[FRIAM] This is a Real War: Samsung pays Apple $1 Billion Sending 30 Trucks Full of 5 Cent Coins | TCGeeks

2013-07-09 Thread Jack Stafurik
The ball is in Apple's court. Do they have the moxie to come up with a
creative reply?


http://www.tcgeeks.com/this-is-a-real-war-samsung-pays-apple-1-billion-sendi
ng-30-trucks-full-of-5-cent-coins/




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Re: [FRIAM] This is a Real War: Samsung pays Apple $1 Billion Sending 30 Trucks Full of 5 Cent Coins | TCGeeks

2013-07-09 Thread cody dooderson
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2012/aug/29/apple-samsung-trucks-nickels-fake

Cody Smith


On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Jack Stafurik jstafu...@earthlink.netwrote:

 The ball is in Apple's court. Do they have the moxie to come up with a
 creative reply?



 http://www.tcgeeks.com/this-is-a-real-war-samsung-pays-apple-1-billion-sendi
 ng-30-trucks-full-of-5-cent-coins/



 
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Re: [FRIAM] This is a Real War: Samsung pays Apple $1 Billion Sending 30 Trucks Full of 5 Cent Coins | TCGeeks

2013-07-09 Thread Gillian Densmore
Yes the answer is that news story needs to be clarified as: attempted to do
so.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2012/aug/29/apple-samsung-trucks-nickels-fake

On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Jack Stafurik jstafu...@earthlink.netwrote:

 The ball is in Apple's court. Do they have the moxie to come up with a
 creative reply?



 http://www.tcgeeks.com/this-is-a-real-war-samsung-pays-apple-1-billion-sendi
 ng-30-trucks-full-of-5-cent-coins/



 
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Re: [FRIAM] This is a Real War: Samsung pays Apple $1 Billion Sending 30 Trucks Full of 5 Cent Coins | TCGeeks

2013-07-09 Thread Owen Densmore
I liked this:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/aug/28/apple-samsung-foreman-explains
.. in the blog roll to the right of the article.

Explains in detail how the jury worked and made the decision.

Patents are tough.  I got a couple for software, mainly relating to the
fine old NeWS (network extensible window system) but then, while working on
the Java Car, the skunkworks ended up with over a dozen all told.  Takes a
lot of time and is a hassle, but more: they are generally of questionable
worth.

Large companies mainly collect a war chest of them, and generally trade
them back  forth.  IBM actually makes a huge amount per year on patent
licensing.

I think I'm generally against software patents.  But copyright is far more
abused .. it can be extended virtually forever.  Some protection is fine,
but too much is oppressive.

   -- Owen


On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 10:08 AM, cody dooderson d00d3r...@gmail.com wrote:


 http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2012/aug/29/apple-samsung-trucks-nickels-fake

 Cody Smith


 On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Jack Stafurik jstafu...@earthlink.netwrote:

 The ball is in Apple's court. Do they have the moxie to come up with a
 creative reply?



 http://www.tcgeeks.com/this-is-a-real-war-samsung-pays-apple-1-billion-sendi
 ng-30-trucks-full-of-5-cent-coins/http://www.tcgeeks.com/this-is-a-real-war-samsung-pays-apple-1-billion-sending-30-trucks-full-of-5-cent-coins/



 
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Re: [FRIAM] This is a Real War: Samsung pays Apple $1 Billion Sending 30 Trucks Full of 5 Cent Coins | TCGeeks

2013-07-09 Thread Gillian Densmore
I had a feeling the topic of samsung would come up again. To my untrained
eyes how Android looks on my Samsung Glaxy S4-when held next to a iphone-
on the look and feel front don't (to me) look so simmiler that I'd pick up
my samsung and mistake it for a iphone. So it comes down to fair and
reasonable- I'm not a lawyer- I think if I handed my grandpa (bob) my
samsung and dad handed him the iphone and asked him wich he thought was
what- I think even at 90 years old Bob would likely say: aha the one you
gave me gil is-what is that? I think he could tell the apple phone was a
apple phone. I don't understand how that wouldn't be enough to stop junk
lawsuits if the heart of the problem is apple complaining that android or
samsung use rounded corners on some of the buttons.
That being said the Android Apps I like to use are great!
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote:

 I liked this:

 http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/aug/28/apple-samsung-foreman-explains
 .. in the blog roll to the right of the article.

 Explains in detail how the jury worked and made the decision.

 Patents are tough.  I got a couple for software, mainly relating to the
 fine old NeWS (network extensible window system) but then, while working on
 the Java Car, the skunkworks ended up with over a dozen all told.  Takes a
 lot of time and is a hassle, but more: they are generally of questionable
 worth.

 Large companies mainly collect a war chest of them, and generally trade
 them back  forth.  IBM actually makes a huge amount per year on patent
 licensing.

 I think I'm generally against software patents.  But copyright is far more
 abused .. it can be extended virtually forever.  Some protection is fine,
 but too much is oppressive.

-- Owen


 On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 10:08 AM, cody dooderson d00d3r...@gmail.comwrote:


 http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2012/aug/29/apple-samsung-trucks-nickels-fake

 Cody Smith


 On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Jack Stafurik jstafu...@earthlink.netwrote:

 The ball is in Apple's court. Do they have the moxie to come up with a
 creative reply?



 http://www.tcgeeks.com/this-is-a-real-war-samsung-pays-apple-1-billion-sendi
 ng-30-trucks-full-of-5-cent-coins/http://www.tcgeeks.com/this-is-a-real-war-samsung-pays-apple-1-billion-sending-30-trucks-full-of-5-cent-coins/



 
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Re: [FRIAM] This is a Real War: Samsung pays Apple $1 Billion Sending 30 Trucks Full of 5 Cent Coins | TCGeeks

2013-07-09 Thread Barry MacKichan
The killer with software patents is that to contest a patent infringement suit 
is at least a $1 million. That means that trolls can sue anyone as long as 
their case looks remotely plausible to an non-techie judge, and as long as the 
back-royalties are less than a million, the sued party has to roll over and 
pay. Notice that guilt or innocence or diligent patent searches play no role in 
this calculus.


--Barry




On Jul 9, 2013, at 10:38 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote:

 I think I'm generally against software patents.  But copyright is far more 
 abused .. it can be extended virtually forever.  Some protection is fine, but 
 too much is oppressive.
 


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Re: [FRIAM] This is a Real War: Samsung pays Apple $1 Billion Sending 30 Trucks Full of 5 Cent Coins | TCGeeks

2013-07-09 Thread Robert J. Cordingley

This is worth watching again:
http://www.ted.com/talks/drew_curtis_how_i_beat_a_patent_troll.html
Thanks
Robert C

On 7/9/13 12:34 PM, Barry MacKichan wrote:
The killer with software patents is that to contest a patent 
infringement suit is at least a $1 million. That means that trolls can 
sue anyone as long as their case looks remotely plausible to an 
non-techie judge, and as long as the back-royalties are less than a 
million, the sued party has to roll over and pay. Notice that guilt or 
innocence or diligent patent searches play no role in this calculus.



--Barry




On Jul 9, 2013, at 10:38 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net 
mailto:o...@backspaces.net wrote:


I think I'm generally against software patents.  But copyright is far 
more abused .. it can be extended virtually forever.  Some protection 
is fine, but too much is oppressive.







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