[FRIAM] Dropbox: Asks for password change periodically
DB asks for me to change my pw when I go to use their web features. This seems a bit nuts to me .. why not just have a good one to begin with? As long as its specific to DB, it seems that a 15 char unique pw should be just fine. But even odder, this is a distributed pw .. I've got three computers, my iphone/ipad using DB. I just love the idea of changing all these and keeping them in sync. Not! Do any of us go thru this periodic change? Apparently only enforced when you use the web account. Sigh, -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Dropbox big-time
A bit OT but ... Hmm.. Just got thinking about about Amazon being used by Dropbox and their relative pricing. Amazon charges $.095/GB/Month for its storage. That's $9.50/Mo or $114.00/Year for 100GB. http://aws.amazon.com/s3/pricing/ 100GB is the first tier of paid Dropbox which goes for $9.99/Mo or $99.00/year (17% discount). https://www.dropbox.com/upgrade That's surprising: the same storage is actually cheaper on Dropbox! Why? - Az only charges for what you actually use, while DB charges for the 100GB even tho you only use a fraction of it. My guess is that for most folks (say 50% utility) Az is cheaper. - DB probably gets a volume discount but provides additional services for the user. - Arq is just an app but the same could be said for DB http://www.haystacksoftware.com/arq/ But then Google gets into the act: Google Drive costs less, only $4.99/100GB/Mo. That's considerably less, but then GD is new to the game and it isn't clear just how easily it is used. Possibly Arq, DB and others could offer their services on GD for less? But boy, this shows that there is considerable competition in the storage world! -- Owen On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: Arq sounds great, thanks for the pointer. Looks like a winner. Kinda interesting dropbox uses amazon too. -- Owen On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Barry MacKichan barry.mackic...@mackichan.com wrote: I'll put in my two cents. All the files I care about are on a Mac, so I use Arq, which backs up to Amazon's S3 and Glacier services. There are two levels of S3 service which vary in their redundancy. The higher level (S3 standard storage) claims: Designed for 99.9% durability and 99.99% availability of objects over a given year. Designed to sustain the concurrent loss of data in two facilities. The price is now $.095 per gigabyte per month. I have watched it go down from $.15 to $.095, but it may not be going down as fast as hard drive prices. Amazon's Glacier storage is $.01 per gigabyte per month, but it has a time delay on recovery (about 4 hours, enough time for the gerbils to mount a tape). It can get expensive to move a lot of data in and out of Glacier, but it is fine for long time storage. So now I have my home folder tree on Time Machine and Amazon S3. I have a music and old data (carried forth from PC to PC since the late 80's) on Glacier, so for most of my data (but not bought applications) I have copies 1) on my Mac, 2) on my Time Machine, and 3) on S3 and Glacier offsite. The next problem is if (when) I have to reduce the amount of data on my Mac (when going to SSD, possibly) I will need a place for the data moved off my Mac and my Tiime Machine. I probably will go with a Drobo, which has a good bit of redundancy and which would require only a Glacier backup ($10.00 per terabyte per month) . I am putting some faith in Amazon, but their record is so far quite good, and a disk in a safety deposit box, at least in my case, would be updated rarely if at all. --Barry On Jan 16, 2013, at 9:30 AM, Owen Densmore wrote: I figured out the google drive vs g+ plan. It turns out they are integrated, a good thing I think. I was concerned it was yet another half baked stunt but this seems pretty well managed. -- Owen torage plan pricing Learn about your options for purchasing more storage for Google Drive, Google+ Photos, and Gmail. Store up to 5 GB between Google Drive and Google+ Photos, then pay for additional storage as your account grows. Here's how it works: - Tap into your free storage as soon as you start using Google Drive and G+ Photos. - Purchase additional storage that can be shared across Google Drive and G+ Photos. When you purchase additional storage, your Gmail storage limit will automatically be increased to 25 GB. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Dropbox big-time
Aq looks great, esp. the retention of metadata (file dates). If only it supported Windows. On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 8:36 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: A bit OT but ... Hmm.. Just got thinking about about Amazon being used by Dropbox and their relative pricing. Amazon charges $.095/GB/Month for its storage. That's $9.50/Mo or $114.00/Year for 100GB. http://aws.amazon.com/s3/pricing/ 100GB is the first tier of paid Dropbox which goes for $9.99/Mo or $99.00/year (17% discount). https://www.dropbox.com/upgrade That's surprising: the same storage is actually cheaper on Dropbox! Why? - Az only charges for what you actually use, while DB charges for the 100GB even tho you only use a fraction of it. My guess is that for most folks (say 50% utility) Az is cheaper. - DB probably gets a volume discount but provides additional services for the user. - Arq is just an app but the same could be said for DB http://www.haystacksoftware.com/arq/ But then Google gets into the act: Google Drive costs less, only $4.99/100GB/Mo. That's considerably less, but then GD is new to the game and it isn't clear just how easily it is used. Possibly Arq, DB and others could offer their services on GD for less? But boy, this shows that there is considerable competition in the storage world! -- Owen On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.netwrote: Arq sounds great, thanks for the pointer. Looks like a winner. Kinda interesting dropbox uses amazon too. -- Owen On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Barry MacKichan barry.mackic...@mackichan.com wrote: I'll put in my two cents. All the files I care about are on a Mac, so I use Arq, which backs up to Amazon's S3 and Glacier services. There are two levels of S3 service which vary in their redundancy. The higher level (S3 standard storage) claims: Designed for 99.9% durability and 99.99% availability of objects over a given year. Designed to sustain the concurrent loss of data in two facilities. The price is now $.095 per gigabyte per month. I have watched it go down from $.15 to $.095, but it may not be going down as fast as hard drive prices. Amazon's Glacier storage is $.01 per gigabyte per month, but it has a time delay on recovery (about 4 hours, enough time for the gerbils to mount a tape). It can get expensive to move a lot of data in and out of Glacier, but it is fine for long time storage. So now I have my home folder tree on Time Machine and Amazon S3. I have a music and old data (carried forth from PC to PC since the late 80's) on Glacier, so for most of my data (but not bought applications) I have copies 1) on my Mac, 2) on my Time Machine, and 3) on S3 and Glacier offsite. The next problem is if (when) I have to reduce the amount of data on my Mac (when going to SSD, possibly) I will need a place for the data moved off my Mac and my Tiime Machine. I probably will go with a Drobo, which has a good bit of redundancy and which would require only a Glacier backup ($10.00 per terabyte per month) . I am putting some faith in Amazon, but their record is so far quite good, and a disk in a safety deposit box, at least in my case, would be updated rarely if at all. --Barry On Jan 16, 2013, at 9:30 AM, Owen Densmore wrote: I figured out the google drive vs g+ plan. It turns out they are integrated, a good thing I think. I was concerned it was yet another half baked stunt but this seems pretty well managed. -- Owen torage plan pricing Learn about your options for purchasing more storage for Google Drive, Google+ Photos, and Gmail. Store up to 5 GB between Google Drive and Google+ Photos, then pay for additional storage as your account grows. Here's how it works: - Tap into your free storage as soon as you start using Google Drive and G+ Photos. - Purchase additional storage that can be shared across Google Drive and G+ Photos. When you purchase additional storage, your Gmail storage limit will automatically be increased to 25 GB. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- Ron Newman MyIdeatree.com http://www.Ideatree.us The World Happiness Meter http://worldhappinessmeter.com YourSongCode.com http://www.yourSongCode.com
Re: [FRIAM] Dropbox big-time
I love google drive for somestuff- It's great if you can use it from the same computer or have one that does java quickly when uploading at school though for some reason it was dog slow-same for downloading-and that stuff was-illustrator files- or pictures--with those short comings acounted for google drive is slick--and more than once was how I turned in homework-by pointing the prof to a URL linked in some fation to the file. On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote: Google+ has free unlimited storage of images but only at 2048 px. You can pay for 5GB of images at greater resolution. Android g+ has an automatic picture upload feature. --Doug While looking into dropbox alternatives, I looked into Google Drive .. but hadn't heard about G+ for images. Some of the commentary on Google services was that they somehow use the data you keep with them .. possibly for face recognition searching and so on. Couple of questions: - How well is Google Drive working for folks? It apparently is great for android but some said still in beta so to speak. It seems to have integrated with Google Docs .. so that might make it great for all documentation backup. - Is G+ photo storage public? Separate from GD? Photo sharing may be the mention of Google use of user data. Does it do the conversion to 2Mpx during the upload? I suspect most of my iPhone images are too big due to the 8Mpx camera. I did read an article on moving iPhoto libraries to either DB or GD. Both were identical so apparently GD has the same functionality as DB. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Dropbox big-time
I figured out the google drive vs g+ plan. It turns out they are integrated, a good thing I think. I was concerned it was yet another half baked stunt but this seems pretty well managed. -- Owen torage plan pricing Learn about your options for purchasing more storage for Google Drive, Google+ Photos, and Gmail. Store up to 5 GB between Google Drive and Google+ Photos, then pay for additional storage as your account grows. Here's how it works: - Tap into your free storage as soon as you start using Google Drive and G+ Photos. - Purchase additional storage that can be shared across Google Drive and G+ Photos. When you purchase additional storage, your Gmail storage limit will automatically be increased to 25 GB. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Dropbox big-time
I'll put in my two cents. All the files I care about are on a Mac, so I use Arq, which backs up to Amazon's S3 and Glacier services. There are two levels of S3 service which vary in their redundancy. The higher level (S3 standard storage) claims: Designed for 99.9% durability and 99.99% availability of objects over a given year. Designed to sustain the concurrent loss of data in two facilities. The price is now $.095 per gigabyte per month. I have watched it go down from $.15 to $.095, but it may not be going down as fast as hard drive prices. Amazon's Glacier storage is $.01 per gigabyte per month, but it has a time delay on recovery (about 4 hours, enough time for the gerbils to mount a tape). It can get expensive to move a lot of data in and out of Glacier, but it is fine for long time storage. So now I have my home folder tree on Time Machine and Amazon S3. I have a music and old data (carried forth from PC to PC since the late 80's) on Glacier, so for most of my data (but not bought applications) I have copies 1) on my Mac, 2) on my Time Machine, and 3) on S3 and Glacier offsite. The next problem is if (when) I have to reduce the amount of data on my Mac (when going to SSD, possibly) I will need a place for the data moved off my Mac and my Tiime Machine. I probably will go with a Drobo, which has a good bit of redundancy and which would require only a Glacier backup ($10.00 per terabyte per month) . I am putting some faith in Amazon, but their record is so far quite good, and a disk in a safety deposit box, at least in my case, would be updated rarely if at all. --Barry On Jan 16, 2013, at 9:30 AM, Owen Densmore wrote: I figured out the google drive vs g+ plan. It turns out they are integrated, a good thing I think. I was concerned it was yet another half baked stunt but this seems pretty well managed. -- Owen torage plan pricing Learn about your options for purchasing more storage for Google Drive, Google+ Photos, and Gmail. Store up to 5 GB between Google Drive and Google+ Photos, then pay for additional storage as your account grows. Here's how it works: Tap into your free storage as soon as you start using Google Drive and G+ Photos. Purchase additional storage that can be shared across Google Drive and G+ Photos. When you purchase additional storage, your Gmail storage limit will automatically be increased to 25 GB. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Dropbox big-time
Arq sounds great, thanks for the pointer. Looks like a winner. Kinda interesting dropbox uses amazon too. -- Owen On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Barry MacKichan barry.mackic...@mackichan.com wrote: I'll put in my two cents. All the files I care about are on a Mac, so I use Arq, which backs up to Amazon's S3 and Glacier services. There are two levels of S3 service which vary in their redundancy. The higher level (S3 standard storage) claims: Designed for 99.9% durability and 99.99% availability of objects over a given year. Designed to sustain the concurrent loss of data in two facilities. The price is now $.095 per gigabyte per month. I have watched it go down from $.15 to $.095, but it may not be going down as fast as hard drive prices. Amazon's Glacier storage is $.01 per gigabyte per month, but it has a time delay on recovery (about 4 hours, enough time for the gerbils to mount a tape). It can get expensive to move a lot of data in and out of Glacier, but it is fine for long time storage. So now I have my home folder tree on Time Machine and Amazon S3. I have a music and old data (carried forth from PC to PC since the late 80's) on Glacier, so for most of my data (but not bought applications) I have copies 1) on my Mac, 2) on my Time Machine, and 3) on S3 and Glacier offsite. The next problem is if (when) I have to reduce the amount of data on my Mac (when going to SSD, possibly) I will need a place for the data moved off my Mac and my Tiime Machine. I probably will go with a Drobo, which has a good bit of redundancy and which would require only a Glacier backup ($10.00 per terabyte per month) . I am putting some faith in Amazon, but their record is so far quite good, and a disk in a safety deposit box, at least in my case, would be updated rarely if at all. --Barry On Jan 16, 2013, at 9:30 AM, Owen Densmore wrote: I figured out the google drive vs g+ plan. It turns out they are integrated, a good thing I think. I was concerned it was yet another half baked stunt but this seems pretty well managed. -- Owen torage plan pricing Learn about your options for purchasing more storage for Google Drive, Google+ Photos, and Gmail. Store up to 5 GB between Google Drive and Google+ Photos, then pay for additional storage as your account grows. Here's how it works: - Tap into your free storage as soon as you start using Google Drive and G+ Photos. - Purchase additional storage that can be shared across Google Drive and G+ Photos. When you purchase additional storage, your Gmail storage limit will automatically be increased to 25 GB. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Dropbox big-time
I'd like to find a cloud service for images - problem is, I'd got approximately 300GB of images going back to 2001. Some duplication, but mostly lots of RAW files. Dropbox wants $500/year. I need a more affordable solution Any ideas? On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:29 PM, Arlo Barnes arlo.bar...@gmail.com wrote: I got Dropbox mainly for collaboration (sharing datasets and R files), and now I use it as the central storage location for all my photos - they go straight from the card (which is then cleared to make room) to Dropbox through it's automatic transfer function. I have had no problems, although the occasional horror story of individual files being lost without a trace has prompted me to start uploading them to a photoblog. I use Chrome sync[h] but because the computers I use are generally somewhat slow (especially with the number of tabs I am in the habit of opening) I don't often use the extensions that are synchronized. I am not impressed with the bookmark sync[h], as old folders that have been deleted on one computer are often restored from another. Then again, I have somewhat given up hope on keeping track of things I want to investigate with bookmarks anyway, as I create just too many. To-do lists have supplanted them for the most part; I still use Chrome's save this window as a folder-full of bookmarks function to save a browsing/work session for a time when my computer is less bogged down. For the most part, though, I have been trying to eliminate the need for backups altogether. As a student with not much budget for purchasing memory, and one that uses temporarily loaned computers and ones that break after only a year or two of use, I find it much easier to use online services for most program and data storage - using Google Docs rather than Word or Open Office, for instance. It makes collaboration and sharing a lot easier, too - I can worry less about file formats. To pick another example, instead of using iTunes or WinAmp or VLC (although I also have the latter for miscellaneous purposes) with a music library I use Grooveshark. There are still many things that need to be offline due to the paucity of Internet access in my house and sometimes at school, but many things can just be re-found - it is easier for me to re-download my ebooks, and various programs (Pidgin, GIMP, Inkscape, Notepad++, Chrome of course, a tuner program, and others including those mentioned above [Dropbox and VLC]) than to find and transfer them on a jumpdrive or such. However, I noticed I have also taken increasingly to putting all my files in one place - a folder on the desktop - rather than using My Documents. I even run programs that do not need to alter the registry and therefore self-install, such as tkMOO, from the desktop. With all this centrally located it is easier to pick up and move shop should I need to. And now I have a website I can put stuff I don't mind being public in one place, too. This all might be oblique to your question since I am not using the pay Dropbox, or Dropbox in a big way at all. -Arlo James Barnes FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- *Life isn’t about waiting for the storm to pass, it’s about learning to dance in the rain.* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Dropbox big-time
Google+ has free unlimited storage of images but only at 2048 px. You can pay for 5GB of images at greater resolution. Android g+ has an automatic picture upload feature. --Doug On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Mark Suazo msu...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to find a cloud service for images - problem is, I'd got approximately 300GB of images going back to 2001. Some duplication, but mostly lots of RAW files. Dropbox wants $500/year. I need a more affordable solution Any ideas? On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:29 PM, Arlo Barnes arlo.bar...@gmail.comwrote: I got Dropbox mainly for collaboration (sharing datasets and R files), and now I use it as the central storage location for all my photos - they go straight from the card (which is then cleared to make room) to Dropbox through it's automatic transfer function. I have had no problems, although the occasional horror story of individual files being lost without a trace has prompted me to start uploading them to a photoblog. I use Chrome sync[h] but because the computers I use are generally somewhat slow (especially with the number of tabs I am in the habit of opening) I don't often use the extensions that are synchronized. I am not impressed with the bookmark sync[h], as old folders that have been deleted on one computer are often restored from another. Then again, I have somewhat given up hope on keeping track of things I want to investigate with bookmarks anyway, as I create just too many. To-do lists have supplanted them for the most part; I still use Chrome's save this window as a folder-full of bookmarks function to save a browsing/work session for a time when my computer is less bogged down. For the most part, though, I have been trying to eliminate the need for backups altogether. As a student with not much budget for purchasing memory, and one that uses temporarily loaned computers and ones that break after only a year or two of use, I find it much easier to use online services for most program and data storage - using Google Docs rather than Word or Open Office, for instance. It makes collaboration and sharing a lot easier, too - I can worry less about file formats. To pick another example, instead of using iTunes or WinAmp or VLC (although I also have the latter for miscellaneous purposes) with a music library I use Grooveshark. There are still many things that need to be offline due to the paucity of Internet access in my house and sometimes at school, but many things can just be re-found - it is easier for me to re-download my ebooks, and various programs (Pidgin, GIMP, Inkscape, Notepad++, Chrome of course, a tuner program, and others including those mentioned above [Dropbox and VLC]) than to find and transfer them on a jumpdrive or such. However, I noticed I have also taken increasingly to putting all my files in one place - a folder on the desktop - rather than using My Documents. I even run programs that do not need to alter the registry and therefore self-install, such as tkMOO, from the desktop. With all this centrally located it is easier to pick up and move shop should I need to. And now I have a website I can put stuff I don't mind being public in one place, too. This all might be oblique to your question since I am not using the pay Dropbox, or Dropbox in a big way at all. -Arlo James Barnes FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- *Life isn’t about waiting for the storm to pass, it’s about learning to dance in the rain.* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- *Doug Roberts drobe...@rti.org d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Dropbox big-time
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote: Google+ has free unlimited storage of images but only at 2048 px. You can pay for 5GB of images at greater resolution. Android g+ has an automatic picture upload feature. --Doug While looking into dropbox alternatives, I looked into Google Drive .. but hadn't heard about G+ for images. Some of the commentary on Google services was that they somehow use the data you keep with them .. possibly for face recognition searching and so on. Couple of questions: - How well is Google Drive working for folks? It apparently is great for android but some said still in beta so to speak. It seems to have integrated with Google Docs .. so that might make it great for all documentation backup. - Is G+ photo storage public? Separate from GD? Photo sharing may be the mention of Google use of user data. Does it do the conversion to 2Mpx during the upload? I suspect most of my iPhone images are too big due to the 8Mpx camera. I did read an article on moving iPhoto libraries to either DB or GD. Both were identical so apparently GD has the same functionality as DB. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Dropbox big-time
I would say 300GB still seems to be a lot of data for the cloud. S3 quotes 28.50 a month just for the storage with ~5 bucks a month if you do around 50GB up and 50 GB down per month which is probably actually more than you are likely to be doing. Their glacier product which does not have the same access but could serve for backup costs $3/month for that + 5 bucks a month for 50 GB up and 50 GB down. I sort of expect s3 to be the best option as many of these other services are built on top of them. There are a bunch of projects out there that turn s3 into a cloud storage tool, some free though you are obviously paying s3 for the data you store/transfer. --joshua On Jan 15, 2013, at 9:14 AM, Mark Suazo wrote: I'd like to find a cloud service for images - problem is, I'd got approximately 300GB of images going back to 2001. Some duplication, but mostly lots of RAW files. Dropbox wants $500/year. I need a more affordable solution Any ideas? On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:29 PM, Arlo Barnes arlo.bar...@gmail.com wrote: I got Dropbox mainly for collaboration (sharing datasets and R files), and now I use it as the central storage location for all my photos - they go straight from the card (which is then cleared to make room) to Dropbox through it's automatic transfer function. I have had no problems, although the occasional horror story of individual files being lost without a trace has prompted me to start uploading them to a photoblog. I use Chrome sync[h] but because the computers I use are generally somewhat slow (especially with the number of tabs I am in the habit of opening) I don't often use the extensions that are synchronized. I am not impressed with the bookmark sync[h], as old folders that have been deleted on one computer are often restored from another. Then again, I have somewhat given up hope on keeping track of things I want to investigate with bookmarks anyway, as I create just too many. To-do lists have supplanted them for the most part; I still use Chrome's save this window as a folder-full of bookmarks function to save a browsing/work session for a time when my computer is less bogged down. For the most part, though, I have been trying to eliminate the need for backups altogether. As a student with not much budget for purchasing memory, and one that uses temporarily loaned computers and ones that break after only a year or two of use, I find it much easier to use online services for most program and data storage - using Google Docs rather than Word or Open Office, for instance. It makes collaboration and sharing a lot easier, too - I can worry less about file formats. To pick another example, instead of using iTunes or WinAmp or VLC (although I also have the latter for miscellaneous purposes) with a music library I use Grooveshark. There are still many things that need to be offline due to the paucity of Internet access in my house and sometimes at school, but many things can just be re-found - it is easier for me to re-download my ebooks, and various programs (Pidgin, GIMP, Inkscape, Notepad++, Chrome of course, a tuner program, and others including those mentioned above [Dropbox and VLC]) than to find and transfer them on a jumpdrive or such. However, I noticed I have also taken increasingly to putting all my files in one place - a folder on the desktop - rather than using My Documents. I even run programs that do not need to alter the registry and therefore self-install, such as tkMOO, from the desktop. With all this centrally located it is easier to pick up and move shop should I need to. And now I have a website I can put stuff I don't mind being public in one place, too. This all might be oblique to your question since I am not using the pay Dropbox, or Dropbox in a big way at all. -Arlo James Barnes FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- Life isn’t about waiting for the storm to pass, it’s about learning to dance in the rain. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Dropbox big-time
My solution is external hard drives: 1. one-time purchase cost 2. relatively inexpensive 3. not dependent upon the cloud servers. I am not willing to chance a 1-in-a-100-years failure.. Joe On 1/15/13 9:14 AM, Mark Suazo wrote: I'd like to find a cloud service for images - problem is, I'd got approximately 300GB of images going back to 2001. Some duplication, but mostly lots of RAW files. Dropbox wants $500/year. I need a more affordable solution Any ideas? On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:29 PM, Arlo Barnes arlo.bar...@gmail.com mailto:arlo.bar...@gmail.com wrote: I got Dropbox mainly for collaboration (sharing datasets and R files), and now I use it as the central storage location for all my photos - they go straight from the card (which is then cleared to make room) to Dropbox through it's automatic transfer function. I have had no problems, although the occasional horror story of individual files being lost without a trace has prompted me to start uploading them to a photoblog. I use Chrome sync[h] but because the computers I use are generally somewhat slow (especially with the number of tabs I am in the habit of opening) I don't often use the extensions that are synchronized. I am not impressed with the bookmark sync[h], as old folders that have been deleted on one computer are often restored from another. Then again, I have somewhat given up hope on keeping track of things I want to investigate with bookmarks anyway, as I create just too many. To-do lists have supplanted them for the most part; I still use Chrome's save this window as a folder-full of bookmarks function to save a browsing/work session for a time when my computer is less bogged down. For the most part, though, I have been trying to eliminate the need for backups altogether. As a student with not much budget for purchasing memory, and one that uses temporarily loaned computers and ones that break after only a year or two of use, I find it much easier to use online services for most program and data storage - using Google Docs rather than Word or Open Office, for instance. It makes collaboration and sharing a lot easier, too - I can worry less about file formats. To pick another example, instead of using iTunes or WinAmp or VLC (although I also have the latter for miscellaneous purposes) with a music library I use Grooveshark. There are still many things that need to be offline due to the paucity of Internet access in my house and sometimes at school, but many things can just be re-found - it is easier for me to re-download my ebooks, and various programs (Pidgin, GIMP, Inkscape, Notepad++, Chrome of course, a tuner program, and others including those mentioned above [Dropbox and VLC]) than to find and transfer them on a jumpdrive or such. However, I noticed I have also taken increasingly to putting all my files in one place - a folder on the desktop - rather than using My Documents. I even run programs that do not need to alter the registry and therefore self-install, such as tkMOO, from the desktop. With all this centrally located it is easier to pick up and move shop should I need to. And now I have a website I can put stuff I don't mind being public in one place, too. This all might be oblique to your question since I am not using the pay Dropbox, or Dropbox in a big way at all. -Arlo James Barnes FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- /Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass, it's about learning to dance in the rain./ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- Sunlight is the best disinfectant. -- Supreme Court Justice Louis D. Brandeis, 1913. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Dropbox big-time
Yeah I agree with this, but hard drives do fail so data should be on multiple drives and should also be located in more than one location so a fire or theft doesn't lead to losing everything. Not that I follow this in practice but in theory… --joshua On Jan 15, 2013, at 10:10 AM, Joseph Spinden wrote: My solution is external hard drives: 1. one-time purchase cost 2. relatively inexpensive 3. not dependent upon the cloud servers. I am not willing to chance a 1-in-a-100-years failure.. Joe On 1/15/13 9:14 AM, Mark Suazo wrote: I'd like to find a cloud service for images - problem is, I'd got approximately 300GB of images going back to 2001. Some duplication, but mostly lots of RAW files. Dropbox wants $500/year. I need a more affordable solution Any ideas? On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:29 PM, Arlo Barnes arlo.bar...@gmail.com wrote: I got Dropbox mainly for collaboration (sharing datasets and R files), and now I use it as the central storage location for all my photos - they go straight from the card (which is then cleared to make room) to Dropbox through it's automatic transfer function. I have had no problems, although the occasional horror story of individual files being lost without a trace has prompted me to start uploading them to a photoblog. I use Chrome sync[h] but because the computers I use are generally somewhat slow (especially with the number of tabs I am in the habit of opening) I don't often use the extensions that are synchronized. I am not impressed with the bookmark sync[h], as old folders that have been deleted on one computer are often restored from another. Then again, I have somewhat given up hope on keeping track of things I want to investigate with bookmarks anyway, as I create just too many. To-do lists have supplanted them for the most part; I still use Chrome's save this window as a folder-full of bookmarks function to save a browsing/work session for a time when my computer is less bogged down. For the most part, though, I have been trying to eliminate the need for backups altogether. As a student with not much budget for purchasing memory, and one that uses temporarily loaned computers and ones that break after only a year or two of use, I find it much easier to use online services for most program and data storage - using Google Docs rather than Word or Open Office, for instance. It makes collaboration and sharing a lot easier, too - I can worry less about file formats. To pick another example, instead of using iTunes or WinAmp or VLC (although I also have the latter for miscellaneous purposes) with a music library I use Grooveshark. There are still many things that need to be offline due to the paucity of Internet access in my house and sometimes at school, but many things can just be re-found - it is easier for me to re-download my ebooks, and various programs (Pidgin, GIMP, Inkscape, Notepad++, Chrome of course, a tuner program, and others including those mentioned above [Dropbox and VLC]) than to find and transfer them on a jumpdrive or such. However, I noticed I have also taken increasingly to putting all my files in one place - a folder on the desktop - rather than using My Documents. I even run programs that do not need to alter the registry and therefore self-install, such as tkMOO, from the desktop. With all this centrally located it is easier to pick up and move shop should I need to. And now I have a website I can put stuff I don't mind being public in one place, too. This all might be oblique to your question since I am not using the pay Dropbox, or Dropbox in a big way at all. -Arlo James Barnes FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- Life isn’t about waiting for the storm to pass, it’s about learning to dance in the rain. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- Sunlight is the best disinfectant. -- Supreme Court Justice Louis D. Brandeis, 1913. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Dropbox big-time
Owen: I use to varying degree most of the services; I'm always testing them because I often talk about storage alternatives in workshops. Dropbox is easy to use, but be sure to pay the extra $30 or $40 to get its back up service. I've found that if I share a folder with someone, and at some point he/she deletes the files or folders from their local HD, then it also is deleted from the Dropbox folder in the Cloud. So far, I've been able to go in and restore all the folders and files, but that seems to be a shortcoming. I also like SugarSync, Gladinet and use the MS product(s). That's plural because MS can't seem to decided what to call it's products: Is it LiveDrive or is it Mesh or SkyDrive. Most confusing. I also have external USB hard drives. -tom On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Joseph Spinden j...@qri.us wrote: My solution is external hard drives: 1. one-time purchase cost 2. relatively inexpensive 3. not dependent upon the cloud servers. I am not willing to chance a 1-in-a-100-years failure.. Joe On 1/15/13 9:14 AM, Mark Suazo wrote: I'd like to find a cloud service for images - problem is, I'd got approximately 300GB of images going back to 2001. Some duplication, but mostly lots of RAW files. Dropbox wants $500/year. I need a more affordable solution Any ideas? On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:29 PM, Arlo Barnes arlo.bar...@gmail.comwrote: I got Dropbox mainly for collaboration (sharing datasets and R files), and now I use it as the central storage location for all my photos - they go straight from the card (which is then cleared to make room) to Dropbox through it's automatic transfer function. I have had no problems, although the occasional horror story of individual files being lost without a trace has prompted me to start uploading them to a photoblog. I use Chrome sync[h] but because the computers I use are generally somewhat slow (especially with the number of tabs I am in the habit of opening) I don't often use the extensions that are synchronized. I am not impressed with the bookmark sync[h], as old folders that have been deleted on one computer are often restored from another. Then again, I have somewhat given up hope on keeping track of things I want to investigate with bookmarks anyway, as I create just too many. To-do lists have supplanted them for the most part; I still use Chrome's save this window as a folder-full of bookmarks function to save a browsing/work session for a time when my computer is less bogged down. For the most part, though, I have been trying to eliminate the need for backups altogether. As a student with not much budget for purchasing memory, and one that uses temporarily loaned computers and ones that break after only a year or two of use, I find it much easier to use online services for most program and data storage - using Google Docs rather than Word or Open Office, for instance. It makes collaboration and sharing a lot easier, too - I can worry less about file formats. To pick another example, instead of using iTunes or WinAmp or VLC (although I also have the latter for miscellaneous purposes) with a music library I use Grooveshark. There are still many things that need to be offline due to the paucity of Internet access in my house and sometimes at school, but many things can just be re-found - it is easier for me to re-download my ebooks, and various programs (Pidgin, GIMP, Inkscape, Notepad++, Chrome of course, a tuner program, and others including those mentioned above [Dropbox and VLC]) than to find and transfer them on a jumpdrive or such. However, I noticed I have also taken increasingly to putting all my files in one place - a folder on the desktop - rather than using My Documents. I even run programs that do not need to alter the registry and therefore self-install, such as tkMOO, from the desktop. With all this centrally located it is easier to pick up and move shop should I need to. And now I have a website I can put stuff I don't mind being public in one place, too. This all might be oblique to your question since I am not using the pay Dropbox, or Dropbox in a big way at all. -Arlo James Barnes FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- *Life isn’t about waiting for the storm to pass, it’s about learning to dance in the rain.* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- Sunlight is the best disinfectant. -- Supreme Court Justice Louis D. Brandeis, 1913. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at
Re: [FRIAM] Dropbox big-time
I used to keep backups of my backups. Now I just keep backups. Cheap 3 TB usb drive + nightly rsync. --Doug On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Joshua Thorp jth...@redfish.com wrote: Yeah I agree with this, but hard drives do fail so data should be on multiple drives and should also be located in more than one location so a fire or theft doesn't lead to losing everything. Not that I follow this in practice but in theory… --joshua On Jan 15, 2013, at 10:10 AM, Joseph Spinden wrote: My solution is external hard drives: 1. one-time purchase cost 2. relatively inexpensive 3. not dependent upon the cloud servers. I am not willing to chance a 1-in-a-100-years failure.. Joe On 1/15/13 9:14 AM, Mark Suazo wrote: I'd like to find a cloud service for images - problem is, I'd got approximately 300GB of images going back to 2001. Some duplication, but mostly lots of RAW files. Dropbox wants $500/year. I need a more affordable solution Any ideas? On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:29 PM, Arlo Barnes arlo.bar...@gmail.comwrote: I got Dropbox mainly for collaboration (sharing datasets and R files), and now I use it as the central storage location for all my photos - they go straight from the card (which is then cleared to make room) to Dropbox through it's automatic transfer function. I have had no problems, although the occasional horror story of individual files being lost without a trace has prompted me to start uploading them to a photoblog. I use Chrome sync[h] but because the computers I use are generally somewhat slow (especially with the number of tabs I am in the habit of opening) I don't often use the extensions that are synchronized. I am not impressed with the bookmark sync[h], as old folders that have been deleted on one computer are often restored from another. Then again, I have somewhat given up hope on keeping track of things I want to investigate with bookmarks anyway, as I create just too many. To-do lists have supplanted them for the most part; I still use Chrome's save this window as a folder-full of bookmarks function to save a browsing/work session for a time when my computer is less bogged down. For the most part, though, I have been trying to eliminate the need for backups altogether. As a student with not much budget for purchasing memory, and one that uses temporarily loaned computers and ones that break after only a year or two of use, I find it much easier to use online services for most program and data storage - using Google Docs rather than Word or Open Office, for instance. It makes collaboration and sharing a lot easier, too - I can worry less about file formats. To pick another example, instead of using iTunes or WinAmp or VLC (although I also have the latter for miscellaneous purposes) with a music library I use Grooveshark. There are still many things that need to be offline due to the paucity of Internet access in my house and sometimes at school, but many things can just be re-found - it is easier for me to re-download my ebooks, and various programs (Pidgin, GIMP, Inkscape, Notepad++, Chrome of course, a tuner program, and others including those mentioned above [Dropbox and VLC]) than to find and transfer them on a jumpdrive or such. However, I noticed I have also taken increasingly to putting all my files in one place - a folder on the desktop - rather than using My Documents. I even run programs that do not need to alter the registry and therefore self-install, such as tkMOO, from the desktop. With all this centrally located it is easier to pick up and move shop should I need to. And now I have a website I can put stuff I don't mind being public in one place, too. This all might be oblique to your question since I am not using the pay Dropbox, or Dropbox in a big way at all. -Arlo James Barnes FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- *Life isn’t about waiting for the storm to pass, it’s about learning to dance in the rain.* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- Sunlight is the best disinfectant. -- Supreme Court Justice Louis D. Brandeis, 1913. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- *Doug Roberts
Re: [FRIAM] Dropbox big-time
3 copies of everything. at least 1 in a safety deposit box. also, i expect I will have to upgrade the hard drives at some point as the technology changes. - Joe On 1/15/13 10:25 AM, Joshua Thorp wrote: Yeah I agree with this, but hard drives do fail so data should be on multiple drives and should also be located in more than one location so a fire or theft doesn't lead to losing everything. Not that I follow this in practice but in theory... --joshua On Jan 15, 2013, at 10:10 AM, Joseph Spinden wrote: My solution is external hard drives: 1. one-time purchase cost 2. relatively inexpensive 3. not dependent upon the cloud servers. I am not willing to chance a 1-in-a-100-years failure.. Joe On 1/15/13 9:14 AM, Mark Suazo wrote: I'd like to find a cloud service for images - problem is, I'd got approximately 300GB of images going back to 2001. Some duplication, but mostly lots of RAW files. Dropbox wants $500/year. I need a more affordable solution Any ideas? On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:29 PM, Arlo Barnes arlo.bar...@gmail.com mailto:arlo.bar...@gmail.com wrote: I got Dropbox mainly for collaboration (sharing datasets and R files), and now I use it as the central storage location for all my photos - they go straight from the card (which is then cleared to make room) to Dropbox through it's automatic transfer function. I have had no problems, although the occasional horror story of individual files being lost without a trace has prompted me to start uploading them to a photoblog. I use Chrome sync[h] but because the computers I use are generally somewhat slow (especially with the number of tabs I am in the habit of opening) I don't often use the extensions that are synchronized. I am not impressed with the bookmark sync[h], as old folders that have been deleted on one computer are often restored from another. Then again, I have somewhat given up hope on keeping track of things I want to investigate with bookmarks anyway, as I create just too many. To-do lists have supplanted them for the most part; I still use Chrome's save this window as a folder-full of bookmarks function to save a browsing/work session for a time when my computer is less bogged down. For the most part, though, I have been trying to eliminate the need for backups altogether. As a student with not much budget for purchasing memory, and one that uses temporarily loaned computers and ones that break after only a year or two of use, I find it much easier to use online services for most program and data storage - using Google Docs rather than Word or Open Office, for instance. It makes collaboration and sharing a lot easier, too - I can worry less about file formats. To pick another example, instead of using iTunes or WinAmp or VLC (although I also have the latter for miscellaneous purposes) with a music library I use Grooveshark. There are still many things that need to be offline due to the paucity of Internet access in my house and sometimes at school, but many things can just be re-found - it is easier for me to re-download my ebooks, and various programs (Pidgin, GIMP, Inkscape, Notepad++, Chrome of course, a tuner program, and others including those mentioned above [Dropbox and VLC]) than to find and transfer them on a jumpdrive or such. However, I noticed I have also taken increasingly to putting all my files in one place - a folder on the desktop - rather than using My Documents. I even run programs that do not need to alter the registry and therefore self-install, such as tkMOO, from the desktop. With all this centrally located it is easier to pick up and move shop should I need to. And now I have a website I can put stuff I don't mind being public in one place, too. This all might be oblique to your question since I am not using the pay Dropbox, or Dropbox in a big way at all. -Arlo James Barnes FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- /Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass, it's about learning to dance in the rain./ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribehttp://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- Sunlight is the best disinfectant. -- Supreme Court Justice Louis D. Brandeis, 1913. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Dropbox big-time
Good info, thanks. Yeah, I'm starting to get serious about paying Dropbox or one of the others. One downside of the more automatic systems (I think) is that you don't get a shell that you can run backup scripts on. Why would I want to backup Dropbox? Well, the speed of the backbone network is really fast, so nightly mirroring your system onto AZ for example is fast, and their storage is quite cheap. I've also started thinking more seriously about RAID .. basically redundant mirrored disks. Drobo was the first to offer consumer systems. Synology has also appeared on the scene at some pretty reasonable price points. Pogue has an article or two on these. So after a bit of research, I decided on a 2TB pair of 3.5 disks in a Synology enclosure. It can be run as an attached system or a NAS .. I'll do the latter most likely. The main advantage is that if one of the disks go, you have another which hopefully you can depend on until you get a replacement for the one down disk. I chose the so-called red or server grade disks which I hope will last a couple of years .. by then SSD's will have taken over and I believe they can be made even more robust and a hell of a lot faster. -- Owen On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Tom Johnson t...@jtjohnson.com wrote: Owen: I use to varying degree most of the services; I'm always testing them because I often talk about storage alternatives in workshops. Dropbox is easy to use, but be sure to pay the extra $30 or $40 to get its back up service. I've found that if I share a folder with someone, and at some point he/she deletes the files or folders from their local HD, then it also is deleted from the Dropbox folder in the Cloud. So far, I've been able to go in and restore all the folders and files, but that seems to be a shortcoming. I also like SugarSync, Gladinet and use the MS product(s). That's plural because MS can't seem to decided what to call it's products: Is it LiveDrive or is it Mesh or SkyDrive. Most confusing. I also have external USB hard drives. -tom On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Joseph Spinden j...@qri.us wrote: My solution is external hard drives: 1. one-time purchase cost 2. relatively inexpensive 3. not dependent upon the cloud servers. I am not willing to chance a 1-in-a-100-years failure.. Joe On 1/15/13 9:14 AM, Mark Suazo wrote: I'd like to find a cloud service for images - problem is, I'd got approximately 300GB of images going back to 2001. Some duplication, but mostly lots of RAW files. Dropbox wants $500/year. I need a more affordable solution Any ideas? On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:29 PM, Arlo Barnes arlo.bar...@gmail.comwrote: I got Dropbox mainly for collaboration (sharing datasets and R files), and now I use it as the central storage location for all my photos - they go straight from the card (which is then cleared to make room) to Dropbox through it's automatic transfer function. I have had no problems, although the occasional horror story of individual files being lost without a trace has prompted me to start uploading them to a photoblog. I use Chrome sync[h] but because the computers I use are generally somewhat slow (especially with the number of tabs I am in the habit of opening) I don't often use the extensions that are synchronized. I am not impressed with the bookmark sync[h], as old folders that have been deleted on one computer are often restored from another. Then again, I have somewhat given up hope on keeping track of things I want to investigate with bookmarks anyway, as I create just too many. To-do lists have supplanted them for the most part; I still use Chrome's save this window as a folder-full of bookmarks function to save a browsing/work session for a time when my computer is less bogged down. For the most part, though, I have been trying to eliminate the need for backups altogether. As a student with not much budget for purchasing memory, and one that uses temporarily loaned computers and ones that break after only a year or two of use, I find it much easier to use online services for most program and data storage - using Google Docs rather than Word or Open Office, for instance. It makes collaboration and sharing a lot easier, too - I can worry less about file formats. To pick another example, instead of using iTunes or WinAmp or VLC (although I also have the latter for miscellaneous purposes) with a music library I use Grooveshark. There are still many things that need to be offline due to the paucity of Internet access in my house and sometimes at school, but many things can just be re-found - it is easier for me to re-download my ebooks, and various programs (Pidgin, GIMP, Inkscape, Notepad++, Chrome of course, a tuner program, and others including those mentioned above [Dropbox and VLC]) than to find and transfer them on a jumpdrive or such. However, I noticed I have also taken increasingly to putting all my files in one
[FRIAM] Dropbox big-time
OK, just lost another local external drive. Got a RAID box finally on order, BUT .. I'd like to also use the cloud. So I'm thinking: any of us using Dropbox big time .. i.e. backing up a large part of their digital ecosystem .. w/ the for-pay subscriptions? If so, how's it working out? My backup world is pretty solid, I only lost my torrent library so .. whew! Current config: - Time Machine for all machines. (BUT the disk that died was, you guessed it, the TM disk!) - Dropbox: Working files .. all the files I edit often .. workflow. - Github: now my code backup - iTunes Match Google Disk: all my music. (Complete move to bits last year) - EMail: IMAP on Gmail. Pretty solid with local cache - Browser: bookmarks, extensions via Chrome sync - SuperDuper: periodic bootable backups of each computer (3) Photos appear to be my weak spot .. but covered pretty well by SuperDuper. So, the question is your experiences with Dropbox or other cloud storage for backup? -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Dropbox big-time
I got Dropbox mainly for collaboration (sharing datasets and R files), and now I use it as the central storage location for all my photos - they go straight from the card (which is then cleared to make room) to Dropbox through it's automatic transfer function. I have had no problems, although the occasional horror story of individual files being lost without a trace has prompted me to start uploading them to a photoblog. I use Chrome sync[h] but because the computers I use are generally somewhat slow (especially with the number of tabs I am in the habit of opening) I don't often use the extensions that are synchronized. I am not impressed with the bookmark sync[h], as old folders that have been deleted on one computer are often restored from another. Then again, I have somewhat given up hope on keeping track of things I want to investigate with bookmarks anyway, as I create just too many. To-do lists have supplanted them for the most part; I still use Chrome's save this window as a folder-full of bookmarks function to save a browsing/work session for a time when my computer is less bogged down. For the most part, though, I have been trying to eliminate the need for backups altogether. As a student with not much budget for purchasing memory, and one that uses temporarily loaned computers and ones that break after only a year or two of use, I find it much easier to use online services for most program and data storage - using Google Docs rather than Word or Open Office, for instance. It makes collaboration and sharing a lot easier, too - I can worry less about file formats. To pick another example, instead of using iTunes or WinAmp or VLC (although I also have the latter for miscellaneous purposes) with a music library I use Grooveshark. There are still many things that need to be offline due to the paucity of Internet access in my house and sometimes at school, but many things can just be re-found - it is easier for me to re-download my ebooks, and various programs (Pidgin, GIMP, Inkscape, Notepad++, Chrome of course, a tuner program, and others including those mentioned above [Dropbox and VLC]) than to find and transfer them on a jumpdrive or such. However, I noticed I have also taken increasingly to putting all my files in one place - a folder on the desktop - rather than using My Documents. I even run programs that do not need to alter the registry and therefore self-install, such as tkMOO, from the desktop. With all this centrally located it is easier to pick up and move shop should I need to. And now I have a website I can put stuff I don't mind being public in one place, too. This all might be oblique to your question since I am not using the pay Dropbox, or Dropbox in a big way at all. -Arlo James Barnes FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?
Isn't it the sort of header that would trigger such a response in mcafee? From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 10:56 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox? McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these sites: http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org?pip=falsepremium=trueclient_ui d=1064314504client_ver=3.3.0.168client_type=IEPluginsuite=trueaff_id=0l ocale=en_usos_ver=6.1.0.0 friam.org Looking at the long headers, I still see the hostgo tag warning: X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system milan.hostgo.com, has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Off topic: The warning only appears only on FRIAM messages and it appears on all of them. Is there anything about FRIAM that the list-owner should be attending to? [...] Content analysis details: (-2.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description -- -- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.86.89.62 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.] -0.3 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list But I'm not sure that would rase the warning you see. -- Owen On Jan 2, 2011, at 8:41 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: Off topic: The warning only appears only on FRIAM messages and it appears on all of them. Is there anything about FRIAM that the list-owner should be attending to? N -Original Message- From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 6:54 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group; SFx Discuss Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox? McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these sites: friam.org I've started to use dropbox and it seems a real winner! I really like the way it combines a remote disk along with local sync'ed folders. Would anyone who doesn't have a dropbox account yet be willing to sign up as a referral? https://www.dropbox.com/referrals If you want to start an account, let me refer you first, and we'll BOTH get 250MB more .. up to a limit of 8GB. Just send me an email, I'll fill the form above, and we'll both get a larger account. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org image001.gif FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?
The IP address that the x-spam-report lists as blacklisted [209.86.89.62 listed in list.dnswl.org] maps to elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net which doesn't have any relationship to anything that Owen sent. Ah, but it is one of smtp servers that Nick's email client uses, it shows up in the headers as the recipient of email from NicksPC. So Nick's earthlink mail sender is/was blacklisted at dnswl.org, but earthlink probably fixed that as fast as they could. I've looked at headers for several messages, I don't see the x-spam-report in any, where were they? Only in messages from Nick delivered to Owen? Owen, does hostgo.com host the mailbox for backspaces.net? They might only insert the x-spam-report into mail being delivered to locally hosted mailboxes. The headers appear in most recently inserted first order, so if the x-spam-report appears close to the final delivery, it's probably only in your copies. The SiteAdvisor warning is probably unrelated to the x-spam-report that Owen is seeing. SiteAdvisor is saying that McAffee has friam.org (or the IP address that DNS lookup returned for friam.org) in a list of hazardous sites, not to be confused with a list of sites that are spam generators. Seeing nothing strange at friam.org according to my DNS lookup, I would wonder if Nick's DNS has been pwned. That is, despite the paranoia which we've instilled in Nick, he still managed to install a trojan that has hijacked the DNS services on his machine to redirect him to more bad sites. -- rec -- On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Isn’t it the sort of header that would trigger such a response in mcafee? *From:* friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Owen Densmore *Sent:* Monday, January 03, 2011 10:56 AM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] dropbox? *McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning* This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these sites: http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org?pip=falsepremium=trueclient_uid=1064314504client_ver=3.3.0.168client_type=IEPluginsuite=trueaff_id=0locale=en_usos_ver=6.1.0.0 friam.org Looking at the long headers, I still see the hostgo tag warning: *X-Spam-Report: * Spam detection software, running on the system milan.hostgo.com, has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Off topic: The warning only appears only on FRIAM messages and it appears on all of them. Is there anything about FRIAM that the list-owner should be attending to? [...] Content analysis details: (-2.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description -- -- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.86.89.62 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.] -0.3 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list But I'm not sure that would rase the warning you see. -- Owen On Jan 2, 2011, at 8:41 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: Off topic: The warning only appears only on FRIAM messages and it appears on all of them. Is there anything about FRIAM that the list-owner should be attending to? N -Original Message- From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 6:54 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group; SFx Discuss Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox? McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these sites: friam.org I've started to use dropbox and it seems a real winner! I really like the way it combines a remote disk along with local sync'ed folders. Would anyone who doesn't have a dropbox account yet be willing to sign up as a referral? https://www.dropbox.com/referrals If you want to start an account, let me refer you first, and we'll BOTH get 250MB more .. up to a limit of 8GB. Just send me an email, I'll fill the form above, and we'll both get a larger account. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives
Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?
No need to pwn the DNS, McAffee has friam.org yellow listed: http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org McAfee TrustedSource web reputation analysis found potential suspicious behavior on this site which may pose a security risk. Use with caution. http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org So, which one you is linking to friam.org from your drive by download emporiums? -- rec -- On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Roger Critchlow r...@elf.org wrote: The IP address that the x-spam-report lists as blacklisted [209.86.89.62 listed in list.dnswl.org] maps to elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net which doesn't have any relationship to anything that Owen sent. Ah, but it is one of smtp servers that Nick's email client uses, it shows up in the headers as the recipient of email from NicksPC. So Nick's earthlink mail sender is/was blacklisted at dnswl.org, but earthlink probably fixed that as fast as they could. I've looked at headers for several messages, I don't see the x-spam-report in any, where were they? Only in messages from Nick delivered to Owen? Owen, does hostgo.com host the mailbox for backspaces.net? They might only insert the x-spam-report into mail being delivered to locally hosted mailboxes. The headers appear in most recently inserted first order, so if the x-spam-report appears close to the final delivery, it's probably only in your copies. The SiteAdvisor warning is probably unrelated to the x-spam-report that Owen is seeing. SiteAdvisor is saying that McAffee has friam.org (or the IP address that DNS lookup returned for friam.org) in a list of hazardous sites, not to be confused with a list of sites that are spam generators. Seeing nothing strange at friam.org according to my DNS lookup, I would wonder if Nick's DNS has been pwned. That is, despite the paranoia which we've instilled in Nick, he still managed to install a trojan that has hijacked the DNS services on his machine to redirect him to more bad sites. -- rec -- On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Isn’t it the sort of header that would trigger such a response in mcafee? *From:* friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Owen Densmore *Sent:* Monday, January 03, 2011 10:56 AM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] dropbox? *McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning* This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these sites: http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org?pip=falsepremium=trueclient_uid=1064314504client_ver=3.3.0.168client_type=IEPluginsuite=trueaff_id=0locale=en_usos_ver=6.1.0.0 friam.org Looking at the long headers, I still see the hostgo tag warning: *X-Spam-Report: * Spam detection software, running on the system milan.hostgo.com, has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Off topic: The warning only appears only on FRIAM messages and it appears on all of them. Is there anything about FRIAM that the list-owner should be attending to? [...] Content analysis details: (-2.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description -- -- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.86.89.62 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.] -0.3 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list But I'm not sure that would rase the warning you see. -- Owen On Jan 2, 2011, at 8:41 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: Off topic: The warning only appears only on FRIAM messages and it appears on all of them. Is there anything about FRIAM that the list-owner should be attending to? N -Original Message- From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 6:54 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group; SFx Discuss Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox? McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these sites: friam.org I've started to use dropbox and it seems a real winner! I really like the way it combines a remote disk along with local sync'ed folders. Would anyone who doesn't have a dropbox account yet be willing to sign up as a referral? https://www.dropbox.com/referrals If you want to start an account, let me refer you first, and we'll BOTH get 250MB more .. up to a limit of 8GB. Just send me
Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?
Roger. Can you explain what you mean by a download emporium? Are there any serious issues here, or are we at play? N From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Roger Critchlow Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 2:25 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox? McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these sites: http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org?pip=falsepremium=trueclient_ui d=1064314504client_ver=3.3.0.168client_type=IEPluginsuite=trueaff_id=0l ocale=en_usos_ver=6.1.0.0 friam.org No need to pwn the DNS, McAffee has friam.org yellow listed: http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org McAfee TrustedSource web reputation analysis found potential suspicious behavior on this site which may pose a security risk. Use with caution. So, which one you is linking to friam.org from your drive by download emporiums? -- rec -- On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Roger Critchlow r...@elf.org wrote: The IP address that the x-spam-report lists as blacklisted [209.86.89.62 listed in list.dnswl.org http://list.dnswl.org/ ] maps to elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net which doesn't have any relationship to anything that Owen sent. Ah, but it is one of smtp servers that Nick's email client uses, it shows up in the headers as the recipient of email from NicksPC. So Nick's earthlink mail sender is/was blacklisted at dnswl.org, but earthlink probably fixed that as fast as they could. I've looked at headers for several messages, I don't see the x-spam-report in any, where were they? Only in messages from Nick delivered to Owen? Owen, does hostgo.com host the mailbox for backspaces.net? They might only insert the x-spam-report into mail being delivered to locally hosted mailboxes. The headers appear in most recently inserted first order, so if the x-spam-report appears close to the final delivery, it's probably only in your copies. The SiteAdvisor warning is probably unrelated to the x-spam-report that Owen is seeing. SiteAdvisor is saying that McAffee has friam.org (or the IP address that DNS lookup returned for friam.org) in a list of hazardous sites, not to be confused with a list of sites that are spam generators. Seeing nothing strange at friam.org according to my DNS lookup, I would wonder if Nick's DNS has been pwned. That is, despite the paranoia which we've instilled in Nick, he still managed to install a trojan that has hijacked the DNS services on his machine to redirect him to more bad sites. -- rec -- On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Isn't it the sort of header that would trigger such a response in mcafee? From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 10:56 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox? McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these sites: http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org?pip=falsepremium=trueclient_ui d=1064314504client_ver=3.3.0.168client_type=IEPluginsuite=trueaff_id=0l ocale=en_usos_ver=6.1.0.0 friam.org Looking at the long headers, I still see the hostgo tag warning: X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system milan.hostgo.com, has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Off topic: The warning only appears only on FRIAM messages and it appears on all of them. Is there anything about FRIAM that the list-owner should be attending to? [...] Content analysis details: (-2.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description -- -- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.86.89.62 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.] -0.3 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list But I'm not sure that would rase the warning you see. -- Owen On Jan 2, 2011, at 8:41 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: Off topic: The warning only appears only on FRIAM messages and it appears on all of them. Is there anything about FRIAM that the list-owner should be attending to? N -Original Message- From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 6:54 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee
Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?
On a related note, which may bear on the original question, I discovered a whole batch of FRIAM emails in the last couple of weeks classified as spam by Spam Assassin (which inserts the X-spam headers), which I have running on my laptop. I wasn't really able to figure out why, although it is possible that being RBLed is enough to trigger Spam Assassin. I have taken the explicit step of adding the FRIAM address to my procmailrc as to bypass spam filtering for all FRIAM emails. I can't recall the last time I saw real spam coming through on FRAIM :). Cheers On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 02:56:26PM -0700, Roger Critchlow wrote: Nothing serious, just a false positive in McAffee's SiteAdvisor. A download emporium would be a malware business, web sites stocked with all sorts of malicious software for the unwary to sample. And linking from there to friam.org would provide McAffee with the evidence for their rating algorithm. -- rec -- On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Roger. Can you explain what you mean by a “download emporium”? Are there any serious issues here, or are we at play? N *From:* friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Roger Critchlow *Sent:* Monday, January 03, 2011 2:25 PM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] dropbox? *McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning* This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these sites: http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org?pip=falsepremium=trueclient_uid=1064314504client_ver=3.3.0.168client_type=IEPluginsuite=trueaff_id=0locale=en_usos_ver=6.1.0.0 friam.org No need to pwn the DNS, McAffee has friam.org yellow listed: http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org McAfee TrustedSource web reputation analysis found potential suspicious behavior on this site which may pose a security risk. Use with caution. So, which one you is linking to friam.org from your drive by download emporiums? -- rec -- On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Roger Critchlow r...@elf.org wrote: The IP address that the style='font-size:10.5pt'[209.86.89.62 listed in list.dnswl.org] maps to elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net which doesn't have any relationship to anything that Owen sent. Ah, but it is one of smtp servers that Nick's email client uses, it shows up in the headers as the recipient of email from NicksPC. So Nick's earthlink mail sender is/was blacklisted at dnswl.org, but earthlink probably fixed that as fast as they could. I've looked at headers for several messages, I don't see the x-spam-report in any, where were they? Only in messages from Nick delivered to Owen? Owen, does hostgo.com host the mailbox for backspaces.net? They might only insert the x-spam-report into mail being delivered to locally hosted mailboxes. The headers appear in most recently inserted first order, so if the x-spam-report appears close to the final delivery, it's probably only in your copies. The SiteAdvisor warning is probably unrelated to the x-spam-report that Owen is seeing. SiteAdvisor is saying that McAffee has friam.org (or the IP address that DNS lookup returned for friam.org) in a list of hazardous sites, not to be confused with a list of sites that are spam generators. Seeing nothing strange at friam.org according to my DNS lookup, I would wonder if Nick's DNS has been pwned. That is, despite the paranoia which we've instilled in Nick, he still managed to install a trojan that has hijacked the DNS services on his machine to redirect him to more bad sites. -- rec -- On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Isn’t it the sort of header that would trigger such a response in mcafee? *From:* friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Owen Densmore *Sent:* Monday, January 03, 2011 10:56 AM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] dropbox? *McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning* This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these sites: http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org?pip=falsepremium=trueclient_uid=1064314504client_ver=3.3.0.168client_type=IEPluginsuite=trueaff_id=0locale=en_usos_ver=6.1.0.0 friam.org Looking at the long headers, I still see the hostgo tag warning: *X-Spam-Report: * Spam detection software, running on the system milan.hostgo.com, has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details
Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?
Great work, Roger! o...@backspaces.net is hosted at joyent.com, not hostgo. My DNS is managed by DNSMadeEasy, I use it to forward all my incoming email (MX records) to Postini for spam management which then forwards to my joyent email .. but I doubt this has anything to do with the problem. You can see the filtering in the long headers as psmtp.com entries. -- Owen On Jan 3, 2011, at 2:20 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote: The IP address that the x-spam-report lists as blacklisted [209.86.89.62 listed in list.dnswl.org] maps to elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net which doesn't have any relationship to anything that Owen sent. Ah, but it is one of smtp servers that Nick's email client uses, it shows up in the headers as the recipient of email from NicksPC. So Nick's earthlink mail sender is/was blacklisted at dnswl.org, but earthlink probably fixed that as fast as they could. I've looked at headers for several messages, I don't see the x-spam-report in any, where were they? Only in messages from Nick delivered to Owen? Owen, does hostgo.com host the mailbox for backspaces.net? They might only insert the x-spam-report into mail being delivered to locally hosted mailboxes. The headers appear in most recently inserted first order, so if the x-spam-report appears close to the final delivery, it's probably only in your copies. The SiteAdvisor warning is probably unrelated to the x-spam-report that Owen is seeing. SiteAdvisor is saying that McAffee has friam.org (or the IP address that DNS lookup returned for friam.org) in a list of hazardous sites, not to be confused with a list of sites that are spam generators. Seeing nothing strange at friam.org according to my DNS lookup, I would wonder if Nick's DNS has been pwned. That is, despite the paranoia which we've instilled in Nick, he still managed to install a trojan that has hijacked the DNS services on his machine to redirect him to more bad sites. -- rec -- On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Isn’t it the sort of header that would trigger such a response in mcafee? From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 10:56 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox? McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these sites: friam.org Looking at the long headers, I still see the hostgo tag warning: X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system milan.hostgo.com, has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Off topic: The warning only appears only on FRIAM messages and it appears on all of them. Is there anything about FRIAM that the list-owner should be attending to? [...] Content analysis details: (-2.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description -- -- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.86.89.62 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.] -0.3 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list But I'm not sure that would rase the warning you see. -- Owen On Jan 2, 2011, at 8:41 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: Off topic: The warning only appears only on FRIAM messages and it appears on all of them. Is there anything about FRIAM that the list-owner should be attending to? N -Original Message- From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 6:54 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group; SFx Discuss Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox? McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these sites: friam.org I've started to use dropbox and it seems a real winner! I really like the way it combines a remote disk along with local sync'ed folders. Would anyone who doesn't have a dropbox account yet be willing to sign up as a referral? https://www.dropbox.com/referrals If you want to start an account, let me refer you first, and we'll BOTH get 250MB more .. up to a limit of 8GB. Just send me an email, I'll fill the form above, and we'll both get a larger account. -- Owen
Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?
The problem with friam.org is probably that it uses a cross-site frame to load its content from redfish.com, SiteAdvisor approves of redfish.com and a handful of other hand built sites that I know. -- rec -- On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: Great work, Roger! o...@backspaces.net is hosted at joyent.com, not hostgo. My DNS is managed by DNSMadeEasy, I use it to forward all my incoming email (MX records) to Postini for spam management which then forwards to my joyent email .. but I doubt this has anything to do with the problem. You can see the filtering in the long headers as psmtp.com entries. -- Owen On Jan 3, 2011, at 2:20 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote: The IP address that the x-spam-report lists as blacklisted [209.86.89.62 listed in list.dnswl.org] maps to elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net which doesn't have any relationship to anything that Owen sent. Ah, but it is one of smtp servers that Nick's email client uses, it shows up in the headers as the recipient of email from NicksPC. So Nick's earthlink mail sender is/was blacklisted at dnswl.org, but earthlink probably fixed that as fast as they could. I've looked at headers for several messages, I don't see the x-spam-report in any, where were they? Only in messages from Nick delivered to Owen? Owen, does hostgo.com host the mailbox for backspaces.net? They might only insert the x-spam-report into mail being delivered to locally hosted mailboxes. The headers appear in most recently inserted first order, so if the x-spam-report appears close to the final delivery, it's probably only in your copies. The SiteAdvisor warning is probably unrelated to the x-spam-report that Owen is seeing. SiteAdvisor is saying that McAffee has friam.org (or the IP address that DNS lookup returned for friam.org) in a list of hazardous sites, not to be confused with a list of sites that are spam generators. Seeing nothing strange at friam.org according to my DNS lookup, I would wonder if Nick's DNS has been pwned. That is, despite the paranoia which we've instilled in Nick, he still managed to install a trojan that has hijacked the DNS services on his machine to redirect him to more bad sites. -- rec -- On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Isn’t it the sort of header that would trigger such a response in mcafee? *From:* friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Owen Densmore *Sent:* Monday, January 03, 2011 10:56 AM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] dropbox? *McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning* This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these sites: http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org?pip=falsepremium=trueclient_uid=1064314504client_ver=3.3.0.168client_type=IEPluginsuite=trueaff_id=0locale=en_usos_ver=6.1.0.0 friam.org Looking at the long headers, I still see the hostgo tag warning: *X-Spam-Report: * Spam detection software, running on the system milan.hostgo.com, has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Off topic: The warning only appears only on FRIAM messages and it appears on all of them. Is there anything about FRIAM that the list-owner should be attending to? [...] Content analysis details: (-2.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description -- -- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.86.89.62 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.] -0.3 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list But I'm not sure that would rase the warning you see. -- Owen On Jan 2, 2011, at 8:41 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: Off topic: The warning only appears only on FRIAM messages and it appears on all of them. Is there anything about FRIAM that the list-owner should be attending to? N -Original Message- From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 6:54 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group; SFx Discuss Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox? McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these sites: friam.org I've started to use dropbox and it seems a real winner! I really like the way it combines a remote disk along with local sync'ed folders. Would anyone who
Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?
Bingo! You nailed it. It appears that hostgo makes secondary domains be implemented as frames: friam.org looks like: frame src=http://www.redfish.com/friam; scrolling=auto frameborder=no border=0 noresize= I've seen DNS services make this a choice for subdomains. The usual choice is to use subdirs == subdomains .. i.e. ~/www/ == the main domain, foo.com. Then ~/www/bar/ == bar.foo.com. What's odd is that hostgo implements it in the html, rather than in apache mapping. -- Owen On Jan 3, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote: The problem with friam.org is probably that it uses a cross-site frame to load its content from redfish.com, SiteAdvisor approves of redfish.com and a handful of other hand built sites that I know. -- rec -- On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: Great work, Roger! o...@backspaces.net is hosted at joyent.com, not hostgo. My DNS is managed by DNSMadeEasy, I use it to forward all my incoming email (MX records) to Postini for spam management which then forwards to my joyent email .. but I doubt this has anything to do with the problem. You can see the filtering in the long headers as psmtp.com entries. -- Owen On Jan 3, 2011, at 2:20 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote: The IP address that the x-spam-report lists as blacklisted [209.86.89.62 listed in list.dnswl.org] maps to elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net which doesn't have any relationship to anything that Owen sent. Ah, but it is one of smtp servers that Nick's email client uses, it shows up in the headers as the recipient of email from NicksPC. So Nick's earthlink mail sender is/was blacklisted at dnswl.org, but earthlink probably fixed that as fast as they could. I've looked at headers for several messages, I don't see the x-spam-report in any, where were they? Only in messages from Nick delivered to Owen? Owen, does hostgo.com host the mailbox for backspaces.net? They might only insert the x-spam-report into mail being delivered to locally hosted mailboxes. The headers appear in most recently inserted first order, so if the x-spam-report appears close to the final delivery, it's probably only in your copies. The SiteAdvisor warning is probably unrelated to the x-spam-report that Owen is seeing. SiteAdvisor is saying that McAffee has friam.org (or the IP address that DNS lookup returned for friam.org) in a list of hazardous sites, not to be confused with a list of sites that are spam generators. Seeing nothing strange at friam.org according to my DNS lookup, I would wonder if Nick's DNS has been pwned. That is, despite the paranoia which we've instilled in Nick, he still managed to install a trojan that has hijacked the DNS services on his machine to redirect him to more bad sites. -- rec -- On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Isn’t it the sort of header that would trigger such a response in mcafee? From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 10:56 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox? McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these sites: friam.org Looking at the long headers, I still see the hostgo tag warning: X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system milan.hostgo.com, has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Off topic: The warning only appears only on FRIAM messages and it appears on all of them. Is there anything about FRIAM that the list-owner should be attending to? [...] Content analysis details: (-2.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description -- -- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.86.89.62 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.] -0.3 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list But I'm not sure that would rase the warning you see. -- Owen On Jan 2, 2011, at 8:41 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: Off topic: The warning only appears only on FRIAM messages and it appears on all of them. Is there anything about FRIAM that the list-owner should be attending to? N -Original Message- From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?
Roger, Can you tell me, in non technical language, why site-advisor would have a problem with such a situation. I have to confess it's just idle curiosity, so if too much work, don't bother. Nick From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Roger Critchlow Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 5:28 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox? McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these sites: http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org?pip=falsepremium=trueclient_ui d=1064314504client_ver=3.3.0.168client_type=IEPluginsuite=trueaff_id=0l ocale=en_usos_ver=6.1.0.0 friam.org The problem with friam.org is probably that it uses a cross-site frame to load its content from redfish.com, SiteAdvisor approves of redfish.com and a handful of other hand built sites that I know. -- rec -- On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: Great work, Roger! o...@backspaces.net is hosted at joyent.com, not hostgo. My DNS is managed by DNSMadeEasy, I use it to forward all my incoming email (MX records) to Postini for spam management which then forwards to my joyent email .. but I doubt this has anything to do with the problem. You can see the filtering in the long headers as psmtp.com entries. -- Owen On Jan 3, 2011, at 2:20 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote: The IP address that the x-spam-report lists as blacklisted [209.86.89.62 listed in list.dnswl.org http://list.dnswl.org/ ] maps to elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net http://elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net/ which doesn't have any relationship to anything that Owen sent. Ah, but it is one of smtp servers that Nick's email client uses, it shows up in the headers as the recipient of email from NicksPC. So Nick's earthlink mail sender is/was blacklisted at dnswl.org http://dnswl.org/ , but earthlink probably fixed that as fast as they could. I've looked at headers for several messages, I don't see the x-spam-report in any, where were they? Only in messages from Nick delivered to Owen? Owen, does hostgo.com http://hostgo.com/ host the mailbox for backspaces.net http://backspaces.net/ ? They might only insert the x-spam-report into mail being delivered to locally hosted mailboxes. The headers appear in most recently inserted first order, so if the x-spam-report appears close to the final delivery, it's probably only in your copies. The SiteAdvisor warning is probably unrelated to the x-spam-report that Owen is seeing. SiteAdvisor is saying that McAffee has friam.org http://friam.org/ (or the IP address that DNS lookup returned for friam.org http://friam.org/ ) in a list of hazardous sites, not to be confused with a list of sites that are spam generators. Seeing nothing strange at friam.org http://friam.org/ according to my DNS lookup, I would wonder if Nick's DNS has been pwned. That is, despite the paranoia which we've instilled in Nick, he still managed to install a trojan that has hijacked the DNS services on his machine to redirect him to more bad sites. -- rec -- On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Isn't it the sort of header that would trigger such a response in mcafee? From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 10:56 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox? McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these sites: http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org?pip=falsepremium=trueclient_ui d=1064314504client_ver=3.3.0.168client_type=IEPluginsuite=trueaff_id=0l ocale=en_usos_ver=6.1.0.0 http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org?pip=falsepremium=trueclient_ui d=1064314504client_ver=3.3.0.168client_type=IEPluginsuite=trueaff_id=0l ocale=en_usos_ver=6.1.0.0 friam.org http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org?pip=falsepremium=trueclient_ui d=1064314504client_ver=3.3.0.168client_type=IEPluginsuite=trueaff_id=0l ocale=en_usos_ver=6.1.0.0 http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org?pip=falsepremium=trueclient_ui d=1064314504client_ver=3.3.0.168client_type=IEPluginsuite=trueaff_id=0l ocale=en_usos_ver=6.1.0.0 http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org?pip=falsepremium=trueclient_ui d=1064314504client_ver=3.3.0.168client_type=IEPluginsuite=trueaff_id=0l ocale=en_usos_ver=6.1.0.0 Looking at the long headers, I still see the hostgo tag warning: http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org?pip=falsepremium=trueclient_ui d=1064314504client_ver=3.3.0.168client_type=IEPluginsuite=trueaff_id=0l ocale=en_usos_ver=6.1.0.0 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system milan.hostgo.com, has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original
Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?
I'm only guessing, but a website that hosts only 9 lines of html and gets all its content by embedding a page from another website is probably a common spam pattern. Buy a hundred domains that misspell a high volume web destination, pack the embedded frame with juicy ads, maybe get enough click through to make a living. -- rec -- On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 9:27 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Roger, Can you tell me, in non technical language, why site-advisor would have a problem with such a situation. I have to confess it’s just idle curiosity, so if too much work, don’t bother. Nick *From:* friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Roger Critchlow *Sent:* Monday, January 03, 2011 5:28 PM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] dropbox? *McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning* This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these sites: http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org?pip=falsepremium=trueclient_uid=1064314504client_ver=3.3.0.168client_type=IEPluginsuite=trueaff_id=0locale=en_usos_ver=6.1.0.0 friam.org The problem with friam.org is probably that it uses a cross-site frame to load its content from redfish.com, SiteAdvisor approves of redfish.com and a handful of other hand built sites that I know. -- rec -- On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: Great work, Roger! o...@backspaces.net is hosted at joyent.com, not hostgo. My DNS is managed by DNSMadeEasy, I use it to forward all my incoming email (MX records) to Postini for spam management which then forwards to my joyent email .. but I doubt this has anything to do with the problem. You can see the filtering in the long headers as psmtp.com entries. -- Owen On Jan 3, 2011, at 2:20 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote: The IP address that the x-spam-report lists as blacklisted [209.86.89.62 listed in list.dnswl.org] maps to elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net which doesn't have any relationship to anything that Owen sent. Ah, but it is one of smtp servers that Nick's email client uses, it shows up in the headers as the recipient of email from NicksPC. So Nick's earthlink mail sender is/was blacklisted at dnswl.org, but earthlink probably fixed that as fast as they could. I've looked at headers for several messages, I don't see the x-spam-report in any, where were they? Only in messages from Nick delivered to Owen? Owen, does hostgo.com host the mailbox for backspaces.net? They might only insert the x-spam-report into mail being delivered to locally hosted mailboxes. The headers appear in most recently inserted first order, so if the x-spam-report appears close to the final delivery, it's probably only in your copies. The SiteAdvisor warning is probably unrelated to the x-spam-report that Owen is seeing. SiteAdvisor is saying that McAffee has friam.org (or the IP address that DNS lookup returned for friam.org) in a list of hazardous sites, not to be confused with a list of sites that are spam generators. Seeing nothing strange at friam.org according to my DNS lookup, I would wonder if Nick's DNS has been pwned. That is, despite the paranoia which we've instilled in Nick, he still managed to install a trojan that has hijacked the DNS services on his machine to redirect him to more bad sites. -- rec -- On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Isn’t it the sort of header that would trigger such a response in mcafee? *From:* friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Owen Densmore *Sent:* Monday, January 03, 2011 10:56 AM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] dropbox? *McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning* This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these sites: http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org?pip=falsepremium=trueclient_uid=1064314504client_ver=3.3.0.168client_type=IEPluginsuite=trueaff_id=0locale=en_usos_ver=6.1.0.0 *friam.org*http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org?pip=falsepremium=trueclient_uid=1064314504client_ver=3.3.0.168client_type=IEPluginsuite=trueaff_id=0locale=en_usos_ver=6.1.0.0 http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org?pip=falsepremium=trueclient_uid=1064314504client_ver=3.3.0.168client_type=IEPluginsuite=trueaff_id=0locale=en_usos_ver=6.1.0.0 http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org?pip=falsepremium=trueclient_uid=1064314504client_ver=3.3.0.168client_type=IEPluginsuite=trueaff_id=0locale=en_usos_ver=6.1.0.0 Looking at the long headers, I still see the hostgo tag warning:http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/friam.org?pip=falsepremium=trueclient_uid=1064314504client_ver=3.3.0.168client_type=IEPluginsuite=trueaff_id=0locale=en_usos_ver=6.1.0.0 *X-Spam-Report
Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?
I've started to use dropbox and it seems a real winner! I really like the way it combines a remote disk along with local sync'ed folders. Would anyone who doesn't have a dropbox account yet be willing to sign up as a referral? https://www.dropbox.com/referrals If you want to start an account, let me refer you first, and we'll BOTH get 250MB more .. up to a limit of 8GB. Just send me an email, I'll fill the form above, and we'll both get a larger account. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
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Nice timing, Owen. I signed up three days ago. --Doug On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: I've started to use dropbox and it seems a real winner! I really like the way it combines a remote disk along with local sync'ed folders. Would anyone who doesn't have a dropbox account yet be willing to sign up as a referral? https://www.dropbox.com/referrals If you want to start an account, let me refer you first, and we'll BOTH get 250MB more .. up to a limit of 8GB. Just send me an email, I'll fill the form above, and we'll both get a larger account. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org -- Doug Roberts drobe...@rti.org d...@parrot-farm.net 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?
Off topic: The warning only appears only on FRIAM messages and it appears on all of them. Is there anything about FRIAM that the list-owner should be attending to? N -Original Message- From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 6:54 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group; SFx Discuss Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox? McAfee SiteAdvisor Warning This e-mail message contains potentially unsafe links to these sites: friam.org I've started to use dropbox and it seems a real winner! I really like the way it combines a remote disk along with local sync'ed folders. Would anyone who doesn't have a dropbox account yet be willing to sign up as a referral? https://www.dropbox.com/referrals If you want to start an account, let me refer you first, and we'll BOTH get 250MB more .. up to a limit of 8GB. Just send me an email, I'll fill the form above, and we'll both get a larger account. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?
Great info, thanks! Questions: - Do you use the pro versions, the for-pay ones? Or do you use the fee one. - Is the only difference between the free and pay versions the amount of space? - How do you deal with security? Is SSH an option or are you stuck with passwords? - Isn't performance a problem? Our Santa Fe networks are really slow. -- Owen On Nov 28, 2010, at 10:23 PM, Chris Feola wrote: Hey Nick, We use Dropbox a ton; here’s why. I’ve never been a big fan of cloud storage—It’s OK, but I’ve always had access to servers and such, so there didn’t seem to be much of a point for someone in my situation. Dropbox, however, is a game changer. First, clients for everything. In my office alone we have it on Mac OSx, Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7, several flavors of Linux, iOS 3, iOS4 and Android 2.X. Second, there’s the synching. On regular -- big -- machines such as desktops and laptops, Dropbox creates a mirror folder on your hard drive and synchronizes it with the cloud. Super useful for using multiple machines, backup, etc. Even better, it means backups on every machine AS WELL AS the cloud, so even if the cloud went away I’m still in good shape. Plus, multiple levels of undelete, logging of who did what, share control, etc. While this is a great strategy for hard drives, it's not so hot for the much tighter solid state storage on mobile devices. Here, Dropbox works in the opposite fashion-it creates what looks like a folder in your storage, but does NOT automatically synchronize the files. This has several advanatages: it allows you to access tons of stuff without using up your storage, for one. And it allows the Dropbox folder to appear as a usable drive to other programs, such as Docs to Go, so you can create docs on, say, your iPad and have them backed up/available for editing on your bigger hardware. There's a catch to this, obviously -- it doesn't work when you're offline. So how do you make stuff in your Dropbox available for, say, work on an airplane? Simple-you favorite it. So, bottom line: Great synching. Backup. Clients for pretty much everything. And if I’m in a meeting and need a doc I don’t have I can pull it up on my Android phone. Recommended. cjf Christopher J. Feola President, nextPression Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/cjfeola From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Nicholas Thompson Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 5:56 PM To: russ.abb...@gmail.com; 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox? Russ, I just rummaged around on SkyDrive help pages and could find no sign that it sync-ed automatically. Any leads? Nick From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Russ Abbott Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 3:27 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox? I just looked up DropBox. Why is it better than other online file storage systems? For example, Google sites includes the means to store files, up to 10GB for free. (Dropbox includes only 2GB for free.) Windows Live SkyDrive includes 25GB free. (I think it syncs automatically if you have Windows 7.) Google sites seems to keep all versions of files so that one can retrieve previous versions. I haven't found a way to retrieve previous versions from SkyDrive and don't know if they keep them. The DropBox website didn't say anything about keeping previous versions. -- Russ On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: Good info! gpg is new to me, so a question or two: - Do you use the pay Dropbox service? .. or just the free one? - Is gpg (http://www.gnupg.org/) easy to administer? Does it replace SSH key pairs? - Is gpg available fairly universally .. iPhone/Android, Mac/Win/Linux .. web hosting services? - What's gpg like to use? Sounds interesting. -- Owen On Nov 28, 2010, at 8:07 AM, Robert Holmes wrote: Owen - I work interchangeably on my office and home computers and I use Dropbox to keep particular parts of my setup synced between the two machines. In particular: my to-do lists, engineer's notebook, big file o' passwords (gpg-ed, of course) and simple Python utilities all go into Dropbox hence are always up to date and accessible; my ever-growing collection of .PDFs of academic journals and papers goes into Dropbox so I can easily get it from any machine (and add to it from any of my machines). I do have Dropbox enabled on my Droid, but I don't think the Droid is terribly effective as an input device and its screen is just too small for comfortable viewing of PDFs, so I don't use it much for that. Handy in an emergency though. -- R On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: Anyone
Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?
Owen - I work interchangeably on my office and home computers and I use Dropbox to keep particular parts of my setup synced between the two machines. In particular: 1. my to-do lists, engineer's notebook, big file o' passwords (gpg-ed, of course) and simple Python utilities all go into Dropbox hence are always up to date and accessible; 2. my ever-growing collection of .PDFs of academic journals and papers goes into Dropbox so I can easily get it from any machine (and add to it from any of my machines). I do have Dropbox enabled on my Droid, but I don't think the Droid is terribly effective as an input device and its screen is just too small for comfortable viewing of PDFs, so I don't use it much for that. Handy in an emergency though. -- R On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: Anyone on the list using dropbox a lot? I'm wondering if the iPad/iPhone app would be useful. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?
Good info! gpg is new to me, so a question or two: - Do you use the pay Dropbox service? .. or just the free one? - Is gpg (http://www.gnupg.org/) easy to administer? Does it replace SSH key pairs? - Is gpg available fairly universally .. iPhone/Android, Mac/Win/Linux .. web hosting services? - What's gpg like to use? Sounds interesting. -- Owen On Nov 28, 2010, at 8:07 AM, Robert Holmes wrote: Owen - I work interchangeably on my office and home computers and I use Dropbox to keep particular parts of my setup synced between the two machines. In particular: my to-do lists, engineer's notebook, big file o' passwords (gpg-ed, of course) and simple Python utilities all go into Dropbox hence are always up to date and accessible; my ever-growing collection of .PDFs of academic journals and papers goes into Dropbox so I can easily get it from any machine (and add to it from any of my machines). I do have Dropbox enabled on my Droid, but I don't think the Droid is terribly effective as an input device and its screen is just too small for comfortable viewing of PDFs, so I don't use it much for that. Handy in an emergency though. -- R On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: Anyone on the list using dropbox a lot? I'm wondering if the iPad/iPhone app would be useful. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?
I just looked up DropBox. Why is it better than other online file storage systems? For example, Google sites includes the means to store files, up to 10GB for free. (Dropbox includes only 2GB for free.) Windows Live SkyDrive includes 25GB free. (I think it syncs automatically if you have Windows 7.) Google sites seems to keep all versions of files so that one can retrieve previous versions. I haven't found a way to retrieve previous versions from SkyDrive and don't know if they keep them. The DropBox website didn't say anything about keeping previous versions. * -- Russ * On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: Good info! gpg is new to me, so a question or two: - Do you use the pay Dropbox service? .. or just the free one? - Is gpg (http://www.gnupg.org/) easy to administer? Does it replace SSH key pairs? - Is gpg available fairly universally .. iPhone/Android, Mac/Win/Linux .. web hosting services? - What's gpg like to use? Sounds interesting. -- Owen On Nov 28, 2010, at 8:07 AM, Robert Holmes wrote: Owen - I work interchangeably on my office and home computers and I use Dropbox to keep particular parts of my setup synced between the two machines. In particular: 1. my to-do lists, engineer's notebook, big file o' passwords (gpg-ed, of course) and simple Python utilities all go into Dropbox hence are always up to date and accessible; 2. my ever-growing collection of .PDFs of academic journals and papers goes into Dropbox so I can easily get it from any machine (and add to it from any of my machines). I do have Dropbox enabled on my Droid, but I don't think the Droid is terribly effective as an input device and its screen is just too small for comfortable viewing of PDFs, so I don't use it much for that. Handy in an emergency though. -- R On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: Anyone on the list using dropbox a lot? I'm wondering if the iPad/iPhone app would be useful. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?
For me, the automatic sync is the big attraction. It's probably no better than any other online storage system if storage is all you want from it, but the ease of sync (and the fact that I can selectively share these synced folders with non-Dropbox users) is a big plus. -- R P.S. Dropbox keeps previous versions. Not sure how far back, but far enough back for my purposes. On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Russ Abbott russ.abb...@gmail.com wrote: I just looked up DropBox. Why is it better than other online file storage systems? For example, Google sites includes the means to store files, up to 10GB for free. (Dropbox includes only 2GB for free.) Windows Live SkyDrive includes 25GB free. (I think it syncs automatically if you have Windows 7.) Google sites seems to keep all versions of files so that one can retrieve previous versions. I haven't found a way to retrieve previous versions from SkyDrive and don't know if they keep them. The DropBox website didn't say anything about keeping previous versions. * -- Russ * On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: Good info! gpg is new to me, so a question or two: - Do you use the pay Dropbox service? .. or just the free one? - Is gpg (http://www.gnupg.org/) easy to administer? Does it replace SSH key pairs? - Is gpg available fairly universally .. iPhone/Android, Mac/Win/Linux .. web hosting services? - What's gpg like to use? Sounds interesting. -- Owen On Nov 28, 2010, at 8:07 AM, Robert Holmes wrote: Owen - I work interchangeably on my office and home computers and I use Dropbox to keep particular parts of my setup synced between the two machines. In particular: 1. my to-do lists, engineer's notebook, big file o' passwords (gpg-ed, of course) and simple Python utilities all go into Dropbox hence are always up to date and accessible; 2. my ever-growing collection of .PDFs of academic journals and papers goes into Dropbox so I can easily get it from any machine (and add to it from any of my machines). I do have Dropbox enabled on my Droid, but I don't think the Droid is terribly effective as an input device and its screen is just too small for comfortable viewing of PDFs, so I don't use it much for that. Handy in an emergency though. -- R On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: Anyone on the list using dropbox a lot? I'm wondering if the iPad/iPhone app would be useful. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?
Owen - - I use the paid version, because I've got tons of PDFs. - Administering gpg can be a little opaque but there's some good guides out there (cheat sheet herehttp://irtfweb.ifa.hawaii.edu/~lockhart/gpg/gpg-cs.html; original reference documentation—surprisingly readable—herehttp://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual.html ). - Mac/Win/Linux availability: yes. In all cases you can get GUI clients that sit on top of the command line tool, but to be honest I find the command line gpg easier to use. iPhone/Android: dunno, but I tend to use those as read-only devices. - Once I had my public and secret keys set up I've only ever used gpg -d to decode a file and gpg -e -s to symmetrically encode it and sign it. -- R On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: Good info! gpg is new to me, so a question or two: - Do you use the pay Dropbox service? .. or just the free one? - Is gpg (http://www.gnupg.org/) easy to administer? Does it replace SSH key pairs? - Is gpg available fairly universally .. iPhone/Android, Mac/Win/Linux .. web hosting services? - What's gpg like to use? Sounds interesting. -- Owen On Nov 28, 2010, at 8:07 AM, Robert Holmes wrote: Owen - I work interchangeably on my office and home computers and I use Dropbox to keep particular parts of my setup synced between the two machines. In particular: 1. my to-do lists, engineer's notebook, big file o' passwords (gpg-ed, of course) and simple Python utilities all go into Dropbox hence are always up to date and accessible; 2. my ever-growing collection of .PDFs of academic journals and papers goes into Dropbox so I can easily get it from any machine (and add to it from any of my machines). I do have Dropbox enabled on my Droid, but I don't think the Droid is terribly effective as an input device and its screen is just too small for comfortable viewing of PDFs, so I don't use it much for that. Handy in an emergency though. -- R On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.netwrote: Anyone on the list using dropbox a lot? I'm wondering if the iPad/iPhone app would be useful. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?
Russ, I just rummaged around on SkyDrive help pages and could find no sign that it sync-ed automatically. Any leads? Nick From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Russ Abbott Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 3:27 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox? I just looked up DropBox. Why is it better than other online file storage systems? For example, Google sites includes the means to store files, up to 10GB for free. (Dropbox includes only 2GB for free.) Windows Live SkyDrive includes 25GB free. (I think it syncs automatically if you have Windows 7.) Google sites seems to keep all versions of files so that one can retrieve previous versions. I haven't found a way to retrieve previous versions from SkyDrive and don't know if they keep them. The DropBox website didn't say anything about keeping previous versions. -- Russ On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: Good info! gpg is new to me, so a question or two: - Do you use the pay Dropbox service? .. or just the free one? - Is gpg (http://www.gnupg.org/) easy to administer? Does it replace SSH key pairs? - Is gpg available fairly universally .. iPhone/Android, Mac/Win/Linux .. web hosting services? - What's gpg like to use? Sounds interesting. -- Owen On Nov 28, 2010, at 8:07 AM, Robert Holmes wrote: Owen - I work interchangeably on my office and home computers and I use Dropbox to keep particular parts of my setup synced between the two machines. In particular: 1. my to-do lists, engineer's notebook, big file o' passwords (gpg-ed, of course) and simple Python utilities all go into Dropbox hence are always up to date and accessible; 2. my ever-growing collection of .PDFs of academic journals and papers goes into Dropbox so I can easily get it from any machine (and add to it from any of my machines). I do have Dropbox enabled on my Droid, but I don't think the Droid is terribly effective as an input device and its screen is just too small for comfortable viewing of PDFs, so I don't use it much for that. Handy in an emergency though. -- R On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: Anyone on the list using dropbox a lot? I'm wondering if the iPad/iPhone app would be useful. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org http://www.friam.org/ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org http://www.friam.org/ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org http://www.friam.org/ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?
I know I saw it. It requires Windows 7. Since I don't have Windows 7, I didn't spend much time thinking about it. I just did a quick search and found this pagehttp://explore.live.com/windows-live-mesh-devices-sync-upgrade-uion Windows Live Mesh that seems relevant. * -- Russ * On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Russ, I just rummaged around on SkyDrive help pages and could find no sign that it sync-ed automatically. Any leads? Nick *From:* friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Russ Abbott *Sent:* Sunday, November 28, 2010 3:27 PM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] dropbox? I just looked up DropBox. Why is it better than other online file storage systems? For example, Google sites includes the means to store files, up to 10GB for free. (Dropbox includes only 2GB for free.) Windows Live SkyDrive includes 25GB free. (I think it syncs automatically if you have Windows 7.) Google sites seems to keep all versions of files so that one can retrieve previous versions. I haven't found a way to retrieve previous versions from SkyDrive and don't know if they keep them. The DropBox website didn't say anything about keeping previous versions. * -- Russ * On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: Good info! gpg is new to me, so a question or two: - Do you use the pay Dropbox service? .. or just the free one? - Is gpg (http://www.gnupg.org/) easy to administer? Does it replace SSH key pairs? - Is gpg available fairly universally .. iPhone/Android, Mac/Win/Linux .. web hosting services? - What's gpg like to use? Sounds interesting. -- Owen On Nov 28, 2010, at 8:07 AM, Robert Holmes wrote: Owen - I work interchangeably on my office and home computers and I use Dropbox to keep particular parts of my setup synced between the two machines. In particular: 1. my to-do lists, engineer's notebook, big file o' passwords (gpg-ed, of course) and simple Python utilities all go into Dropbox hence are always up to date and accessible; 2. my ever-growing collection of .PDFs of academic journals and papers goes into Dropbox so I can easily get it from any machine (and add to it from any of my machines). I do have Dropbox enabled on my Droid, but I don't think the Droid is terribly effective as an input device and its screen is just too small for comfortable viewing of PDFs, so I don't use it much for that. Handy in an emergency though. -- R On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: Anyone on the list using dropbox a lot? I'm wondering if the iPad/iPhone app would be useful. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] dropbox?
Hey Nick, We use Dropbox a ton; here's why. I've never been a big fan of cloud storage-It's OK, but I've always had access to servers and such, so there didn't seem to be much of a point for someone in my situation. Dropbox, however, is a game changer. First, clients for everything. In my office alone we have it on Mac OSx, Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7, several flavors of Linux, iOS 3, iOS4 and Android 2.X. Second, there's the synching. On regular -- big -- machines such as desktops and laptops, Dropbox creates a mirror folder on your hard drive and synchronizes it with the cloud. Super useful for using multiple machines, backup, etc. Even better, it means backups on every machine AS WELL AS the cloud, so even if the cloud went away I'm still in good shape. Plus, multiple levels of undelete, logging of who did what, share control, etc. While this is a great strategy for hard drives, it's not so hot for the much tighter solid state storage on mobile devices. Here, Dropbox works in the opposite fashion-it creates what looks like a folder in your storage, but does NOT automatically synchronize the files. This has several advanatages: it allows you to access tons of stuff without using up your storage, for one. And it allows the Dropbox folder to appear as a usable drive to other programs, such as Docs to Go, so you can create docs on, say, your iPad and have them backed up/available for editing on your bigger hardware. There's a catch to this, obviously -- it doesn't work when you're offline. So how do you make stuff in your Dropbox available for, say, work on an airplane? Simple-you favorite it. So, bottom line: Great synching. Backup. Clients for pretty much everything. And if I'm in a meeting and need a doc I don't have I can pull it up on my Android phone. Recommended. cjf Christopher J. Feola President, nextPression Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/cjfeola From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Nicholas Thompson Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 5:56 PM To: russ.abb...@gmail.com; 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox? Russ, I just rummaged around on SkyDrive help pages and could find no sign that it sync-ed automatically. Any leads? Nick From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Russ Abbott Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 3:27 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] dropbox? I just looked up DropBox. Why is it better than other online file storage systems? For example, Google sites includes the means to store files, up to 10GB for free. (Dropbox includes only 2GB for free.) Windows Live SkyDrive includes 25GB free. (I think it syncs automatically if you have Windows 7.) Google sites seems to keep all versions of files so that one can retrieve previous versions. I haven't found a way to retrieve previous versions from SkyDrive and don't know if they keep them. The DropBox website didn't say anything about keeping previous versions. -- Russ On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: Good info! gpg is new to me, so a question or two: - Do you use the pay Dropbox service? .. or just the free one? - Is gpg (http://www.gnupg.org/) easy to administer? Does it replace SSH key pairs? - Is gpg available fairly universally .. iPhone/Android, Mac/Win/Linux .. web hosting services? - What's gpg like to use? Sounds interesting. -- Owen On Nov 28, 2010, at 8:07 AM, Robert Holmes wrote: Owen - I work interchangeably on my office and home computers and I use Dropbox to keep particular parts of my setup synced between the two machines. In particular: 1. my to-do lists, engineer's notebook, big file o' passwords (gpg-ed, of course) and simple Python utilities all go into Dropbox hence are always up to date and accessible; 2. my ever-growing collection of .PDFs of academic journals and papers goes into Dropbox so I can easily get it from any machine (and add to it from any of my machines). I do have Dropbox enabled on my Droid, but I don't think the Droid is terribly effective as an input device and its screen is just too small for comfortable viewing of PDFs, so I don't use it much for that. Handy in an emergency though. -- R On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: Anyone on the list using dropbox a lot? I'm wondering if the iPad/iPhone app would be useful. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org http://www.friam.org/ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's
[FRIAM] Dropbox
I'm going to Italy for a month and would like to use the Dropbox storage system .. there's an iPad/iPhone app that makes it easy to use. I'm leaving my laptop at home. Is it a good service? Any known problems/lock-ins? Generally I'd just mount a remote volume but iPad/iPhone don't have a standard file system metaphor yet. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Dropbox
I think its fabulous! Been using for about 12 months. Only issue I've found is that if you put a subversion repository in it you get contention issues...but that's my own fault for wanting to do something reckless. Cheers, Saul On 14 September 2010 09:40, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: I'm going to Italy for a month and would like to use the Dropbox storage system .. there's an iPad/iPhone app that makes it easy to use. I'm leaving my laptop at home. Is it a good service? Any known problems/lock-ins? Generally I'd just mount a remote volume but iPad/iPhone don't have a standard file system metaphor yet. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org -- Saul Caganoff Enterprise IT Architect Mobile: +61 410 430 809 LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/scaganoff FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Dropbox .. anyone tried it yet?
Not yet - it looks intriguing, but the Dropbox reserves the right, at any time, to change or impose fees for access to and use of the Site, Content, Files and/or Services. language in their ToS https://www.getdropbox.com/terms#pricing is somewhat disconcerting... Mark On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 7:43 PM, Owen Densmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone tried Dropbox: http://www.getdropbox.com/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dropbox_(storage_provider)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dropbox_%28storage_provider%29 It looks interesting but I wonder how well it all works. Backup is becoming more interesting nowadays with things like the Apple Time-Machine and the terabyte Time-Capsule. Maybe this'll be an interesting alternative. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Dropbox .. anyone tried it yet?
I finally downloaded and started to play with it. I was a bit discouraged with its commercialism .. it is a service after all, and the install crashed my computer! So in un-installed it and started looking at more use of some of my favorite equivalent programs: 1 - Mac has a drop box built in, if you have a webdav interface available on your web hosting service. Mine (joyent.com) does: bingodisk. For $19/yr I get a 10GB webdav datastore. Using the finder's Go-Connect To Server lets me have a standard finder window onto my bingodisk. 2 - Several non-finder solutions exist. One Don Begley introduced me to was ExpanDrive, which uses ftp/sftp, and produces the same finder file/volume interface. It does not yet support webdav. 3 - Just use most FTP clients, which often have scripts for drag/ drop. Transmit, for example, has demo applescripts, one of which is a droplet program. -- Owen On Nov 27, 2008, at 12:06 PM, M Suazo wrote: Not yet - it looks intriguing, but the Dropbox reserves the right, at any time, to change or impose fees for access to and use of the Site, Content, Files and/or Services. language in their ToS https://www.getdropbox.com/terms#pricing is somewhat disconcerting... Mark On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 7:43 PM, Owen Densmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone tried Dropbox: http://www.getdropbox.com/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dropbox_(storage_provider)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dropbox_%28storage_provider%29 It looks interesting but I wonder how well it all works. Backup is becoming more interesting nowadays with things like the Apple Time- Machine and the terabyte Time-Capsule. Maybe this'll be an interesting alternative. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] Dropbox .. anyone tried it yet?
I have 3 machines hooked up to dropbox - Linux and windows. And have had no problems, but only very light usage. If they do start charging then would revert to Webdav. Regards, Saul On 11/28/08, Owen Densmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I finally downloaded and started to play with it. I was a bit discouraged with its commercialism .. it is a service after all, and the install crashed my computer! So in un-installed it and started looking at more use of some of my favorite equivalent programs: 1 - Mac has a drop box built in, if you have a webdav interface available on your web hosting service. Mine (joyent.com) does: bingodisk. For $19/yr I get a 10GB webdav datastore. Using the finder's Go-Connect To Server lets me have a standard finder window onto my bingodisk. 2 - Several non-finder solutions exist. One Don Begley introduced me to was ExpanDrive, which uses ftp/sftp, and produces the same finder file/volume interface. It does not yet support webdav. 3 - Just use most FTP clients, which often have scripts for drag/ drop. Transmit, for example, has demo applescripts, one of which is a droplet program. -- Owen On Nov 27, 2008, at 12:06 PM, M Suazo wrote: Not yet - it looks intriguing, but the Dropbox reserves the right, at any time, to change or impose fees for access to and use of the Site, Content, Files and/or Services. language in their ToS https://www.getdropbox.com/terms#pricing is somewhat disconcerting... Mark On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 7:43 PM, Owen Densmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone tried Dropbox: http://www.getdropbox.com/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dropbox_(storage_provider)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dropbox_%28storage_provider%29 It looks interesting but I wonder how well it all works. Backup is becoming more interesting nowadays with things like the Apple Time- Machine and the terabyte Time-Capsule. Maybe this'll be an interesting alternative. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org -- Saul Caganoff Enterprise IT Architect LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/scaganoff FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
[FRIAM] Dropbox .. anyone tried it yet?
Has anyone tried Dropbox: http://www.getdropbox.com/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dropbox_(storage_provider) It looks interesting but I wonder how well it all works. Backup is becoming more interesting nowadays with things like the Apple Time- Machine and the terabyte Time-Capsule. Maybe this'll be an interesting alternative. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
