[FRIAM] The Two Party System
I watched the party congress in China today and thought what a difference to the US election. In the US there was a year long multi billion dollar campaign for each party, in China none at all. In the US we have a simple two party system, in China a single party system. What do you think? Is China's model the future? -J. Sent from Android FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
[FRIAM] Fwd: Hacking the President's DNA—New Article
Awesome article, Steven. Congratulations! -S -- Forwarded message -- From: Steven Kotler ste...@stevenkotler.com Date: Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 7:47 AM Subject: Hacking the President's DNA—New Article To: Stephen stephen.gue...@redfish.com ** Hacking the President's DNA, a very scary look at our very near future. Email not displaying correctly? View it in your browserhttp://us4.campaign-archive1.com/?u=621b2a5708f21c5eb3b807339id=08d10a9d38e=01bb39b98b. Reporting Back from Far Frontiers [image: Steven Kotler]http://stevenkotler.us4.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=621b2a5708f21c5eb3b807339id=add7252869e=01bb39b98b The Cutting Edge of Disruptive technology, Guerilla Neuroscience and Adrenaline Sport Some New Tales To Tell: Over a year in the making, I have a new article out in the *Atlantic Monthly. *It's written in conjunction with synthetic biology expert Andrew Hessel and global security expert Marc Goodman. The story examines the dawning of an era of personalized bio-weapons and the grave threat they pose to national security. Hacking the President's DNAhttp://stevenkotler.us4.list-manage.com/track/click?u=621b2a5708f21c5eb3b807339id=efa53f5e52e=01bb39b98b follow on Twitter http://Twitter+Account+not+yet+Authorized | friend on Facebook #13ae07e026671005_ | forward to a friendhttp://us4.forward-to-friend1.com/forward?u=621b2a5708f21c5eb3b807339id=08d10a9d38e=01bb39b98b *Copyright © 2012 Steven Kotler, All rights reserved.* You are receiving this email because you opted in at www.stevenkotler.com *Our mailing address is:* Steven Kotler PO Box 825 Chimayo, NM 87522 Add us to your address bookhttp://stevenkotler.us4.list-manage2.com/vcard?u=621b2a5708f21c5eb3b807339id=57f37d703a [image: Email Marketing Powered by MailChimp]http://www.mailchimp.com/monkey-rewards/?utm_source=freemium_newsletterutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=monkey_rewardsaid=621b2a5708f21c5eb3b807339afl=1 unsubscribe from this listhttp://stevenkotler.us4.list-manage.com/unsubscribe?u=621b2a5708f21c5eb3b807339id=57f37d703ae=01bb39b98bc=08d10a9d38| update subscription preferenceshttp://stevenkotler.us4.list-manage1.com/profile?u=621b2a5708f21c5eb3b807339id=57f37d703ae=01bb39b98b -- --- -. . ..-. .. ... - .-- --- ..-. .. ... stephen.gue...@redfish.com office: 505-995-0206 tollfree: 888-414-3855 mobile: 505-577-5828 tw: @redfishgroup redfish.com | simtable.com | cityknowledge.net FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Eileen Mendel wants to share new pictures with you
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Re: [FRIAM] The Two Party System
The 1 2 party systems are the only ones avoiding the pitfalls of Arrow's Impossibility Theorem. http://www.udel.edu/johnmack/frec444/444voting.html But what about 2.5 parties? By this I mean guys running but with no possibility of winning .. the so called third party candidates in the US? They are often seen as spoilers, by taking away votes from the two possible candidates in a 2 party system. But to the point, No I don't think China's system is the future. The world appears to like multiparty systems, increasingly with fair voting tossed in with some sort of recursive run-off schemes. So I wonder what's it like in a true multi-party system like most of Europe has? Is it effective? interesting? confusing? fun? Are the populations aware of Arrow? Does it avoid grid-lock? -- Owen On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 1:54 AM, Jochen Fromm j...@cas-group.net wrote: I watched the party congress in China today and thought what a difference to the US election. In the US there was a year long multi billion dollar campaign for each party, in China none at all. In the US we have a simple two party system, in China a single party system. What do you think? Is China's model the future? -J. Sent from Android FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Eileen Mendel wants to share new pictures with you
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Re: [FRIAM] Eileen Mendel wants to share new pictures with you
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Robert Holmes rob...@robertholmes.org wrote: According to their website it's where you can create and share your romantic journey. It seems that FRIAM has a suitor… Ok...take a deep breath. Let's not come on too strong. And for God sakes, don't reveal Doug too soon. :-) -S -- --- -. . ..-. .. ... - .-- --- ..-. .. ... stephen.gue...@redfish.com office: 505-995-0206 tollfree: 888-414-3855 mobile: 505-577-5828 tw: @redfishgroup redfish.com | simtable.com | cityknowledge.net FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Hacking the President's DNA—New Article
Ditto on the congratulations to Kotler! I have some questions for the list (composed of a mixture of optimists and pessimists, all technophiles): 1. What do you think of Singularity University and the ideas presented in Kotler/Diamandis' book Abundance? 2. What do you think of the *apparent* abundance of Exponential Technologies in the world today? 3. Are Exponential Technologies an emergent phenomena of Technology (and Economic?) Networks? 4. If not a literal Singularity, is there a subcritical Technological Explosion underway? 5. Are there good existing models for understanding this phenomena? 6. What moderating factors might exist, limiting this explosion from being an effective singularity? 7. What are the likely intrinsic time scales in such models? 8. How might such technological networks couple with social networks? Just to keep gnawing the Political Bone... what is the influence of the Conservative (fiscal and social) vs the Progressive (social)? Both are mixed bags of pro/anti science/engineering. Stem Cells V GMO crops... Creation V Evolution... Fracking, Climate Manipulation, ... etc. Is a new concept of ethics required in these times of outrageous growth/progress in technology? - Steve Awesome article, Steven. Congratulations! -S -- Forwarded message -- From: *Steven Kotler* ste...@stevenkotler.com mailto:ste...@stevenkotler.com Date: Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 7:47 AM Subject: Hacking the President's DNA—New Article To: Stephen stephen.gue...@redfish.com mailto:stephen.gue...@redfish.com Hacking the President's DNA, a very scary look at our very near future. Email not displaying correctly? View it in your browser http://us4.campaign-archive1.com/?u=621b2a5708f21c5eb3b807339id=08d10a9d38e=01bb39b98b. Reporting Back from Far Frontiers Steven Kotler http://stevenkotler.us4.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=621b2a5708f21c5eb3b807339id=add7252869e=01bb39b98b The Cutting Edge of Disruptive technology, Guerilla Neuroscience and Adrenaline Sport Some New Tales To Tell: Over a year in the making, I have a new article out in the /Atlantic Monthly. /It's written in conjunction with synthetic biology expert Andrew Hessel and global security expert Marc Goodman. The story examines the dawning of an era of personalized bio-weapons and the grave threat they pose to national security. Hacking the President's DNA http://stevenkotler.us4.list-manage.com/track/click?u=621b2a5708f21c5eb3b807339id=efa53f5e52e=01bb39b98b follow on Twitter http://Twitter+Account+not+yet+Authorized | friend on Facebook #13ae07e026671005_ | forward to a friend http://us4.forward-to-friend1.com/forward?u=621b2a5708f21c5eb3b807339id=08d10a9d38e=01bb39b98b /Copyright © 2012 Steven Kotler, All rights reserved./ You are receiving this email because you opted in at www.stevenkotler.com http://www.stevenkotler.com *Our mailing address is:* Steven Kotler PO Box 825 Chimayo, NM 87522 Add us to your address book http://stevenkotler.us4.list-manage2.com/vcard?u=621b2a5708f21c5eb3b807339id=57f37d703a Email Marketing Powered by MailChimp http://www.mailchimp.com/monkey-rewards/?utm_source=freemium_newsletterutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=monkey_rewardsaid=621b2a5708f21c5eb3b807339afl=1 unsubscribe from this list http://stevenkotler.us4.list-manage.com/unsubscribe?u=621b2a5708f21c5eb3b807339id=57f37d703ae=01bb39b98bc=08d10a9d38 | update subscription preferences http://stevenkotler.us4.list-manage1.com/profile?u=621b2a5708f21c5eb3b807339id=57f37d703ae=01bb39b98b -- --- -. . ..-. .. ... - .-- --- ..-. .. ... stephen.gue...@redfish.com office: 505-995-0206 tollfree: 888-414-3855 mobile: 505-577-5828 tw: @redfishgroup redfish.com http://redfish.com/ | simtable.com http://simtable.com/ | cityknowledge.net http://cityknowledge.net FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] The Two Party System
Most European countries do quite well with a multi-party system, e.g. Germany, England, France, Poland). And a parliamentary or semi-parliamentary system is much more responsive to public opinion than a purely presidential system. cheers, Paul -Original Message- From: Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net To: Jochen Fromm j...@cas-group.net; The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group friam@redfish.com Sent: Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:37 am Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The Two Party System The 1 2 party systems are the only ones avoiding the pitfalls of Arrow's Impossibility Theorem. http://www.udel.edu/johnmack/frec444/444voting.html But what about 2.5 parties? By this I mean guys running but with no possibility of winning .. the so called third party candidates in the US? They are often seen as spoilers, by taking away votes from the two possible candidates in a 2 party system. But to the point, No I don't think China's system is the future. The world appears to like multiparty systems, increasingly with fair voting tossed in with some sort of recursive run-off schemes. So I wonder what's it like in a true multi-party system like most of Europe has? Is it effective? interesting? confusing? fun? Are the populations aware of Arrow? Does it avoid grid-lock? -- Owen On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 1:54 AM, Jochen Fromm j...@cas-group.net wrote: I watched the party congress in China today and thought what a difference to the US election. In the US there was a year long multi billion dollar campaign for each party, in China none at all. In the US we have a simple two party system, in China a single party system. What do you think? Is China's model the future? -J. Sent from Android FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] The Two Party System
I'll comment again that in 1960 in Italy I was at first intrigued that parties actually stood for something, whereas Republicans and Democrats seemed Tweedledum and Tweedledee. However, at least at that time, Italian politics was pretty dysfunctional in part because the hard ideological positions of the many parties prevented compromise, and compromise is at the heart of functional politics. Given our current situation in the US, gridlock would seem to be a property of hard positions, independent of how many parties there are. And Italian politics is still dysfunctional. Bruce On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: So I wonder what's it like in a true multi-party system like most of Europe has? Is it effective? interesting? confusing? fun? Are the populations aware of Arrow? Does it avoid grid-lock? -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Eileen Mendel wants to share new pictures with you
They eventually find me, no matter where I hide. Stand back, I'll take care of this. :) -Doug On Nov 8, 2012 9:08 AM, Stephen Guerin stephen.gue...@redfish.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Robert Holmes rob...@robertholmes.org wrote: According to their website it's where you can create and share your romantic journey. It seems that FRIAM has a suitor… Ok...take a deep breath. Let's not come on too strong. And for God sakes, don't reveal Doug too soon. :-) -S -- --- -. . ..-. .. ... - .-- --- ..-. .. ... stephen.gue...@redfish.com office: 505-995-0206 tollfree: 888-414-3855 mobile: 505-577-5828 tw: @redfishgroup redfish.com | simtable.com | cityknowledge.net FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] The Two Party System
Owen Densmore wrote at 11/08/2012 08:36 AM: The 1 2 party systems are the only ones avoiding the pitfalls of Arrow's Impossibility Theorem. http://www.udel.edu/johnmack/frec444/444voting.html 1. If and individual or group prefers A to B and B to C, then A is preferred to C (transitivity). 2. The preferences must be restricted to the complete set of options. 3. If each individual prefers A to B, then the group must also. 4. No individual's preferences can necessarily dictate group preferences. 5. The group's pairwise preference ordering is independent of irrelevant alternatives, i.e. determined solely by individual's pairwise preference orderings. I'm sure I'm being dense. But I don't see any need for rules 2, 3, or 5. And 1 is suspect, as well. So, I wouldn't accept this as an argument against 3 viable parties. Can each of these rules be defended? ... with any kind of evidence (as opposed to ideology)? So I wonder what's it like in a true multi-party system like most of Europe has? Is it effective? interesting? confusing? fun? Are the populations aware of Arrow? Does it avoid grid-lock? I've been told (sans evidence) that multi-party systems risk a situation where each party represents a geographical region. I can also _imagine_ that parties would form around single (or clusters of) issues. That sort of thing makes me think that there should be an upper limit on the number of parties. But what's the limit? And what's the limit a function of? Perhaps the limit could be a function of (clusters of) land area, population diversity, and issue diversity? For example, I'd love to have two axes, in the US: fiscal (conservative vs. liberal) and social (conservative vs. liberal). I can imagine this would nicely lead to a party limit of 9: 1. Fiscal Conservative (FC), Social Conservative (SC) 2. Fiscal Moderate (FM), SC 3. Fiscal Liberal (FL), SC 4. FC, Social Moderate (SM) 5. FM, SM 6. FL, SM 7. FC, Social Liberal (SL) 8. FM, SL 9. FL, SL If there's an upper limit, then there should probably be a lower limit. If the limits are based on clusters of region, demographic, and issue, then there can never really be a single party. Perhaps a utopian ideology would allow it, but no reality would. I can, however, imagine a large distance between the most important issue (say emergency preparedness or WAR!) and the rest of the issues. That scenario would allow a single axis with a party on each side and perhaps in the middle. That implies that 2 or 3 is the lower limit. Frankly, if someone started a moderate party, I might actually register as a member, something I've never done and will never do as long as there are only 2 nationally viable parties. One thing that would be interesting is if I were allowed to affiliate locally with 1 party but state-wide with another, and nationally with yet another. -- glen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] The Two Party System
Owen, A math prof here gives good election year math club talk and covers Arrow's work. While Arrow is quite correct that: democracy is mathematically arbitrary. It is also pretty easy to demonstrate that vote for one person and the plurality wins everything is the worst option. If you take any of the other systems, you can create scenarios in which someone wins who seems like they shouldn't, but those problems occur in a small and specifiable set of possible outcomes. The example on the website is well-crafted to make each system pick a different candidate, but usually there would be good agreement between the methods. (Hey, that sounds like a simulation project!) Eric P.S. Having watched from afar, I really like some of the effects of the British multi-party system. I like that coalitions must be formed between different sides, which requires finding common ground, and allowing multiple sets of priorities to influence legislation. Of course, it still usually seems like some party is getting screwed and treated unfairly, but at least it is a smaller percentage of the people. On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 11:36 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: The 1 2 party systems are the only ones avoiding the pitfalls of Arrow's Impossibility Theorem. http://www.udel.edu/johnmack/frec444/444voting.html But what about 2.5 parties? By this I mean guys running but with no possibility of winning .. the so called third party candidates in the US? They are often seen as spoilers, by taking away votes from the two possible candidates in a 2 party system. But to the point, No I don't think China's system is the future. The world appears to like multiparty systems, increasingly with fair voting tossed in with some sort of recursive run-off schemes. So I wonder what's it like in a true multi-party system like most of Europe has? Is it effective? interesting? confusing? fun? Are the populations aware of Arrow? Does it avoid grid-lock? -- Owen On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 1:54 AM, Jochen Fromm # wrote: I watched the party congress in China today and thought what a difference to the US election. In the US there was a year long multi billion dollar campaign for each party, in China none at all. In the US we have a simple two party system, in China a single party system. What do you think? Is China's model the future? -J. Sent from Android FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org Eric Charles Assistant Professor of Psychology Penn State University Altoona, PA 16601 FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] The Two Party System
As the guy that just voted indipendendant I'm sick and tired of rebublicans v democrats- Sereosly? Issues seem indipendant of weather someone red, blue orange green purple indigo- It's one countery. From what I gather of german polotics (for example) when there's a issue it's just adressed without to much debate as to what party (or the equivilant there of) could be blamed. Would it be hard to impliment that type of system here? I doubt i'm unique in sofar as polotics is concerned I can see almost nothing but benifit from going to a parilimentarian type of system (as a start)- just get the issues adressed is my feeling. On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: The 1 2 party systems are the only ones avoiding the pitfalls of Arrow's Impossibility Theorem. http://www.udel.edu/johnmack/frec444/444voting.html But what about 2.5 parties? By this I mean guys running but with no possibility of winning .. the so called third party candidates in the US? They are often seen as spoilers, by taking away votes from the two possible candidates in a 2 party system. But to the point, No I don't think China's system is the future. The world appears to like multiparty systems, increasingly with fair voting tossed in with some sort of recursive run-off schemes. So I wonder what's it like in a true multi-party system like most of Europe has? Is it effective? interesting? confusing? fun? Are the populations aware of Arrow? Does it avoid grid-lock? -- Owen On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 1:54 AM, Jochen Fromm j...@cas-group.net wrote: I watched the party congress in China today and thought what a difference to the US election. In the US there was a year long multi billion dollar campaign for each party, in China none at all. In the US we have a simple two party system, in China a single party system. What do you think? Is China's model the future? -J. Sent from Android FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] The Two Party System
Yes, most European countries use a multi-party system and find it acceptable. We have too much bureaucracy in Brussels (i.e. in the EU), though. The amount of advertising and marketing is also on a tolerable level. In the US the money spent for political ads and campaigns is extreme. In China there are no campaigns at all. In this sense, Europe may has found a good compromise between both extremes. -J. Sent from AndroidPaul Paryski ppary...@aol.com wrote:Most European countries do quite well with a multi-party system, e.g. Germany, England, France, Poland). And a parliamentary or semi-parliamentary system is much more responsive to public opinion than a purely presidential system. cheers, Paul -Original Message- From: Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net To: Jochen Fromm j...@cas-group.net; The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group friam@redfish.com Sent: Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:37 am Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The Two Party System The 1 2 party systems are the only ones avoiding the pitfalls of Arrow's Impossibility Theorem. http://www.udel.edu/johnmack/frec444/444voting.html But what about 2.5 parties? By this I mean guys running but with no possibility of winning .. the so called third party candidates in the US? They are often seen as spoilers, by taking away votes from the two possible candidates in a 2 party system. But to the point, No I don't think China's system is the future. The world appears to like multiparty systems, increasingly with fair voting tossed in with some sort of recursive run-off schemes. So I wonder what's it like in a true multi-party system like most of Europe has? Is it effective? interesting? confusing? fun? Are the populations aware of Arrow? Does it avoid grid-lock? -- Owen On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 1:54 AM, Jochen Fromm j...@cas-group.net wrote: I watched the party congress in China today and thought what a difference to the US election. In the US there was a year long multi billion dollar campaign for each party, in China none at all. In the US we have a simple two party system, in China a single party system. What do you think? Is China's model the future? -J. Sent from Android FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
[FRIAM] Will it Blend?
Steve Smith wrote at 11/08/2012 10:37 AM: I have some questions for the list (composed of a mixture of optimists and pessimists, all technophiles): 1. What do you think of Singularity University and the ideas presented in Kotler/Diamandis' book Abundance? Will it Blend? iPad Mini vs Kindle Fire HD vs Nexus 7 http://youtu.be/5MMmLQlrBws -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-255-2847, http://tempusdictum.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Hacking the President's DNA—New Article
Fascinating. The future got here before we did. On Nov 8, 2012, at 8:43 AM, Stephen Guerin wrote: Awesome article, Steven. Congratulations! -S FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
[FRIAM] Apollo Flight Controller 101: Every console explained | Ars Technica
This is something neither Europe nor China has achieved: the Apollo flight to the moon. http://arstechnica.com/science/2012/10/apollo-flight-controller-101-every-console-explained/ -Jochen Sent from Android FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Will it Blend?
I have some questions for the list (composed of a mixture of optimists and pessimists, all technophiles): 1. What do you think of Singularity University and the ideas presented in Kotler/Diamandis' book Abundance? Will it Blend? iPad Mini vs Kindle Fire HD vs Nexus 7 http://youtu.be/5MMmLQlrBws My copy of Abundance did... but Singularity University is a bit larger, has many abstract components, and includes a modest number of people, some of whom are inordinately wealthy.. all things making it difficult to even *try* to blend. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Hacking the President's DNA—New Article
On Thu, Nov 08, 2012 at 11:37:31AM -0700, Steve Smith wrote: 4. If not a literal Singularity, is there a subcritical Technological Explosion underway? The Singularity is based on the technology growth curve becoming hyperbolic (reaching inifnity in finite time), as opposed to exponential (which requires infinite time). So yes, there is a subcritical technological explosion underway. It won't become hyperbolic until we solve the apparently hard problem of creativity. Optimists predict this will happen as soon as 2020 - personally, I think it might take a little longer, but would plug for a value sometime this century. Cheers -- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics hpco...@hpcoders.com.au University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Eileen Mendel wants to share new pictures with you
I am always fascinated by spam - who makes it and why. Fully 50% of the now significant amount of spam I get per week is from Zoosk. At what point does this unintentionally become negative advertising? -Arlo James Barnes On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote: They eventually find me, no matter where I hide. Stand back, I'll take care of this. :) -Doug On Nov 8, 2012 9:08 AM, Stephen Guerin stephen.gue...@redfish.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Robert Holmes rob...@robertholmes.org wrote: According to their website it's where you can create and share your romantic journey. It seems that FRIAM has a suitor… Ok...take a deep breath. Let's not come on too strong. And for God sakes, don't reveal Doug too soon. :-) -S -- --- -. . ..-. .. ... - .-- --- ..-. .. ... stephen.gue...@redfish.com office: 505-995-0206 tollfree: 888-414-3855 mobile: 505-577-5828 tw: @redfishgroup redfish.com | simtable.com | cityknowledge.net FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
