Re: Perhaps a stupid couple of questions

1999-02-09 Thread Ray E. Harrell



Victor Milne wrote:

  I heard one programmer discussing it on radio several
 months ago, and he said that often when they find a date field, it's
 difficult to understand how the routine containing it interacts with other
 parts of the program. The work has been automated to some extent by software
 that will search for date fields, but it still has to be checked manually.

What wonderful thought.  Computer programers going through the same
problems that I've had with their creations.  Do you think it might make
them less arrogant?

REH




Re: Perhaps a stupid couple of questions

1999-02-08 Thread Ray E. Harrell



Thomas Lunde wrote:



(snip)

  As I look at the ads of training schools, I do not see
 an offers for training to become a Y2K correction specialist and most
 courses in their outlines do not even mention the need to become expert in
 Y2K problems.  Second question - what is going on in the training field to
 supply those capable enough to work on this problem.

 I would appreciate some thoughts on these questions.

 Respectfully,

 Thomas Lunde

Denial Tom,

That cigarette won't give you Cancer, just the other guy.

REH





Re: Perhaps a stupid couple of questions

1999-02-08 Thread Victor Milne

I'm not a computer person, Thomas, but I have been reading a great deal
about the y2k problem, and one of my sons is in the computer industry.

I can't tell you for sure why there are no ads. I would guess that each
organization sets up its own y2k assessment program and then calls in
outside help if they believe they need it. I am told that y2k consultants
are making a killing.

I don't think it is something that a three-month training program would
prepare one for. Apparently older programmers are now much in demand because
many of the programs were written in the now disused languages of COBOL and
FORTRAN. I guess more is involved than just replacing a two-digit date field
with a four-digit one. I heard one programmer discussing it on radio several
months ago, and he said that often when they find a date field, it's
difficult to understand how the routine containing it interacts with other
parts of the program. The work has been automated to some extent by software
that will search for date fields, but it still has to be checked manually.

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Date: February 08, 1999 4:50 PM
Subject: Perhaps a stupid couple of questions


I'm reading the Globe and Mail today and on the editorial page there is an
article from Alberta.  Now it seems that Chris Stockman - a cabinet
minister
of something, asked for quotes to fix the medical computers re Y2K and he
was given a number of estimates in the $250 million dollar range.  The
article pointed out that Chris had suggested that original equipment
manufacturers should bear some of the costs as they originally sold this
equipment with no warning of the downside - ie the Y2K problem, citing as
precedent, the tobacco industry payments to various States for the medical
problems caused by tobacco which they concealed.  Now, aside from the
astronomical sum - and bear in mind this is only to fix the medical
computers - the thought occurred to me that, every newspaper in the country
should be filled with ads for qualified personnel to work on these and
other
systems, and yet when I read the technical want ads, I have yet to see an
add for personnel to work on Y2K problems.

As this correction is basically a labour problem, not a capital equipment
problem, where is the demand for all these people to use up the $250
million
that is being asked for?  That is question # 1

Now, assuming a shortage of qualified personnel, I would expect every
training institute in the country to be offering courses in programming
languages to get people up to speed to work on Y2K problems.  As most of
the
work, I have read, requires no great programming skill, rather it is the
reading of millions of lines of code looking for date sensitive code and
then applying replacement code, it would seem to me that many people could
be trained in a 3 month course to be a mini specialist in some aspect of a
computer language.  As I look at the ads of training schools, I do not see
an offers for training to become a Y2K correction specialist and most
courses in their outlines do not even mention the need to become expert in
Y2K problems.  Second question - what is going on in the training field to
supply those capable enough to work on this problem.

I would appreciate some thoughts on these questions.

Respectfully,

Thomas Lunde