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Excerpt from Liam Proven: > I have been using NT since the first version, 3.1, in 1993. There is > no built-in facility or tool to run DOS under it and never has been. > That is why I asked. This is highly relevant and important to the > question. There are no "dots" to follow. > OS/2 2.x and Warp could boot DOS from a floppy, but I don't think even > they could run it from a disk partition. Not sure; I haven't used OS/2 > in over 25 years. I remember OS/2 2.x and Warp could run emulated DOS and could also boot and run a specific DOS, but with limitations. I ran OS/2 from 1.3 to Warp 4 Fixpack 12 until it crashed and destroyed most hard drive data sometime during the single-digit days of April 2001. I even remember my room temperature at that time was 83 F, which was, and still is, quite comfortable to me. After that, I was never again able to boot OS/2 even from the installation or other floppies (Trap 000c or 000e). I then ran DR-DOS 7.03 much of the time before migrating to Linux Slackware. Now I see no advantage in OS/2's successors (eComStation, ArcaOS) compared to choosing between FreeBSD, NetBSD, Linux and Haiku which have the advantage of being open-source. Tom ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Country Code
On Thu, 30 Dec 2021 18:40:07 -0500 dmccunney wrote: > You might be*able* to. I encountered a guy years back adamant that > Win2K should be run from FAT32. He thought it was faster. (I thought > he was a fool.) > > Why you might *want* to is another matter. "A file system DOS can > read and write" is generally not a sufficient reason. It might very well be faster, as FAT is a pretty simple filesystem that doesn't do journaling amongst other things. NTFS itself sucks compared to many full featured filesystems written for Linux. The main problem with using FAT32 with NT is you don't have permissions. Permissions and security are however not a big concern of your typical microsoft user to this day. Thus the option to format and install on a FAT partition is right there in the 1st stage text mode installer of both XP and NT 4 and is officially supported. Windows NT was designed to work with FAT. Windows NT 4 always first formats the install partition as a FAT16 filesystem and then if you selected NTFS at install, it converts the FAT16 file system online to NTFS on the first reboot after install. This typical Microsoftish genius idea, makes you jump through all kinds of hoops that include a third party online repartitioning tool to install it on an NTFS partition bigger than 2Gb. -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Country Code
On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 3:04 PM Deposite Pirate wrote: > On Thu, 30 Dec 2021 19:21:36 +0100 > Liam Proven wrote: > > AFAIK XP *must* be installed in an NTFS partition. It cannot be > > installed on FAT. DOS can't boot from NTFS and can't read NTFS without > > additional drivers. So I still don't know what you're doing here. > > Windows XP can indeed officially be installed and boot from FAT32. > > https://kb.iu.edu/d/ajqm You might be*able* to. I encountered a guy years back adamant that Win2K should be run from FAT32. He thought it was faster. (I thought he was a fool.) Why you might *want* to is another matter. "A file system DOS can read and write" is generally not a sufficient reason. __ Dennis ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Country Code
Dec 30, 2021 12:22:48 Liam Proven : > > I have been using NT since the first version, 3.1, in 1993. There is > no built-in facility or tool to run DOS under it and never has been. > That is why I asked. This is highly relevant and important to the > question. There are no "dots" to follow. NTVDM exists and runs a stripped down version of MS-DOS 5. I think it even does have non-stripped versions of the relevant files available if the user decides to sys a floppy. But I've never heard of it being possible to run anything but there provided build of MS-DOS 5 in NTVDM. Maybe he ran the FreeDOS installer and managed to pull in components of FreeDOS, but unless he's using an emulator or VM, I agree that he certainly isn't running FreeDOS on top of XP. Jon Brase ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Country Code
On Thu, 30 Dec 2021 19:21:36 +0100 Liam Proven wrote: > AFAIK XP *must* be installed in an NTFS partition. It cannot be > installed on FAT. DOS can't boot from NTFS and can't read NTFS without > additional drivers. So I still don't know what you're doing here. Windows XP can indeed officially be installed and boot from FAT32. https://kb.iu.edu/d/ajqm -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Country Code
On Thu, 30 Dec 2021 at 13:19, JR wrote: > Too long ago, I can't remember. Probably just followed the dots at the > time. Runs in a Windows VDM as far as I know. I have been using NT since the first version, 3.1, in 1993. There is no built-in facility or tool to run DOS under it and never has been. That is why I asked. This is highly relevant and important to the question. There are no "dots" to follow. OS/2 2.x and Warp could boot DOS from a floppy, but I don't think even they could run it from a disk partition. Not sure; I haven't used OS/2 in over 25 years. You *need* to give us more information, and accurate, verified information, not just guesses. > Sample output and version info. > > C:\>DIR F* /P > Volume in drive C is XP > > Directory of C:\ > > FAT-6502 05/17/17 7:12a > FCIV 05/17/17 7:12a > FED05/03/21 7:34p > FILE-D~1 04/23/18 7:19p > FREEDOS05/17/17 7:12a > 0 file(s) 0 bytes > 5 dir(s) 888,552,960 bytes free AFAIK XP *must* be installed in an NTFS partition. It cannot be installed on FAT. DOS can't boot from NTFS and can't read NTFS without additional drivers. So I still don't know what you're doing here. > C:\>VER > > FreeCom version 0.84-pre2 XMS_Swap [Aug 28 2006 00:29:00] > C:\> You might be able to execute FreeDOS' `COMMAND.COM` under a DOS Windows in XP but that's not running FreeDOS/ > I already tried c:\dos\country.sys and c:freedos\country.sys Did you check to see that the relevant files exist? There's no point randomly changing the lines. But anyway, I don't think this is going to work. If it can or it does it uses some tech I have never seen and that is not a standard part of the OS. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven UK: (+44) 7939-087884 ~ Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Jemmex and Semware editor
Hi there: Thanks for trying this. I’m trying to run this with DOSBox-X. However, your message gave me a clue. Now, I’ll try with VMWare and see what happens. There may be a problem with DOSBox-X’s emulation. I just needed someone else with a different setup to try it. Now, I know it’s on my end. Sent from Mail for Windows From: Jim HallSent: Tuesday, December 28, 2021 7:03 PMTo: Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS.Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Jemmex and Semware editor On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 9:30 PM wrote:> I have the Semware Editor, big brother to Qedit.> > I can use it fine under MS-DOS with EMM386.EXE, but, when I try to use it under FreeDOS with the default config, I get something like this:> > JemmEx: exception 06 occured at CS:EIP=:0707, ERRC=> SS:ESP=2C74:00D9 EBP=000B EFL=00023082 CR0=8011 CR2=> EAX=0EFF EBX=2AB3 ECX=0002 EDX=00D9 ESI=001B EDI=8FCD> DS=00D9 ES=02C1 FS=02C1 GS=C5C2 [CS:IP]=C5 E8 EA 04 F4 00 70 00> Press ESC to abort program> > I can use option 4 on boot-up and it’ll work.> > If anyone wants to play with the testdrive, which also exhibits this behavior, you can download it at:> > https://semware.com/files/testdrive/tsedos25.zip> > I don’t mind rebooting to use it, but, it would be nice if it worked with the out-of-the-box config. I think we need a little more information here. I downloaded this zipfile and ran it in my test VM (QEMU running FreeDOS 1.3 RC5) and itworks fine for me, using any FreeDOS boot configuration (boot menuitem) with or without JEMMEX. Are you trying to run this on "bare metal" hardware? Or in a virtualmachine? Which version of FreeDOS are you using? (We recently releasedFreeDOS 1.3 RC5.) Jim ___Freedos-user mailing listFreedos-user@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Country Code
On Thu, 30 Dec 2021 at 11:39, JR wrote: First thing... > I am running FreeDos under Windows XP ... Er... How? 2nd thing: > included the line > "country=061,437,c:\windows\system32\country.sys" in the > c:\windows\system32\config.nt file Should this not be pointing to FreeDOS' directory and FreeDOS' `COUNTRY.SYS` file, not Windows'? -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven UK: (+44) 7939-087884 ~ Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Country Code
Hi there I have a really basic question regarding the date format. After decades, I decided I would like the date format to be -mm-dd instead of mm-dd-yy The "International English" country code of 061 will do the job. See. http://wiki.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/Country_codes I am running FreeDos under Windows XP and included the line "country=061,437,c:\windows\system32\country.sys" in the c:\windows\system32\config.nt file. Syntax for the country command is:- country code, code page, path to country.sys This command is apparently ignored as there is no change in the date format. I have tried rebooting as well. Any ideas please. The current code page page can be queried with the chcp command or the mode command (CON:) Is there any means of checking the country code? Any help appreciated. Thanks John ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Video complains that DOS should not be mantained
Doesn't Links2 do TLS? On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 3:45 PM Jim Hall wrote: > On Mon, Dec 27, 2021 at 6:28 PM Jose Senna wrote: > > > > Liam Proven said: > > > There were DOS email and chat and FTP > > > clients; that stuff's fairly easy. > > > > Were is the right word. Most email > > servers nowadays require TLS, which > > is not available in DOS email clients. > > There are few remaining FTP servers, > > and I cannot tell how many also need > > TLS. > > > That's why I made sure you can access the FreeDOS website from > http://www.freedos.org/ and https://www.freedos.org > > If you're using a DOS web browser, I don't think any DOS web browser > can manage today's SSL, so you need http instead of https. > > But the links from freedos.org to other websites mostly use https, I > think. Because not everyone wants to set up both http and https for a > website. > > > Jim > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
