Re: [FRIAM] where to get adobe cheep?
Adobe sells boxes, but with CS6 also offer subscriptions - $29/month for whole suite, plus a bunch of other stuff, plus free upgrades. The $29 was the price offered to me as an owner of CS5 educational - not sure if it would be different for others. davew On Tue, Jul 31, 2012, at 12:07 PM, Tom Johnson wrote: Adobe does offer educator and student prices, which are relatively affordable. But about a year ago I ponied up $140 for Acrobat X, via an educational reseller, and never could get the damn thing installed because of the Adobe Paranoia (trademark pending) in terms of all the often-conflicting security/install hoops one has to jump through. I still have, and use, Acrobat 8 Pro quite happily, but otherwise refuse to pay the price for its products. --tj On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Steve Smith [1]sasm...@swcp.com wrote: Gil - Hi all SFCC in it's devign wisdome is teaching Adobe CS products. Suficed to say It'd be handy to have at home-for eas of completing classes-and might be handy later. However I am wincing at the 600 Adobe is asking for there latest software sweet (CS6) Any ideas where to get it a bit less? Short of a bootleg/pirate copy or someone generous who isn't using theirs I think the price is as good as it gets. For the rest of us (non-educational), the price is closer to $3000, depending on details? Wait until you check out the AutoDesk suite! They do offer CS6 in bits and pieces for educational as well, I think... so getting one or two tools is a possible way to save? The good news is that CS6 is a totally professional tool suite and when mastered, you will be prepared to play in the big leagues, unhampered by ad-hoc or limited tools. It's a tough paradox. - Steve FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at [2]http://www.friam.org -- == J. T. Johnson Institute for Analytic Journalism -- Santa Fe, NM USA 505.577.6482(c)505.473.9646(h) Twitter: jtjohnson [3]http://www.jtjohnson.com [4]t...@jtjohnson.com == FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at [5]http://www.friam.org References 1. mailto:sasm...@swcp.com 2. http://www.friam.org/ 3. http://www.jtjohnson.com/ 4. mailto:t...@jtjohnson.com 5. http://www.friam.org/ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
[FRIAM] where to get adobe cheep?
Hi all SFCC in it's devign wisdome is teaching Adobe CS products. Suficed to say It'd be handy to have at home-for eas of completing classes-and might be handy later. However I am wincing at the 600 Adobe is asking for there latest software sweet (CS6) Any ideas where to get it a bit less? FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] where to get adobe cheep?
Gil - Hi all SFCC in it's devign wisdome is teaching Adobe CS products. Suficed to say It'd be handy to have at home-for eas of completing classes-and might be handy later. However I am wincing at the 600 Adobe is asking for there latest software sweet (CS6) Any ideas where to get it a bit less? Short of a bootleg/pirate copy or someone generous who isn't using theirs I think the price is as good as it gets. For the rest of us (non-educational), the price is closer to $3000, depending on details? Wait until you check out the AutoDesk suite! They do offer CS6 in bits and pieces for educational as well, I think... so getting one or two tools is a possible way to save? The good news is that CS6 is a totally professional tool suite and when mastered, you will be prepared to play in the big leagues, unhampered by ad-hoc or limited tools. It's a tough paradox. - Steve FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] where to get adobe cheep?
Adobe does offer educator and student prices, which are relatively affordable. But about a year ago I ponied up $140 for Acrobat X, via an educational reseller, and never could get the damn thing installed because of the Adobe Paranoia (trademark pending) in terms of all the often-conflicting security/install hoops one has to jump through. I still have, and use, Acrobat 8 Pro quite happily, but otherwise refuse to pay the price for its products. --tj On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com wrote: Gil - Hi all SFCC in it's devign wisdome is teaching Adobe CS products. Suficed to say It'd be handy to have at home-for eas of completing classes-and might be handy later. However I am wincing at the 600 Adobe is asking for there latest software sweet (CS6) Any ideas where to get it a bit less? Short of a bootleg/pirate copy or someone generous who isn't using theirs I think the price is as good as it gets. For the rest of us (non-educational), the price is closer to $3000, depending on details? Wait until you check out the AutoDesk suite! They do offer CS6 in bits and pieces for educational as well, I think... so getting one or two tools is a possible way to save? The good news is that CS6 is a totally professional tool suite and when mastered, you will be prepared to play in the big leagues, unhampered by ad-hoc or limited tools. It's a tough paradox. - Steve ==**== FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org -- == J. T. Johnson Institute for Analytic Journalism -- Santa Fe, NM USAhttp://www.analyticjournalism.com/ 505.577.6482(c)505.473.9646(h) Twitter: jtjohnson http://www.jtjohnson.com t...@jtjohnson.com == FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] where to get adobe cheep?
http://www.gimp.org/windows/ On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote: No one has mentioned the GIMP (Gnu Image Manipulation Program) as a free alternative. Functionally equivalent, +/- to Photoshop according to lots of reviews. --Doug On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Tom Johnson t...@jtjohnson.com wrote: Adobe does offer educator and student prices, which are relatively affordable. But about a year ago I ponied up $140 for Acrobat X, via an educational reseller, and never could get the damn thing installed because of the Adobe Paranoia (trademark pending) in terms of all the often-conflicting security/install hoops one has to jump through. I still have, and use, Acrobat 8 Pro quite happily, but otherwise refuse to pay the price for its products. --tj On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com wrote: Gil - Hi all SFCC in it's devign wisdome is teaching Adobe CS products. Suficed to say It'd be handy to have at home-for eas of completing classes-and might be handy later. However I am wincing at the 600 Adobe is asking for there latest software sweet (CS6) Any ideas where to get it a bit less? Short of a bootleg/pirate copy or someone generous who isn't using theirs I think the price is as good as it gets. For the rest of us (non-educational), the price is closer to $3000, depending on details? Wait until you check out the AutoDesk suite! They do offer CS6 in bits and pieces for educational as well, I think... so getting one or two tools is a possible way to save? The good news is that CS6 is a totally professional tool suite and when mastered, you will be prepared to play in the big leagues, unhampered by ad-hoc or limited tools. It's a tough paradox. - Steve ==**== FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org -- == J. T. Johnson Institute for Analytic Journalism -- Santa Fe, NM USAhttp://www.analyticjournalism.com/ 505.577.6482(c)505.473.9646(h) Twitter: jtjohnson http://www.jtjohnson.com t...@jtjohnson.com == FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org -- Doug Roberts drobe...@rti.org d...@parrot-farm.net http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell -- Doug Roberts drobe...@rti.org d...@parrot-farm.net http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] where to get adobe cheep?
No one has mentioned the GIMP (Gnu Image Manipulation Program) as a free alternative. Functionally equivalent, +/- to Photoshop according to lots of reviews. --Doug On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Tom Johnson t...@jtjohnson.com wrote: Adobe does offer educator and student prices, which are relatively affordable. But about a year ago I ponied up $140 for Acrobat X, via an educational reseller, and never could get the damn thing installed because of the Adobe Paranoia (trademark pending) in terms of all the often-conflicting security/install hoops one has to jump through. I still have, and use, Acrobat 8 Pro quite happily, but otherwise refuse to pay the price for its products. --tj On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com wrote: Gil - Hi all SFCC in it's devign wisdome is teaching Adobe CS products. Suficed to say It'd be handy to have at home-for eas of completing classes-and might be handy later. However I am wincing at the 600 Adobe is asking for there latest software sweet (CS6) Any ideas where to get it a bit less? Short of a bootleg/pirate copy or someone generous who isn't using theirs I think the price is as good as it gets. For the rest of us (non-educational), the price is closer to $3000, depending on details? Wait until you check out the AutoDesk suite! They do offer CS6 in bits and pieces for educational as well, I think... so getting one or two tools is a possible way to save? The good news is that CS6 is a totally professional tool suite and when mastered, you will be prepared to play in the big leagues, unhampered by ad-hoc or limited tools. It's a tough paradox. - Steve ==**== FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org -- == J. T. Johnson Institute for Analytic Journalism -- Santa Fe, NM USAhttp://www.analyticjournalism.com/ 505.577.6482(c)505.473.9646(h) Twitter: jtjohnson http://www.jtjohnson.com t...@jtjohnson.com == FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org -- Doug Roberts drobe...@rti.org d...@parrot-farm.net http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] where to get adobe cheep?
http://www.gimp.org/windows/ On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net mailto:d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: No one has mentioned the GIMP (Gnu Image Manipulation Program) as a free alternative. Functionally equivalent, +/- to Photoshop according to lots of reviews. --Doug I use GIMP as an alternative to Photoshop *all the time* but Photoshop is the *least* of what I'd want CS6 for... not sure what Gil is working on but I don't know any reasonable open-source alternative for Illustrator or their web design or video effects and editing tools. I understand Gil's irritation that his educational institution sets him up for expensive commercial software... on the other hand, if he's training to work in the field he will almost surely need skills with that specific toolset. The myriad piecewise alternatives are great and anyone worth their salt should learn *those too*! I agree with Tom about the Adobe Paranoia, and I don't use their commercial Acrobat stuff either... I was there when they hammered out their strategies (early 90's) for PDF code-named Carousel to become Acrobat. I was trying to move LANL from a microfiche/film/paper environment to a digital one... and Adobe were very helpful/friendly (for obvious reasons!). The revolution they caused with PostScript was key to many things, but the way they defined and cornered the market with PDF/Acrobat felt almost evil. But then the adults in the same general business (Xerox, IBM, Kodak) were already sold out and corrupt (IMO), Adobe had to get successful first. The efforts afoot with NeWS and NeXT at the time to use PS as the onscreen rendering model was killer... I'm still not sure what really killed all that (Owen, do you know?)... With CS6 going for hundreds (educational) and thousands (commercial), of course they are paranoid! I suspect that very few people outside of North America and Europe pay a penny into Adobe's coffers... I'm sure that market cash all goes to Pirates and Bootleggers and the Strongmen who enforce the rules, egos, and hierarchy that go with illegal activity. I knew Adobe when they were 30 employees on one floor of a building in San Jose... I have to say I'm *glad* they pulled it all together the way they did, their tools are stellar... but also... my cheapskate (information wants to be *free* as in *free beer*) side resents them nearly as much as MicroSnot. But I think of them more like AutoDesk... having recognized a huge niche and worked hard for decades to fill it well (for the most part). But just like international petroleum megacorps, my life is apparently better (for the moment) because of them, but that doesn't mean I don't mistrust them with my future and resent the velvet cuffs they are fashioning for my every appendage. Meanwhile, yes! use GIMP and OpenOffice, and everything else... The megacorps may own the preferred *answer* but they don't own the *question* or the myriad answers *to* the question! Viva la Diversite! Let the broiling froth of innovation and invention emerge us some new answers to old questions and perhaps even spandrel out some new *questions* to the many paradoxes implied by life itself. (over the top yet?) - Steve PS... In regards to my use of spandrel... you can verbize any noun. PPS and as a reward for Doug (and anyone else) for reading the whole diatribe (or cutting to the chase)... I have a fifth of Stranahans (Colorado Distillery) and a coolish (after dark) courtyard to sip it in. It's time again! On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Tom Johnson t...@jtjohnson.com mailto:t...@jtjohnson.com wrote: Adobe does offer educator and student prices, which are relatively affordable. But about a year ago I ponied up $140 for Acrobat X, via an educational reseller, and never could get the damn thing installed because of the Adobe Paranoia (trademark pending) in terms of all the often-conflicting security/install hoops one has to jump through. I still have, and use, Acrobat 8 Pro quite happily, but otherwise refuse to pay the price for its products. --tj On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com mailto:sasm...@swcp.com wrote: Gil - Hi all SFCC in it's devign wisdome is teaching Adobe CS products. Suficed to say It'd be handy to have at home-for eas of completing classes-and might be handy later. However I am wincing at the 600 Adobe is asking for there latest software sweet (CS6) Any ideas where to get it a bit less? Short of a bootleg/pirate copy or someone generous who isn't using theirs I think the price is as good as it gets. For the rest of us (non-educational), the price is closer
Re: [FRIAM] where to get adobe cheep?
GaDOING! This interesting little nugget right towards the end got my undivided attention. Pick a convenient time we're there! On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com wrote: PPS and as a reward for Doug (and anyone else) for reading the whole diatribe (or cutting to the chase)... I have a fifth of Stranahans (Colorado Distillery) and a coolish (after dark) courtyard to sip it in. It's time again! -- Doug Roberts drobe...@rti.org d...@parrot-farm.net http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] where to get adobe cheep?
at SFCC there's a cource called 'digital basics' that I'm taking this fall that at least from what I've been told by the prof that teaches the class covers the basics of quite a bit of the adobe ecology (nonspecific to which bits of tools).At some point I had some interest in learning about the cloud-what makes it tick and the like-for the media arts program the require you to learn at least photosho illustrator and endesign. On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote: GaDOING! This interesting little nugget right towards the end got my undivided attention. Pick a convenient time we're there! On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com wrote: PPS and as a reward for Doug (and anyone else) for reading the whole diatribe (or cutting to the chase)... I have a fifth of Stranahans (Colorado Distillery) and a coolish (after dark) courtyard to sip it in. It's time again! -- Doug Roberts drobe...@rti.org d...@parrot-farm.net http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
