Re: [FRnOG] [MISC] Legal Situation: Political elections 'spam'
Bonjour Ok, j'essaye en francais, mais avant toujours vecu dans la partie allemanique de la suisse, ca ne sera pas mieux que mon anglais :-) D'abord merci pour les informations, ca m'a bien aide a trouver les informations et contactes. Voici donc une mise a jour de mes résulats. Le consulat semble s'en ficher de mes réclamations. Je reçois plus ou moin des reponses modelles qui ne repondent pas vraiment a mes questions. Mais le Ministère des Affaires étrangères et européennes m'a plus ou moins pousse sur le probleme: http://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/fr/les-francais-a-l-etranger/elections-2012- votez-a-l-etranger/article/elections-2012-utilisation-des D'apres l'article 1, apparament une loi dit que le consulat est oblige a inscrire les adreses électroniques des français a l'étranger dans les listes électorales. L'article 4 dit, 'L’administration consulaire veille en particulier à ce que les électeurs soient parfaitement informés de l’usage qui pourra être fait de leur adresse électronique lorsqu’ils la communiquent.'. Et refère aussi au guide de la cnil concernant la communication politique: obligations légales et bonnes pratiques (Fichier No 10, Page 38) apres la quelle les receveurs doiverent confirmer par opt-in q'ils sont d'accord de recevoir des newsletters politiques. Apparament l'administration colsulaire s'en fiche de l'artice 4 parce que l'article 1 les obliges a publier les adresses électronique, meme si elles ont été déclare confidentielles par leur possesseur. Bon pour les francais en suisse le probleme est en train de se resoudre tout seul :-) bayrou.fr.uribl.swinog.ch has address 127.0.0.2 francoishollande.fr.uribl.swinog.ch has address 127.0.0.2 lafranceforte.fr.uribl.swinog.ch has address 127.0.0.2 -Benoît- SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM / Hormel's new miracle meat in a can Tastes fine, saves time. / If you want something grand, / Ask for SPAM! - Hormel's 1937 jingle for SPAM Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia sh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/-phobia --- Liste de diffusion du FRnOG http://www.frnog.org/
Re: [FRnOG] [MISC] Legal Situation: Political elections 'spam'
Bonjour, Oui je connais ça ... Est-ce que tu es inscrit sur le Registre des Français établis hors de France ? Si oui, tu peux aller sur http://monconsulat.fr et avec ton identifiant NUMIC changer l'email n°1 qui figure sur la liste électorale consulaire. Elle est communicable, à leur demande, aux électeurs inscrits, aux candidats, aux élus et aux partis et groupements politiques. L'adresse email n°2 reste pour le contact avec l'ambassade. Malheureusement c'est probablement trop tard pour ces élections. Cordialement On 29 March 2012 15:04, Benoit Panizzon paniz...@woody.ch wrote: Hello I'm not sure if I'm right here, but as I work at an ISP I hope to mybe find competent answers here :-) I am a french citizen living in switzerland. Two years ago I had to renew my french ID and did so in the french embassy. I was asked if I had an email address to get a notification, when I could come and pick it up. I have not got any more emails from the embassy since. About two weeks ago, I started to get an incredible ammount of political spam refering to the french elections. Some of the emails state that they are not spam, because they comply with: Article L330-4 Code électoral. Does this realy apply to email addresses given to the embassy for other purposes, like getting a notification when to pick up an ID? Anyway, I never agreed that my email address is put on a liste électorale and never premitted the french embassy to hand out my email address or other personal data to marketing companies who now work for the elections and tomorrow will promptly reuse my data for any other email campaign or sell it to anyone wanting to buy it from them. I did try to unsubscribe from some of those lists, unsuccessfully. I still get their 'newsletters'. Is there anything else which can be legaly done against political spam? Like for example in switzerland, the 'Préposé fédéral à la protection des données et à la transparence' website offers templates for legal letters to send to companies and authorities to request them to send you and extract of your data and delete it. Is there something similar in france? -Benoît Panizzon- SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM / Hormel's new miracle meat in a can Tastes fine, saves time. / If you want something grand, / Ask for SPAM! - Hormel's 1937 jingle for SPAM Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia sh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/-phobia --- Liste de diffusion du FRnOG http://www.frnog.org/ -- Benjamin Carrier --- Liste de diffusion du FRnOG http://www.frnog.org/
Re: [FRnOG] [MISC] Legal Situation: Political elections 'spam'
Salut Benoît, Je suis exactement dans la même situation. Moi aussi ça me gonfle, mais au moins ce spam on sait quand il s'arrête. On pourrait aussi se demander s'il est légal d'en envoyer à un résident suisse... Guillaume Le 29 mars 2012 15:05, Benoit Panizzon paniz...@woody.ch a écrit : Hello I'm not sure if I'm right here, but as I work at an ISP I hope to mybe find competent answers here :-) I am a french citizen living in switzerland. Two years ago I had to renew my french ID and did so in the french embassy. I was asked if I had an email address to get a notification, when I could come and pick it up. I have not got any more emails from the embassy since. About two weeks ago, I started to get an incredible ammount of political spam refering to the french elections. Some of the emails state that they are not spam, because they comply with: Article L330-4 Code électoral. Does this realy apply to email addresses given to the embassy for other purposes, like getting a notification when to pick up an ID? Anyway, I never agreed that my email address is put on a liste électorale and never premitted the french embassy to hand out my email address or other personal data to marketing companies who now work for the elections and tomorrow will promptly reuse my data for any other email campaign or sell it to anyone wanting to buy it from them. I did try to unsubscribe from some of those lists, unsuccessfully. I still get their 'newsletters'. Is there anything else which can be legaly done against political spam? Like for example in switzerland, the 'Préposé fédéral à la protection des données et à la transparence' website offers templates for legal letters to send to companies and authorities to request them to send you and extract of your data and delete it. Is there something similar in france? -Benoît Panizzon- SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM / Hormel's new miracle meat in a can Tastes fine, saves time. / If you want something grand, / Ask for SPAM! - Hormel's 1937 jingle for SPAM Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia sh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/-phobia --- Liste de diffusion du FRnOG http://www.frnog.org/ --- Liste de diffusion du FRnOG http://www.frnog.org/
[FRnOG] [MISC] Legal Situation: Political elections 'spam'
Hello I'm not sure if I'm right here, but as I work at an ISP I hope to mybe find competent answers here :-) I am a french citizen living in switzerland. Two years ago I had to renew my french ID and did so in the french embassy. I was asked if I had an email address to get a notification, when I could come and pick it up. I have not got any more emails from the embassy since. About two weeks ago, I started to get an incredible ammount of political spam refering to the french elections. Some of the emails state that they are not spam, because they comply with: Article L330-4 Code électoral. Does this realy apply to email addresses given to the embassy for other purposes, like getting a notification when to pick up an ID? Anyway, I never agreed that my email address is put on a liste électorale and never premitted the french embassy to hand out my email address or other personal data to marketing companies who now work for the elections and tomorrow will promptly reuse my data for any other email campaign or sell it to anyone wanting to buy it from them. I did try to unsubscribe from some of those lists, unsuccessfully. I still get their 'newsletters'. Is there anything else which can be legaly done against political spam? Like for example in switzerland, the 'Préposé fédéral à la protection des données et à la transparence' website offers templates for legal letters to send to companies and authorities to request them to send you and extract of your data and delete it. Is there something similar in france? -Benoît Panizzon- SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM / Hormel's new miracle meat in a can Tastes fine, saves time. / If you want something grand, / Ask for SPAM! - Hormel's 1937 jingle for SPAM Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia sh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/-phobia --- Liste de diffusion du FRnOG http://www.frnog.org/
Re: [FRnOG] [MISC] Legal Situation: Political elections 'spam'
I am french also and like to speak french english like Monsieur Antoine De Caunes. I tried long time ago to be removed from tresor public mailing list but with no success. I understand your concern. Ciao. Le 29 mars 2012 15:04, Benoit Panizzon paniz...@woody.ch a écrit : Hello I'm not sure if I'm right here, but as I work at an ISP I hope to mybe find competent answers here :-) I am a french citizen living in switzerland. Two years ago I had to renew my french ID and did so in the french embassy. I was asked if I had an email address to get a notification, when I could come and pick it up. I have not got any more emails from the embassy since. About two weeks ago, I started to get an incredible ammount of political spam refering to the french elections. Some of the emails state that they are not spam, because they comply with: Article L330-4 Code électoral. Does this realy apply to email addresses given to the embassy for other purposes, like getting a notification when to pick up an ID? Anyway, I never agreed that my email address is put on a liste électorale and never premitted the french embassy to hand out my email address or other personal data to marketing companies who now work for the elections and tomorrow will promptly reuse my data for any other email campaign or sell it to anyone wanting to buy it from them. I did try to unsubscribe from some of those lists, unsuccessfully. I still get their 'newsletters'. Is there anything else which can be legaly done against political spam? Like for example in switzerland, the 'Préposé fédéral à la protection des données et à la transparence' website offers templates for legal letters to send to companies and authorities to request them to send you and extract of your data and delete it. Is there something similar in france? -Benoît Panizzon- SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM / Hormel's new miracle meat in a can Tastes fine, saves time. / If you want something grand, / Ask for SPAM! - Hormel's 1937 jingle for SPAM Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia sh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/-phobia --- Liste de diffusion du FRnOG http://www.frnog.org/ --- Liste de diffusion du FRnOG http://www.frnog.org/
Re: [FRnOG] [MISC] Legal Situation: Political elections 'spam'
Bonjour, Nous sommes un peu Hors sujet, mais l'equivalent de l'organe de protection des données suisse que vous mentionnez et notre bonne vieille CNIL. http://www.cnil.fr/ (Qui dispose semble-t-il de modèles de courrier à cet égard.) Il y'a eu semble-t-il détournement des liste d'emails collectés par les consulats et ambassades à des fins électoralistes, la presse française s'en est fait l'écho récemment. Cordialement Martin Garnier PS: pourquoi vouloir massacrer avec autant d'assurance la langue de Shakespeare alors que les lecteurs de cette liste de diffusion sont essentiellement francophones, sinon français. 2012/3/29, Sébastien FOUTREL sfout...@gmail.com: I am french also and like to speak french english like Monsieur Antoine De Caunes. I tried long time ago to be removed from tresor public mailing list but with no success. I understand your concern. Ciao. Le 29 mars 2012 15:04, Benoit Panizzon paniz...@woody.ch a écrit : Hello I'm not sure if I'm right here, but as I work at an ISP I hope to mybe find competent answers here :-) I am a french citizen living in switzerland. Two years ago I had to renew my french ID and did so in the french embassy. I was asked if I had an email address to get a notification, when I could come and pick it up. I have not got any more emails from the embassy since. About two weeks ago, I started to get an incredible ammount of political spam refering to the french elections. Some of the emails state that they are not spam, because they comply with: Article L330-4 Code électoral. Does this realy apply to email addresses given to the embassy for other purposes, like getting a notification when to pick up an ID? Anyway, I never agreed that my email address is put on a liste électorale and never premitted the french embassy to hand out my email address or other personal data to marketing companies who now work for the elections and tomorrow will promptly reuse my data for any other email campaign or sell it to anyone wanting to buy it from them. I did try to unsubscribe from some of those lists, unsuccessfully. I still get their 'newsletters'. Is there anything else which can be legaly done against political spam? Like for example in switzerland, the 'Préposé fédéral à la protection des données et à la transparence' website offers templates for legal letters to send to companies and authorities to request them to send you and extract of your data and delete it. Is there something similar in france? -Benoît Panizzon- SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM / Hormel's new miracle meat in a can Tastes fine, saves time. / If you want something grand, / Ask for SPAM! - Hormel's 1937 jingle for SPAM Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia sh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/-phobia --- Liste de diffusion du FRnOG http://www.frnog.org/ --- Liste de diffusion du FRnOG http://www.frnog.org/ --- Liste de diffusion du FRnOG http://www.frnog.org/
Re: [FRnOG] [MISC] Legal Situation: Political elections 'spam'
Some of the emails state that they are not spam, because they comply with: Article L330-4 Code électoral. Does this realy apply to email addresses given to the embassy for other purposes, like getting a notification when to pick up an ID? Yup. Ton adresse email fait partie de la base de données de la liste consulaire, et peut-être légalement contactée abusivement. Tout comme tu peux légalement recevoir des emails envoyés par une société à qui tu as acheté un produit. Mais c'est pas parce que c'est légal que c'est pas du spam : le spam, c'est ce que le destinataire considère comme étant du spam. Anyway, I never agreed that my email address is put on a liste électorale Liste consulaire, c'est pas la même chose and never premitted the french embassy to hand out my email address or other personal data to marketing companies who now work for the elections and tomorrow will promptly reuse my data for any other email campaign or sell it to anyone wanting to buy it from them. Tu peux paraitre un peu parano, mais je comprends ton point de vue. D'un autre côté, les spams qui arrivent jusqu'à mon inbox font les frais de ma vengeance particulièrement intransigeante. I did try to unsubscribe from some of those lists, unsuccessfully. I still get their 'newsletters'. Je n'ai pas lu l'article de loi en question, mais je suppose que c'est totalement interdit. Is there anything else which can be legaly done against political spam? Like for example in switzerland, the 'Préposé fédéral à la protection des données et à la transparence' website offers templates for legal letters to send to companies and authorities to request them to send you and extract of your data and delete it. Is there something similar in france? Contacte la CNIL, mais ça risque de prendre du temps à traiter le dossier ... -- Benjamin --- Liste de diffusion du FRnOG http://www.frnog.org/
Re: [FRnOG] [MISC] Legal Situation: Political elections 'spam'
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Désolé je continue en Anglais, courtoisie pour la personne qui nous sollicite... Ok the other option, Benoit, is to subscribe to SignalSpam www.signal-spam.fr There is a pluggin to install on you mail client and that's prety much it. If I remember well this is an association that gathers SPAM signaling from the members and forward pre-digested data to the CNIL for action. Seb. Le 29/03/2012 15:24, Martin Garnier a écrit : Bonjour, Nous sommes un peu Hors sujet, mais l'equivalent de l'organe de protection des données suisse que vous mentionnez et notre bonne vieille CNIL. http://www.cnil.fr/ (Qui dispose semble-t-il de modèles de courrier à cet égard.) Il y'a eu semble-t-il détournement des liste d'emails collectés par les consulats et ambassades à des fins électoralistes, la presse française s'en est fait l'écho récemment. Cordialement Martin Garnier PS: pourquoi vouloir massacrer avec autant d'assurance la langue de Shakespeare alors que les lecteurs de cette liste de diffusion sont essentiellement francophones, sinon français. 2012/3/29, Sébastien FOUTREL sfout...@gmail.com: I am french also and like to speak french english like Monsieur Antoine De Caunes. I tried long time ago to be removed from tresor public mailing list but with no success. I understand your concern. Ciao. Le 29 mars 2012 15:04, Benoit Panizzon paniz...@woody.ch a écrit : Hello I'm not sure if I'm right here, but as I work at an ISP I hope to mybe find competent answers here :-) I am a french citizen living in switzerland. Two years ago I had to renew my french ID and did so in the french embassy. I was asked if I had an email address to get a notification, when I could come and pick it up. I have not got any more emails from the embassy since. About two weeks ago, I started to get an incredible ammount of political spam refering to the french elections. Some of the emails state that they are not spam, because they comply with: Article L330-4 Code électoral. Does this realy apply to email addresses given to the embassy for other purposes, like getting a notification when to pick up an ID? Anyway, I never agreed that my email address is put on a liste électorale and never premitted the french embassy to hand out my email address or other personal data to marketing companies who now work for the elections and tomorrow will promptly reuse my data for any other email campaign or sell it to anyone wanting to buy it from them. I did try to unsubscribe from some of those lists, unsuccessfully. I still get their 'newsletters'. Is there anything else which can be legaly done against political spam? Like for example in switzerland, the 'Préposé fédéral à la protection des données et à la transparence' website offers templates for legal letters to send to companies and authorities to request them to send you and extract of your data and delete it. Is there something similar in france? -Benoît Panizzon- SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM / Hormel's new miracle meat in a can Tastes fine, saves time. / If you want something grand, / Ask for SPAM! - Hormel's 1937 jingle for SPAM Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia sh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/-phobia --- Liste de diffusion du FRnOG http://www.frnog.org/ --- Liste de diffusion du FRnOG http://www.frnog.org/ --- Liste de diffusion du FRnOG http://www.frnog.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPdGlfAAoJEJwze9gSRwhU4tIH/0U+LUMp4iqP+Oq29OPlW0nj BlqNJa6XlYFxXwWkW27f+dSm3B5VBV+9n8OXHqs2Z51YlAJkvmiFBX1TCAYCTFgO LP3upyq5BMA7uJsLpd8YXyidlzu4NLKegblYF+yEb1uWUHwV8IEUyD4d15ZqIiz6 1plyJEiX7t0ZX8BljLIQIFQXllgJkRphDzMnk6L7T1Ll7fZmscVHFZd3fwyfrXQn yX2ZHw0F9bqwKFv3EEEfcS9X6T5L3XWjAiI5E59IYRwOx+xkoCHFlrm5GXYvRN7j t42V2UgOIxpdn+lTbxFLDw2fF7Yo51vh8rqNXNBDt+DymfcfHgfIrJjQnPpt8vc= =EjUF -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- Liste de diffusion du FRnOG http://www.frnog.org/
Re: [FRnOG] [MISC] Legal Situation: Political elections 'spam'
'jour à tous. La CNIL a parfaitement résumé le soucis sur son site web. http://www.cnil.fr/elections/actualite/actualite/article/les-listes-electorales-consulaires-en-questions/ David. --- Liste de diffusion du FRnOG http://www.frnog.org/
Re: [FRnOG] [MISC] Legal Situation: Political elections 'spam'
Le 29/03/2012 15:53, Sebastien Lesimple a écrit : Désolé je continue en Anglais, courtoisie pour la personne qui nous sollicite... La personne est française :) --- Liste de diffusion du FRnOG http://www.frnog.org/
Re: [FRnOG] [MISC] Legal Situation: Political elections 'spam'
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 :) Certes mais rien n'indique dans son message qu'elle en maitrise la langue d'où mon blabla Anglois... Et pis j'avoue, je me suis fais plaisir, ça fait tellement longtemps que je ne l'utilise plus, la tentation était trop grande ;) Seb. Le 29/03/2012 16:06, Élodie de FranceServ Hébergement a écrit : Le 29/03/2012 15:53, Sebastien Lesimple a écrit : Désolé je continue en Anglais, courtoisie pour la personne qui nous sollicite... La personne est française :) --- Liste de diffusion du FRnOG http://www.frnog.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEbBAEBAgAGBQJPdG54AAoJEJwze9gSRwhU3/cH9AmalRmEr5KLFlqfNec90CH8 PlWsswLRwXas9X4u4Yp5G5l7DzUsVjvZ11k2yow3k+5GN9eUS6ybEetK37IAUXjL PnEV4wfDlVa3ufpTpxkOO5Aw5C2K+wKwcgmQWQcaPp3exsr+6kNHeecdAWt1943J X113hI5Y08uiTbJWshL2qdo4k/y2P9V26GLWCEwMQ9RtVsXq1tkwUyqGT1FG6BH2 /IEfRybRGGFpOwQ6gWZjPWSQCDGpaRa7hs7vuuZW30LhwjQGeRV6o+17xRcua8eL 2ZMc0LxYYALkdvpu4JAGdXQ5JFiCi68ZHiqbqf6j+bIUOIfhRvpzFnM/Ftn//g== =/sTd -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- Liste de diffusion du FRnOG http://www.frnog.org/
