Re: [Freedos-user] zip programs and pure DOS?
Hi Karen, > Having never used freedos for a variety of reasons I am not in a > position, nor do I claim to be in a position to comment on its coding > sources. Its why I stated from the outset that My request was for Ms > DOS related tools . And why upon discovering that a freedos solution > was older than the publicly available DOS one, I commented on that fact. Neither infozip nor 7zip have any specific freedos relationship. Downloading infozip or 7zip as zip files provided by the freedos community will not cause any problems for using infozip in ms dos or using 7zip in MS dos. Basically, any dos will do, even the very old MS dos. If you use long file names, the corresponding drivers should work on any DOS, too. Or use Windows 98 DOS without drivers. I still think that even old infozip or 7zip will be able to open files which much older PK zip for DOS may have problems with. In spite of PK zip being a high end product long ago when it was new. Regards, Eric ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] zip programs and pure DOS?
It was Jim's comment, not my own. Having never used freedos for a variety of reasons I am not in a position, nor do I claim to be in a position to comment on its coding sources. Its why I stated from the outset that My request was for Ms DOS related tools . And why upon discovering that a freedos solution was older than the publicly available DOS one, I commented on that fact. Jim stated that was strange, since to ask about a DOS solution on a freedos list calling into question a freedos solution is strange. In my Dictionary, making a suggestion to use, not happening in the present situation, but in many instances previously a tool from a completely unrelated to the scope of this list operating system, is even stranger. may as well make windows or Mac ones, after all the Mac system is Unix based too. Shameful is in the eye of the beholder, so is strange, with those eyes starting with Jim's comment. On Sat, 22 Aug 2020, Random Liegh via Freedos-user wrote: On 8/22/2020 2:41 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: The idea that asking about msdos in a freedos forum and raising questions about software suggested in a freedos distribution due to date might be strange came from Jim. If asking about ms dos within freedos is odd, giving Linux solutions to dos questions must be absolutely shameful. Kare Unless you consider that a lot of the software included with FreeDOS is ported from Linux and Unix -and that Unix (and unix-work-alikes) programs have had dos ports going back to ..crimony, 1986 if not earlier? I'd suggest that shameful is in the eye of the beholder. ;) ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] zip programs and pure DOS?
On 8/22/2020 7:17 PM, Thomas Mueller wrote: Random Leigh not-so-randomly responded: Unless you consider that a lot of the software included with FreeDOS is ported from Linux and Unix -and that Unix (and unix-work-alikes) programs have had dos ports going back to ..crimony, 1986 if not earlier? I notice a substantial amount of DOS applications are ported from Linux, a lot of BSD applications are ported from Linux. FreeDOS is intended to be compatible with MS-DOS, so applications that come from MS-DOS and Linux may be appropriate in discussions about FreeDOS. FreeDOS is not an isolated world. Tom In the old days (92, 93 or so), BSD programs were ported to Linux. In the really old days (86) BSD programs were ported to ...DOS. Am I mistaken, or are we (BSD aside) saying the same thing? -Random ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] zip programs and pure DOS?
On 8/22/2020 2:41 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: > The idea that asking about msdos in a freedos forum and raising questions > about software suggested in a freedos distribution due to date might be > strange came from Jim. If asking about ms dos within freedos is odd, > giving Linux solutions to dos questions must be absolutely shameful. > Kare Random Leigh not-so-randomly responded: > Unless you consider that a lot of the software included with FreeDOS is ported > from Linux and Unix -and that Unix (and unix-work-alikes) programs have had > dos ports going back to ..crimony, 1986 if not earlier? > I'd suggest that shameful is in the eye of the beholder. ;) I notice a substantial amount of DOS applications are ported from Linux, a lot of BSD applications are ported from Linux. FreeDOS is intended to be compatible with MS-DOS, so applications that come from MS-DOS and Linux may be appropriate in discussions about FreeDOS. FreeDOS is not an isolated world. Tom ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] zip programs and pure DOS?
On 8/22/2020 2:41 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: The idea that asking about msdos in a freedos forum and raising questions about software suggested in a freedos distribution due to date might be strange came from Jim. If asking about ms dos within freedos is odd, giving Linux solutions to dos questions must be absolutely shameful. Kare Unless you consider that a lot of the software included with FreeDOS is ported from Linux and Unix -and that Unix (and unix-work-alikes) programs have had dos ports going back to ..crimony, 1986 if not earlier? I'd suggest that shameful is in the eye of the beholder. ;) ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] zip programs and pure DOS?
The idea that asking about msdos in a freedos forum and raising questions about software suggested in a freedos distribution due to date might be strange came from Jim. If asking about ms dos within freedos is odd, giving Linux solutions to dos questions must be absolutely shameful. Kare On Sat, 22 Aug 2020, Random Liegh via Freedos-user wrote: On 8/22/2020 1:41 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: That's one reason why I am surprised at all the Linux solutions offered in this freedos forum. Yes -but really no. Many FreeDOS utilities (less, gzip) and compilers (eg DJGPP) are ports from Unix/Linux. For a pure DOS forum (which covers all of DOS, not just Free-) I'd suggest checking out http://www.bttr-software.de/forum/forum.php RE: Zip; info-zip has a website, and it doesn't seem like any work has been done on it since 09, unless there's an updated github repo somewhere... ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] zip programs and pure DOS?
Hi, From the little information OP provided, I'd guess that the issue might be rather related to missing LFN support - either in pkunzip or in her system, while the text files stored inside the zip archives may use long filenames or contain some unusual symbols (spaces...). Actually, speaking personally, I have always had long file name support. However, while the sub directory idea is an interesting one, that was not the problem. Nor does the file use names with extra spaces or strange characters..the person providing the file respects my needs, sharing some of them. I honestly am unsure why pkunzip triggered the error, because it created the subdirectories perfectly fine regardless. anyway the solution is found, with my now knowing it is wise to remind anyone suggesting Linux ideas or tools that this is a freedos list when that happens in future. Jim clearly prefers the focus be honored. Kare > Another possibility is that the zip files store subdirectories with a slash (/) instead of the legacy backslash symbol. InfoZip processes such entries gracefully, no idea about pkunzip. Mateusz ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] zip programs and pure DOS?
On 8/22/2020 1:41 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: That's one reason why I am surprised at all the Linux solutions offered in this freedos forum. Yes -but really no. Many FreeDOS utilities (less, gzip) and compilers (eg DJGPP) are ports from Unix/Linux. For a pure DOS forum (which covers all of DOS, not just Free-) I'd suggest checking out http://www.bttr-software.de/forum/forum.php RE: Zip; info-zip has a website, and it doesn't seem like any work has been done on it since 09, unless there's an updated github repo somewhere... ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] zip programs and pure DOS?
I will indeed run the pkware utility on my zip file. It is after all the first error in decades. I will also point out to those suggesting Linux solutions on a freedos forum the strangeness you hint at here. My search of the infozip site documentation indicated that those upgrades were for DOS. I already have the 7 zip program just rarely have reason to use it. Indeed pure dos is stable, a fine thing to be sure. Karen On Sat, 22 Aug 2020, Jim Hall wrote: As Dennis and Ralf have said, the versions for DOS of Zip and Unzip are current. That's the nice thing about DOS, the interface is stable. Sounds like what you need is the zipfix tool. I think PKware had pkzipfix? Check for that and run it. That tool will check for errors in your zip files. BTW, asking for MSDOS help on a FreeDOS forum, and then saying no to that help because the FreeDOS folks gave an answer for FreeDOS, is a rather strange thing. It's like asking Linus Torvalds what his favorite Windows program is. Jim On Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 10:47 PM Karen Lewellen wrote: sorry, let me correct my question. It appears that the edition of info zip's zip and unzip programs are not current, from 2008 and 2009, according to my google. Unfortunately sourceforge no longer lets you download from there without JavaScript, these days. So my goal is the most current edition, which does not seem to be what you provide at the freedos site? Karen On Fri, 21 Aug 2020, Jim Hall wrote: We use Infozip, and include that in the FreeDOS distribution. The zip files are compatible with PKZip (PKWare opened up the file spec so anyone could make compatible zip files.) Try unzipping your file using InfoUnzip and see if that will extract them correctly. Jim On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 6:18 PM Karen Lewellen greetings folks, as stated often, while I do not use freedos, I am a strict DOS user. By which I mean, not using an emulation, with only DOS on my machines. For well ever I have used the edition of pk zip et, al. from 1999, which I believe was the last dos edition created by that company. I have a large archive of all text files, and am getting errors, creating sub directories, stating the file name is incorrect, even though the latter is wrong. As a result, I am wondering if there is a different strictly for DOS program for managing compressed files? thanks for any ideas. Karen ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] zip programs and pure DOS?
What i was seeking, and found on my own, were copies of infozip that reflected their current editions of zip and unzip, from 2008 and 2009 respectively. Updates to their DOS programs created to incorporate greater file sharing and disk sizes. that pkware is 30 years old is irrelevant since infozip is not a pk product, just builds upon it. That my error using pkware editions of zip is the first I have encountered in more than those 30 years says allot for how solid, in a pure dos environment, the program still works. On Fri, 21 Aug 2020, Ralf Quint wrote: On 8/21/2020 8:45 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: sorry, let me correct my question. It appears that the edition of info zip's zip and unzip programs are not current, from 2008 and 2009, according to my google. Unfortunately sourceforge no longer lets you download from there without JavaScript, these days. So my goal is the most current edition, which does not seem to be what you provide at the freedos site? I am not sure what exactly you are looking for. PK(un)ZIP is now almost 30 years old. The exact algorithms used are made public for everyone to use 30 years ago. So why would there be anything more "current"? Specially considering "pure DOS", which is officially dead for +25 years... Ralf -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] zip programs and pure DOS?
That's one reason why I am surprised at all the Linux solutions offered in this freedos forum. On Sat, 22 Aug 2020, Ralf Quint wrote: On 8/21/2020 10:29 PM, Jim Hall wrote: BTW, asking for MSDOS help on a FreeDOS forum, and then saying no to that help because the FreeDOS folks gave an answer for FreeDOS, is a rather strange thing. It's like asking Linus Torvalds what his favorite Windows program is. +1 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] zip programs and pure DOS?
On 8/21/2020 10:29 PM, Jim Hall wrote: BTW, asking for MSDOS help on a FreeDOS forum, and then saying no to that help because the FreeDOS folks gave an answer for FreeDOS, is a rather strange thing. It's like asking Linus Torvalds what his favorite Windows program is. +1 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] zip programs and pure DOS?
Hi Karen, > As stated, I do not use freedos. > Is there an infozip archive package on the freedos site? The links in my previous mail point to pages which link to both the official homepages of infozip and 7zip and to the freedos copies mirrored on ibiblio: The infozip copies may seem old, but this probably means that the dos version of infozip has not gotten updates from the maintainers recently. It still is a lot newer than PK zip for dos and supports modern file names and modern compression methods which may confuse old PK zip for ms dos. So I would still recommend to try infozip or better 7zip to unzip files which have troubled your PK zip. You can download both from our ibiblio mirror. Regards, Eric PS: Browsers such as lynx, links and w3m seem to receive regular updates, maybe somebody could tell about javascript-versions for them? They have HTTPS. ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] zip programs and pure DOS?
On 22/08/2020 07:29, Jim Hall wrote: Sounds like what you need is the zipfix tool. I think PKware had pkzipfix? Check for that and run it. That tool will check for errors in your zip files. From the little information OP provided, I'd guess that the issue might be rather related to missing LFN support - either in pkunzip or in her system, while the text files stored inside the zip archives may use long filenames or contain some unusual symbols (spaces...). Another possibility is that the zip files store subdirectories with a slash (/) instead of the legacy backslash symbol. InfoZip processes such entries gracefully, no idea about pkunzip. Mateusz ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] zip programs and pure DOS?
As Dennis and Ralf have said, the versions for DOS of Zip and Unzip are current. That's the nice thing about DOS, the interface is stable. Sounds like what you need is the zipfix tool. I think PKware had pkzipfix? Check for that and run it. That tool will check for errors in your zip files. BTW, asking for MSDOS help on a FreeDOS forum, and then saying no to that help because the FreeDOS folks gave an answer for FreeDOS, is a rather strange thing. It's like asking Linus Torvalds what his favorite Windows program is. Jim On Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 10:47 PM Karen Lewellen wrote: > sorry, let me correct my question. > It appears that the edition of info zip's zip and unzip programs are not > current, from 2008 and 2009, according to my google. > Unfortunately sourceforge no longer lets you download from there without > JavaScript, these days. > So my goal is the most current edition, which does not seem to be what you > provide at the freedos site? > Karen > > > > On Fri, 21 Aug 2020, Jim Hall wrote: > > > We use Infozip, and include that in the FreeDOS distribution. The zip > files > > are compatible with PKZip (PKWare opened up the file spec so anyone could > > make compatible zip files.) > > > > Try unzipping your file using InfoUnzip and see if that will extract them > > correctly. > > > > > > Jim > > > > On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 6:18 PM Karen Lewellen > > > wrote: > > > >> greetings folks, > >> as stated often, while I do not use freedos, I am a strict DOS user. > By > >> which I mean, not using an emulation, with only DOS on my machines. > >> For well ever I have used the edition of pk zip et, al. from 1999, > >> which I believe was the last dos edition created by that company. > >> I have a large archive of all text files, and am getting errors, > creating > >> sub directories, stating the file name is incorrect, even though the > >> latter > >> is wrong. > >> As a result, I am wondering if there is a different strictly for DOS > >> program for managing compressed files? > >> thanks for any ideas. > >> Karen > >> > > > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] zip programs and pure DOS?
On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 11:46 PM Karen Lewellen wrote: > > It appears that the edition of info zip's zip and unzip programs are not > current, from 2008 and 2009, according to my google. > Unfortunately sourceforge no longer lets you download from there without > JavaScript, these days. > So my goal is the most current edition, which does not seem to be what you > provide at the freedos site? You probably don't *care*. I don't believe any updates made after 2009 affect the DOS versions. InfoZip is *very* mature technology, and updates past what the FreeDOS site has are almost certainly for Windows and Linux ports. (I just browsed current issues and patches. All are for Linux, POSIX, or Win64.) I suspect no patches that would affect use on DOS were in the older versions you found. DOS has been dead for 25 years. Patches only happen when someone reports a bug and someone else is motivated to create a fix. Given how long it has been since DOS ceased to be a widely used OS, I'd be startled if anyone actually found a bug in more than 20 years that *required* a fix. If you really want to be that fussy about " current" editions, you bite the bullet, install a version of Linux that will work on your hardware, and run DOS applications using DOSBox or DOSEmu. But the underlying issue you reported still exists. You have Zip archives that return errors when you try to open them with PKUNZIP. Where did they come from? Did you get them from elsewhere or create them yourself? If you created them yourself, where are they stored? (Please tell me it isn't on floppy disks.) Switching to Infop-ZIP isn't likely to magically fix the problem if the archives are damaged.. If you really need to get at the contents of those archives, you'll need to use a tool that can try to repair damaged archives. It's been a while since I've used it, but foggy memory says archive repair was not something the Info-Zip packages offered. I believe DOS versions of 7-zip do offer repair capabilities. > Karen __ Dennis ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] zip programs and pure DOS?
On 8/21/2020 8:45 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: sorry, let me correct my question. It appears that the edition of info zip's zip and unzip programs are not current, from 2008 and 2009, according to my google. Unfortunately sourceforge no longer lets you download from there without JavaScript, these days. So my goal is the most current edition, which does not seem to be what you provide at the freedos site? I am not sure what exactly you are looking for. PK(un)ZIP is now almost 30 years old. The exact algorithms used are made public for everyone to use 30 years ago. So why would there be anything more "current"? Specially considering "pure DOS", which is officially dead for +25 years... Ralf -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] zip programs and pure DOS?
sorry, let me correct my question. It appears that the edition of info zip's zip and unzip programs are not current, from 2008 and 2009, according to my google. Unfortunately sourceforge no longer lets you download from there without JavaScript, these days. So my goal is the most current edition, which does not seem to be what you provide at the freedos site? Karen On Fri, 21 Aug 2020, Jim Hall wrote: We use Infozip, and include that in the FreeDOS distribution. The zip files are compatible with PKZip (PKWare opened up the file spec so anyone could make compatible zip files.) Try unzipping your file using InfoUnzip and see if that will extract them correctly. Jim On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 6:18 PM Karen Lewellen wrote: greetings folks, as stated often, while I do not use freedos, I am a strict DOS user. By which I mean, not using an emulation, with only DOS on my machines. For well ever I have used the edition of pk zip et, al. from 1999, which I believe was the last dos edition created by that company. I have a large archive of all text files, and am getting errors, creating sub directories, stating the file name is incorrect, even though the latter is wrong. As a result, I am wondering if there is a different strictly for DOS program for managing compressed files? thanks for any ideas. Karen ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] zip programs and pure DOS?
Hi Jim, As stated, I do not use freedos. Is there an infozip archive package on the freedos site? My desire would be an install executable complete with documentation, as I imagine there are utilities for more than one platform. Thanks, Karen On Fri, 21 Aug 2020, Jim Hall wrote: We use Infozip, and include that in the FreeDOS distribution. The zip files are compatible with PKZip (PKWare opened up the file spec so anyone could make compatible zip files.) Try unzipping your file using InfoUnzip and see if that will extract them correctly. Jim On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 6:18 PM Karen Lewellen wrote: greetings folks, as stated often, while I do not use freedos, I am a strict DOS user. By which I mean, not using an emulation, with only DOS on my machines. For well ever I have used the edition of pk zip et, al. from 1999, which I believe was the last dos edition created by that company. I have a large archive of all text files, and am getting errors, creating sub directories, stating the file name is incorrect, even though the latter is wrong. As a result, I am wondering if there is a different strictly for DOS program for managing compressed files? thanks for any ideas. Karen ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] zip programs and pure DOS?
We use Infozip, and include that in the FreeDOS distribution. The zip files are compatible with PKZip (PKWare opened up the file spec so anyone could make compatible zip files.) Try unzipping your file using InfoUnzip and see if that will extract them correctly. Jim On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 6:18 PM Karen Lewellen wrote: > greetings folks, > as stated often, while I do not use freedos, I am a strict DOS user. By > which I mean, not using an emulation, with only DOS on my machines. > For well ever I have used the edition of pk zip et, al. from 1999, > which I believe was the last dos edition created by that company. > I have a large archive of all text files, and am getting errors, creating > sub directories, stating the file name is incorrect, even though the > latter > is wrong. > As a result, I am wondering if there is a different strictly for DOS > program for managing compressed files? > thanks for any ideas. > Karen > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] zip programs and pure DOS?
Hi Karen, as long as you do not need 8086 compatibility, both infozip and 7zip should work great for you for processing zip files. With 7zip, you can in addition also process 7z files, bz2, gz and tar files and some other formats if you like. While DOS PK zip was powerful at the time, infozip is more modern. As 7zip and infozip also have Windows and Linux versions, you do not have to worry about compatibility with other users either. http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.2/repos/pkg-html/zip.html (zip and unzip in freedos are by default the ones from infozip) http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.2/repos/pkg-html/p7zip.html Regards, Eric ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] zip programs and pure DOS?
greetings folks, as stated often, while I do not use freedos, I am a strict DOS user. By which I mean, not using an emulation, with only DOS on my machines. For well ever I have used the edition of pk zip et, al. from 1999, which I believe was the last dos edition created by that company. I have a large archive of all text files, and am getting errors, creating sub directories, stating the file name is incorrect, even though the latter is wrong. As a result, I am wondering if there is a different strictly for DOS program for managing compressed files? thanks for any ideas. Karen ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
