Re: [Freedos-user] FSF
Rugxulo: Why do you bring this drama here?? How does quasi-political outrage affect FreeDOS? There is little to link FreeDOS to FSF other than the GPL, but (as you know) the GPLv2 is very, very popular overall in the software world. Honestly, he's been known as "very eccentric" for many years. I don't think anybody is surprised. He has opinions and voices them (whether unpopular or not). You know what they say about opinions, right? Everyone has one. We need people with unpopular opinions. Otherwise groupthink takes over! I sick of populist bleating about personal dislike of people. ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FSF
On 3/29/2021 6:00 PM, Michael Christopher Robinson wrote: Jim, ... And what you are saying is? Ralf -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FSF
I am extremely saddened to see another major corporation, Red Had, become a member of the cancel culture. Today they bully an organization that refused to cancel Stallman. Who will be bullied next? And who is really more dangerous, Richard Stallman, or billion dollar corporations acting as bullies? Al Whealton On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 3:40 PM tom ehlert wrote: > > > https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/03/red-hat-withdraws-from-the-stallman-led-free-software-foundation/ > > > maybe it's time to show the FSF the middle finger, too? > > Tom > > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FSF
Jim, Stallman is clearly a hard person to get along with. Part of the reason is that Microsoft has been a monopoly for so long that the GPL was the only way anyone could have a personal computer run something not MS-DOS and not Windows NT in a realistic sense that they don't have to buy a license for. Until Microsoft isn't a monopoly, Stallman almost has to be the way he is and can hardly change at all. Realize in the 90s that people who wanted a PC regardless of whether or not they wanted to run a Microsoft OS at all on it had to pay for a Windows 9x license. Even today, where is NT lite from Microsoft? Why can't any of us run 32 bit Windows XP without having to activate it today? Windows 2000 Professional doesn't have to be activated, but that isn't even open and should not be used without a license either where Microsoft won't let you buy one from them for it at any price. Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 64 bit is too expensive at ~$200 for a retail copy. I don't appreciate Microsoft doing away with keys on top of forcing activation and the OS potentially not working unless it can hook to the Microsoft Cloud and verify that you are still allowed to use it. This is terribly abusive along with requiring activation in the first place. When ReactOS is stable, anybody who needs Windows NT won't have to rent Windows from Microsoft anymore where that is obviously Microsoft's opinion of what you will have to do in the near future to have Windows NT on your computer period. All dos based Microsoft Windows versions and even Windows Millenium are available online for free where museums are taking the huge risk of being prosecuted by Microsoft for giving it away for free with all the keys. Your freedos is extremely valuable and extremely important and it is both needed and wanted. FSF should give a fork of Freedos 1.3 the proper label if that fork is made for the right reasons and given the proper limitations. A fork needs to be done and Freedos 1.3 needs to be fully released as planned. The fork of Freedos 1.3 needs to have IDE and floppy support removed completely from the kernel. This fork has to target modern PCs that do not have a BIOS and it cannot support any proprietary software, but there isn't any proprietary dos software that requires a modern computer without a bios to run anyways. For DOS to live any longer and have any relevance in 2021, we need to bring it to modern hardware. The simplest way to bring FreeDOS to modern hardware is to make a fork that will run syslinux as a superior alternative to grub2 on an EFI computer without a bios. Grub2 royally sucks IMO. Part of the reason grub sucks is that it started out as a bootloader for every imaginable PC OS including Windows NT that works with BIOS. Grub2 is nothing like Grub1 because Grub1 requires you to have a BIOS to work where Grub2 doesn't expect you to have a BIOS at all. EFI is extremely controversial for people who primarily want to run open source operating systems like Linux and who don't want or need to run any closed source software. Sadly, secure boot which is tightly tied to EFI is primarily a Microsoft thing. The open source software world needs to deal with secure boot adequately and permanently. There is a need to stop Microsoft from controlling what a personal computer is and what people can have on their personal computer. Microsoft still has too much control evidenced by the fact that Windows 9x is not open, not free, and there is no free version of Windows NT either from Microsoft despite Microsoft's promise that there would be before Windows XP debuted. Windows 10 is still Windows NT in a lot of ways. Microsoft won't allow anyone to legally use a closed source copy of Windows NT 32 bit without purchasing a license from them. Microsoft won't let you buy a license for 32 bit NT, not even Windows Vista. You should never have to buy 32 bit Windows NT period to use it legally with Microsoft hating it so much these days. Microsoft even hates Windows 7 64 bit already. Most people want to use 32 bit Windows NT when Linux won't cut it. Increasingly, that won't be a problem anymore because of ReactOS, but we aren't quite there yet. ReactOS by the way in VirtualBox on CentOS 8 is stable enough that you can play Warcraft II Battle.Net edition all the way through no problem. You will notice color issues and the map editor isn't usable yet, but the game is playable already. This is the first time I'm aware of that any Windows game that Freedos isn't good enough for can be played legally without having a valid Windows NT or Windows 9x license and you don't have to play it in Linux using WINE either. The ReactOS project was going to provide a free Windows 95, but they decided that that cannot be accomplished. When ReactOS stabilizes fully, maybe the Win32k subsystem can be ported to FreeDOS and we can have a true drop in replacement for Windows 98SE on top of FreeDOS. For that matter, there isn't even an open source drop in replacement for
Re: [Freedos-user] FSF
On 3/29/2021 12:39 PM, tom ehlert wrote: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/03/red-hat-withdraws-from-the-stallman-led-free-software-foundation/ maybe it's time to show the FSF the middle finger, too? Tom I'm in.. Ralf -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FSF
+1 Despite not being a Stallmanite myself, I seriously couldn't agree more. Besides, it's not like he just got hired to the board of an organization fighting human trafficking... it's software. Completely unrelated. One's opinion on any given topic has little to nothing to do with how well they can perform their job in a completely unrelated field. And once this drama starts, where does it end? Shall we have a survey of all FreeDOS users to determine which ones hold unpopular opinions and disassociate from them en masse? And who decides what opinions are unpopular? The ludicrosity of this logic becomes quickly apparent. Lots of Stallman's views are vastly misaligned with my own, however we may disagree with others on matters of principle (or even because they're simply an unpleasant sort of fellow) and yet be mature enough to see the importance of upholding their right to hold that very idea which we may consider outlandish and offensive. Opinion outrage such as this is very tiring these days, not to mention has little to do with FreeDOS itself as a whole. Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, March 29, 2021 6:24 PM, Rugxulo wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 2:40 PM tom ehlert t...@drivesnapshot.de wrote: > > > https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/03/red-hat-withdraws-from-the-stallman-led-free-software-foundation/ > > maybe it's time to show the FSF the middle finger, too? > > Tom > > Why do you bring this drama here?? How does quasi-political outrage > affect FreeDOS? There is little to link FreeDOS to FSF other than the > GPL, but (as you know) the GPLv2 is very, very popular overall in the > software world. > > Honestly, he's been known as "very eccentric" for many years. I don't > think anybody is surprised. He has opinions and voices them (whether > unpopular or not). You know what they say about opinions, right? > Everyone has one. > > Let's not crucify anyone, and let's not cancel any technical plans > because of irrational anger. > > You don't have to like or support him, but keep in mind that it's very > inconvenient having to walk on eggshells just because various other > people can't get along for trivial reasons. (Yes, hypothetical > opinions are trivial. If someone can't handle their own emotions upon > every outrageous statement, nobody else wants to deal with that. It's > reasons like this that I don't use Twitter.) > > Please don't fan the flames here. It's not important. If you want to > start a crusade, you're going to lose. > > (Jim, I'm not condoning his opinions, but it's tiring always reading > about drama like this.) > > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FSF
Hi, On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 2:40 PM tom ehlert wrote: > > https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/03/red-hat-withdraws-from-the-stallman-led-free-software-foundation/ > > maybe it's time to show the FSF the middle finger, too? > > Tom Why do you bring this drama here?? How does quasi-political outrage affect FreeDOS? There is little to link FreeDOS to FSF other than the GPL, but (as you know) the GPLv2 is very, very popular overall in the software world. Honestly, he's been known as "very eccentric" for many years. I don't think anybody is surprised. He has opinions and voices them (whether unpopular or not). You know what they say about opinions, right? Everyone has one. Let's not crucify anyone, and let's not cancel any technical plans because of irrational anger. You don't have to like or support him, but keep in mind that it's very inconvenient having to walk on eggshells just because various other people can't get along for trivial reasons. (Yes, hypothetical opinions are trivial. If someone can't handle their own emotions upon every outrageous statement, nobody else wants to deal with that. It's reasons like this that I don't use Twitter.) Please don't fan the flames here. It's not important. If you want to start a crusade, you're going to lose. (Jim, I'm not condoning his opinions, but it's tiring always reading about drama like this.) ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FSF
On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 2:41 PM tom ehlert wrote: > > > https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/03/red-hat-withdraws-from-the-stallman-led-free-software-foundation/ > > > maybe it's time to show the FSF the middle finger, too? > > Tom > Yeah, I have a long history with Stallman, and he is not a pleasant person. I distanced myself from him a long time ago. I like the GNU GPL and I use the GNU GPL v2 for my own work, but Stallman is a problem and I avoid him. When Stallman left the FSF a year and a half ago, I hoped the FSF would become more welcoming. But after the FSF Board voted Stallman back into the FSF, it seems clear the FSF thinks his behavior is okay. And I'm not okay with that. I made a brief statement about my views as a news item on the FreeDOS website last week, and posted a longer statement on my personal FreeDOS page. In brief: I do not condone the FSF's decision to put Stallman back, I will not associate with the FSF or GNU, and I will not participate in any events that include Stallman. https://www.freedos.org/jhall/ I have also signed the open letter to the FSF. Jim ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FSF
RMS stepped in it there, didn't he? Oops. On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 3:40 PM tom ehlert wrote: > > > https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/03/red-hat-withdraws-from-the-stallman-led-free-software-foundation/ > > > maybe it's time to show the FSF the middle finger, too? > > Tom > > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] FSF
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/03/red-hat-withdraws-from-the-stallman-led-free-software-foundation/ maybe it's time to show the FSF the middle finger, too? Tom ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
