Re: [FRIAM] Google Glass and privacy

2013-03-19 Thread Douglas Roberts
It it wasn't Google, it would be some other entity.  A lot of the
futuristic science fiction I used to enjoy featured miniaturization,
sensors, and surveillance. Tiny self-powered bots, powerful optics, EM,
quantum, and nuclear resonance imaging.  Machine intelligence. Privacy is
an illusion.


On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Robert Holmes rob...@robertholmes.orgwrote:

 tl;dr: Google has empowered you to ignore the privacy of other people.
 Bravo.


 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/google/9939933/Google-Glass-Orwellian-surveillance-with-fluffier-branding.html

 
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Re: [FRIAM] Google Glass and privacy

2013-03-19 Thread Robert Holmes
How very Brave New World. Keep taking the soma, Doug :)


On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 8:07 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote:

 Privacy is an illusion.

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Re: [FRIAM] Google Glass and privacy

2013-03-19 Thread Douglas Roberts
All the advantages of Christianity and alcohol; none of their defects.


On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 8:31 AM, Robert Holmes rob...@robertholmes.orgwrote:

 How very Brave New World. Keep taking the soma, Doug :)


 On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 8:07 AM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote:

 Privacy is an illusion.




 
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Re: [FRIAM] Google Glass and privacy

2013-03-19 Thread Steve Smith

On 3/19/13 8:07 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote:
It it wasn't Google, it would be some other entity.  A lot of the 
futuristic science fiction I used to enjoy featured miniaturization, 
sensors, and surveillance. Tiny self-powered bots, powerful optics, 
EM, quantum, and nuclear resonance imaging.  Machine intelligence. 
Privacy is an illusion.
I think it is a lot more subtle than that.   There is the question of 
just what privacy is?


I agree that there is some kind of new-Orwellian Manifest Destiny at 
work, in the sense that if it *wasn't* Google it would be someone else.  
2 years ago I was shown a pair of sunglasses that had mini digital video 
recorder built in very discretely.  $200 or something from sharper 
image.  Admittedly, you had to plug it into a micro-usb to download the 
data (and recharge) with no WiFi or Bluetooth... but the point is the 
basic technology to invade your visual (and audio) privace is not new.   
Most anyone with a smartphone could already be recording the audio 
environment and the video environment within a modestly wide field of 
view.   Maybe we can start a new game at FRIAM or WedTech to see who can 
record the conversations most surruptitiously *without* Google 
Goggles.   The technology is already here.


Similarly I think too many  of us are at least numb if not comfortable 
to there being cameras at every street intersection in many 
municipalities.   They aren't even there (usually) to enforce, but 
rather to help run traffic lights based on flow and help determine 
congestion levels for various purposes.  Ostensibly a GoodThing.   But 
in principal if not in practice they are also busy providing the 
frontend to track all kinds of things.  We all see these cameras and 
even see them being (mis) used in movies, but for the most part we don't 
worry.  Similarly CCTV in businesses, ATMs on the street, etc.


And in the home?  I know that the way computers with built in cameras 
and microphones are designed is supposed to protect my privacy... but it 
doesn't take much to bypass most of that.   Maybe the camera won't even 
power up without lighting the notification LED next to it...  but a snip 
of wire (ok, so you have to open the case, non trivial) or even a dot of 
black fingernail polish over the LED and viola!   When I was a PI, it 
was understood (and of course never exploited) that many of the phone 
systems of the era could be exploited from outside the home.  The mic in 
the handset(s) were live all the time and could be tapped at the 
junction box outside the home by a clever wiseguy.   Laser-window mics 
weren't available yet but parabolic reflector mics and uber-long camera 
lenses were.


A few years ago, having your photo taken in the background of someones 
family vacation pics just mean your image showed up in their photo album 
on the coffee table... small and grainy and there for any one of their 
(merely) dozens of visitors to see.  Now, with digital cameras 
everywhere and Facebook and Flikr and automatic face recognition, it 
might not be hard to find dozens or even thousands of examples of your 
face on the net...   accidental portraiture exposing details of where 
you where when and with who.


Most of us could say If you don't have anything to hide, then you don't 
have anything to worry about!.  I don't think that is what privacy is 
about.


So what *is* privacy?  I'm not sure exactly but I think it is more than 
this.   I think hunter-gatherer bands of 100 or so had very little 
*practical* privacy from eachother.  I think even early cities had very 
little privacy.   I think what we think of as privacy *is* an 
illusion...  but I think there is something yet more subtle and 
important that constitutes real privacy.   I'll keep thinking on it, but 
I'm curious to know if anyone here has any other perspectives on just 
what privacy means?


Surely it means more than living your life outside of the range of 
cameras and microphones.


- Steve


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