs are not current, from 2008 and 2009, according to my google. Unfortunately sourceforge no longer lets you download from there without JavaScript, these days. So my goal is the most current edition, which does not seem to be what you provide at the freedos site? Karen On Fri, 21 Aug 2020, Jim Hall wrote: We use Infozip, and include that in the FreeDOS distribution. The zip files are compatible with PKZip (PKWare opened up the file spec so anyone could make compatible zip files.) Try unzipping your file using InfoUnzip and see if that will extract them correctly. Jim On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 6:18 PM Karen Lewellen greetings folks, as stated often, while I do not use freedos, I am a strict DOS user. By which I mean, not using an emulation, with only DOS on my machines. For well ever I have used the edition of pk zip et, al. from 1999, which I believe was the last dos edition created by that company. I have a large archive of all text files, and am getting errors, creating sub directories, stating the file name is incorrect, even though the latter is wrong. As a result, I am wondering if there is a different strictly for DOS program for managing compressed files? thanks for any ideas. Karen ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] zip programs and pure DOS?
What i was seeking, and found on my own, were copies of infozip that reflected their current editions of zip and unzip, from 2008 and 2009 respectively. Updates to their DOS programs created to incorporate greater file sharing and disk sizes. that pkware is 30 years old is irrelevant since infozip is not a pk product, just builds upon it. That my error using pkware editions of zip is the first I have encountered in more than those 30 years says allot for how solid, in a pure dos environment, the program still works. On Fri, 21 Aug 2020, Ralf Quint wrote: On 8/21/2020 8:45 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: sorry, let me correct my question. It appears that the edition of info zip's zip and unzip programs are not current, from 2008 and 2009, according to my google. Unfortunately sourceforge no longer lets you download from there without JavaScript, these days. So my goal is the most current edition, which does not seem to be what you provide at the freedos site? I am not sure what exactly you are looking for. PK(un)ZIP is now almost 30 years old. The exact algorithms used are made public for everyone to use 30 years ago. So why would there be anything more "current"? Specially considering "pure DOS", which is officially dead for +25 years... Ralf -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] zip programs and pure DOS?
That's one reason why I am surprised at all the Linux solutions offered in this freedos forum. On Sat, 22 Aug 2020, Ralf Quint wrote: On 8/21/2020 10:29 PM, Jim Hall wrote: BTW, asking for MSDOS help on a FreeDOS forum, and then saying no to that help because the FreeDOS folks gave an answer for FreeDOS, is a rather strange thing. It's like asking Linus Torvalds what his favorite Windows program is. +1 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] VDE editor and variety of other interesting tools
On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 11:39 AM ZB wrote: > > https://sites.google.com/site/vdeeditor/Home > > (see "Files Section") > > it seems it may be interesting to some I'm the person who created and maintains that site. VDE is a clone of the WordStar editor and uses the WordStar command set, VDE's home page had been on the Short Stop DOS software site created by Steve Adelewitz. Steve died of a heart attack and Short Stop went off the air suddenly. VDE also had a mailing list hosted on the Topica site. Topica changed its business model and mailing lists went away. In cooperation with VDE author Eric Meyer and List Mommy Ben Cohen, I migrated the mailing list to a Google Group, and in cooperation with Eric created a new VDE home page. VDE originated under CP/M as an alternative to WordStar which began there. VDE was implemented as a single executable that did not require overlays. Eric moved development to DOS, and another developer picked up VDE for CP/M and continued it as ZDE. There was also a conversion of VDE from ASM to C and a static build port for Linux. Copies of all of them are on the VDE site. VDE includes a macro facility which WordStar lacked, and a number of VDE macro packages and a VDE macro compiler are hosted on the site. The site also hosts tools that can be used alongside VDE or called from it, with pointers to other DOS software sites. Eric still uses VDE daily, but development stopped around 2009. The mailing list still exists, but is very low traffic. I run VDE here using the vDOS Plus package available for Windows. vDOS Plus is a fork of the DOSBox emulator originally written to allow users to run old DOS games on things that weren't DOS PCs. (I use an Android port of DOSBox to run some DOS programs on an Android tablet.) vDOS Plus is intended for DOS character mode productivity applications and drops the specialized video and sound support. If folks here know of other things that ought to be on the VDE site, drop me a note. If I agree that they fit I'll add them. > regards, > Zbigniew __ Dennis ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] VDE editor and variety of other interesting tools
https://sites.google.com/site/vdeeditor/Home (see "Files Section") it seems it may be interesting to some -- regards, Zbigniew ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] zip programs and pure DOS?
On 8/21/2020 10:29 PM, Jim Hall wrote: BTW, asking for MSDOS help on a FreeDOS forum, and then saying no to that help because the FreeDOS folks gave an answer for FreeDOS, is a rather strange thing. It's like asking Linus Torvalds what his favorite Windows program is. +1 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] zip programs and pure DOS?
Hi Karen, > As stated, I do not use freedos. > Is there an infozip archive package on the freedos site? The links in my previous mail point to pages which link to both the official homepages of infozip and 7zip and to the freedos copies mirrored on ibiblio: The infozip copies may seem old, but this probably means that the dos version of infozip has not gotten updates from the maintainers recently. It still is a lot newer than PK zip for dos and supports modern file names and modern compression methods which may confuse old PK zip for ms dos. So I would still recommend to try infozip or better 7zip to unzip files which have troubled your PK zip. You can download both from our ibiblio mirror. Regards, Eric PS: Browsers such as lynx, links and w3m seem to receive regular updates, maybe somebody could tell about javascript-versions for them? They have HTTPS. ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] zip programs and pure DOS?
On 22/08/2020 07:29, Jim Hall wrote: Sounds like what you need is the zipfix tool. I think PKware had pkzipfix? Check for that and run it. That tool will check for errors in your zip files. From the little information OP provided, I'd guess that the issue might be rather related to missing LFN support - either in pkunzip or in her system, while the text files stored inside the zip archives may use long filenames or contain some unusual symbols (spaces...). Another possibility is that the zip files store subdirectories with a slash (/) instead of the legacy backslash symbol. InfoZip processes such entries gracefully, no idea about pkunzip. Mateusz ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
