Re: [Freedos-user] Video complains that DOS should not be mantained
Good to know, it used to be unstable. Well, I shall be quite darned. A post on the Lynx forum (strange place for it) says Arachne and DosLynx have returned from the dead. Somebody should keep a list somewhere of currently maintained DOS browsers. http://macall.net/info.htm http://www.bttr-software.de/forum/forum_entry.php?id=18569 In the unlikely case that somebody stumbles upon this threat looking for advice, my two cents follow: If you only try one, try Links. That said, although it's harder to set up (infernal options that don't save unless you edit config), Lynx (the original, I haven't tried DosLynx yet) is rock solid and you can also surf the nearly forgotten gopher tunnels that live just under the surface of the www. They both do TLS just fine. On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 5:22 PM Louis Santillan wrote: > Yes. In DOS, in Linux, in Mac`links -g` works great for me. > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 8:17 PM Dan Schmidt wrote: > >> Have you tried links -g ? >> >> On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 10:11 PM Louis Santillan >> wrote: >> >>> I haven’t had many crashes in Links2 in normal browsing. I have been >>> able to make it crash calling out to external programs or by shelling out >>> and trying to return to the browser. >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 7:17 AM Dan Schmidt >>> wrote: >>> Links and Lynx both do TLS currently on DOS. Links will even do images, but it's prone to crash in gui mode. On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 2:09 AM Louis Santillan wrote: > Doesn't Links2 do TLS? > > On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 3:45 PM Jim Hall wrote: > >> On Mon, Dec 27, 2021 at 6:28 PM Jose Senna wrote: >> > >> > Liam Proven said: >> > > There were DOS email and chat and FTP >> > > clients; that stuff's fairly easy. >> > >> > Were is the right word. Most email >> > servers nowadays require TLS, which >> > is not available in DOS email clients. >> > There are few remaining FTP servers, >> > and I cannot tell how many also need >> > TLS. >> >> >> That's why I made sure you can access the FreeDOS website from >> http://www.freedos.org/ and https://www.freedos.org >> >> If you're using a DOS web browser, I don't think any DOS web browser >> can manage today's SSL, so you need http instead of https. >> >> But the links from freedos.org to other websites mostly use https, I >> think. Because not everyone wants to set up both http and https for a >> website. >> >> >> Jim >> >> >> ___ >> Freedos-user mailing list >> Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user >> > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user >>> ___ >>> Freedos-user mailing list >>> Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user >>> >> ___ >> Freedos-user mailing list >> Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user >> > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Video complains that DOS should not be mantained
Yes. In DOS, in Linux, in Mac`links -g` works great for me. On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 8:17 PM Dan Schmidt wrote: > Have you tried links -g ? > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 10:11 PM Louis Santillan > wrote: > >> I haven’t had many crashes in Links2 in normal browsing. I have been >> able to make it crash calling out to external programs or by shelling out >> and trying to return to the browser. >> >> On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 7:17 AM Dan Schmidt wrote: >> >>> Links and Lynx both do TLS currently on DOS. Links will even do images, >>> but it's prone to crash in gui mode. >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 2:09 AM Louis Santillan >>> wrote: >>> Doesn't Links2 do TLS? On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 3:45 PM Jim Hall wrote: > On Mon, Dec 27, 2021 at 6:28 PM Jose Senna wrote: > > > > Liam Proven said: > > > There were DOS email and chat and FTP > > > clients; that stuff's fairly easy. > > > > Were is the right word. Most email > > servers nowadays require TLS, which > > is not available in DOS email clients. > > There are few remaining FTP servers, > > and I cannot tell how many also need > > TLS. > > > That's why I made sure you can access the FreeDOS website from > http://www.freedos.org/ and https://www.freedos.org > > If you're using a DOS web browser, I don't think any DOS web browser > can manage today's SSL, so you need http instead of https. > > But the links from freedos.org to other websites mostly use https, I > think. Because not everyone wants to set up both http and https for a > website. > > > Jim > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user >>> ___ >>> Freedos-user mailing list >>> Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user >>> >> ___ >> Freedos-user mailing list >> Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user >> > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Video complains that DOS should not be mantained
Have you tried links -g ? On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 10:11 PM Louis Santillan wrote: > I haven’t had many crashes in Links2 in normal browsing. I have been able > to make it crash calling out to external programs or by shelling out and > trying to return to the browser. > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 7:17 AM Dan Schmidt wrote: > >> Links and Lynx both do TLS currently on DOS. Links will even do images, >> but it's prone to crash in gui mode. >> >> On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 2:09 AM Louis Santillan >> wrote: >> >>> Doesn't Links2 do TLS? >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 3:45 PM Jim Hall wrote: >>> On Mon, Dec 27, 2021 at 6:28 PM Jose Senna wrote: > > Liam Proven said: > > There were DOS email and chat and FTP > > clients; that stuff's fairly easy. > > Were is the right word. Most email > servers nowadays require TLS, which > is not available in DOS email clients. > There are few remaining FTP servers, > and I cannot tell how many also need > TLS. That's why I made sure you can access the FreeDOS website from http://www.freedos.org/ and https://www.freedos.org If you're using a DOS web browser, I don't think any DOS web browser can manage today's SSL, so you need http instead of https. But the links from freedos.org to other websites mostly use https, I think. Because not everyone wants to set up both http and https for a website. Jim ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user >>> ___ >>> Freedos-user mailing list >>> Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user >>> >> ___ >> Freedos-user mailing list >> Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user >> > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Video complains that DOS should not be mantained
Every few months or so I drop a line about it. Made a Dos Lynx usb boot
image once as a joke. ("Yeah? Well, I bet you twenty bucks I can boot
that old 32 laptop and get the weather in less than 30 seconds!") No
javascript, but it makes a great news reader. Pasting from my last email:
Quick FYI:
Dos lynx is still available. Tried it - still works.
https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.msdos.djgpp/c/4GGhcKL_ZPQ/m/cTmonuz4BQAJ
That FTP server doesn't seem to work, none of the mirrors seem to work, so
I found it here:
https://mirrors.fe.up.pt/pub/djgpp/current/v2tk/
Last I tried, links also worked fairly well. Easier config, but no gopher.
http://links.twibright.com/download.php
However, in graphical mode it tends to lock up after a few pages.
Up to date cert bundles can be obtained here thanks to our friends at curl:
https://curl.se/docs/caextract.html
On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 10:12 PM Louis Santillan wrote:
> 2.25 is latest version
> http://links.twibright.com/download/binaries/dos/
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> On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 3:31 PM Jose Senna wrote:
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>> Dan schmidt said:
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>> | Links and Lynx both do TLS currently on DOS.
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>> Which versions, please ?
>> There is still the problem of javascript,
>> much used in HTTP mail pages nowadays.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Video complains that DOS should not be mantained
2.25 is latest version http://links.twibright.com/download/binaries/dos/ On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 3:31 PM Jose Senna wrote: > Dan schmidt said: > > | Links and Lynx both do TLS currently on DOS. > > Which versions, please ? > There is still the problem of javascript, > much used in HTTP mail pages nowadays. > > > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Video complains that DOS should not be mantained
I haven’t had many crashes in Links2 in normal browsing. I have been able to make it crash calling out to external programs or by shelling out and trying to return to the browser. On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 7:17 AM Dan Schmidt wrote: > Links and Lynx both do TLS currently on DOS. Links will even do images, > but it's prone to crash in gui mode. > > On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 2:09 AM Louis Santillan > wrote: > >> Doesn't Links2 do TLS? >> >> On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 3:45 PM Jim Hall wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Dec 27, 2021 at 6:28 PM Jose Senna wrote: >>> > >>> > Liam Proven said: >>> > > There were DOS email and chat and FTP >>> > > clients; that stuff's fairly easy. >>> > >>> > Were is the right word. Most email >>> > servers nowadays require TLS, which >>> > is not available in DOS email clients. >>> > There are few remaining FTP servers, >>> > and I cannot tell how many also need >>> > TLS. >>> >>> >>> That's why I made sure you can access the FreeDOS website from >>> http://www.freedos.org/ and https://www.freedos.org >>> >>> If you're using a DOS web browser, I don't think any DOS web browser >>> can manage today's SSL, so you need http instead of https. >>> >>> But the links from freedos.org to other websites mostly use https, I >>> think. Because not everyone wants to set up both http and https for a >>> website. >>> >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Freedos-user mailing list >>> Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user >>> >> ___ >> Freedos-user mailing list >> Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user >> > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Video complains that DOS should not be mantained
Doesn't Links2 do TLS? On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 3:45 PM Jim Hall wrote: > On Mon, Dec 27, 2021 at 6:28 PM Jose Senna wrote: > > > > Liam Proven said: > > > There were DOS email and chat and FTP > > > clients; that stuff's fairly easy. > > > > Were is the right word. Most email > > servers nowadays require TLS, which > > is not available in DOS email clients. > > There are few remaining FTP servers, > > and I cannot tell how many also need > > TLS. > > > That's why I made sure you can access the FreeDOS website from > http://www.freedos.org/ and https://www.freedos.org > > If you're using a DOS web browser, I don't think any DOS web browser > can manage today's SSL, so you need http instead of https. > > But the links from freedos.org to other websites mostly use https, I > think. Because not everyone wants to set up both http and https for a > website. > > > Jim > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Video complains that DOS should not be mantained
On Mon, Dec 27, 2021 at 6:28 PM Jose Senna wrote: > > Liam Proven said: > > There were DOS email and chat and FTP > > clients; that stuff's fairly easy. > > Were is the right word. Most email > servers nowadays require TLS, which > is not available in DOS email clients. > There are few remaining FTP servers, > and I cannot tell how many also need > TLS. That's why I made sure you can access the FreeDOS website from http://www.freedos.org/ and https://www.freedos.org If you're using a DOS web browser, I don't think any DOS web browser can manage today's SSL, so you need http instead of https. But the links from freedos.org to other websites mostly use https, I think. Because not everyone wants to set up both http and https for a website. Jim ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Video complains that DOS should not be mantained
On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 at 01:27, Jose Senna wrote: > > Were is the right word. Most email > servers nowadays require TLS, which > is not available in DOS email clients. Ahh, that is a fair point. I hadn't thought about that. > There are few remaining FTP servers, > and I cannot tell how many also need > TLS. Not so sure about that. I know many FTP servers have gone, but those that remain aren't encrypted or secured that I've seen. SFTP != FTP. > I never used chat. It has its uses. TBH what annoys me are companies that use chat in place of email, because they don't know how to use email right. Hint: https://useplaintext.email/ -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lpro...@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven UK: (+44) 7939-087884 ~ Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Video complains that DOS should not be mantained
Liam Proven said: > There were DOS email and chat and FTP > clients; that stuff's fairly easy. Were is the right word. Most email servers nowadays require TLS, which is not available in DOS email clients. There are few remaining FTP servers, and I cannot tell how many also need TLS. I never used chat. PS - I sent a copy directly to Liam Proven because the mail filter at Sourceforge will probably reject this message. ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
