Re: [FRIAM] [WedTech] Android: Root It? Or are there phones that come unlocked/jailbroken?
[Note: widened from wedtech to include friam, see attached.] From /.: Advocacy Group Files FCC Complaint Over Verizon Tethering Ban http://goo.gl/ynL9A I believe I now am in the same spot with android as with iphone: I will have to at least jail break any phone I own, and heck, might as well unlock it while I'm at it. This surprises me. Android was to be the hacker's delight, a Google no evil phone that allows me to use it as I please. Not a sissy iphone where Apple rules my life and limits my options. After yesterdays announcement of the iTunes cloud (where they store not only your bought media in their cloud, but any CDs you rip and have in iTunes!!), I'm rethinking just how free Google etc are over Apple. I still plan to complete my conversion to gmail, and the Google ecology has lots of advantages. But Apple is gaining fast with everything (mail, contacts, calendar, music, bookmarks, ...) in iCloud and accessible everywhere. If this works, and that's a big IF, and if they can be cross-platform .. at least windows if not linux/unix (a bigger IF!), Google will start to look like a chaotic mess of non-integrated parts while Apple, once again, solves the user's problem. http://daringfireball.net/2011/06/demoted -- Owen On Jun 3, 2011, at 10:56 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote: The Vibrant came with tethering and wifi hotspot applications installed, but I haven't tried them. You want an unlocked phone, then buy a Nexus-S. Consider it a $500 vote for the phone you want to use. You want a subsidized phone, then be prepared to put up with all the crapware and attempts to control your usage that the manufacturers and carriers feel like trying out on you. -- rec -- On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 9:44 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: I thought android was open .. i.e. you could install just about anything you'd like. But I just read about tethering wifi, and the story had options from rooting the phone to fairly expensive (and dubious) apps. So what's the deal here. Is it open? Or am I back to hacking my phone like I had to do with iPhone jailbrake/unlock? Or is it somewhere in between. How many of us are tethering wifi nowadays? Do the carriers care? -- Owen -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Android: Root It? Or are there phones that come unlocked/jailbroken?
This is more about the hardware manufacturer and the service provider, not the operating system. FWIW, Samsung is very friendly. I have a Motorola. They're relatively neutral. Verizon is not friendly. Apple is an enemy. T-Mobile is neutral. Cricket is friendly (so far). I can't imagine anyone _not_ rooting their phone and replacing their operating system at will. It boggles my mind that so many tech savvy people enslave themselves to a corporate cabal. Owen Densmore wrote at 06/07/2011 09:27 AM: [Note: widened from wedtech to include friam, see attached.] From /.: Advocacy Group Files FCC Complaint Over Verizon Tethering Ban http://goo.gl/ynL9A I believe I now am in the same spot with android as with iphone: I will have to at least jail break any phone I own, and heck, might as well unlock it while I'm at it. This surprises me. Android was to be the hacker's delight, a Google no evil phone that allows me to use it as I please. Not a sissy iphone where Apple rules my life and limits my options. After yesterdays announcement of the iTunes cloud (where they store not only your bought media in their cloud, but any CDs you rip and have in iTunes!!), I'm rethinking just how free Google etc are over Apple. I still plan to complete my conversion to gmail, and the Google ecology has lots of advantages. But Apple is gaining fast with everything (mail, contacts, calendar, music, bookmarks, ...) in iCloud and accessible everywhere. If this works, and that's a big IF, and if they can be cross-platform .. at least windows if not linux/unix (a bigger IF!), Google will start to look like a chaotic mess of non-integrated parts while Apple, once again, solves the user's problem. http://daringfireball.net/2011/06/demoted -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] [WedTech] Android: Root It? Or are there phones that come unlocked/jailbroken?
I had a short discution with some friends sort of related to the iOS vs Android topic and it came down to this: iOS is a bit more forgiving on the end user end and by and large has a set audiance, while Android has a bit more diversity. Company politics company polotics... I guess it realy comes down to: Ok so wich companies model do you prefer? Android (at least for the moment) being more cloud centric-some free apps some for pay (though cheep) apps? Where as iOS you have only one phone. Some Android OS phones do target specific audiances wich even the relatively conservative CNET has critisized (such as motorolas Defty and Droid). From reviews the Galaxy netpad and phone are relatively light in terms of preinstalled apps.I don't know anything about the icloud it might be a bit early to say-googles been in the cloud model for longer than apple. On the other hand Apples has been in the OS and Computing business long enough that they could have a sexy nich. The question you may want to ask yourself though is since both companies are being dicks which one is the smaller dick? All cariers suck to be honest. Though verizon slightly less so. And yes to 'do as I please with a netpad and or AndroidOS phone you'll need to be prepared to pay a lot. Although with a few small exceptions everyphone and netpad have some mechanic to unlock them. On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: [Note: widened from wedtech to include friam, see attached.] From /.: Advocacy Group Files FCC Complaint Over Verizon Tethering Ban http://goo.gl/ynL9A I believe I now am in the same spot with android as with iphone: I will have to at least jail break any phone I own, and heck, might as well unlock it while I'm at it. This surprises me. Android was to be the hacker's delight, a Google no evil phone that allows me to use it as I please. Not a sissy iphone where Apple rules my life and limits my options. After yesterdays announcement of the iTunes cloud (where they store not only your bought media in their cloud, but any CDs you rip and have in iTunes!!), I'm rethinking just how free Google etc are over Apple. I still plan to complete my conversion to gmail, and the Google ecology has lots of advantages. But Apple is gaining fast with everything (mail, contacts, calendar, music, bookmarks, ...) in iCloud and accessible everywhere. If this works, and that's a big IF, and if they can be cross-platform .. at least windows if not linux/unix (a bigger IF!), Google will start to look like a chaotic mess of non-integrated parts while Apple, once again, solves the user's problem. http://daringfireball.net/2011/06/demoted -- Owen On Jun 3, 2011, at 10:56 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote: The Vibrant came with tethering and wifi hotspot applications installed, but I haven't tried them. You want an unlocked phone, then buy a Nexus-S. Consider it a $500 vote for the phone you want to use. You want a subsidized phone, then be prepared to put up with all the crapware and attempts to control your usage that the manufacturers and carriers feel like trying out on you. -- rec -- On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 9:44 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: I thought android was open .. i.e. you could install just about anything you'd like. But I just read about tethering wifi, and the story had options from rooting the phone to fairly expensive (and dubious) apps. So what's the deal here. Is it open? Or am I back to hacking my phone like I had to do with iPhone jailbrake/unlock? Or is it somewhere in between. How many of us are tethering wifi nowadays? Do the carriers care? -- Owen -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] [WedTech] Android: Root It? Or are there phones that come unlocked/jailbroken?
On Jun 7, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Tom Johnson wrote: See this: Rooting Your Android Phone: FAQ http://www.pcworld.com/article/214697/article.html#tk.nl_pvx_h_crawl I'm using a variety of apps -- primarily DropBox, but others like Gladinet.com -- that sync everything to my Cloud storage without anything that Apple might come up with. Good pointer, thanks. I've had to jailbreak then unlock my iPhone. I believe rooting is equivalent to jailbreak, right? I'm not sure if I need to unlock the phone myself, tmobile has always been willing to send me the codes for it when I travel to europe. And I certainly don't want to unlock just to go to ATT! -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Android: Root It? Or are there phones that come unlocked/jailbroken?
I completely appreciate the sentiment of hacking things to do what they weren't intended to do. I also am sympathetic with the irritation with corporate deals that leave us with products that have what feel like arbitrary restrictions (iPhone only works with ATT)... But at the same time... I agree with Eric's point... vote with your feet (wallet). I've a friend whose first response to any new interesting piece of tech is: I can't wait to run that thing through a band saw! Glen, If by "enslaved to a corporate cabal" you mean that I use my cell phone mostly as a phone, I can tell you it doesn't feel that bad. Personally, I have trouble imagining why anyone would want to do otherwise. The complaints of people who have to 'go through the trouble' to jailbreak iPhones, for example, strike me as silly. If you don't like what the iPhone is, why did you buy one? It's like someone who buys a new house and then complains it is not laid out the way they want, and then complains about how hard it was to redo the floor plan: You know there were other houses, right? You know it was a perfectly functional house already, right? Now, I'm not against tinkering with things. If you are the type of person that likes to buy things intended for one purpose and modify them for other purposes, then I support you, and am at times a comrade in arms. But if that were the case, there would be no reason to complain. Ah well, slave signing out, Eric On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 12:43 PM, "glen e. p. ropella" g...@tempusdictum.com wrote: This is more about the hardware manufacturer and the service provider, not the operating system. FWIW, Samsung is very friendly. I have a Motorola. They're relatively neutral. Verizon is not friendly. Apple is an enemy. T-Mobile is neutral. Cricket is friendly (so far). I can't imagine anyone _not_ rooting their phone and replacing their operating system at will. It boggles my mind that so many tech savvy people enslave themselves to a corporate cabal. Owen Densmore wrote at 06/07/2011 09:27 AM: [Note: widened from wedtech to include friam, see attached.] From /.: Advocacy Group Files FCC Complaint Over Verizon Tethering Ban http://goo.gl/ynL9A I believe I now am in the same spot with android as with iphone: I will have to at least jail break any phone I own, and heck, might as well unlock it while I'm at it. This surprises me. Android was to be the hacker's delight, a Google "no evil" phone that allows me to use it as I please. Not a sissy iphone where Apple rules my life and limits my options. After yesterdays announcement of the iTunes cloud (where they store not only your bought media in their cloud, but any CDs you rip and have in iTunes!!), I'm rethinking just how free Google etc are over Apple. I still plan to complete my conversion to gmail, and the Google ecology has lots of advantages. But Apple is gaining fast with everything (mail, contacts, calendar, music, bookmarks, ...) in iCloud and accessible everywhere. If this works, and that's a big IF, and if they can be cross-platform .. at least windows if not linux/unix (a bigger IF!), Google will start to look like a chaotic mess of non-integrated parts while Apple, once again, solves the user's problem. http://daringfireball.net/2011/06/demoted -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org Eric Charles Professional Student and Assistant Professor of Psychology Penn State University Altoona, PA 16601 FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] [WedTech] Android: Root It? Or are there phones that come unlocked/jailbroken?
(mail, contacts, calendar, music, bookmarks, ...) Which of these didn't google have in the cloud before apple? ;) FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Android: Root It? Or are there phones that come unlocked/jailbroken?
ERIC P. CHARLES wrote at 06/07/2011 12:59 PM: If by enslaved to a corporate cabal you mean that I use my cell phone mostly as a phone, No, it really has nothing to do with _how_ you use any given device. It's more about what you're paying for. Did you pay for an actual _thing_ or did you pay for a key to a door or facility, someone else's property? The whole SaaS paradigm is reprehensible to a given degree. You buy a phone and you really don't own anything. What you've bought is really a fake, kinda startup fee.[*] If you stop paying the monthly fee, that initial $100 or $150 is lost in the wind. If they were more honest about it, they'd treat these devices like the cable companies or ISPs treat their modems. You either buy the thing outright (and admit that it'll be largely useless when you quit) or you lease it during the time you use their service. Personally, I have trouble imagining why anyone would want to do otherwise. The complaints of people who have to 'go through the trouble' to jailbreak iPhones, for example, strike me as silly. If you don't like what the iPhone is, why did you buy one? It's like someone who buys a new house and then complains it is not laid out the way they want, and then complains about how hard it was to redo the floor plan: You know there were other houses, right? You know it was a perfectly functional house already, right? I suppose there are two ways to think about this. (There are 2 types of people in the world: 1) those who divide the people in the world into 2 types and 2) those who don't.) 1) There are those of us who find satisfaction in _doing_ rather than having, and 2) There are those of us who enjoy nesting, i.e. surrounding ourselves with our own accomplishments. (1) and (2) are, by no means, disjoint. When I look at my phone, I see things that I've achieved (on the shoulders of giants, of course). That's satisfying to some extent. Similarly, when the phone behaves in some way that I didn't expect, it is relatively trivial for me to figure out why it behaved that way and why I expected something different. Had I not rooted it and replaced the OS, this would not be the case. The former is a result of (2) and the latter is a result of (1). If you think either (1) or (2) are silly, then we are at a rhetorical impasse. ;-) What boggles my mind are the tech-savvy people who seem to blank out on some things. Like a programmer who can't change their own oil. Or a mechanic who is baffled by computers. By saying it boggles me, I'm not implying that they are _silly_, or wrong, or whatever. It just confuses me. It seems that you either want to know how things work, or you don't. It is _so_ EASY to root and replace the OS on Android phones that I can't imagine any tech savvy person with disposable income _not_ doing so. [*] There's also a kind of consumerist, disposable culture, influence at work, here. If you don't/can't root and replace the OS on your cell phone, then that phone is a lot like a Bic lighter or disposable razor. Your supposed to use it once, then throw it into some landfill because it's become useless. Now, I'm no tree-hugging liberal. But it seems to me that this disposable computer culture lacks an ability to account for its externalities. I should be able to use my phone for many years. And if, in order to do that, I have to maintain the OS _myself_, then I should be allowed to do so. I used my G1 long past the point where T-Mobile was pushing updates only because I used CyanogenMod. And when I finally found the $$ to buy a new phone, I passed that old G1 on to a less fortunate, but more geeky, friend who is still using it. I can say the same about many of the desk- and lap-tops around my house. And when they are finally of no use to me, I give them to FreeGeek.org, who refurbishes them and gives them to people who don't have computers. It just seems reasonable to me; but perhaps I've drunk too much Kool Aid? -- glen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Android: Root It? Or are there phones that come unlocked/jailbroken?
I understand wanting to know how things work. My problem is that I don't have the time to work on all the things that I might work on. If I had an Android phone (I don't but not for any important reason), I doubt that I would have the time to work on it. There are too many other things I want to spend my time doing. My wife's computer is always doing something flaky. I'm the one she looks to for help. Often it's not too much of a hassle. But there are times when it takes forever to track down what's wrong. I don't want to spend too much of my time doing that--even though it's nice to find out what's really going on. My life is full enough with technology that I often really like having a gadget that just works--and I don't have to think about it. In fact, that should be one of the selling points of the iPhone and iPad. My complaint about them is that they don't live up to that promise. *-- Russ * On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 3:21 PM, glen g...@ropella.name wrote: ERIC P. CHARLES wrote at 06/07/2011 12:59 PM: If by enslaved to a corporate cabal you mean that I use my cell phone mostly as a phone, No, it really has nothing to do with _how_ you use any given device. It's more about what you're paying for. Did you pay for an actual _thing_ or did you pay for a key to a door or facility, someone else's property? The whole SaaS paradigm is reprehensible to a given degree. You buy a phone and you really don't own anything. What you've bought is really a fake, kinda startup fee.[*] If you stop paying the monthly fee, that initial $100 or $150 is lost in the wind. If they were more honest about it, they'd treat these devices like the cable companies or ISPs treat their modems. You either buy the thing outright (and admit that it'll be largely useless when you quit) or you lease it during the time you use their service. Personally, I have trouble imagining why anyone would want to do otherwise. The complaints of people who have to 'go through the trouble' to jailbreak iPhones, for example, strike me as silly. If you don't like what the iPhone is, why did you buy one? It's like someone who buys a new house and then complains it is not laid out the way they want, and then complains about how hard it was to redo the floor plan: You know there were other houses, right? You know it was a perfectly functional house already, right? I suppose there are two ways to think about this. (There are 2 types of people in the world: 1) those who divide the people in the world into 2 types and 2) those who don't.) 1) There are those of us who find satisfaction in _doing_ rather than having, and 2) There are those of us who enjoy nesting, i.e. surrounding ourselves with our own accomplishments. (1) and (2) are, by no means, disjoint. When I look at my phone, I see things that I've achieved (on the shoulders of giants, of course). That's satisfying to some extent. Similarly, when the phone behaves in some way that I didn't expect, it is relatively trivial for me to figure out why it behaved that way and why I expected something different. Had I not rooted it and replaced the OS, this would not be the case. The former is a result of (2) and the latter is a result of (1). If you think either (1) or (2) are silly, then we are at a rhetorical impasse. ;-) What boggles my mind are the tech-savvy people who seem to blank out on some things. Like a programmer who can't change their own oil. Or a mechanic who is baffled by computers. By saying it boggles me, I'm not implying that they are _silly_, or wrong, or whatever. It just confuses me. It seems that you either want to know how things work, or you don't. It is _so_ EASY to root and replace the OS on Android phones that I can't imagine any tech savvy person with disposable income _not_ doing so. [*] There's also a kind of consumerist, disposable culture, influence at work, here. If you don't/can't root and replace the OS on your cell phone, then that phone is a lot like a Bic lighter or disposable razor. Your supposed to use it once, then throw it into some landfill because it's become useless. Now, I'm no tree-hugging liberal. But it seems to me that this disposable computer culture lacks an ability to account for its externalities. I should be able to use my phone for many years. And if, in order to do that, I have to maintain the OS _myself_, then I should be allowed to do so. I used my G1 long past the point where T-Mobile was pushing updates only because I used CyanogenMod. And when I finally found the $$ to buy a new phone, I passed that old G1 on to a less fortunate, but more geeky, friend who is still using it. I can say the same about many of the desk- and lap-tops around my house. And when they are finally of no use to me, I give them to FreeGeek.org, who refurbishes them and gives them to people who don't have computers. It just seems reasonable to me; but perhaps
Re: [FRIAM] Android: Root It? Or are there phones that come unlocked/jailbroken?
Russ Abbott wrote at 06/07/2011 04:11 PM: often really like having a gadget that just works--and I don't have to think about it. In fact, that should be one of the selling points of the iPhone and iPad. My complaint about them is that they don't live up to that promise. I understand. To me this is the greatest confidence scheme we've ever experienced. Technology (tools) does not solve problems, regardless of how often or how vehemently the tool producers claim they do. Tools don't solve problems. Tool users solve problems. So, it's a shock when we snap out of it and realize that we've been conned. Anyone who promises that a given tool or device that just works is selling snake oil and ocean front property in Nevada. -- glen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
[FRIAM] entire galactic sky via 624 12 deg areas 5, 000 MPx, Photopic Sky Survey, Nick Risinger -- fractal 3D dark mesh?: Rich Murray 2011.06.07
entire galactic sky via 624 12 deg areas 5,000 MPx, Photopic Sky Survey, Nick Risinger -- fractal 3D dark mesh?: Rich Murray 2011.06.07 http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2011_06_01_archive.htm Tuesday, June 7, 2011 [ at end of each long page, click on Older Posts ] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/astrodeep/message/86 [ you may have to Copy and Paste URLs into your browser ] ___ You can locate Andromeda Galaxy in the lower left of this vast image, and zoom in until it fills half the full screen, showing its major dark lanes. About the size of our galaxy, it is 140,000 light years wide, about 2.5 million light years away, with an visual size of about 3 degrees. The Sun and Moon are about 0.5 degrees wide. I notice that zooming in on the edges of our galaxy reveals ubiquitous apparent complex fractal 3D dark mesh, like a loosely woven wool sweater -- also noticable in my closeups from the Hubble Ultra Deep Field, with the gamma doubled to lighten dark areas, and colors saturated. http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/geekend/photographer-captures-entire-night-sky-in-massive-image/7099?tag=nl.e101 http://skysurvey.org/ Geekend Photographer captures entire night sky in massive image By Wally Bahny June 2, 2011, 11:37 AM PDT Takeaway: Astrophotographer Nick Risinger traveled 60,000 miles and took 37,440 exposures to create a 5,000 megapixel photo of the entire night sky. Learn more about his Photopic Sky Survey. How long would it take to photograph the entire night sky? Even more, what would it take to capture tens of millions of stars -- more than are commonly visible to the naked eye? Photographer Nick Risinger has the answer: one year and 60,000 miles of travel thanks to his Photopic Sky Survey, which consists of 37,440 exposures captured in the American west and South Africa. Using an array of six cameras mounted on a tripod designed to move with the Earth’s spin, Risinger spent innumerable nights under these same stars listening to the click-clack of camera shutters opening and closing. Using a grid of 624 uniformly-spaced areas of the sky -- each a mere 12 degrees in height and containing 60 exposures to reduce the amount of satellites, meteors, and other unwanted objects -- he then stitched the images together to form a gigantic, 5,000 megapixel photograph that can be viewed on his site, using a simple zoom applet, http://media.skysurvey.org/openzoom.html or more in-depth with the Interactive 360 degree panorama. http://media.skysurvey.org/interactive360/index.html The Interactive view is especially nice because it comes with a constellation and key objects overlay. Several objects, such as the planets and some nebulae, even have clickable links to the Wikipedia article about that object. If you really like what you see on the Photopic Sky Survey site, you can order an archival print of an image. http://skysurvey.org/prints/index.html These prints have century-plus image stability and are very high quality. Please note, at this time, the only print available pre-mounted is the 60in x30in version. The checkout process is limited to certain countries so if you live outside the U.S. please contact me first at nrisin...@skysurvey.org 60in x 15in Photo Print on Kodak Metallic Endura gloss $200 unmounted 96in x 24in Giclee Print on satin $300 unmounted 120in x 30in Photo Print on Kodak Metallic Endura gloss $500 unmounted 60in x 30in Photo Print on Kodak Metallic Endura gloss $350 unmounted The images below are freely available under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial license, attributed as Nick Risinger, skysurvey.org 3000x1500 (2.4MB) http://skysurvey.org/3000_CC_BY-NC.jpg 1920x1080 1280x800 Image courtesy of Nick Risinger, skysurvey.org. (Thanks to TechRepublic’s Mark Kaelin for the tip.) __ HUDF center top left, #90 astrodeep200407aab10ada.png 3.68 MB 1244X1243 1 of 4 identical views with different color schemes 2008.12.12 #88-91 on rmforall at flickr.com: Rich Murray 2011.01.09 http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2011_01_01_archive.htm Sunday, January 9, 2011 [ at end of each long page, click on Older Posts ] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/astrodeep/message/80 [ you may have to Copy and Paste URLs into your browser ] ___ for viewing -- click on Actions to get different sizes and for free download http://www.flickr.com/photos/rmforall/3103426063/in/photostream/ #89 astrodeep200407aab10aea.png 4.14 MB 1244X1283 HUDF center top left This image is 6.3x6.3 arc-seconds, 3.965% of the area of the Hubble Ultra Deep Field, which is 186 arc-seconds wide and high = 3.1 arc-minutes = 1/10 width of the Full Moon or Sun, about 0.5 degrees, so the HUDF is about 1% of the area of the square that holds the Full Moon or Sun, short introduction re viewing lovely subtle earliest structures in HUDF: AstroDeep, Rich Murray 2009.02.23 I've found since 2005 myriad
