[Freedos-user] FreeDOS-based verification of a tool-assisted speedrun
Here is information about using FreeDOS installed on a laptop to play back a speedrun of an old DOS game: http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=22864 Tool-assisted speedruns are not made by playing a game in real time; instead they are made in an emulator, with each segment being replayed and revised from savestates to find faster techniques and eliminate mistakes. The output of the process is a file containing a sequence of timed inputs which, when fed back into the emulator, cause the deterministic simulation to complete the game. This kind of speedrun is normally displayed on an emulator, but there is an increasing trend of "console verification," testing that the inputs work on real game hardware. You may have seen videos of TASBot (https://tas.bot/), a device that performs speedruns by replaying prerecorded inputs through a game console's controller ports. So far there have not been many examples of console verification of PC games, partly because PC hardware is less uniform than dedicated video game consoles. The thread above shows that it may be possible to console-verify at least a few simple DOS games. The overall setup is an Arduino connected to a USB port of a PC running FreeDOS 1.3 RC4. The Arduino is programmed to supply the sequence of inputs from the emulator file as USB keypress events. The inputs required a small amount of tweaking to account for speed differences between the emulated PC and the real hardware. The speedrun was originally made in JPC-RR (http://tasvideos.org/EmulatorResources/JPC.html), a TAS-oriented fork of the JPC emulator (https://github.com/ianopolous/JPC). ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] New FreeDOSers Monthly Reminder
Great, back in Kindergarten. I haven't seen any problems. You just come out and get all butt hurt about nothing? Get a life. There no swearing yet. Don't want you to $hiit yr pants. On Sunday, August 1, 2021, 2:01:57 AM EDT, John Price wrote: -- We have only a few rules for posting to the FreeDOS mailing lists: 1. NO HATE SPEECH OR BULLYING Make sure everyone feels safe. Bullying of any kind isn't allowed, and degrading comments about things like race, religion, culture, sexual orientation, gender or identity will not be tolerated. Don't swear. We don't want this mailing list to become what Usenet turned into. 2. NO PROMOTIONS OR SPAM Remember, this group is about FreeDOS. General DOS topics are okay, but try to keep it related to FreeDOS. Self-promotion, spam and irrelevant links aren't allowed. Spammers will be banned. Keep posts on-topic. We set up this mailing list to discuss FreeDOS issues. 3. BE KIND AND COURTEOUS We're all in this together to create a welcoming environment. Let's treat everyone with respect. Healthy debates are natural, but kindness is required. No flame wars. If you feel really strongly against what someone has said, send a reply off-list. -- /* This is an automated message sent out to the mailing list at the first of each month. It is automagically downloaded from http://freedos.sourceforge.net/freedos/lists/remind.txt Feel free to contact John Price if necessary by replying to this message. */ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Crynwr package contains PCNTPK.COM
Does this mean it will be pulled from the distribution? Or does it mean we'll actually try and address this issue head-on, because now it affects two packages? I think FDNET is pretty mission-critical, given it's in the default FDAUTO.BAT. The problem with that, if what I read on the wiki is correct, is that AMD tried to pull some shenanigans after releasing PCNTPK to the public. The Crynwr package also has this problem because it contains PCNTPK.COM. Do we simply drop support for AMD network interface cards? Is that the solution here? ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Why do you use DOS
Liam ProvenMuch the same here, just quite proficient with DOS back in the 80's, I like that it's fast only doing ONE thing at a time, and boots so quickly. Not to mention, it doesn't spy on you! And right, you aren't tempted to surf the web/ LOL On Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 6:11:02 PM EDT, Liam Proven wrote: On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 at 18:00, Johnpaul Humphrey wrote: > > So my question is, why do YOU use FreeDOS? OK. Disclaimer first: I do have FreeDOS here and there but I personally prefer running PC DOS 7.1 or DR-DOS. The small differences in FreeDOS irritate me, and I am more familiar with these versions. I worked in tech support on DOS in the 1980s and 1990s and know those versions best. That aside: why do I still run DOS? Well, I built up a lot of skills in DOS in my early career – I won jobs on the basis of my DOS troubleshooting and optimisation skills. I was an expert in DOS manual memory management and could usually get circa 620 kB free conventional memory even on a heavily-loaded machine with multimedia, an optical drive and a network stack. These skills are completely obsolete and redundant these days. So, installing DOS, especially on real hardware, is a fun chance to exercise old skills that I do not get to use any more. There are a huge number of DOS applications out there as abandonware these days, albeit only quasi-legal. It's the work of minutes to assemble a top-flight selection of office apps worth thousands of £/$/€ 30 years ago. I know how to use many of these apps very quickly and efficiently. DOS takes little maintenance, especially compared with 21st century Windows. It's very fast, it does a lot of what I need, and also it's blissfully free of distractions once you've got it working. You can't just Alt-Tab to another window and then waste hours idly surfing the Web. You can't meaningfully use the Web at all. That helps me to get more done. It's also handy for re-flashing BIOSes and things like that. :-) -- Liam Proven – Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk – gMail/gTalk/gHangouts: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/Facebook/LinkedIn/Flickr: lproven – Skype: liamproven UK: +44 7939-087884 – ČR (+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal): +420 702 829 053 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Floppy fetish search
My reply is at the bottom. Please put your reply there too. On Thu, 8 Oct 2020, Joao Silva wrote: On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 1:10 PM E. Auer wrote: Hi everybody, > I don't need the actual floppies - but I'd love to have a photo of > them. Interesting thought :-) Might take a moment, but good idea. I also like the hard blue plastic boxes in which Inmac sold the floppies. In the meantime, my offer has grown by 20 small 3.5 inch diskettes, as well as various storage boxes for big and small diskettes. Actually one can use those for 5.25 inch diskettes to organize CD or DVD, in case some of you likes a bit of a retro touch :-) Also, I have another nostalgia problem: After making copies of a few relevant pages, I think I should finally get rid of my German MS-DOS 4.01 and Windows 3.1 handbooks. Any good ideas for ritual destruction? Or is anybody still interested in that old stuff? ;-) Harald, thank you for your offer to extract data from my CP/M floppies! Going through the link list from Rugxulo, I found out that both cpmtools and 22DISK offer dozens of possible formats, but to my surprise, none of them seemed to work?? However, *AnaDisk* is able to check which types and numbers of sectors exist on each track of a floppy and assuming that using Win98 as host OS was acceptable, it manages to extract a confusing pile of sectors from each of the CP/M floppies. I still have to figure out whether there is sense in that data or whether I should rather seek help from Harald and his special hardware. For now, I will pause attempts to extract the floppy contents more thoroughly until new ideas pop up or until I find out that AnaDisk missed too much of the contents. Apparently the floppies were 40x8x1 or 40x8x2 with 512 bytes per sector, often with some un-numbered sectors here and sectors with data errors there? While almost all MS DOS formatted floppies still worked well - after 35 years! At the risk of only being able to read, but not reliably write or format 360k disks in the future, I still plan to *throw away* my 360k drive and keep only the 1200k drive (just in a drawer). Nobody seemed to want the 360k drive or my second 1200k drive yet ;-) Cheers, Eric PS: I also still have the original MS-DOS 4.01 floppies, but prefer to use the original MS-DOS 5.00 diskettes in 3.5 inch in case any need for any MS-DOS should ever arise again in the future. And there is Win 3.1! ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user Hello! Why destroy the manuals? You can give them to some Institution for preservation, they are a piece of computer history or you can frame them and put on the wall of your office. Yes! Please send them somewhere to be scanned and OCRed! Get in touch with Al Kossow of the Computer History Museum in Sunnyvale CA. See http://www.bitsavers.org/ and http://www.bitsavers.org/. -- David Griffith d...@661.org ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS is slow in Raspberry 4
On 3/18/20 12:21 PM, Ralf Quint wrote: > On 3/18/2020 10:02 AM, Swap Jim via Freedos-user wrote: >> >> And in the meantime I'll try Fedora ARM, just in case it matters on >> the RPi4. > FAIK, Rasbian is the best supported distro on the RPi4B+ (hardware > wise). And beside that Raspberry.org itself otherwise only promotes > Ubuntu. Fedora/Pidora was dropped at least a couple of years ago, so I > am not sure that you will be able to yield any better results using an > ARM based Fedora. > > I still think that the problem is that QEMU doesn't take into account > the new capabilities of the 4B+ over the 3B+, not only CPU wise, but > also video (4K dual screen vs 1080p single), USB (3.0 vs 2.0) and > networking (true Gigabit Ethernet vs Gigiabit over USB 2.0, limited to > 300MBit/sec), and defaults (at least for the video part, maybe) to a > lower performing generic "fallback" mode. > > Ralf > > It's worth noting that Raspbian is still only distributed in 32-bit form, failing to take full advantage of the 64-bit ARM processor on the Pi 4. If some other distribution is built for arm64, that may well perform better than Raspbian even though it is the best "supported" OS. The 32-bit distribution was a conscious decision by the Raspberry Pi Foundation to maintain binary compatibility with older Pi boards so that newcomers would not be confused about which download to choose. I don't know how much of an effect running in 32-bit mode has on the performance of the newer CPU, but I thought it was worth mentioning as a possible reason why an unofficial distribution might run better on a Pi 4. Regards, David E. McMackins II www.mcmackins.org www.delwink.com ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] DOS version control
My reply is at the bottom. Please put your reply there too. On Sun, 16 Feb 2020, Andy Stamp wrote: Hello, I've starting working on a game and some small dual monitor (VGA + MDA) utilities but have run into issues where the code used to work and now it doesn't. We use subversion, cvs, and git at work and I was wondering what options are available for dos-based systems besides dated zip files. Svn and git likely never had even a 386+ DOS version but I suspect that CVS must have. What other DOS options were used prior to the source safe era? Check this out: https://retrocomputing.stackexchange.com/questions/6588/source-code-control-on-an-ms-dos-system -- David Griffith d...@661.org A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Upgrade Frotz to 2.50
The version of Frotz included in 1.3rc2 is still 2.43. Could we get that upgraded to 2.50? This release fixes a bunch of rather severe memory allocation bugs. -- David Griffith d...@661.org A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 1.3 RC2 is available for download
My reply is at the bottom. Please put your reply there too. On Mon, 9 Dec 2019, Jim Hall wrote: We are still moving toward the FreeDOS 1.3 release. FreeDOS 1.3 Release Candidate 2 is now available for download. Please help us test this new version! A big feature in FreeDOS 1.3 will be booting into a LiveCD version of FreeDOS. You can test this by downloading FD13-LiveCD.zip, which contains FD13LIVE.ISO. About the LiveCD, from the readme: This media is similar to the LegacyCD. However instead of relying on the BIOS floppy disk emulation, it uses SYSLINUX and MEMDISK to boot an emulated floppy disk. Along side support to perform a Plain and Full installation FreeDOS, this media is also able to run FreeDOS live from RAM or CD (depending on computer system and hardware) without installation to an internal hard disk drive. You can also download FreeDOS 1.3 RC2 in "Full" and "Lite" versions, and a "Legacy" CDROM version that is set up to let the CDROM boot on older hardware. Most users should try the LiveCD version. You can download the new FreeDOS 1.3 RC2 from the FreeDOS file archive at ibiblio: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.3/p reviews/1.3-rc2/ Thanks to Jerome for doing the hard work on the LiveCD! Jim Could we get Frotz 2.50 in there? http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.2/repos/pkg-html/frotz.html still lists version 2.43, which has a several memory allocation problems that were fixed in 2.50. It's available as an executable in http://ifarchive.org/if-archive/infocom/interpreters/frotz/frotz250.zip -- David Griffith d...@661.org A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] anyone here code software?
My reply is at the bottom. Please put your reply there too. On Thu, 28 Nov 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: I have a professional question, so seek an expert who codes or develops software for DOS. This is not a list topic, so would appreciate permission to contact whomever writes me off list. I try to keep DOS Frotz up to date. Ask away! -- David Griffith d...@661.org A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] FreeDOS and Samba
What am I doing wrong with FreeDOS and mounting a Samba file share? I have a Virtualbox image I found at https://www.lazybrowndog.net/freedos/virtualbox/?page_id=33 which seems to have everything ready for networking. I have Samba installed on the host Linux machine. From the host I can mount the share, but not entirely on FreeDOS. The best I can manage is read-only access if the "valid users" parameter (below) is removed. I managed to get this to work a few years ago and recall that the solution has something to do with using SMB protocol 1. None of the guides I find now for mounting a share from FreeDOS mention this and Samba now seems unwilling to admit it knows anything about SMB1. Here's what I have for the share in /etc/smb.conf: [Dave] comment = Dave's stuff path = /home/dave/foobar read only = no guest ok = yes browsable = yes writable = yes valid users = dave -- David Griffith d...@661.org A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] DOS Frotz 2.50 beta1 is out
My reply is at the bottom. Please put your reply there too. On Thu, 10 Oct 2019, Mateusz Viste wrote: On 10/10/19 7:49 AM, David Griffith wrote: On Wed, 9 Oct 2019, Mateusz Viste wrote: Would you mind sharing what was the bug? It has something to do with memory allocation for the undo slots and far pointers. William Lash says he might have something that could work. I see - this is still a pending, unresolved issue. Why bother testing then? I mentioned them so people would recognize them and not conclude a new bug was found. Using huge pointers is not a solution, it might hide the bug, at best. That it works with huge pointers and not with normal 16-bit pointers may be an indication that you use arrays (or other addressable objects) of more than 64K somewhere. Using a the huge memory model and huge pointers results in an immediate crash. -- David Griffith d...@661.org A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] DOS Frotz 2.50 beta1 is out
My reply is at the bottom. Please put your reply there too. On Thu, 10 Oct 2019, Rugxulo wrote: Hi, On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 1:21 PM Tom Ehlert wrote: and - please : THIS IS NOT THE LIST TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS OF FROTZ PERFORMANCE. If he's testing it atop DOS, especially FreeDOS, then I don't see the problem. (You've complained about off-topic stuff for freedos-devel in the past, but this is freedos-user, so it should be open to all such userland discussion, no?) Personally, I think such sternness might scare away some of the very few developers we have left. And I think that's unnecessary and avoidable. Perhaps Frotz-only discussions or anything non-DOS related (esp. if non-FreeDOS) might be less on-topic here. But I'm sure someone more authoritative (Jim Hall?) can clarify further. Indeed. My posting here about Frotz is only in the context of testing under DOS. Presumably there are people here with real hardware available for tinkering about using DOS in some form or fashion. Given that Frotz is listed at http://wiki.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/Releases/1.3/Packages as something to include in an upcoming distribution of FreeDOS, I figured that its discussion here would be welcome. -- David Griffith d...@661.org A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] DOS Frotz 2.50 beta1 is out
My reply is at the bottom. Please put your reply there too. On Wed, 9 Oct 2019, Mateusz Viste wrote: On 10/8/19 11:43 PM, David Griffith wrote: Yesterday I tagged and released the first beta test of DOS Frotz 2.50. Most of the work that went into the DOS interface focus on improving stablity. I think I've corrected the two outstanding problems with DOS Frotz: locking up upon exit and crashing with a "dos mem corrupt" error. Would you mind sharing what was the bug? It has something to do with memory allocation for the undo slots and far pointers. William Lash says he might have something that could work. -- David Griffith d...@661.org A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] DOS Frotz 2.50 beta1 is out
My reply is at the bottom. Please put your reply there too. On Wed, 9 Oct 2019, Tom Ehlert wrote: Yesterday I tagged and released the first beta test of DOS Frotz 2.50. Most of the work that went into the DOS interface focus on improving stablity. I think I've corrected the two outstanding problems with DOS Frotz: locking up upon exit and crashing with a "dos mem corrupt" error. This only happened with certain games. could you please be more specific like what games were this? do you you think the problems are fixed or is more testing needed? These bugs are described at https://gitlab.com/DavidGriffith/frotz/issues/8 and https://gitlab.com/DavidGriffith/frotz/issues/58. The crashing problem (issue 8) happens with at least Lost Pig, Uninvited, and Sherlock. Issue 58 happens at least with Advent and Lost Pig. are there replay sessions available? Not necessary as the bugs show up almost immediately as I understand it Frotz should be able to reproduce bugs (and fixes). Please hammer on it, especially on real hardware. I'd like to get some solid figures on speed, memory usage, and minimum hardware requirements. how exactly would we 'hammer on it' Try out large games on weak hardware and see how fast/slow things go or how a crash happens. how do we obtain solid figures? speed of what? and - please : THIS IS NOT THE LIST TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS OF FROTZ PERFORMANCE. I should have been more specific -- something like "Running $GAME on an IBM 5150 brought the machine to a crawl" would suffice. I'm trying to make sure Frotz works tolerably on a 5150 for at least Infocom's games. Newer V8 games written in Inform7 I'm sure would cause trouble. -- David Griffith d...@661.org A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] DOS Frotz 2.50 beta1 is out
Yesterday I tagged and released the first beta test of DOS Frotz 2.50. Most of the work that went into the DOS interface focus on improving stablity. I think I've corrected the two outstanding problems with DOS Frotz: locking up upon exit and crashing with a "dos mem corrupt" error. This only happened with certain games. Please hammer on it, especially on real hardware. I'd like to get some solid figures on speed, memory usage, and minimum hardware requirements. DOS Frotz can be compiled from the source code available at https://gitlab.com/DavidGriffith/frotz/ using Turbo C. A finished executable is also available at https://661.org/proj/if/frotz/frotz250b1.zip -- David Griffith d...@661.org A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)
vmdk is a virtual machine image for VMWare. You want to use the img file. Use a disk imaging software to image your drive using the img file as the image. Regards, David E. McMackins II www.mcmackins.org www.delwink.com On 8/19/19 5:39 AM, kaye n wrote: > Hello Friends > > In http://wiki.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page > > It says, > *If your computer doesn't have a CDROM drive,* use the USB fob drive > installer. Write this to a USB fob drive and boot it to start the > install. The "Full" and "Lite" versions install the same FreeDOS, but > the "Lite" installer does not contain some extra bonus software packages. > > How exactly do I do that? The file FD12FULL.zip contains three files: > FD12FULL.img > FD12FULL.vmdk > README.md > > Do I just unzip these three to the USB flash drive and boot into the USB > drive? > I tried it and it didn't work. > > Sorry for my ignorance. > Thank you for your time. > > > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] HP laptop touchpad
I will throw in my own experience here in case it is relevant. I have a 1999 Sony Vaio with a built in trackpad. If I load ctmouse with no external hardware, the trackpad works fine. If then connect an external PS/2 mouse, that mouse will work fine too. If, however, I load ctmouse with both connected, then I get your symptom of erratically moving cursor as well as display glitching. Happy Hacking, David E. McMackins II www.mcmackins.org www.delwink.com On 8/6/19 2:19 PM, Tom Messmer wrote: > Hello, > I have an old HP Pavillion dv6000 laptop that I’ve installed Freedos on. I’m > a unix guy and have very little experience with dos, so bear with me if you > could. Everything installed nicely, and it certainly performs like a champ, > however the Cutemouse driver simply doesn’t work with the touchpad. I’ve > tried flipping various options with Cutemouse including horizontal and > vertical settings, etc with the same outcome: the arrow cursor just flips out > and zips around the screen at random. The bios on this thing has zero options > for the trackpad fyi. > > Is it possible to get a touchpad working with Cutemouse? Any assistance would > be greatly appreciated. > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] why isn't anyone answering my question?
Yes, that is the correct list, but it didn't come through. When you send something to the mailing list, you should get it in your own inbox when it is forwarded from the list. If you did get that, then maybe something happened on the mail server at just the wrong time. Happy Hacking, David E. McMackins II www.mcmackins.org www.delwink.com On 7/17/19 6:43 AM, kaye n wrote: By the way, I emailed my question to freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net <mailto:freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> about two days ago. Isn't that the address where I can send questions to? Many thanks. On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 7:34 PM HTV04 . <mailto:htv04ru...@gmail.com>> wrote: What’s your question? On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 7:30 AM kaye n mailto:guik...@gmail.com>> wrote: Hello? Anyone there? ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net <mailto:Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Sincerely, HTV04 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net <mailto:Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] why isn't anyone answering my question?
I don't see any question from you in my several years of email history, so perhaps your question never made it to the list. Furthermore, this is not a paid support line. Nobody here owes you an answer to your question. Most people are willing to help, but if nobody knows an answer or is willing to put forth the effort for a complete and correct answer, they are not obligated to find one for you. Instead of pestering the list for not answering a question they very likely didn't even receive, why not just ask your question again? Happy Hacking, David E. McMackins II www.mcmackins.org www.delwink.com On 7/17/19 6:28 AM, kaye n wrote: Hello? Anyone there? ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] rcal v1.0
Based on the terms of the GPL, I think the package info file should say GPL since the package must still be distributed under the terms of the GPL (that's how copyleft works). Happy Hacking, David E. McMackins II Supporting Member, Electronic Frontier Foundation (#2296972) Associate Member, Free Software Foundation (#12889) www.mcmackins.org www.delwink.com www.eff.org www.gnu.org www.fsf.org On 2018-08-07 07:05, Mateusz Viste wrote: On Tue, 07 Aug 2018 06:45:33 -0500, David McMackins wrote: Why does your "copying policy" say MIT but the license in RCAL.TXT is GPL? Confusing. No it's not, if you can read. Here's an excerpt of RCAL.TXT just for you: rcal is published under the MIT license, as printed below. (...) rcal relies on the APM (Arbitrary Precision Math) library v1.0, published by Lloyd Zusman in 1988. The APM library falls under different licensing terms than rcal, (...) the APM GPL. I hope this helps. Mateusz -- FreeDOS is present on the USENET, too! alt.os.free-dos -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] rcal v1.0
Why does your "copying policy" say MIT but the license in RCAL.TXT is GPL? Confusing. Happy Hacking, David E. McMackins II Supporting Member, Electronic Frontier Foundation (#2296972) Associate Member, Free Software Foundation (#12889) www.mcmackins.org www.delwink.com www.eff.org www.gnu.org www.fsf.org On 08/02/2018 12:02 AM, Mateusz Viste wrote: > > > Hello, > > Following a short discussion recently on one of the FreeDOS mailing > lists, I noticed that there is not much choice when it comes to 8086- > compatible, free (libre) calculators under DOS. I decided to fill this > gap, and created rcal. > > http://rcal.sourceforge.net > > Not sure it will be useful to anyone, but here it is. And it works. > > Mateusz > -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Choosing an interrupt number
Can't hurt to have. I'll probably translate it to C. Happy Hacking, David E. McMackins II Supporting Member, Electronic Frontier Foundation (#2296972) Associate Member, Free Software Foundation (#12889) www.mcmackins.org www.delwink.com www.eff.org www.gnu.org www.fsf.org On 08/04/2018 10:53 AM, Mercury Thirteen via Freedos-user wrote: > I wrote a program years ago which probes the 16-bit interrupt dispatch table > under DOS and saves the addresses of all 256 handlers to a file you specify. > If you like, I can dig up the old VB source. Let me know. > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > On August 4, 2018 11:40 AM, David McMackins wrote: > >> I'm wanting to set up a packet driver, but it asks for which packet int >> number to use. From the packet driver specification, I see this is >> supposed to be between 0x60 and 0x80, but how can I tell if any of these >> are already taken? >> >> Happy Hacking, >> >> David E. McMackins II >> Supporting Member, Electronic Frontier Foundation (#2296972) >> Associate Member, Free Software Foundation (#12889) >> >> www.mcmackins.org www.delwink.com >> www.eff.org www.gnu.org www.fsf.org >> >> -- >> >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> >> Freedos-user mailing list >> Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > > > > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Choosing an interrupt number
I'm wanting to set up a packet driver, but it asks for which packet int number to use. From the packet driver specification, I see this is supposed to be between 0x60 and 0x80, but how can I tell if any of these are already taken? Happy Hacking, David E. McMackins II Supporting Member, Electronic Frontier Foundation (#2296972) Associate Member, Free Software Foundation (#12889) www.mcmackins.org www.delwink.com www.eff.org www.gnu.org www.fsf.org -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] SLIP packet driver
Fair enough. I'll get on that. Happy Hacking, David E. McMackins II Supporting Member, Electronic Frontier Foundation (#2296972) Associate Member, Free Software Foundation (#12889) www.mcmackins.org www.delwink.com www.eff.org www.gnu.org www.fsf.org On 08/01/2018 05:54 AM, Z.B. wrote: > On Wed, Aug 01, 2018 at 05:42:45AM -0500, David McMackins wrote: > >> I knew how to use a SLIP driver, I wouldn't have asked, but since I >> don't know, I asked, and you take that as an indication that it's of no >> use to me. How does that help anyone? > > If you googled for "SLIP8250.COM" - the very first search result is > "Setting up SLIP clients under DOS and Windows". > > I believe you'll find there everything you need to get SLIP up and running. > -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] SLIP packet driver
> If you don't know how to use a SLIP driver you most likely don't need > one. :/ I was born in the mid 90s. I never experienced any of this stuff when it was relevant. I've been trying on and off to get my FreeDOS computer networked ever since I first installed it in 2016. Only very recently did I actually put forth a bit of effort to see what I could do with the hardware interfaces available to me. SLIP is what I decided on. I'm pretty sure I know what software I need, and now it's time to actually run it, but I've never installed drivers on DOS before, and I don't know what's typical. "Use something else because surely you don't really need what you're asking for" isn't helpful. You don't know what I need. I don't "need" any of this. I don't need FreeDOS, I don't need that computer, and I don't need to access the Internet from it. But it's not about that, and it never was. I'm trying to challenge myself so that I can learn about things, and when it comes to learning about stuff from the 80s, Internet tutorials and wikis often lack what seem to be obvious details but are very important to someone who didn't live through it. When I hit a road block, I query the mailing list. You don't owe me help. I don't demand it, but if you're going to offer a comment, I would ask that it be a real answer or a clarifying question, not an assumption about what I need and an insult to my intelligence. If I knew how to use a SLIP driver, I wouldn't have asked, but since I don't know, I asked, and you take that as an indication that it's of no use to me. How does that help anyone? Happy Hacking, David E. McMackins II Supporting Member, Electronic Frontier Foundation (#2296972) Associate Member, Free Software Foundation (#12889) www.mcmackins.org www.delwink.com www.eff.org www.gnu.org www.fsf.org On 08/01/2018 02:46 AM, Tom Ehlert wrote: > Hallo Herr David McMackins, > > am Mittwoch, 1. August 2018 um 03:48 schrieben Sie: > >> Ah, it appears I should've looked past my nose. FreeDOS's own Crynwr >> package has a SLIP driver. > >> Is using it as simple as just running SLIP8250.COM? > > If you don't know how to use a SLIP driver you most likely don't need > one. > > I think that you are looking for something like ETHERDFS (easy copy > files between 'server' and 'client') > > Tom > > > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Networking without ethernet?
I'm interested in this approach, but I'm finding it hard to find documentation and software. From what I've heard so far, it seems using the on-board modem will be more of a hassle than just using serial or parallel to connect to something else with ethernet. I'd like to stick with free/libre software wherever possible, and I'm not opposed to writing my own software to accomplish this either; I just need documentation. All the documentation I can find seems to make too many assumptions about my knowledge (i.e. "Just use " as if I have it and know how to use it already). If the users on this list can work together and get me the pieces I need to make a working setup for this, I'd be more than happy to compile it all into a comprehensive how-to document for future users. Happy Hacking, David E. McMackins II Supporting Member, Electronic Frontier Foundation (#2296972) Associate Member, Free Software Foundation (#12889) www.mcmackins.org www.delwink.com www.eff.org www.gnu.org www.fsf.org On 07/10/2018 03:11 PM, geneb wrote: >> On Jul 10, 2018, 1:23 PM, David McMackins wrote: >> >>> Even if I did, that doesn't answer my question. Even if I get connected >>> to dial-up, will TCP/IP applications still work, or will they complain >>> about drivers since they are trying to access a NIC? >>> > > David, you might be well served by looking into SLIP & PPP options for > DOS. Something like Trumpet WinSock, but for DOS. > > You could configure a Raspberry Pi as a PPP or SLIP host and connect to > it via a null modem cable. > > g. > -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Tandy 1000 compatibility
> It looks pretty obsolete I'm not running DOS for its relevance... > Even the floppy drive is not compatible with standard. Yeah, I know. I was thinking about seeing what that would take. Isn't the floppy disk management all done from software, though? > Where would you get Tandy 1000 and parts at reasonable price, if at all? I'll figure that out later. This is a long-term consideration, not something I plan to do next week. > Raspberry Pi comes to mind, but that might not be suitable for DOS. I'm not really sure where you're going with that. I mean, I've used Raspberry Pis for lots of things, but how would it come in handy for testing software for Tandy hardware? I guess I could run DOSBox on it, but I can do that on my regular PC, so I don't see the point. I'm also a retro hardware enthusiast, and emulation to me is just for casuals who want software to "just work". I'm after the authentic experience, not "close enough". Happy Hacking, David E. McMackins II Supporting Member, Electronic Frontier Foundation (#2296972) Associate Member, Free Software Foundation (#12889) www.mcmackins.org www.delwink.com www.eff.org www.gnu.org www.fsf.org On 07/21/2018 06:07 PM, Thomas Mueller wrote: > >> Has anyone here ever tested FreeDOS on a Tandy 1000? I've been >> considering getting one for some software testing, but it occurred to me >> that its slight differences might not be compatible with FreeDOS. > >> Happy Hacking, > >> David E. McMackins II > > I researched Tandy and Tandy 1000 on Wikipedia. > > It looks pretty obsolete, and it would be difficult to impossible to find > compatible accessories such as keyboard, mouse, hard drive and other > peripherals. > > Even the floppy drive is not compatible with standard. > > If you already have a Tandy 1000 or can get one free, you can try FreeDOS, > you might have to modify a few things. > > Where would you get Tandy 1000 and parts at reasonable price, if at all? > > Raspberry Pi comes to mind, but that might not be suitable for DOS. > > Toe > > > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Tandy 1000 compatibility
Has anyone here ever tested FreeDOS on a Tandy 1000? I've been considering getting one for some software testing, but it occurred to me that its slight differences might not be compatible with FreeDOS. Happy Hacking, David E. McMackins II Supporting Member, Electronic Frontier Foundation (#2296972) Associate Member, Free Software Foundation (#12889) www.mcmackins.org www.delwink.com www.eff.org www.gnu.org www.fsf.org -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Global preferences for EDIT
What EDIT preferences would you want to set globally and have them always active? In my particular case, I always want full tabs (real tab characters) when I strike the tab key. I don't like how when I read a file with tabs, I am prompted to expand them into spaces. Happy Hacking, David E. McMackins II Supporting Member, Electronic Frontier Foundation (#2296972) Associate Member, Free Software Foundation (#12889) www.mcmackins.org www.delwink.com www.eff.org www.gnu.org www.fsf.org On 2018-07-16 10:28, dmccunney wrote: On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 8:18 AM David McMackins wrote: I would like to save my settings for EDIT in such a way that they take effect everywhere. Seems to me, when I choose to save, it puts a file in the current directory, and the settings only work when launching from that directory. The usual reason to have this behavior is because you want preferences to be specific to what you are editing. EDIT is being invoked from the %PATH%, with the directory you are in presumably where the file you are editing resides. Save your preferences, and when you edit the file again, they will be seen and used by EDIT. This way, you can have different preferences for different files you edit. What EDIT preferences would you want to set globally and have them always active? __ Dennis -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Global preferences for EDIT
I would like to save my settings for EDIT in such a way that they take effect everywhere. Seems to me, when I choose to save, it puts a file in the current directory, and the settings only work when launching from that directory. Is there a way to do this? Happy Hacking, David E. McMackins II Supporting Member, Electronic Frontier Foundation (#2296972) Associate Member, Free Software Foundation (#12889) www.mcmackins.org www.delwink.com www.eff.org www.gnu.org www.fsf.org -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Networking without ethernet?
I understand this. I guess my question was really: where can I get a packet driver that will communicate over my phone line instead of a typical NIC? Happy Hacking, David E. McMackins II Supporting Member, Electronic Frontier Foundation (#2296972) Associate Member, Free Software Foundation (#12889) www.mcmackins.org www.delwink.com www.eff.org www.gnu.org www.fsf.org On 2018-07-10 14:20, Mercury Thirteen via Freedos-user wrote: Afaik, TCP/IP interfaces to a packet driver, which then works directly with the NIC. It shouldn't matter over which medium you're ultimately communicating, as long as it presents the packet interface which TCP/IP expects. Sent from ProtonMail mobile Original Message On Jul 10, 2018, 1:23 PM, David McMackins < cont...@mcmackins.org> wrote: Even if I did, that doesn't answer my question. Even if I get connected to dial-up, will TCP/IP applications still work, or will they complain about drivers since they are trying to access a NIC? Happy Hacking, David E. McMackins II Supporting Member, Electronic Frontier Foundation (#2296972) Associate Member, Free Software Foundation (#12889) www.mcmackins.org [1]">www.mcmackins.org [1] www.delwink.com [2]">www.delwink.com [2] www.eff.org [3]">www.eff.org [3] www.gnu.org [4]">www.gnu.org [4] www.fsf.org [5]">www.fsf.org [5] On 2018-07-10 12:17, Louis Santillan wrote: Have you tried setting up a Linux box as a dial-up server? [0] [0] https://www.howtoforge.com/linux_dialin_server [6]">https://www.howtoforge.com/linux_dialin_server [7] [8] On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 9:10 PM David McMackins wrote: I have a 1998 Sony Vaio running FreeDOS. This model did not include an ethernet controller (or wlan), but it does have an old modem in it. I've been going through the networking guide referred to by Rugxulo, and I got down to running NICSCAN.EXE only to realize *oops!* this computer doesn't even have an ethernet card. Supposing I could find a working phone line and dial-up service to connect the modem to, is there hope of using TCP/IP applications like wget over it using the software available to me? Happy Hacking, David E. McMackins II Supporting Member, Electronic Frontier Foundation (#2296972) Associate Member, Free Software Foundation (#12889) www.mcmackins.org [1]">www.mcmackins.org [1] [1] www.delwink.com [2]">www.delwink.com [2] [2] www.eff.org [3]">www.eff.org [3] [3] www.gnu.org [4]">www.gnu.org [4] [4] www.fsf.org [5]">www.fsf.org [5] [5] -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot [8]">http://sdm.link/slashdot [9]">http://sdm.link/slashdot [10]">http://sdm.link/slashdot [9]">http://sdm.link/slashdot [9]">http://sdm.link/slashdot [9]">http://sdm.link/slashdot [10]">http://sdm.link/slashdot [9] [6] ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user [11]">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user [12]">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user [13]">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user [12]">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user [12]">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user [12]">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user [13]">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user [12] [7] Links: -- [1] http://www.mcmackins.org [1]">www.mcmackins.org [1] [2] http://www.delwink.com [2]">www.delwink.com [2] [3] http://www.eff.org [3]">www.eff.org [3] [4] http://www.gnu.org [4]">www.gnu.org [4] [5] http://www.fsf.org [5]">www.fsf.org [5] [6] http://sdm.link/slashdot [8]">http://sdm.link/slashdot [9]">http://sdm.link/slashdot [10]">http://sdm.link/slashdot [9]">http://sdm.link/slashdot [9]">http://sdm.link/slashdot [9]">http://sdm.link/slashdot [10]">http://sdm.link/slashdot [9] [7] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user [11]">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user [12]">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user [13]">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user [12]">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user [12]">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user [12]">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user [13]">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user [12] [8] https://www.howtoforge.com/linux_dialin_server [6]">https
Re: [Freedos-user] Networking without ethernet?
Even if I did, that doesn't answer my question. Even if I get connected to dial-up, will TCP/IP applications still work, or will they complain about drivers since they are trying to access a NIC? Happy Hacking, David E. McMackins II Supporting Member, Electronic Frontier Foundation (#2296972) Associate Member, Free Software Foundation (#12889) www.mcmackins.org www.delwink.com www.eff.org www.gnu.org www.fsf.org On 2018-07-10 12:17, Louis Santillan wrote: Have you tried setting up a Linux box as a dial-up server? [0] [0] https://www.howtoforge.com/linux_dialin_server [8] On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 9:10 PM David McMackins wrote: I have a 1998 Sony Vaio running FreeDOS. This model did not include an ethernet controller (or wlan), but it does have an old modem in it. I've been going through the networking guide referred to by Rugxulo, and I got down to running NICSCAN.EXE only to realize *oops!* this computer doesn't even have an ethernet card. Supposing I could find a working phone line and dial-up service to connect the modem to, is there hope of using TCP/IP applications like wget over it using the software available to me? Happy Hacking, David E. McMackins II Supporting Member, Electronic Frontier Foundation (#2296972) Associate Member, Free Software Foundation (#12889) www.mcmackins.org [1] www.delwink.com [2] www.eff.org [3] www.gnu.org [4] www.fsf.org [5] -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot [6] ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user [7] Links: -- [1] http://www.mcmackins.org [2] http://www.delwink.com [3] http://www.eff.org [4] http://www.gnu.org [5] http://www.fsf.org [6] http://sdm.link/slashdot [7] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user [8] https://www.howtoforge.com/linux_dialin_server -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Networking without ethernet?
I have a 1998 Sony Vaio running FreeDOS. This model did not include an ethernet controller (or wlan), but it does have an old modem in it. I've been going through the networking guide referred to by Rugxulo, and I got down to running NICSCAN.EXE only to realize *oops!* this computer doesn't even have an ethernet card. Supposing I could find a working phone line and dial-up service to connect the modem to, is there hope of using TCP/IP applications like wget over it using the software available to me? Happy Hacking, David E. McMackins II Supporting Member, Electronic Frontier Foundation (#2296972) Associate Member, Free Software Foundation (#12889) www.mcmackins.org www.delwink.com www.eff.org www.gnu.org www.fsf.org -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Please remove me from your mail list. No longer active. Thanks
Hi, Tony. I'm not on the mailing list staff, but you can unsubscribe here: https://sourceforge.net/projects/freedos/lists/freedos-user/unsubscribe Happy Hacking, David E. McMackins II Supporting Member, Electronic Frontier Foundation (#2296972) Associate Member, Free Software Foundation (#12889) www.mcmackins.org www.delwink.com www.eff.org www.gnu.org www.fsf.org On 07/01/2018 09:10 AM, Tony Mount wrote: > Please remove me from your mail list. No longer active. Thanks > > Tony Mount > > > -- > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] DISKCOPY to disk larger than image
You're right that dd just moves data. But the fact that by merely moving data it creates what appears to DOS to be a 720k file system that it can read and navigate correctly demonstrates that it's not a hardware problem. Happy Hacking, David E. McMackins II Supporting Member, Electronic Frontier Foundation (#2296972) Associate Member, Free Software Foundation (#12889) www.mcmackins.org www.delwink.com www.eff.org www.gnu.org www.fsf.org On 2018-06-29 09:18, geneb wrote: On Fri, 29 Jun 2018, David McMackins wrote: But if I use dd on my Linux box, DOS sees it as a 720k filesystem. It doesn't appear to be a hardware limitation. This seems like a software limitation or bug. The dd program doesn't care what the input or output is, it just moves the data. The DOS program is aborting because you're trying to stuff a 720k disk image on to 1.44M media - the software is smart enough to know that you can't do that. Get a 720k disk. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_! -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] DISKCOPY to disk larger than image
But if I use dd on my Linux box, DOS sees it as a 720k filesystem. It doesn't appear to be a hardware limitation. This seems like a software limitation or bug. Happy Hacking, David E. McMackins II Supporting Member, Electronic Frontier Foundation (#2296972) Associate Member, Free Software Foundation (#12889) www.mcmackins.org www.delwink.com www.eff.org www.gnu.org www.fsf.org On 2018-06-29 08:30, geneb wrote: On Fri, 29 Jun 2018, David McMackins wrote: DISKCOPY throws an error if I try to copy a 720k image to a 1.44M diskette. I couldn't find a flag that could do it. I tried setting the size to 720, but that threw a different error. You need to use 720k media. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_! -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] DISKCOPY to disk larger than image
DISKCOPY throws an error if I try to copy a 720k image to a 1.44M diskette. I couldn't find a flag that could do it. I tried setting the size to 720, but that threw a different error. Happy Hacking, David E. McMackins II Supporting Member, Electronic Frontier Foundation (#2296972) Associate Member, Free Software Foundation (#12889) www.mcmackins.org www.delwink.com www.eff.org www.gnu.org www.fsf.org -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] XMODEM-compatible terminal software
I managed to get a copy of MS-DOS Kermit. Think that'll work? Happy Hacking, David E. McMackins II Supporting Member, Electronic Frontier Foundation (#2296972) Associate Member, Free Software Foundation (#12889) www.mcmackins.org www.delwink.com www.eff.org www.gnu.org www.fsf.org On 06/28/2018 01:50 PM, geneb wrote: > On Thu, 28 Jun 2018, cont...@mcmackins.org wrote: > >> I see in the Utilities section there is a VT100 emulator, but from the >> readme it doesn't seem like it supports XMODEM-protocol data transfer. >> What software can I get for DOS that supports this? My purpose for >> this is serial communication with a TI-99/4A computer for purposes of >> file transfer, and the program that the TI folks recommend uses XMODEM >> for file transfer. >> > Grab a copy of Procomm, Telix, or QModem. > > g. > -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Connecting to a BBS via a modem
Is this related to the xtalk available in the Debian repository? Happy Hacking, David E. McMackins II Supporting Member, Electronic Frontier Foundation (#2296972) Associate Member, Free Software Foundation (#12889) www.mcmackins.org www.delwink.com www.eff.org www.gnu.org www.fsf.org On 04/13/2018 08:46 AM, Dale E Sterner wrote: > A really good one is xtalk; if you can find it. Procomm is also > good; if you can find it. Telex requires a password otherwise > it stops working after a few uses. Procomm is nice to look at > but xtalk is a little better. I wish someone would write an xtalk > clone extended to other ports - usb etc. Xtalk with usb would > be useful in testing ports. > > > cheers > DS > > > On Thu, 12 Apr 2018 17:37:49 -0500 David McMackins > <cont...@mcmackins.org> writes: >> I have a late 90s vintage laptop running FreeDOS, and I'd like to use >> it >> to connect to a BBS system directly over a phone line using its >> modem. >> Even if it turns out that this modem in particular won't work, I'd >> still >> like some help finding software for this. >> >> My cursory web search led me to a website that was last updated in >> 2001 >> and had broken links to the software. What software is available for >> DOS-compatible systems that will let me do this? I don't want to use >> some ethernet/wifi adapter to hack together a solution. I want the >> authentic experience. >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Happy Hacking, >> >> David E. McMackins II >> Supporting Member, Electronic Frontier Foundation (#2296972) >> Associate Member, Free Software Foundation (#12889) >> >> www.mcmackins.org www.delwink.com >> www.eff.org www.gnu.org www.fsf.org >> >> > - > - >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> ___ >> Freedos-user mailing list >> Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user >> > > > **>>>> > From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry > http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 > ***>>>> > > > Constant Fatigue Is A Warning Sign– Here's The Simple Fix > gundrymd.com > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5ad0c051f01f2405168a9st01duc > > > > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Connecting to a BBS via a modem
My laptop has a hardware modem, internal. It's a Pentium III machine, so I'm not sure what risks that may imply about it being a Winmodem I've heard such nasty things about. I will look into Net-Tamer and Procom. Telix was the software I had found the defunct website for. I'm not sure if I want to trust a mirror. As far as which BBSes are still alive, there exist directories for finding them, and they are apparently popular among people who are interested in vintage tech. A colleague of mine knows more. Happy Hacking, David E. McMackins II Supporting Member, Electronic Frontier Foundation (#2296972) Associate Member, Free Software Foundation (#12889) www.mcmackins.org www.delwink.com www.eff.org www.gnu.org www.fsf.org On 04/13/2018 12:12 AM, Thomas Mueller wrote: > from David McMackins: > >> I have a late 90s vintage laptop running FreeDOS, and I'd like to use it >> to connect to a BBS system directly over a phone line using its modem. >> Even if it turns out that this modem in particular won't work, I'd still >> like some help finding software for this. > >> My cursory web search led me to a website that was last updated in 2001 >> and had broken links to the software. What software is available for >> DOS-compatible systems that will let me do this? I don't want to use >> some ethernet/wifi adapter to hack together a solution. I want the >> authentic experience. > >> Thanks in advance. > >> Happy Hacking, > >> David E. McMackins II >> Supporting Member, Electronic Frontier Foundation (#2296972) >> Associate Member, Free Software Foundation (#12889) > > Karen Lewellen responded: > >> Let me be sure I understand the setup you have in place. >> You have a laptop with a modem, card or internal? that modem can connect to >> a phone line yes? You have dos drivers for the modem yes? >> Frankly I want to know which one. >> You wish to dial into a bbs service with this modem. >> Okay, three programs come to mind. >> Nettamer is likely the best because it has allot of structure. the edition >> you need will depend on the nature of your laptop, 386 486 Pentium etc. >> or 286 and less etc. >> I have both copies of nettamer so can share. >> there are two others, procom, and telix..I hope I have the last program name >> correct. >> I can direct you to places where those can be found as well. >> If you do not mind sharing the specifications of your machine, it will >> help. >> I am sure you know this, but you will need to know the com port and IRQ for >> the modem. > > I didn't think you needed specific DOS drivers to use a hardware modem. A > Winmodem is another matter, and nasty. > > I remember Net-Tamer made it difficult to setup with a modem having port > address of 4 hexadecimal digits, such as d800, because its setup form only > allowed 3 hex digits. > > A workaround was to use DEBUG to write the serial port address to lower > memory, but forget just where (somewhere around hex 0040?). > > But I never actually setup or used Net-Tamer, and time has long run out for > any prospect of my using Net-Tamer. > > But even if you can setup the modem, where do you find a BBS? Haven't they > all disappeared with the advent and expansion of the Internet? > > I remember back in 1997 seeing an online list of BBSes, and more than half > were no good or no longer valid. > > For software, there is also Kermit, developed at Columbia University and now > at > http://www.kermitproject.org/ > > Some links that you might find relevant are (copied and pasted) > > > The Zip files containing all the files, both text and binary, is here: > > ftp://ftp.kermitproject.org/kermit/archives/bbc146.zip (via FTP) > http:://www.kermitproject.org/ftp/kermit/archives/bbc146.zip (via HTTP) > > It seems to me there should be one colon and not two following "http". > > Tom > > > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Connecting to a BBS via a modem
I have a late 90s vintage laptop running FreeDOS, and I'd like to use it to connect to a BBS system directly over a phone line using its modem. Even if it turns out that this modem in particular won't work, I'd still like some help finding software for this. My cursory web search led me to a website that was last updated in 2001 and had broken links to the software. What software is available for DOS-compatible systems that will let me do this? I don't want to use some ethernet/wifi adapter to hack together a solution. I want the authentic experience. Thanks in advance. Happy Hacking, David E. McMackins II Supporting Member, Electronic Frontier Foundation (#2296972) Associate Member, Free Software Foundation (#12889) www.mcmackins.org www.delwink.com www.eff.org www.gnu.org www.fsf.org -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] SSH - unsupported remote protocol version
On 12/31/2017 10:47 AM, Robert Riebisch wrote:
> From SSHDOS source code:
> ###
>if(remote_major != 1 && remote_minor == 0)
> fatal("Unsupported remote protocol version\n");
> ###
What a weird check. So version 2.1 would work? Shouldn't the check be
if (!(remote_major == 1 && remote_minor == 0))
?
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Re: [Freedos-user] Installation
Hi Ralf I've tried 2 ways; 1) I downloaded the 'CDROM standard installer' and created a cd frok that. I tried to install on machine that it didn't matter if it over wrote the existing OS or bootloader but it produced errors in the install process and locked up. 2) to use it on main computer I downloaded the 'Boot floppy' version to create a bootable CD. Neither Windows or Linus will write this image to a CD. Windows (7) says it is not a valid ISO and Linux just doesn't other the CD as a valid location to write to. I have had problems with writing ISO images before and windows saying they are not valid ISO images. I can write this image to a SD card but this errors on boot. Any help would be appreciated. Kind regards David On 11/07/17 18:10, Ralf Quint wrote: On 7/11/2017 9:45 AM, David wrote: Hi. I can't seem to get FreeDOS to install or create a boot disk. I've downloaded the create a boot disk image from the website but when I try to burn a cd windows says it is not a valid ISO file. Linus doen't seem to want burn a disk from it either but will write to SD card but this gives a boot error. What am I going wrong? Hard to tell with out a magic crystal ball. Please be more precise in telling us exactly which image you downloaded and exactly which steps you are taking to burn it to a CD. Then we might have a chance ti figure out at exactly which step you went astray... Ralf <https://www.avast.com/en-us/lp-safe-emailing-3176-b?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient_term=oa-3176-b> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/en-us/lp-safe-emailing-3176-b?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient_term=oa-3176-b> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Installation
Hi. I can't seem to get FreeDOS to install or create a boot disk. I've downloaded the create a boot disk image from the website but when I try to burn a cd windows says it is not a valid ISO file. Linus doen't seem to want burn a disk from it either but will write to SD card but this gives a boot error. What am I going wrong? David -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Rolling up from 1.1?
From: David McMackins <cont...@mcmackins.org> Call me a noob, but is there a preferred way to upgrade from FreeDOS 1.1 to 1.2 while keeping configurations intact? I haven't personally loaded the new installer yet, but I wanted to check before I tried, since my FreeDOS installation is on real hardware. Happy Hacking, David E. McMackins II Associate Member, Free Software Foundation (#12889) Life Member, National Rifle Association of America (#226579338) www.mcmackins.org www.delwink.com www.gnu.org www.fsf.org -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --- Internet Rex 2.29 * Origin: capcity2.synchro.net - 502/875-8938 (276:10/901) --- Synchronet 3.15a-Linux ListGate 1.3 * Capitol City Online - Frankfort, KY - telnet://capitolcityonline.net -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Rolling up from 1.1?
Call me a noob, but is there a preferred way to upgrade from FreeDOS 1.1 to 1.2 while keeping configurations intact? I haven't personally loaded the new installer yet, but I wanted to check before I tried, since my FreeDOS installation is on real hardware. Happy Hacking, David E. McMackins II Associate Member, Free Software Foundation (#12889) Life Member, National Rifle Association of America (#226579338) www.mcmackins.org www.delwink.com www.gnu.org www.fsf.org -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Playing infocom games
For those of you who like to play Infocom games on DOS, please use Frotz 2.40. The latest version crashes randomly on DOS. I'm working on the problem. Any assistance is welcome because right now I'm mainly interested in getting audio output on Unix working all the way. -- David Griffith dgri...@cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Doing #include foo.h in Turbo C
It has been a long time since I've used the Turbo C 3.0 IDE and I'm stumped on something very basic. I'm trying to figure out how to get an existing project into the IDE. I've already figured out how to create a .PRJ file, but when I go to build the project, the compiler can't find any of my header files that are included with quotes around them (as opposed to angle brackets for system includes). I've been previously compiling this project using a Makefile without the assistance of the IDE, but now that I have a bug to track down, I need to use the IDE. What option am I missing that allows the IDE to know where to get include files specified with quotes? -- David Griffith dgri...@cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Doing #include foo.h in Turbo C
On Sun, 24 May 2015, Ralf Quint wrote: On 5/24/2015 5:33 PM, David Griffith wrote: It has been a long time since I've used the Turbo C 3.0 IDE and I'm stumped on something very basic. I'm trying to figure out how to get an existing project into the IDE. I've already figured out how to create a .PRJ file, but when I go to build the project, the compiler can't find any of my header files that are included with quotes around them (as opposed to angle brackets for system includes). I've been previously compiling this project using a Makefile without the assistance of the IDE, but now that I have a bug to track down, I need to use the IDE. What option am I missing that allows the IDE to know where to get include files specified with quotes? Not much info to go by but in general, you need to be aware that there is (always has been) a difference if you specify the include file with #include foo.h or with #include foo.h The later will look first in the source file path for the include file, then in the include path as set in the IDE Options-Directories, while the former will look only in the include path and not look in the source path... I'm well aware of the distinction between foo.h and foo.h. My problem is that with the Turbo C IDE, it just says that it can't find foo.h, even though foo.h is in the same directory as main.c. If I build using a Makefile, this isn't a problem. -- David Griffith dgri...@cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Infocom-style games for DOS
On Wed, 20 May 2015, Mateusz Viste wrote: Good news is that Frotz v2.32 works fine. I played the Lost Pig game for about 20 minutes and I didn't experienced any crash. My guess is that you have a fishy memory usage in newer versions of frotz - following an invalid pointer, or writing to non-allocated memory, or so... good luck :) I guess my next step is to bring one of my older machines home, clean it up, install FreeDOS, and get to work with Turbo C++'s debugger. Can anyone offer any explanation why a program would run fine in DOSbox and crash on real hardware? -- David Griffith dgri...@cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Infocom-style games for DOS
On Thu, 21 May 2015, Ralf Quint wrote: On 5/21/2015 1:04 AM, David Griffith wrote: I guess my next step is to bring one of my older machines home, clean it up, install FreeDOS, and get to work with Turbo C++'s debugger. Can anyone offer any explanation why a program would run fine in DOSbox and crash on real hardware? DOSBox is actually pretty bad in terms of DOS emulation and hardware, unless it comes to sound or video cards. It simply by catch this bug with an exception instead of crashing... And I agree with Mateusz that just using a DJGPP version doesn't make any sense, it might just do the same thing, rather catch the error and proceed rather than crap out. Is there a way to save the game progress, so someone else could try it on different hardware? What do you mean by saving the game progress? All Z-machine implemenations allow you to save your progress. Or are you looking for a a memory dump of the machine? I have just confirmed that Frotz 2.44 under FreeDOS 1.1 in Virtualbox will crash when playing Lost Pig or Uninvited, but not Shadowgate. I have a vague suspicion that the problem might be related to the zcode file size or how memory is provided to the Z-machine VM. Here: -rw-r--r-- 1 dave dave 285184 Apr 6 2008 LostPig.z8 -rw-r--r-- 1 dave dave 186880 May 21 18:36 sgate.z5 -rw-r--r-- 1 dave dave 239104 May 21 18:37 uninvited.z5 I also made it crash with Infocom's Sherlock. The FROTZ that appears in the crash message is from the filename of the executable. If I rename it to FOO.EXE, the crash message will contain FOO. -- David Griffith dgri...@cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Infocom-style games for DOS
On Tue, 19 May 2015, Mateusz Viste wrote: Hello David, First of all thanks for still caring about DOS in 2015, and on top of that, caring about how your app works on real hardware :) I tested the version of frotz you submitted to us, and I must disappoint you - it's buggy. I tested it using the Lost Pig game from the gopher repo you pointed. My PC is a 486DX4 running at 75 MHz, with 24M of RAM and no sound card. The game is loaded all right, I see the introduction text, and I can type in a few commands, but after a dozen commands, the program crashes horribly. I tried a few times, and it doesn't crash on any specific command, just after a few of them (always more than 3, always less than 10). Here is a screenshot of what happens: http://s27.postimg.org/xu9k4nywz/frotz_lost_pig.jpg Oh dear. Could you try a couple other games and some other versions of Frotz? Versions 2.43 and 2.32 for DOS are available at the IF Archive at http://ifarchive.org/if-archive/infocom/interpreters/frotz/frotz243.zip and http://ifarchive.org/if-archive/infocom/interpreters/old/frotz/DosFrotz232Std10.zip -- David Griffith dgri...@cs.csubak.edu -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Infocom-style games for DOS
I'm the one who maintains and develops Frotz these days, a program that emulates the Z-machine[1] for modern computers. I worked to make sure the old DOS interface code works with the current core code. Release 2.44 is coming up Really Soon Now and I was wondering if I could get some of you to check it out on real hardware. It was compiled with Turbo C++ 3.0 for 16-bit DOS. You can get the binary at http://661.org/if/frotz244.zip. The source code is at https://github.com/DavidGriffith/frotz. Games to play can be found at http://ifarchive.org/ (or gopher://gopher.feedle.net/1/if-archive/) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z-machine -- David Griffith dgri...@cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? -- One dashboard for servers and applications across Physical-Virtual-Cloud Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable Insights Deep dive visibility with transaction tracing using APM Insight. http://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/290420510;117567292;y ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] For what architectures is FreeDOS designed?
On 11/24/2014 7:57 PM, Ralf Quint wrote: On 11/24/2014 11:08 AM, Carl Spitzer wrote: Isn't the Z80 what the Space Shuttle and space Telescope used until the last decade. I seem to remember my old RS-4P was a Z80 chip. CWSIV Nope, the Space Shuttle's main computer was from IBM, based on a radiation-hardened version of a 32bit System/360 type CPU (just Google APA-101S) I had thought the space shuttle ran on a hardened version of a 386? And if you refer with space telescope to Hubble, that uses special radiation hardened version of the Intel 80486... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Playing AIFF in DOS
I got the files, but not the source code, which is what I'm primarily after. On Tue, 29 Oct 2013, Karen Lewellen wrote: Hi David, I will send both files to you as an attachment. the text file should be no issue. However some services do not allow .exe files to come through. I am doing them one at a time so you can tell me if the program file is missing. Karen On Tue, 29 Oct 2013, David Griffith wrote: On Tue, 29 Oct 2013, Karen Lewellen wrote: On Tue, 29 Oct 2013, David Griffith wrote: Does anyone here know of any good C code for playing AIFF files under DOS? I'm trying to get DOS Frotz modernized, so to speak. I cannot speak for your computer, what you have chosen for sound how you configure it. Still I know of two programs that will manage the format, a favorite mine actually. first playany, very small audio player includes .aif as its options. if you cannot find it let me know and i can send you a copy. your card must be findable though, with your setting up the program with your specific paramadors. second, mpxplay I have used it to play .aif files for the past three of four editions. The last one in 2012 is a bit buggy from a pure dos dos standpoint, but it can dot the job. I tried mpxplay, but I cannot divine the simple single-purpose code that I need. Please send me a copy of playany. I keep getting lots of irrelevant hits, mostly in Russian. -- David Griffith dgri...@cs.csubak.edu -- Android is increasing in popularity, but the open development platform that developers love is also attractive to malware creators. Download this white paper to learn more about secure code signing practices that can help keep Android apps secure. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=65839951iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Android is increasing in popularity, but the open development platform that developers love is also attractive to malware creators. Download this white paper to learn more about secure code signing practices that can help keep Android apps secure. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=65839951iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- David Griffith dgri...@cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? -- Android is increasing in popularity, but the open development platform that developers love is also attractive to malware creators. Download this white paper to learn more about secure code signing practices that can help keep Android apps secure. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=65839951iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Playing AIFF in DOS
Does anyone here know of any good C code for playing AIFF files under DOS? I'm trying to get DOS Frotz modernized, so to speak. -- David Griffith dgri...@cs.csubak.edu -- Android is increasing in popularity, but the open development platform that developers love is also attractive to malware creators. Download this white paper to learn more about secure code signing practices that can help keep Android apps secure. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=65839951iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Playing AIFF in DOS
On Tue, 29 Oct 2013, Karen Lewellen wrote: On Tue, 29 Oct 2013, David Griffith wrote: Does anyone here know of any good C code for playing AIFF files under DOS? I'm trying to get DOS Frotz modernized, so to speak. I cannot speak for your computer, what you have chosen for sound how you configure it. Still I know of two programs that will manage the format, a favorite mine actually. first playany, very small audio player includes .aif as its options. if you cannot find it let me know and i can send you a copy. your card must be findable though, with your setting up the program with your specific paramadors. second, mpxplay I have used it to play .aif files for the past three of four editions. The last one in 2012 is a bit buggy from a pure dos dos standpoint, but it can dot the job. I tried mpxplay, but I cannot divine the simple single-purpose code that I need. Please send me a copy of playany. I keep getting lots of irrelevant hits, mostly in Russian. -- David Griffith dgri...@cs.csubak.edu -- Android is increasing in popularity, but the open development platform that developers love is also attractive to malware creators. Download this white paper to learn more about secure code signing practices that can help keep Android apps secure. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=65839951iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Atomiks - retro remake of Atomix (Win32 versions works under DOS w/ HXRT + HXGUI)
-Original Message- From: Rugxulo [mailto:rugx...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 3:14 PM To: Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS. Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Atomiks - retro remake of Atomix (Win32 versions works under DOS w/ HXRT + HXGUI) ... A quick search shows that MinGW-64 has builds of SDL also. While I (begrudgingly) have Win64 and MinGW-64, I've not done any Windows-specific programming. So I could (in theory) try building it for you one of these days, if deathly desired, but I don't see how useful it would be (for an app not needing 64-bit advantages). Who knows, maybe you just want to see how uber portable it is or deploy to certain machines (servers?) lacking the 32-bit WoW layer. Even the latest Windows server 2008 R2 runs 32-bit software with no issues. If it will run on Win7, it will run on Server 2008. ... D -- Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O'Reilly Book Graph Databases is the definitive new guide to graph databases and their applications. This 200-page book is written by three acclaimed leaders in the field. The early access version is available now. Download your free book today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/neotech_d2d_may ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] if not exist? / Garbo's TSBAT
-Original Message- From: Rugxulo [mailto:rugx...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 12:24 AM To: Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS. Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] if not exist? / Garbo's TSBAT Hi, On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 6:40 PM, dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Ray Davison ray...@charter.net wrote: Is there something like this in FD? IF NOT EXIST X:\ZZZ MD X:\ZZZ Everything in front of the MD is ignored, and there is an error if X:\ZZZ does exist. IF NOT EXIST X:\ZZZ\NUL MD X:\ZZZ should do what you want. For completeness (though someone correct me if I'm remembering incorrectly), this hack is a typical DOS idiom, but ... 1). It doesn't work under WinXP's CMD.EXE (etc.) 2). DR-DOS' shell prefers direxist 3). 4DOS supports both direxist and isdir I don't know about DR-DOS or 4DOS, but this DOES work in Windows XP and Windows 7. It's just not necessary, because IF EXISTS works for directories with or without the \NUL on the end. D -- Free Next-Gen Firewall Hardware Offer Buy your Sophos next-gen firewall before the end March 2013 and get the hardware for free! Learn more. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sophos-d2d-feb ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos V2.0 - when will it be available?
DOS apps will run under Win7 32-bit, but not 64-bit. -Original Message- From: dmccunney [mailto:dennis.mccun...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 11:37 AM To: Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS. Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos V2.0 - when will it be available? On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 12:10 AM, dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com wrote: Like I said, Win2k / XP aren't that bad, though they have quite a few catches and omissions. It gets worse later on, but it depends on whether you think the tradeoff is worth it (or have the time, patience, knowledge, desire to bother trying to install older stuff and accept incomplete functionality). XP works fine here. 2K works fine on an older box that doesn't have the RAM to properly run XP. I avoided Vista, but Win7 works well on the SOs laptop. The issues here haven't been whether something runs - it's been UI changes, and figuring out where MS put a particular function in the new version, because you don't get to it like you did before. (DOS apps don't run at all under Win7, unless you use a VM, but I found a version that does of the only DOS app the SO used - a DOS port of the old Unix game Larn.) I din't care about DOS compatibility - the DOS stuff I used all ran fine in an NTVDM. Trust me, it's not as perfect as it seems, though yes, for what it does, it does fairly well. I didn't say it was perfect. I said it worked for me. Like I said elsewhere, it ran all the DOS stuff *I* used with no problem so I essentially didn't *care*. That's more of a coincidence (or your minimal needs) than a true testament to compatibility. Simply put, most people didn't care anymore or preferred heavier APIs, but having an incomplete / half-broken subsystem doesn't help them stay firm either. Yes. So? I freely admit NTVDM and DOS compatibility leave somewhat to be desired, and there will be stuff that doesn't run or will have problems. I don't care, because it works for what I do with it. Granted, perhaps DOS native binaries aren't the easiest or greatest things to lug around for ages, but I don't know of a true universal solution. Scripts? (Lua?) Bytecode? (Inferno?) We probably shouldn't have separate binaries for every single x86 OS, but for some people, source compatibility is good enough. Too bad they make so many horrible assumptions in the process. There's no such thing as a true universal solution. (But then, how many folks *need* one? Most folks either just run one platform, or don't *expect* to have the same programs available everywhere. The folks most interested will be *developers* trying to target multiple platforms.) The closest is a Write once, run anywhere solution like Java. Code is compiled to a tokenized binary targeted at an arbitrary virtual machine implemented by the Java runtime. If there *is* a Java runtime for what you have, the code will run on it. Java runtimes exist for almost everything. (You still have to be aware of various issues - it's possible to write non-portable code in Java.) You lug about DOS native binaries and deal with compatibility issues because you either haven't found anything else that will do the same job, or there is something but you would rather deal with the issues than switch. One interesting trend is wider use of scripting, because current hardware can run script languages fast enough to make them competitive with other languages. I'm seeing an increasing amount of stuff written in Python, which is available for Windows, Linux, and OS/X, using widget libraries like Qt so it largely looks and acts the same on any supported platform. __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- Master Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL, ASP.NET, C# 2012, HTML5, CSS, MVC, Windows 8 Apps, JavaScript and much more. Keep your skills current with LearnDevNow - 3,200 step-by-step video tutorials by Microsoft MVPs and experts. ON SALE this month only -- learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_122712 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Master HTML5, CSS3, ASP.NET, MVC, AJAX, Knockout.js, Web API and much more. Get web development skills now with LearnDevNow - 350+ hours of step-by-step video tutorials by Microsoft MVPs and experts. SALE $99.99 this month only -- learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_122812 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos V2.0 - when will it be available?
-Original Message- From: Rugxulo [mailto:rugx...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:54 AM To: Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS. Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos V2.0 - when will it be available? Hi, On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 1:49 PM, dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 2:36 PM, David C. Kerber dker...@warrenrogersassociates.com wrote: From: dmccunney [mailto:dennis.mccun...@gmail.com] On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote: I thought WinME removed the real mode bootup, hence lower compatibility? Don't have it and haven't used it, so don't know. Everything I've heard indicates it should have been called Win98 Third Edition. I'm pretty sure there was still DOS underneath like in ME. Removing the real mode loader didn't occur till NT. Win NT4 significantly pre-dated Win 98; it came out in about '96. Many people feel WinME was one of the worst pieces of software ever written, while 98SE was very good. Win2k was the best, IMO. I don't know about that. Win2k was more stable, but it was also bigger, slower, and had worse DOS compatibility. And lots of bugs. But it was better for Win32 stuff, esp. Unicode. Yet barely anything still supports it nowadays. I'm surprised (but glad) people still target XP (which is both slightly better and worse than 2k in various ways). Win2K was dramatically faster than any Win9x OS for 32-bit software, though probably slower for 16-bit windows apps (though I hardly ever used any of them). It was very fast for straight DOS apps like dBASE, but I never ran any controlled benchmarks against 9x on those. I ran NT4 back then, but as a server OS in a computer room. It was not an end-user product. It took Win2K for sufficient compatibility (like the ability to use FAT32) to make it a usable end user OS. NT 4.0 didn't support DOS LFNs (int 21h, 71xxh) nor FAT32. Though I don't see how that's a huge deal breaker, no worse than all the other compatibility problems forced on us. Also, FAT32 isn't supported very much anymore, esp. Vista on up can't boot from it, so I'm not sure support for it is here for much longer. (With exFAT and ReFS, who knows?) 98SE was certainly an improvement over prior Win9X releases. I ran it longer than I really wanted because I was waiting for drivers for peripherals I used to arrive. When I finally had them all, I switched to 2K in a heartbeat. Despite my best efforts, 98SE reached the point where I was rebooting multiple times per day to be able to get things done. Win2K just ran, and got rebooted only if I installed software that required it or I was fiddling with hardware. Yes, it's more stable, but it doesn't run a lot of DOS stuff nearly as well as 9x. Granted, it was good enough for most things (more or less), but that support only got worse and worse, esp. with Vista. I don't know, some people don't mind recompiling all their apps (or just use popular GNU utils that are ported everywhere), but it seems unnecessary. We shouldn't have so much deprecation every few years. (I don't care how old or uncool, it just works, so why break it?) -- Master Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL, ASP.NET, C# 2012, HTML5, CSS, MVC, Windows 8 Apps, JavaScript and much more. Keep your skills current with LearnDevNow - 3,200 step-by-step video tutorials by Microsoft MVPs and experts. ON SALE this month only -- learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_122712 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Master Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL, ASP.NET, C# 2012, HTML5, CSS, MVC, Windows 8 Apps, JavaScript and much more. Keep your skills current with LearnDevNow - 3,200 step-by-step video tutorials by Microsoft MVPs and experts. ON SALE this month only -- learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_122712 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos V2.0 - when will it be available?
-Original Message- From: dmccunney [mailto:dennis.mccun...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 12:05 PM To: Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS. Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos V2.0 - when will it be available? On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 3:38 AM, dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 2:32 AM, Michael Robinson plu...@robinson-west.com wrote: A protected mode dos like the one under Windows 9x and Windows ME could be interesting and would justifiably deserve a different name I wouldn't call that a protected mode DOS. Win98/ME used DOS as a real mode loader for Windows. The protected mode portions were in the Windows code, and once Windows was loaded, DOS was out of the loop. I thought WinME removed the real mode bootup, hence lower compatibility? Don't have it and haven't used it, so don't know. Everything I've heard indicates it should have been called Win98 Third Edition. I'm pretty sure there was still DOS underneath like in ME. Removing the real mode loader didn't occur till NT. Win NT4 significantly pre-dated Win 98; it came out in about '96. Many people feel WinME was one of the worst pieces of software ever written, while 98SE was very good. Win2k was the best, IMO. Anyways, sure it preempted various DOS things, but other parts were still used behind the scenes. It probably just switched modes a lot (similar to DOS extenders). Indeed, I don't think it would run without DOS, even if you did manage (somehow) to bootup without it. Might not, but the question is what DOS actually did under it. Memory and process management would all be on the Win side. DOS might get involved in file system access, but I'm not sure I see why. The same sort of thing could be done native from Windows instead of passed through DOS. Gates made some very bad assumptions ... nobody will ever need more than 640k of memory for executable programs and drivers... That wasn't a Gates decision, it was an IBM decision. The 8088 CPU used by the original PC had a one megabyte address space. Rumor is that IBM wanted 512 kb limit but MS complained! So we should be grateful! ;-) snort Tim Paterson successfully used the full MB of RAM on his original 8088 clones. Even MS had some of those machines for a long time so that they could link the[ir] linker. Besides, you could still use more (kinda sorta) via EMS. It was many years before extended RAM was cheap and common enough for software to be useful over 1 MB. EMS used a 64KB page frame located in the block between 640K and 1MB, and paged memory above 1MB into it for use. My old XT clone had an AST 6Pak card with 1MB EMS. I used the AST drivers to create a 512KB RAMdisk and a 256KB disk cache. AUTOEXEC.BAT loaded a few constantly used things to the RAMdisk and made the RAMdisk first in the %PATH%, and things that could be told where to create temp files were pointed there. Sped things up a treat. I also had a freeware utility that could grab up to 96K of unused video memory above 540K and map that to DOS. I had 64K available, because I used a Hercules card, so DOS booting thinking I had 704K. Given that you have a megabyte available, total, and some *will* need to be reserved for the system, where *do* you draw the line? Tegra 2 reserved part of its total RAM (address space) for the graphics. A lot of other integrated chips / SoCs or whatever do too. Yeah, but they're all 32 bit processors, which is a whole different thing, This is also why XP (32-bit) allegedly can only use 3.1 GB of RAM. Not just allegedly. See Mark Russinovitch's explanation of the underlying issues in his blog series: http://blogs.technet.com/b/markrussinovich/archive/2008/07/21/ 3092070.aspx On my desktop, I have 4GB RAM, but XP can only use about 3.2MB of it. I found a freeware RAMdisk driver that can use the RAM XP can't see, and have a 763MB RAMdisk seen as Z:, with a compressed NTFS file system. I do things like run Firefox from it. There are always hardcoded limits in everything, it's unavoidable. The question is where they are. Actually, there is OS/2 which was supposed to be the competitor to Windows 9x and I'll bet that IBM is willing to release source code to it. Maybe the freedos community should get it's hands on OS/2 and develop it further. If IBM is willing to release code, that's news to me. No, they've said at least twice, very openly, that they will never do so. Besides, lots of the code is copyrighted by MS still (due to the 1.x co-development), so that makes it all the more complicated. IBM just suggests people migrate to Linux and/or Java these days. It would be lovely if they did open source it, but stuff like MS's participation in the original development
Re: [Freedos-user] old machines
On 12/28/2012 2:30 PM, dmccunney wrote: On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 7:23 AM, kurt godel wb2...@gmail.com wrote: XP2 will run in as little as 100 mb. I'll assume you've done so and will take your word for it, but I'm assuming a flexible definition of run. How long did it take to boot? What could you do under it once it had? It likely boots much faster than a normal desktop because you get the memory usage down by turning off unneeded services and devices which take time to start up. We sell an industrial data collection machine based on XP that runs in about 80MB of allocated memory. We turn off the server service, themes and a couple others, along with unneeded devices, and have only tcpip v4 networking enabled. Doing a warm reboot takes about 20 sec IIRC from the time I click shutdown to the time it's back up taking data again. It still is manageable remotely with either remote desktop or pcanywhere, and runs 3 applications simultaneously that do our functionality, and send out the data in a continuous stream over the internet. The applications do have GUIs, though they are quite simple, being mainly status displays. __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- Master HTML5, CSS3, ASP.NET, MVC, AJAX, Knockout.js, Web API and much more. Get web development skills now with LearnDevNow - 350+ hours of step-by-step video tutorials by Microsoft MVPs and experts. SALE $99.99 this month only -- learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_122812 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Master Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL, ASP.NET, C# 2012, HTML5, CSS, MVC, Windows 8 Apps, JavaScript and much more. Keep your skills current with LearnDevNow - 3,200 step-by-step video tutorials by Microsoft MVPs and experts. SALE $99.99 this month only -- learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_122912 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] old machines
On 12/29/2012 1:31 PM, dmccunney wrote: On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 1:09 PM, David Kerber dker...@warrenrogersassociates.com wrote: On 12/28/2012 2:30 PM, dmccunney wrote: On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 7:23 AM, kurt godel wb2...@gmail.com wrote: XP2 will run in as little as 100 mb. I'll assume you've done so and will take your word for it, but I'm assuming a flexible definition of run. How long did it take to boot? What could you do under it once it had? It likely boots much faster than a normal desktop because you get the memory usage down by turning off unneeded services and devices which take time to start up. We sell an industrial data collection machine based on XP that runs in about 80MB of allocated memory. We turn off the server service, themes and a couple others, along with unneeded devices, and have only tcpip v4 networking enabled. Doing a warm reboot takes about 20 sec IIRC from the time I click shutdown to the time it's back up taking data again. It still is manageable remotely with either remote desktop or pcanywhere, and runs 3 applications simultaneously that do our functionality, and send out the data in a continuous stream over the internet. The applications do have GUIs, though they are quite simple, being mainly status displays. Sweet. I've done a fair bit of optimizing memory usage in 2K and XP by pruning stuff run on startup and closing down unneeded services, but I've never gotten RAM usage that low because I was configuring a general purpose machine, not a dedicated one. (The XP box I'm posting from at the moment takes about 270MB for XP itself from a standing start. I could prune that more if I had to, but it would mean compromises I'd rather not make, and since the box has 1.5GB RAM, I don't have to.) Yep, that's about as low as I've gotten a general purpose XP desktop as well, ~250MB or so, including an antivirus. Along those lines, a chap on the Puppy Linux forums got a working Puppy installation in 16MB RAM. To do so, he had to take out everything that *could* be removed and still have a working bootable Linux image, and he had to actually build the image on a more powerful machine, then transfer the drive to the ancient target system, The end result was a dedicated media server that performed the intended function on a box with 16MB RAM that he had lying around and wanted to use. Now that's cool. I've never tried puppy linux, but I have heard it's good for that kind of application. __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- Master Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL, ASP.NET, C# 2012, HTML5, CSS, MVC, Windows 8 Apps, JavaScript and much more. Keep your skills current with LearnDevNow - 3,200 step-by-step video tutorials by Microsoft MVPs and experts. SALE $99.99 this month only -- learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_122912 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Master Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL, ASP.NET, C# 2012, HTML5, CSS, MVC, Windows 8 Apps, JavaScript and much more. Keep your skills current with LearnDevNow - 3,200 step-by-step video tutorials by Microsoft MVPs and experts. SALE $99.99 this month only -- learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_122912 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] hard drive question?
-Original Message- From: Single Stage to Orbit [mailto:alex.bu...@munted.eu] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:12 PM To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] hard drive question? On Sun, 2012-11-11 at 16:36 +0100, Bernd Blaauw wrote: I remember the old days of having 4 (primary? extended? logical?) FAT16 partitions of 2GB each, allowing up to 8GB total. I remember using 32MB partitions :-) 32MB is bigger than my entire hard drive on my first computer (an original Tandy 1000, with a $300 HD added later on, with a whopping 20MB capacity) :-D Then I replaced it with a screaming 16MHz '286 with 16MB of RAM and a 100MB HD! -- Tactical Nuclear Kittens -- Monitor your physical, virtual and cloud infrastructure from a single web console. Get in-depth insight into apps, servers, databases, vmware, SAP, cloud infrastructure, etc. Download 30-day Free Trial. Pricing starts from $795 for 25 servers or applications! http://p.sf.net/sfu/zoho_dev2dev_nov ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Monitor your physical, virtual and cloud infrastructure from a single web console. Get in-depth insight into apps, servers, databases, vmware, SAP, cloud infrastructure, etc. Download 30-day Free Trial. Pricing starts from $795 for 25 servers or applications! http://p.sf.net/sfu/zoho_dev2dev_nov ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Seeking help in porting some stuff to DOS
Last December I posted about re-porting Frotz to DOS. I suceeded in creating DOS Frotz 2.43. My next task is to get it to support Blorb and through that sound samples and still graphics. Any more of the Blorb spec is likely too much for DOS. My problem is that I can't seem to figure out how to make the Blorb code work in 16-bit mode. Would someone please take a look at it and help me out? The repository is https://github.com/DavidGriffith/frotz. -- David Griffith dgri...@cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] How do I check a box in FreeDOS during installation?
FYI, the spacebar is also the way you check and uncheck with the keyboard in windows, and I believe Linux as well. -Original Message- From: Geoffrey van Wyk [mailto:geoffrey.van...@bernadine.biz] Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 9:22 AM To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] How do I check a box in FreeDOS during installation? Thanks a lot! That works. :-) Geoffrey On 06/08/2012 09:32, Ralf A. Quint wrote: At 12:01 AM 8/6/2012, Geoffrey van Wyk wrote: Dear All, At a certain point during the installation of FreeDOS, one has to choose which optional packages to install. The packages selected by default are marked with Xs in their repective boxes. One then has to place Xs in the boxes of the unselected packages. I do not know how to make the Xs in the boxes. I can move between boxes with the arrow keys, but cannot find any way to make an X. I have tried to type the X. I also tried SHIFT + X, to no avail. Please help. Could you possibly persuaded to use the space bar/key? Ralf -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] network printing
I am not a programmer so I have no clue how to go about this, but I would like to share my thought. Maybe someone would like to run with it. Is it possible to modify the mode command to redirect lpt output to netcat? Perhaps the parameters could be set with a separate configuration file. At my low level of knowledge, this seems like a good way to add a network printer to freedos. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Networking
Pentium definitely came in a 233MHz version, but I thought the 300MHz version was Pentium II only. -Original Message- From: Rugxulo [mailto:rugx...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 12:10 AM To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Networking Hi, On Jun 17, 2012 6:32 PM, Ulrich Hansen uhan...@mainz-online.de wrote: Ah, and NEOS: I didn't have time to really create a NEOS network here. I will look into it some other time. But at least the readme sounds good at first glance. The NEOS installer works on my old laptops (486SX33) but it doesn't in VirtualBox. In VirtualBox I get the TurboPascal Runtime Error 200 which seems to mean that the program won't work on computers with a clock speed faster than 200 MHz. So how old are your Pentiums? You can patch those problematic programs or run a TSR. ftp://ftp.sac.sk/pub/sac/utilprog/r200fix.zip BTW, I had vaguely thought the highest Pentium was 200 or 233 Mhz, but Wikipedia says 300 Mhz, but I think they were more common in lower speeds. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Best GUIs for DOS
-Original Message- From: Alex [mailto:alxm...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 3:48 PM To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Best GUIs for DOS On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Marco Achury marcoach...@gmail.com wrote: El 06/04/2012 01:25 p.m., Eric Auer escribió: Hi! Can someone please tell me what are the best GUIs available for FreeDOS? Naturally, this is a double question, since GUIs fall into two categories: 1) Text-mode GUIs 2) Graphical GUIs So, which GUI(s) would you recommend for each category? Maybe unrelated but: File Maven is a freeware text-mode GUI file manager which has a sort of laplink clone built in. And the Arachne web browser has some aspects of a graphical GUI. The most comprehensive GUIs are probably Windows (3.0, 3.1 or Windows for Workgroups 3.11, all non-free, 3.x standard mode works okay, WfW and 386enh mode can be hard, too much RAM as well) and GEM. There is a free GEM distro by Shane, see also: http://sourceforge.net/projects/opengem/files/ http://www.bttr-software.de/forum/mix_entry.php?id=8126 Unfortunately, the more complete ShaneLand GEM website in UK is down. Shane can now be reached at Opendawn, Japan, I hope. Eric :-) -- For Developers, A Lot Can Happen In A Second. Boundary is the first to Know...and Tell You. Monitor Your Applications in Ultra-Fine Resolution. Try it FREE! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-d2dvs2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user On my taste Norton Commander (or any of their clones) is the best text mode GUI. I think File Maven uses the same double panel. The are a lot of NC clones, some are updated for long file name support -- -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Marco A. Achury Actually, what I had in mind when I asked about GUIs was just GUIs themselves, not application using them. But it was nice to see Norton Commander being brought up in the discussion! This brings up sweet memories. The starting point of my exploration on DOS-based GUIs was: http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0503736/php/drdoswiki/index.php ?n=Main.GallDosGui With Google you can find several other webpages about GUIs for DOS. My interest, at this point, is mostly in the windowing system, not in the applications that often come bundled with those packages. I am looking for a nice GUI simply as a development tool, not as a ready-made working environment. It seems that there is a number of GUIs available for FreeDOS, in addition to OpenGEM. But I was not able to find much comparative info about those GUIs. Any idea why OpenGEM is the only GUI environment listed on the FreeDOS website under the category GUIs? To be fair, I must say that if you look hard withing the website you do find the reference to other GUIs, such as the Icon GUI. So why OpenGEM is the only one in the spotlight? Please share your experiences with regard to DOS-based GUIs as development tools. It sounds like you're referring more to an IDE than a GUI. -- For Developers, A Lot Can Happen In A Second. Boundary is the first to Know...and Tell You. Monitor Your Applications in Ultra-Fine Resolution. Try it FREE! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-d2dvs2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Modern Uses For FreeDOS
We use it to run burn-in and acceptance testing of machines that we resell. It drives a series of pure dos apps that run for 3 days or so, exercising the machine to its fullest. We can't do this in windows because windows doesn't allow access to exercise the full range of installed memory, nor allow access to other low-level calls for testing (video modes, etc). == David C. Kerber Warren Rogers Associates dker...@warrenrogersassociates.com 401-846-4747 x-111 == -Original Message- From: Bob Cochran [mailto:bcochra...@verizon.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 6:53 PM To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Freedos-user] Modern Uses For FreeDOS Greetings, I am pretty ignorant of how FreeDOS is used by the community as I am sure my previous posts show. I would like to build a better understanding of FreeDOS. What is it used for most commonly? I know it is an operating system, of course, but I don't know why it is used as an operating system compared to other operating system choices. I would like to understand the user base for FreeDOS better. Are there many users, or just a small base of users, or somewhere in between? Thanks Bob Cochran -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] ogg-vorbis for DOS
Does anyone here have or know of any 16-bit-clean sample code to stream Ogg Vorbis files from the hard disk? I'm trying to figure out how much of the Blorb standard I can implement in 16-bit DOS Frotz. -- David Griffith dgri...@cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] data type length problem
As I stated earlier, I'm trying to re-port Frotz to DOS. I've run into a
bit of a problem with the size of some unsigned longs in quetzal.c.
Below is a test case of some problem code. I first noticed something
wrong when the compiler complained that I had two identical case
statements in a switch. There is quite a bit of packing four chars into a
long and so I'm quite sure something bad would happen even if there wasn't
a collision in the switch. Would someone take a look at this test code
and give me some advice? An unsigned long is four bytes under both Linux
and 16-bit DOS. Why then do my unsigned longs get chopped off when
running under DOS? Changing to an unsigned long long doesn't do any good.
How can I get this code to do the Right Thing?
Linux with GCC results:
sizeof(unsigned long) == 4
sizeof(long long) == 8
ID_FORM == 1179603533
ID_IFZS == 1229347411
ID_IFhd == 1229351012
ID_UMem == 1431135597
ID_CMem == 1129145709
ID_Stks == 1400138611
ID_ANNO == 1095650895
MSDOS 16-bit with Turbo C results:
sizeof(unsigned long) == 4
sizeof(long long) == 4
ID_FORM == 21069
ID_IFZS == 23123
ID_IFhd == 26724
ID_UMem == 25965 -- identical
ID_CMem == 27965 -- identical
ID_Stks == 27507
ID_ANNO == 20047
#include stdio.h
#include string.h
typedef unsigned long zlong;
#define makeid(a,b,c,d) ((zlong) (((a)24) | ((b)16) | ((c)8) | (d)))
#define ID_FORM makeid ('F','O','R','M')
#define ID_IFZS makeid ('I','F','Z','S')
#define ID_IFhd makeid ('I','F','h','d')
#define ID_UMem makeid ('U','M','e','m')
#define ID_CMem makeid ('C','M','e','m')
#define ID_Stks makeid ('S','t','k','s')
#define ID_ANNO makeid ('A','N','N','O')
int main(int argc, char *argv[])
{
printf(sizeof(unsigned long) == %i\n, sizeof(unsigned long));
printf(sizeof(long long) == %i\n, sizeof(long long));
printf(ID_FORM == %lu\n, ID_FORM);
printf(ID_IFZS == %lu\n, ID_IFZS);
printf(ID_IFhd == %lu\n, ID_IFhd);
printf(ID_UMem == %lu\n, ID_UMem);
printf(ID_CMem == %lu\n, ID_CMem);
printf(ID_Stks == %lu\n, ID_Stks);
printf(ID_ANNO == %lu\n, ID_ANNO);
return 0;
}
--
David Griffith
dgri...@cs.csubak.edu
A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
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Re: [Freedos-user] data type length problem
On Sun, 11 Dec 2011, Ralf A. Quint wrote: At 08:41 PM 12/11/2011, David Griffith wrote: Would someone take a look at this test code and give me some advice? An unsigned long is four bytes under both Linux and 16-bit DOS. Why then do my unsigned longs get chopped off when running under DOS? It seems that at least the Borland compiler uses only the (last) 16 bit of the defines, and UMem and CMem have both em as the last two bytes, while all others are different in those two. Hence the same 16 bit integer output. I figured that was the reason for the collision. How can I get this code to do the Right Thing? I have been out all day and just came back home, don't feel like spending hours on the computer tonight anymore. If work is slow, I will have some time to look into this. Btw, I could quickly reproduce your problem with the latest version of Borland C++ 3.11, not sure which version you're using... I'm using Turbo C++ 3.0. -- David Griffith dgri...@cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? -- Learn Windows Azure Live! Tuesday, Dec 13, 2011 Microsoft is holding a special Learn Windows Azure training event for developers. It will provide a great way to learn Windows Azure and what it provides. You can attend the event by watching it streamed LIVE online. Learn more at http://p.sf.net/sfu/ms-windowsazure ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] data type length problem
On Sun, 11 Dec 2011, Ralf A. Quint wrote: At 09:36 PM 12/11/2011, Ralf A. Quint wrote: How can I get this code to do the Right Thing? Actually just realized that it's pretty easy, you just need to typecast properly all parts of the makeid macro: Ugh! how'd I miss something like that? This revelation may come in handy when dealing with some uint32 types. -- David Griffith dgri...@cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? -- Learn Windows Azure Live! Tuesday, Dec 13, 2011 Microsoft is holding a special Learn Windows Azure training event for developers. It will provide a great way to learn Windows Azure and what it provides. You can attend the event by watching it streamed LIVE online. Learn more at http://p.sf.net/sfu/ms-windowsazure ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] re-porting Frotz to DOS
On Wed, 7 Dec 2011, Rugxulo wrote: Hi, On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 1:30 AM, David Griffith dgri...@cs.csubak.edu wrote: Recently I've dusted off Frotz and am actively working on it now. One of the things I'd like to do is incorporate the changes I've made to the core back to DOS Frotz. In particular I want to allow DOS Frotz to open blorb files and get sound and V6 graphics resources from there instead of seperate files. I want to make sure the result is usable on the IBM PC 5150. I have a copy of Turbo C 2.01, which should be good enough. Does anyone here have any other suggestions? Do you actually have an IBM 5150? I'm not saying targeting that is a bad goal, but indeed it's hard to target something you don't have in real life in actual hardware. Or is that just your generic target (aka, 8086)? I do have a 5150, but it'll take some time and room to get it into working order. I think if I target the 8086 it should be fine. By the way, does anyone here use FreeDOS on a 5150 with any regularity? I think TC201 is too old to be useful (some bugs, lacks). At the very least, I'd recommend TC++101 or (even better) OpenWatcom. There are others too, of course. And keep in mind that I've only very rarely used Frotz, mostly for zedfunge / zbefunge, and I've not really used it for playing games, esp. not gfx ones. The one I ended up preferring was from circa 2000 (Jim Dunleavy? 2.40?), a port to DJGPP. So I would personally start there (esp. since older 16-bit version was only 2.32, IIRC). http://www.ifarchive.org/indexes/if-archiveXinfocomXinterpretersXfrotz.html Jim Dunleavy actually hasn't been involved in the Frotz project since 2.40 came out. It was mostly me since then. There were a lot of changes to the Frotz core between 2.32 and 2.40. I think you were noticing those changes. P.S. IIRC, usosutki (sp?), aka Steve Nickolas, was involved in a port at some point. He was active on this mailing list a few months ago, so perhaps he'll respond with better info. I can't seem to find any reference to him doing anything with Frotz. -- David Griffith dgri...@cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?-- Cloud Services Checklist: Pricing and Packaging Optimization This white paper is intended to serve as a reference, checklist and point of discussion for anyone considering optimizing the pricing and packaging model of a cloud services business. Read Now! http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51491232/___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] re-porting Frotz to DOS
Recently I've dusted off Frotz and am actively working on it now. One of the things I'd like to do is incorporate the changes I've made to the core back to DOS Frotz. In particular I want to allow DOS Frotz to open blorb files and get sound and V6 graphics resources from there instead of seperate files. I want to make sure the result is usable on the IBM PC 5150. I have a copy of Turbo C 2.01, which should be good enough. Does anyone here have any other suggestions? -- David Griffith dgri...@cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? -- Cloud Services Checklist: Pricing and Packaging Optimization This white paper is intended to serve as a reference, checklist and point of discussion for anyone considering optimizing the pricing and packaging model of a cloud services business. Read Now! http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51491232/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FTP Server testing needed
A quick test with ws_ftp PRO seems to be fine. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Brutman [mailto:mbbrut...@brutman.com] Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 9:38 AM To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Freedos-user] FTP Server testing needed I have made a large round of improvements to the FTP server in mTCP and I am looking for a little testing help with it. If you have a few spare moments over the next day or two just try to connect to it and browse the file structure. Using a few different clients will help me shake out any new bugs. Upload some relevant files if you are adventurous. It can be reached at ftp://96.42.66.188:2021/ - if you are using a browser that URL should work as-is. For command line clients just take note of the non-standard port number. The FTP server is running on the slowest machine that I have, which is a PCjr; it if runs well on that, it will run well on anything you probably have. (If you want to see the actual machine it is running on look at THISPCJR.JPG in the root directory.) Changes for this version include: - scanning for valid drive letters at startup to avoid errors when touching floppy drives - a major rework of directory handling if you are not an anonymous user. Drive letters now look like part of a normal Unix path so that the smarter FTP clients don't get confused by the drive letters and path delimiters. - The flow control problem with FileZilla is now understood and fixed - The wrong file date problem with FileZilla is fixed - There is a new message of the day feature for putting up special notices at login time - The local user interface is redesigned and little more friendly - Better error checking on the password file All if this will be part of the next mTCP release, which I'm targeting for the next week. Getting some testing time on it is a good thing ... Thanks in advance, Mike -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. Business sense. IT sense. Common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2dcopy1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. Business sense. IT sense. Common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2dcopy1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
-Original Message- From: dos386 [mailto:dos...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 8:32 AM To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks. ... and use AM/PM time, e.g.: Horrible :-( Tue 02 Aug 2011, 06:08pm what's the benefit ? Please supply at least ONE argument ;-) And (POSIX?) Linux date seems to be similarly unambiguous: Tue Aug 2 18:09:06 CDT 2011 Horrible :-( (please supply code to sort such dates !!!) Unabmiguous, yes, but doesn't sort. What's wrong with: 2011-Aug-02 Tue 18:09:06 ??? That one doesn't sort very well either (puts April next to August). What's wrong with the SQL standard: 2011-08-02 18:09:06 Sorts perfectly as a string. -- BlackBerryreg; DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos much more. Register early save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks.
-Original Message- From: dos386 [mailto:dos...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 9:10 AM To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] FreeCom: Wrong DIR behavior on empy disks. 2011-Aug-02 Tue 18:09:06 That one doesn't sort very well either (puts April next to August) Indeed :-( so 2011-08-02 18:09:06 or 2011-08(Aug)-02 (Tue) 18:09:06 Personally, I don't care for having the month name as well as the number, though I could live with it. I do like having the day of the week in there, though. Dave -- BlackBerryreg; DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos much more. Register early save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] IMPORTANT Off Topic -- U.S. Medical Costs!!
On Tue, 2 Aug 2011, Michael C. Robinson wrote: On Wed, 2011-08-03 at 01:12 +0200, Bernd Blaauw wrote: Op 3-8-2011 0:51, Jack schreef: Re: my 25-Jun-2011 gall-bladder removal, the hospital has finally sent a $960 bill for my co-pay (amount not paid by my medical insurance company). I sent a check today. you missed a 'good' opportunity to visit Europe :) Youtube lists some documentaries, guess Michael Moore's SICKO movie as well. No comments on that movie hehe, would form a 100-responses thread. All in all healthcare here in Europe is pretty decent and affordable, despite waiting lists for some stuff and costs/contributions rising quite fast. Yay privatizing things and insurance companies becoming a man-in-the-middle. Assuming the doctors don't misdiagnose you or use antiquated medical techniques and technology, Europe is great. This is a good time to point out that Obama who supposedly fixed medicine in the USA hasn't fixed anything. Here's a thought, break up the pharmaceuticals so there is more competition and lower prices for medicine. Another thought, give the health care dollars to the states and make the states responsible for administering them. For one thing, many of us don't want: suicide, birth control, or abortion coverage. Yeah, suicide coverage is where national health care is heading. Never mind the morality of doctors killing their patients, suicide is cheaper. I suspect that may be part of the reason why the Oath of Hippocrates forbids lethal medicines. Whether you're for or against it, euthanesia should be treated very carefully to avoid even the slightest suggestion of just killing someone because it's cheaper. I'm in the US and Obama's meddling resulted in my insurance costs going way up. Now about too big to fail... How about amending the Sherman Antitrust Act so that these companies could be identified and ordered broken up? -- David Griffith dgri...@cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? -- BlackBerryreg; DevCon Americas, Oct. 18-20, San Francisco, CA The must-attend event for mobile developers. Connect with experts. Get tools for creating Super Apps. See the latest technologies. Sessions, hands-on labs, demos much more. Register early save! http://p.sf.net/sfu/rim-blackberry-1 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Why I use FreeDOS
I ran my home web server with debian Lenny in 128MB for a long time. Once I added Tomcat and an e-mail server, I had to add more ram, but for just http serving, 128MB was fine. -Original Message- From: Rugxulo [mailto:rugx...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 5:52 PM To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Why I use FreeDOS Hi, On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Mike Eriksen thinstation.m...@gmail.com wrote: Neither XP nor light Linuxes typically run well (if at all) in even 128 MB of RAM, so saying 20 years is a bit of an exaggeration, even 10 years isn't supported well. I'm not knocking Linux, just saying, I've honestly tried, and it doesn't always work on such old machines. But your mileage may vary (and of course I can't test 300+ distros). I'm not here to advocate Linux in one way or another. I like FreeDOS and that's why I keep signing up on this mailing list. Obviously. And there's nothing wrong with using Linux or even discussing it here (ahem, DOSEMU). Even all the bigwigs in FreeDOS use it heavily. Even I'm on it now (Lucid Puppy 5) on this old P4 (mostly because my laptop's wifi flaked out, again, both in Windows and Fedora, go figure, though it was fine yesterday). But claiming Linux is struggling on 128 MB is way out. I tried two liveCDs, and both wouldn't even boot in 128 MB of RAM. Granted, like I said, I can't try 300+ distros, but most of the light ones specifically say they are targeted at 128 MB or more. Most anything less is only using older tools and esp. kernel (2.4, 2.2), which is far from ideal. My email address gives away I'm involved in a Linux thin client and this one runs happily with 24-32 MB RAM on and no hard disk. With graphics, mouse, networking, USB support, audio support blah blah. Graphics or X11? I'd be surprised about GUI stuff. Sure, I've tried BasicLinux and DamnSmallLinux, even briefly TinyCore, but they all seem to be too minimal or have other issues. I'm not saying it can't be done, but, 99% of the time, it never worked right for me. GCC alone can sometimes eat up 100s of MB of RAM for relatively small source files. (I'm actually thinking of a specific case using G++ here, so it may not be totally accurate. But you get the idea.) It really all depends on what you want to do. I'm just saying, the days of low RAM usage are over. People don't even bother testing on old machines anymore, only whatever they can find, which is usually new stuff with gigs of RAM. So while an expert or two may know how to do it (LFS?), typically canned distros fail miserably. Please don't take this the wrong way (as most do, despite my best attempts), it's just very frustrating for me. There is no easy (obvious) solution. FreeDOS is still relevant and I like it and I love following it. Good! And I guess you know my feelings :-) -- Simplify data backup and recovery for your virtual environment with vRanger. Installation's a snap, and flexible recovery options mean your data is safe, secure and there when you need it. Discover what all the cheering's about. Get your free trial download today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-dev2dev2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Simplify data backup and recovery for your virtual environment with vRanger. Installation's a snap, and flexible recovery options mean your data is safe, secure and there when you need it. Discover what all the cheering's about. Get your free trial download today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-dev2dev2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Licensing issues
On Thu, 2 Jun 2011, Willi Wasser wrote: Some developers may not be too happy about the license choice, especially those who would like to grab your code and try to make money from it by making it part of an unfree software. Let's be serious! Is there still a market for any kind of DOS out there? Does it have any commercial value out there? Can you still make such an amount of money with it, that it's worth to struggle about licensing issues? For me it's a hobby. A little bit like those poeple who still operate steam railways nowadays. And it may be an attempt to show the world how else computers could be and that there is a difference between technical progress and the latest fashion. Many of my programs are such that i should have written them fifteen years ago but i didn't back then due to various reasons. I am really not afraid that someone else could get rich with my software, my experience is rather that nobody really cares. So what? I've seen a lot of drive-through video screens using DOS in some form or another. -- David Griffith dgri...@cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? -- Simplify data backup and recovery for your virtual environment with vRanger. Installation's a snap, and flexible recovery options mean your data is safe, secure and there when you need it. Data protection magic? Nope - It's vRanger. Get your free trial download today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-sfdev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Basic networking abilities
-Original Message- From: Michael C. Robinson [mailto:plu...@robinson-west.com] Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 2:35 AM To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Basic networking abilities On Thu, 2011-06-02 at 04:12 +0200, japhethx gmail wrote: [snip] I think everybody has learned the last years that GPL software can be used without any second thoughts and distributed freely.[snip] No. Yes, that's a huge strong point. As long as you provide access to the complete source code, for a fee to cover copying/transmission or gratis is irrelevant. I am also a real fan of the Free Software idea. Otherwise I wouldn't use FreeDOS (which is released under the GPL as well). Some developers may not be too happy about the license choice, especially those who would like to grab your code and try to make money from it by making it part of an unfree software. But who cares about them? I think the GPL is about having fun, about trust and fairness and about learning from others and alllowing others to participate. Thanks for your enthusiasm and propaganda! GPL is a valid license that has its pros and cons. Personally, I don't like it. One reason for this is because it sounds like a political manifesto, which - IMO - insults the readers intelligence. Just my opinion :)). Is there a software license open source or not that DOESN'T limit you in some way? Can a software license not be political? What's really driving this anti-GPL commentary? Sure, you can't hide changes that you make to open source software under the GPL. Why does the GPL exist? Simple, Microsoft is an unchallenged monopoly. The only serious alternative that exists to Windows is open source software. No closed source commercial endeavor can get off the ground. If you like Windows, there is ReactOS. This is a GPL based project that has a ways to go, but I suppose it is somewhat interesting. The GPL is not always convenient, but would you pay for Freedos 1.1 say $100+ if it wasn't free? The answer is clearly no. Freedos will always be free, give or take a sharing fee. GPL software can be fixed even if the original author dies or loses interest in it. With closed source software, this isn't the case at all. With most software these days being old software that needs to be maintained, open source often makes more sense than closed source. I think his point is that even the GPL can be too restrictive for some people's tastes. There are other, less-restrictive licenses such as Apache. When I do some code, I normally put essentially a public-domain license that says you can do anything you want with my code. I don't expect that anybody will be making money with it, but if they do, that's fine with me. The won't be able to patent it since the fact I already released it makes it prior art, so they can't restrict me from doing more with it as I see fit, so I haven't lost anything. -- Simplify data backup and recovery for your virtual environment with vRanger. Installation's a snap, and flexible recovery options mean your data is safe, secure and there when you need it. Data protection magic? Nope - It's vRanger. Get your free trial download today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-sfdev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Why I use FreeDOS
On Thu, 2 Jun 2011, George Frothingham wrote: I make diode testers and need an operating system that is close to real time. Also I need to sometimes interact directly with the computer hardware. FreeDOS fills the bill on both counts and WINDOWS is useless. I appreciate very much what you folks are doing and hope that I can help in some way. I program in FORTH using a FORTH Interpreter/Compiler that I wrote myself in assembler. This is a way-out-there what-if, but anyhow... How much trouble would it be to make FreeDOS explicitly realtime? -- David Griffith dgri...@cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? -- Simplify data backup and recovery for your virtual environment with vRanger. Installation's a snap, and flexible recovery options mean your data is safe, secure and there when you need it. Discover what all the cheering's about. Get your free trial download today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/quest-dev2dev2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Word processing
WordPerfect 5.1 was even better, but took a lot more computer power. -Original Message- From: Jim Lemon [mailto:j...@bitwrit.com.au] Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 5:06 AM To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Word processing On 05/06/2011 06:43 AM, Marco Achury wrote: Is available any new wordprocessor for DOS? On this old talk recommend msword for DOS (free as free beer) http://www.computing.net/answers/dos/free-word-processor/16280.html Hi Marco, There are several sites for downloading WordPerfect 4.2, the best DOS word processor I ever used. http://vetusware.com/download/WordPerfect%204.2/?id=3635 Jim -- WhatsUp Gold - Download Free Network Management Software The most intuitive, comprehensive, and cost-effective network management toolset available today. Delivers lowest initial acquisition cost and overall TCO of any competing solution. http://p.sf.net/sfu/whatsupgold-sd ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- WhatsUp Gold - Download Free Network Management Software The most intuitive, comprehensive, and cost-effective network management toolset available today. Delivers lowest initial acquisition cost and overall TCO of any competing solution. http://p.sf.net/sfu/whatsupgold-sd ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos license
Dell does, so I imagine you would be ok doing so as well. -Original Message- From: Sorin Axente [mailto:sorin.axe...@ager.ro] Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 5:23 AM To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Freedos-user] Freedos license Dear all, I am kind of new to freedos operating system and I want to know if it is ok to deliver it installed on assambled computers we deliver to a customer. Where can I find the license statement ? Best regards -- WhatsUp Gold - Download Free Network Management Software The most intuitive, comprehensive, and cost-effective network management toolset available today. Delivers lowest initial acquisition cost and overall TCO of any competing solution. http://p.sf.net/sfu/whatsupgold-sd ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Large freedos bootable flash drive
I'm having trouble getting a 16GB flash drive to configure as freedos-based bootable. I have made literally dozens of 2GB and 4GB bootable drives with freedos with FlashBootWizard, but it seems to fail on larger ones, by shrinking the partition down to just over 3GB. The HP flash formatter utility won't recognize freedos as a valid source of DOS startup files for making flash drives bootable. Has anybody had success with this? I've done a ton of internet searching over the last few days, and found lots of bootable flash drive links, but most of them are MS-DOS based, and therefore limited in size. The others I've found for freedos don't seem to work with my flash drives. The other option would be to divide the flash drive up into two partitions, but I haven't been able to do that successfully either, apparently because windows won't allow a removable device to have multiple partitions. If somebody knows a utility that will do that, I'd love to see it as well... I'm using PNY Attache flash drives. Thanks! D -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Determining partition types (NTFS, etc)
Determining partition types (NTFS, etc) Please excuse my 'newbie' question... I'm considering setting up a dual-boot (or more) system. How do I determine what type partition my system has? Hopefully I'll end up with both FreeDOS Linux on the same drive. Thanks for your patient support. From: freedos-user-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Freedos-user Digest, Vol 334, Issue 1 To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:46:35 + Send Freedos-user mailing list submissions to freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to freedos-user-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net You can reach the person managing the list at freedos-user-ow...@lists.sourceforge.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Freedos-user digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: freedos - Modern sata dvd dual layer not found (Christian Masloch) 2. Re: (fdapm vs idlehalt performance and energy saving in dos) (Eric Auer) 3. Re: FreeDOS Networking with other OS (Eric Auer) 4. New FreeDOSers Monthly Reminder (jp_free...@gcfl.net) 5. Warning, dont left your freedos cd on the computer!!! (Marco Achury) 6. The Ikon GUI has been released under Public Domain license (Mateusz Viste) 7. Hello! (Willi Wasser) 8. Re: Hello! (Hans) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:30:02 +0100 From: Christian Masloch c...@bttr-software.de Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] freedos - Modern sata dvd dual layer not found To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Message-ID: op.u5pbsck2z9d...@isor.private Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes First of all, what is AHCI? isn't that related to USB??? No. USB is related to the UHCI (USB 1.0), OHCI (USB 1.1), EHCI (USB 2.0), WHCI (Wireless USB) and XHCI (USB 3.0). AHCI is an interface for SATA controllers. Regards, Christian -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:02:45 +0100 From: Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] (fdapm vs idlehalt performance and energy saving in dos) To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Message-ID: 4b3a7c85.5020...@jpberlin.de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi Marcos, thanks for the in-depth measurements :-) 1 FDAPM APMDOS + IDLEHALT=1 11 sec 2 FDAPM ADV:REG + IDLEHALT=1 6 sec 3 FDAPM APMDOS 6 sec 4IDLEHALT=1 6 sec 5 FDAPM ADV:REG about half a sec 6 (nothing) about half a sec I adopted option 5 to work with Desi-III, of course. I agree that this is the best option. To answer your questions: IDLEHALT is in the kernel, you do not have to load it. You only activate it or not. FDAPM is more advanced, but takes a bit of DOS memory. The ADV:REG option usually saves almost as much of your battery power as the normal APMDOS option. You do not get extra savings by combining FDAPM and IDLEHALT, only slowness ;-) You do not need to standby or suspend DOS - just shutdown the PC when you do not need it and reboot it when you need it again, a DOS system usually boots very quickly. However, FDAPM does have support for APM BIOS standby and suspend. Whether it actually will work and wake up properly depends on the BIOS. If you get stuck, you can always keep the power button of your PC pressed for several seconds to force a power-off or power-on. Newer BIOSes do not support any APM. They only support ACPI. For ACPI, FDAPM gives you throttling (SPEED1 to SPEED8) and poweroff but no actually useful standby or suspend options... Throttling means that your CPU will be halted up to 7/8 of the time, which is also a nice thing for playing too fast old DOS games :-). It is also possible to suspend other components with DOS PCISLEEP. Note that all the throttling and suspending stuff does not save much more energy than FDAPM APMDOS on a typical desktop PC if DOS is just waiting for input at the prompt. I also made a tool for AMD Cool n Quiet to switch my CPU to 1 GHz and lower voltage, but this only works for the CPU and mainboard for which you compile it. For automatic setup for generic PC, the tool would be complex and I was lazy... -- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:30:41 +0100 From: Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS Networking with other OS To: mad.marvin.moonsha...@gmail.com, freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Message-ID:
Re: [Freedos-user] Booting without hard disk
Floppies are definitely NOT the most reliable DOS boot media. After a year or so of daily use, they will likely become unusable. So unless they keep a ready supply of spares, you're going to have some upset clients. I would go the cd-rom or HD route, because USB drives stick out and are easy to break off. -Original Message- From: Marcos Favero Florence de Barros [mailto:fav...@mpcnet.com.br] Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 4:36 PM To: FreeDOS List Subject: [Freedos-user] Booting without hard disk So, my questions today are: (1) Which is the best approach to booting client computers without hard disks? (2) Where do I find the relevant instructions? Thanks, Marcos Florence Sao Paulo, Brazil -- Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9 - 12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconference ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] upgrading
A while back I asked 'upgrading', I had a list of Windows-compatible utilities that needed DOS equivalents. I'm not asking about Win-compatible games, they may be a lost cause. I need a driver for a USB flash drive, probably one for a broadband modem. (I know ClamWIN has a DOS equivalent, so thanks for that.) I had to use a Vista system (not entirely by choice), I've had enough. Any response is appreciated. _ Hotmail® has ever-growing storage! Don’t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage_062009-- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9#45;12, 2009. Register now#33; http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] uprgrading (Bernd Blaauw)
Thanks for responding. I have my own folder for this newsletter, I have @ 300 issues in it. Maybe I'll throw together a book someday. But I think it may have been before that. The modem is tied into the motherboard, but it's a direct cable connection. I don't know the brand name, but the system was created by a group called 'emachine'. _ Microsoft brings you a new way to search the web. Try Bing™ now http://www.bing.com?form=MFEHPGpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MFEHPG_Core_tagline_try bing_1x1-- Come build with us! The BlackBerryreg; Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9#45;12, 2009. Register now#33; http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] more makefiles.
Each directory that has stuff to be built has its own (customized) makefile. From the DOS command line, cd to the desired directory, and run command make or make install (as appropriate). This results in the directory's files being built (using the information in 'makefile'). Sometimes makefiles may have a name other than 'makefile'. If your makefile is named kurt.mak then running make -f kurt.mak tells the make command to use kurt.mak rather than makefile. HTH. David From: kurt godel [mailto:wb2...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 8:17 AM To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Freedos-user] more makefiles. Yes, I prettymuch get that, but for instance that djgpp hack someone mentioned; it has a file named 'makefile', but in what directory should it be placed? I mean, there are *several* files in these distros named 'makefile', so without messing around with the path, if I explicitly use make -f makefile, (or possibly changing the name of *that* makefile), does this makefile have to be in the same directory as the target; also 'target' means the end result or what is going into the end result? Finally, 'make install' never goes on the command line, but is always a line in the makefile?--kurtwb2...@gmail.com. -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] USB Question
Hi, I have an old DOS application that I want to run with FreeDOS. The DOS app uses a memory stick for storage and has a custom USB driver. The driver is due to be retired for a variety of reasons including that it doesn't support modern memory sticks. I'm aware that USBASPI.sys and DI1000DD.sys work to provide USB support under FreeDOS. Can someone point me toward documentation for these drivers? I'm looking for information on how to call them from C (although asm level docs would be fine). Thanks in advance for your help. Regards, David -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Abandonware site...
-Original Message- From: Michael Robinson [mailto:plu...@robinson-west.com] Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 1:48 AM To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Abandonware site... But just to say the last word about this thread: please avoid warez, sources and links to any other illegal activities. Thanks. Aitor Downloading commercial software that you own a copy of for personal use is not illegal. Agree. Downloading old commercial software that isn't sold anymore which the author doesn't care about is not illegal. Yes, it is. If the law says it's not legal, then it's not legal. To be illegal, the owner of the intellectual property has to raise suit and why would they over someone using the product personally? Just because the person you are stealing from doesn't press charges doesn't mean you didn't break the law. It just means you got away with it. D -- Stay on top of everything new and different, both inside and around Java (TM) technology - register by April 22, and save $200 on the JavaOne (SM) conference, June 2-5, 2009, San Francisco. 300 plus technical and hands-on sessions. Register today. Use priority code J9JMT32. http://p.sf.net/sfu/p ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] License or Sale? WAS Abandonware site...
-Original Message- From: Fuzzy Zabriskie [mailto:qwill...@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 2:53 PM To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] License or Sale? WAS Abandonware site... ... Thank you... thats pretty much what I thought. personally, I think Vista is a downgrade from XP ;). I opted for XP on my laptop. My father's new laptop came with Vista :(. Boy its, annoying to have to reply 2 or 3 times to every action. I hope UAC is removed from WIN7. It's not removed, but it's much less obtrusive than in Vista. Dumb thing didn't even come with restore disks, never mind real install disks. I had to talk to customer support to get them to send him the restore disks. I'd rather they charged a few dollars more and included the disks. *sigh* D -- Stay on top of everything new and different, both inside and around Java (TM) technology - register by April 22, and save $200 on the JavaOne (SM) conference, June 2-5, 2009, San Francisco. 300 plus technical and hands-on sessions. Register today. Use priority code J9JMT32. http://p.sf.net/sfu/p ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Is Windows 3.1 worth it and wordprocessing?
-Original Message- From: Michael Robinson [mailto:plu...@robinson-west.com] Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 1:54 AM To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Freedos-user] Is Windows 3.1 worth it and wordprocessing? ... Openoffice is nice, but you need a lot of computer to run it and you have an option of running it under either Windows XP/Vista/etcetera or Linux. There is abiword, but again same thing. I tried to install abiword to 98se and found that I couldn't. The abandonware site I mentioned before offers Wordperfect 5.1, but I never owned a copy so I'm leery of downloading it. Try eBay. I'll admit that I downloaded Warcraft I, but I don't think Blizzard particularly cares at this point. If freedos had a gui with a nice networking interface that understands Windows networking, I practically wouldn't need Windows 98SE anymore. I'd love a copy of Wordperfect 6.1 for Windows if anyone has an image of the install media that is good. I'd also love a copy of the installation media for Wordperfect 6.0 dos. No, you wouldn't! IME neither 6.x version of WP was worth the media it was distributed on. If you want a DOS version of WP, use 5.1. For a usable windows ver, you need to go to about 8.x D -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: High Quality Requirements in a Collaborative Environment. Download a free trial of Rational Requirements Composer Now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-ibm-com ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] patents - was: LFN in FreeDOS kernel? - was: aimed compatibility?
-Original Message- From: Jim Hall [mailto:jh...@freedos.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 3:30 PM To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] patents - was: LFN in FreeDOS kernel? - was: aimed compatibility? ... If LFN support were part of the kernel, a CD would mean not distributing the FreeDOS kernel itself. And that might make it very difficult to replace the distro with a non-LFN version. In the face of these patents, perhaps FreeDOS 1.1 should not include DOSLFN, and instead indicate where the user could download it separately. (http://www.geocities.com/jadoxa/doslfn/) When others have asked me, I have recommended a wait and see approach. As others have pointed out, Microsoft will go after Linux first, so if Linux loses the fight, FreeDOS can simply remove DOSLFN and move on with plain non-LFN FAT. In February 2009, Microsoft filed a patent infringement lawsuit against TomTom based on patents related to FAT32 filesystem. Wait for the final outcome in that case, then decide based on that whether to remove DOSLFN. That settled today, with TomTom paying M$ and undisclosed amount of money, and some cross-licensing agreements for some of the patents that each of them owns, and TomTOm has to stop using the patents in question within 2 years. A big difference, though: TomTom was making money off it, while FreeDOS does not. D -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] freedos and vmware problem - wattcp.cfg
Ftp? -Original Message- From: cleanzero [mailto:liquidt...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 6:25 PM To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] freedos and vmware problem - wattcp.cfg ... Wow. It was easier than I thought and now I have a network running on freedos. I can even connect to the web through arachne. SSH is working on the mac, and I can access Mac OS from freedos using ssh, but, I know this sounds stupid, but how do I move files from the mac to freedos ? D -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
