Re: [Freedos-user] more Yahoo! spam (was: Re: no sibject)
There is an assortment of web content that _requires_ flash Isn't the Google document viewer among them ? AFAIK It is not. Look stuff up. I did. Last time I checked it pressured me to enable JS, when it got JS, it asked for Flash ... this was the EOD for me. -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] more Yahoo! spam (was: Re: no sibject)
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 2:25 AM, dos386 dos...@gmail.com wrote: There is an assortment of web content that _requires_ flash Isn't the Google document viewer among them ? AFAIK It is not. Look stuff up. I did. Last time I checked it pressured me to enable JS, when it got JS, it asked for Flash ... this was the EOD for me. Er. *what* asked for Flash? (That wasn't what I meant by look stuff up.) Google products, including GMail and Google Docs use DHTML and *lots and lots* of JavaScript. The stuff you are talking about, like rendering common attachment types in your browser, is JS powered. (It works on mobile devices that don't *have* flash.) It you aren't running a relatively current browser supporting a current version of JavaScript, you will not have a good experience, because many things simply won't work. I use Firefox (actually, Aurora, which will become the next Firefox release version.) In Aurora, I run NoScript, which blocks scripting activity unless the site is in a user maintained whitelist. Mozilla also implements the plugin_helper executable, which runs as a child process of the browser, and implements a sandbox in which plugins can run. The idea is that a crashing plugin won't take the browser with it, and Adobe Flash is a worst offender. Flash (and plugins in general) are increasingly deprecated. Current browser development direction is Plugins are bad. The user should be able to do everything without requiring them. And Adobe is curtailing flash. Development of flash for mobile has been ended, in good part because many mobile devices simply don't support it. (Apple refused to support flash.) Flash will still be supported on the desktop, but I don't expect a lot of development. Adobe has a tool in alpha intended to convert flash to HTML5, and will be going in that direction in future efforts. Avoid JS and flash if you prefer, but be aware your reasons for doing so may not be valid. __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] more Yahoo! spam (was: Re: no sibject)
Email is the principal vector for _v_i_r_u_s_ delivery, by attachments all reside on Google's servers too, and never reach my machine. Funny ... Google has viewers for all common file types Really? How does it work? How do you see the file on Gooogle's server? Maybe you have the ADOBE FLUSH virus installed and let the author deliver you a new version every day to you holy clean machine? -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] more Yahoo! spam (was: Re: no sibject)
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 8:52 PM, dos386 dos...@gmail.com wrote: Email is the principal vector for _v_i_r_u_s_ delivery, but attachments all reside on Google's servers too, and never reach my machine. Funny ... True. You can't deliver a virus by a nasty attachment if the attachment never reaches the user's machine. Google has viewers for all common file types Really? How does it work? How do you see the file on Gooogle's server? It's rendered in the browser, by code on Google's end. Maybe you have the ADOBE FLUSH virus installed and let the author deliver you a new version every day to you holy clean machine? I do have the Adobe Flash player installed, but it's not involved in the transaction. The attachments in question are not SWF objects. (I have Adobe Flash under Linux, as well. There is an assortment of web content that _requires_ flash, notably sites concerned with art and design. And while HTML5 offers hope down the road, an awful lot of video is still handled by flash.). __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] more Yahoo! spam (was: Re: no sibject)
I do have the Adobe Flash player installed, but it's not involved in the transaction. The attachments in question are not SWF objects. But Google maybe translates them into SWF ... does the attach viewer still work when you disable or remove Adobe Flash ? There is an assortment of web content that _requires_ flash Isn't the Google document viewer among them ? AFAIK the good old Google's PDFtoHTML converter is now dead :-( notably sites concerned with art and design not only :-( And while HTML5 offers hope down the road, an awful lot of video is still handled by flash Indeed :-( -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] more Yahoo! spam (was: Re: no sibject)
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 9:24 PM, dos386 dos...@gmail.com wrote: I do have the Adobe Flash player installed, but it's not involved in the transaction. The attachments in question are not SWF objects. But Google maybe translates them into SWF ... does the attach No, it doesn't. viewer still work when you disable or remove Adobe Flash ? Yes, it does. Google uses AJAX, with lots of DHTML and JavaScript. You need a browser that supports current web standards. (I use Firefox.) You don't need Flash. (If you are on a mobile platform like an iPad, you don't *have* Flash. It's not supported on the platform.) There is an assortment of web content that _requires_ flash Isn't the Google document viewer among them ? AFAIK It is not. Look stuff up. the good old Google's PDFtoHTML converter is now dead :-( I have other ways to do that, and don't believe I ever used Google's. I don't know what you think PDF might have to do with flash, however, other than both coming from Adobe. notably sites concerned with art and design not only :-( Agreed, many sites use flash that don't need to, and even some that arguably need to use it badly. But I'm a designer turned computer geek, have a number of volumes in my library on art, architecture, design, photography, and typography, and visit art and design sites that *do* use flash effectively. And while HTML5 offers hope down the road, an awful lot of video is still handled by flash Indeed :-( __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] more Yahoo! spam (was: Re: no sibject)
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 12:57 AM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:41 PM, dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com wrote: My usual response to worries about privacy is You *wish* you were important enough that anyone could be *bothered* to pay that sort of attention to you. You aren't and they don't. http://www.osnews.com/story/27101/NSA_collects_phone_records_of_all_Verizon_customers_daily So? We are discussing email, not phone calls, and I *still* don't care for the same reasons. I'm not a Verizon customer, but what would make *my* records of interest to anyone if I were? __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- How ServiceNow helps IT people transform IT departments: 1. A cloud service to automate IT design, transition and operations 2. Dashboards that offer high-level views of enterprise services 3. A single system of record for all IT processes http://p.sf.net/sfu/servicenow-d2d-j ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] more Yahoo! spam (was: Re: no sibject)
On Fri, 07 Jun 2013 09:03:15 -0400, dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 12:57 AM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:41 PM, dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com wrote: My usual response to worries about privacy is You *wish* you were important enough that anyone could be *bothered* to pay that sort of attention to you. You aren't and they don't. http://www.osnews.com/story/27101/NSA_collects_phone_records_of_all_Verizon_customers_daily So? We are discussing email, not phone calls, and I *still* don't care for the same reasons. I'm not a Verizon customer, but what would make *my* records of interest to anyone if I were? __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/the-data-trust-blog/2009/02/debunking-a-myth-if-you-have-n.html Aside from that, web-based email interfaces suffer in the usability department compared to a decent email program anyway. -- How ServiceNow helps IT people transform IT departments: 1. A cloud service to automate IT design, transition and operations 2. Dashboards that offer high-level views of enterprise services 3. A single system of record for all IT processes http://p.sf.net/sfu/servicenow-d2d-j ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] more Yahoo! spam (was: Re: no sibject)
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 2:22 PM, TJ Edmister damag...@hyakushiki.net wrote: http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/the-data-trust-blog/2009/02/debunking-a-myth-if-you-have-n.html And none of the issues pointed to are inherent to electronic databases. The problems mentioned have occurred for as long as records have been kept. Aside from that, web-based email interfaces suffer in the usability department compared to a decent email program anyway. Not from where I sit. At one time or another, I've used Microsoft Mail, Outlook Express, Outlook, Netscape Mail and News, and Thunderbird for email, not to mention some text mode clients like mailx on Unix. I use GMail and *prefer* the web interface, I could download my main via POP and read it in a local client, but have no reason to do so. I don't need a local copy of 99.99% of the mail I get, I'm quite happy to have it reside on Google's servers. It also provides me with a level of security. Email is the principal vector for virus delivery, by attachments all reside on Google's servers too, and never reach my machine. Google has viewers for all common file types, and there is seldom need for a local copy of the attachment. My GMail mailstore is a database, searchable with standard Google queries. Labels and filters provide a more flexible alternative to local folders. And labels are arbitrary index keys into the database, and I can apply more than one label to a message. I used to use Outlook for email and download via POP. I would *not* go back. __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- How ServiceNow helps IT people transform IT departments: 1. A cloud service to automate IT design, transition and operations 2. Dashboards that offer high-level views of enterprise services 3. A single system of record for all IT processes http://p.sf.net/sfu/servicenow-d2d-j ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] more Yahoo! spam (was: Re: no sibject)
Hi, On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 3:21 PM, James Collins james.collin...@yahoo.com wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_(electronic) Just for the record, here's yet another poor Yahoo! sap who's been compromised by spammers. Sad, but oh well, what can you do? (Change your password or use a different provider, I guess.) -- How ServiceNow helps IT people transform IT departments: 1. A cloud service to automate IT design, transition and operations 2. Dashboards that offer high-level views of enterprise services 3. A single system of record for all IT processes http://p.sf.net/sfu/servicenow-d2d-j ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] more Yahoo! spam (was: Re: no sibject)
The privacy of yahoo email users will decrease on July 1st when yahoo will begin more aggressive ad scanning of your messages stored on their servers. I even noticed a new ad format that looks like it is part of your inbox list but its a sponsered ad. I would recommend switching to other providers, I wouldn't recommend gmail as google scans your messages too. Http://digitalatoll.com offers email that is private and secure but is not free. -Chris Http://tawhakisoft.com On Thursday, June 6, 2013, Rugxulo wrote: Hi, On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 3:21 PM, James Collins james.collin...@yahoo.comjavascript:; wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_(electronic) Just for the record, here's yet another poor Yahoo! sap who's been compromised by spammers. Sad, but oh well, what can you do? (Change your password or use a different provider, I guess.) -- How ServiceNow helps IT people transform IT departments: 1. A cloud service to automate IT design, transition and operations 2. Dashboards that offer high-level views of enterprise services 3. A single system of record for all IT processes http://p.sf.net/sfu/servicenow-d2d-j ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net javascript:; https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- How ServiceNow helps IT people transform IT departments: 1. A cloud service to automate IT design, transition and operations 2. Dashboards that offer high-level views of enterprise services 3. A single system of record for all IT processes http://p.sf.net/sfu/servicenow-d2d-j___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] more Yahoo! spam (was: Re: no sibject)
Hi, AFAIK, Google's machines (not people) automatically scan your messages to better target ads at you. They don't keep any private data (or at least not beyond minimal legal limits). My ISP is ATT, formerly Bellsouth (whom ATT bought out, among others). Even they (Bellsouth branch) switched the whole email over to a Yahoo!-based one a few years ago. For various minor reasons, I don't use that account anymore anyways. (I'm not sure I'd recommend Outlook.com either, but MS is pretty heavily pushing that these days too. What else is there? Dunno ) I'm not really ragging on Yahoo! (though they aren't my favorite), but a few years ago they were majorly hacked, and at least two other Yahoo! users (who are real, trustworthy people in real life) have indirectly spammed me personally. Scratch that, one other former FreeDOS contributor also indirectly spammed this list a while back. My point is: 1). Yahoo! may be insecure, 2). maybe these people need to change their passwords to thwart the aforementioned hackers, 3). these people probably aren't actively spamming anyone, so they are innocent (and we shouldn't ban them all upon first offense, even if annoying). On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 6:28 PM, Chris Evans aaxiomfin...@gmail.com wrote: The privacy of yahoo email users will decrease on July 1st when yahoo will begin more aggressive ad scanning of your messages stored on their servers. I even noticed a new ad format that looks like it is part of your inbox list but its a sponsered ad. I would recommend switching to other providers, I wouldn't recommend gmail as google scans your messages too. Http://digitalatoll.com offers email that is private and secure but is not free. -Chris Http://tawhakisoft.com On Thursday, June 6, 2013, Rugxulo wrote: Hi, On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 3:21 PM, James Collins james.collin...@yahoo.com wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_(electronic) Just for the record, here's yet another poor Yahoo! sap who's been compromised by spammers. Sad, but oh well, what can you do? (Change your password or use a different provider, I guess.) -- How ServiceNow helps IT people transform IT departments: 1. A cloud service to automate IT design, transition and operations 2. Dashboards that offer high-level views of enterprise services 3. A single system of record for all IT processes http://p.sf.net/sfu/servicenow-d2d-j ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] more Yahoo! spam (was: Re: no sibject)
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Chris Evans aaxiomfin...@gmail.com wrote: I wouldn't recommend gmail as google scans your messages too. Http://digitalatoll.com offers email that is private and secure but is not free. I personally don't *care* that Google scans my mail. The scanning is done by algorithms, not human beings, with the intent to provide ads topical to the content of the messages. The ads are sometimes useful, sometimes whimsical, and always unobtrusive. I could quite easily filter them out entirely, but don't bother. As a general rule, I've never considered email secure, and normally don't say things in email that would give me heartburn if they became public. If it's *that* private, well, that's what GPG is for. I'm contrarian on privacy. The three areas I consider private are my finances, my health records, and my sex life. The first two are in the hands of third parties who have legal as well as moral reasons to try to *keep* them private, and my sex life never gets online in the first place. For the rest, I'm an open book. My usual response to worries about privacy is You *wish* you were important enough that anyone could be *bothered* to pay that sort of attention to you. You aren't and they don't. -Chris Http://tawhakisoft.com __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- How ServiceNow helps IT people transform IT departments: 1. A cloud service to automate IT design, transition and operations 2. Dashboards that offer high-level views of enterprise services 3. A single system of record for all IT processes http://p.sf.net/sfu/servicenow-d2d-j ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] more Yahoo! spam (was: Re: no sibject)
Hi, On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:41 PM, dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com wrote: My usual response to worries about privacy is You *wish* you were important enough that anyone could be *bothered* to pay that sort of attention to you. You aren't and they don't. http://www.osnews.com/story/27101/NSA_collects_phone_records_of_all_Verizon_customers_daily -- How ServiceNow helps IT people transform IT departments: 1. A cloud service to automate IT design, transition and operations 2. Dashboards that offer high-level views of enterprise services 3. A single system of record for all IT processes http://p.sf.net/sfu/servicenow-d2d-j ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
