Re: FVWM: starting up applications
HV == Hans Voss hans.v...@gmail.com writes: HV Jason, two (short) questions. You addressed this to the list, and a third party, yet you address me personally. That makes me think that this was intended to be a personal message. In any case, I'll make my reply public since your query was public. HV (saves me from implementing my own mailfiltering system) Implement your own mail filtering system. Really. If it's truly that important that you never see another message from this particular person, then you should know that nothing I can do short of completely moderating the list will keep a persistent person from sending mail through the list, and then when that happens at least you can blame your setup instead of mine. HV what is the proper address for 'behavioural complaints' like these? You are welcome to mail me. The list owner address is of course appropriate, but I may not check it daily and in any case your message would have to compete for attention with the hundreds of spam messages that list subscribers do not see. Honestly, I have to say I'm somewhat disappointed in general. Yes, the original troublemaker is annoying. And from that we get a thread with weird conspiracy theories and one member leaving the project. Folks, it's just a single idiot on the Internet. There are many, many more of them out there. Just forget about it, grow thicker skin, and move on. - J
Re: FVWM: starting up applications
On Wednesday 23 September 2009 23:28:03 Darren Upsolla wrote: i want to remove the rudenes and = arogence from it - its shit to read The only rudeness and arrogance I have seen stems entirely from you. You seem to be unable to write anything that is either pleasant or lucid, and to have a very inflated opinion of your own importance. I have always found Thomas to be polite and exceptionally helpful (as well as very bright and well informed); and was very sorry when he left another list I subscribe to. Lisi
Re: FVWM: starting up applications
200909241730.29950.lisi.re...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 From: lisi.re...@gmail.com To: fvwm@fvwm.org Subject: Re: FVWM: starting up applications Date: Thu=2C 24 Sep 2009 17:30:29 +0100 On Wednesday 23 September 2009 23:28:03 Darren Upsolla wrote: i want to remove the rudenes and =3D arogence from it - its shit to read The only rudeness and arrogance I have seen stems entirely from you. You = seem to be unable to write anything that is either pleasant or lucid=2C and to= have a very inflated opinion of your own importance. who are you sorry? do you use or work with fvwm I have always found Thomas to be polite and exceptionally helpful (as wel= l as very bright and well informed)=3B and was very sorry when he left another= list I subscribe to. so what? i havent and i want him to drop dead and never work with this fvwm= project Darren =0A= _=0A= Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that=92s right for you.=0A= http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=3Dftp_val_wl_290=
Re: FVWM: starting up applications
DU == Darren Upsolla abovefrombe...@hotmail.com writes: DU i havent and i want him to drop dead and never work with DU this fvwm project This behavior is unacceptable. In all my years participating in this project I have not seen anything so reprehensible, and I will not stand for it. - J (the list owner)
Re: FVWM: starting up applications
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Jason L Tibbitts III ti...@math.uh.edu wrote: DU == Darren Upsolla abovefrombe...@hotmail.com writes: DU i havent and i want him to drop dead and never work with DU this fvwm project This behavior is unacceptable. In all my years participating in this project I have not seen anything so reprehensible, and I will not stand for it. - J (the list owner) I wish this character would have been banned several posts ago. Anyone spouting off like that without any constructive value has no place in any forum such as this. The humor of someone with very little skill in the English language complaining about documentation is quickly lost when the episode diverts real time from serious work. So what is to keep the limitless cash of corporate behemoths from poisoning forums such as this with cheap outsourced labor? If our good friend Thomas now needs to take a break, that scenario certainly seems plausible. Early on in the tirade, the hotmail address ticked my paranoia side. But even if it is not the case this time, it could happen in the future. Thank you Lisi for putting to words what I should have said sooner. -- Jason Weber (13 years using fvwm)
Re: FVWM: starting up applications
JW == Jason Weber bab...@imonk.com writes: JW I wish this character would have been banned several posts JW ago. I hadn't seen the offensive posts until today, and nobody reported them to me. JW So what is to keep the limitless cash of corporate behemoths from JW poisoning forums such as this with cheap outsourced labor? This seems a non sequitur to me. - J
Re: FVWM: starting up applications
Jason Weber bab...@imonk.com writes: On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Jason L Tibbitts III ti...@math.uh.edu wrote: JW == Jason Weber bab...@imonk.com writes: JW So what is to keep the limitless cash of corporate behemoths from JW poisoning forums such as this with cheap outsourced labor? This seems a non sequitur to me. I suggest the possibility that some day,,, Nope, 6 or 7 billion people in the world. Lots of them with internet access. They're coming out of the woodwork.
Re: FVWM: starting up applications
4aba9e5f.5010...@math.boisestate.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed=2C 23 Sep 2009 16:17:03 -0600 From: jai...@math.boisestate.edu To: abovefrombe...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: FVWM: starting up applications Darren Upsolla wrote: so is this patch going in - it sucks alot but i need to know before i st= art=3D rewriting everything pls - i already have removed initfunction just used= s=3D tartfunction and put differences in - o no initfunction o always use startfunction o don't use restartfunction and no=3D2C why are you defnending thomas_adam - he can drop dead as he = was s=3D o like rude on irc to me - i dont want anything to dowith him Why do you want to remove documentation The InitFunction=2C RestartFunction are still ran by FVWM and thus should be documented. It is just 'preferred' by some to only do it in the StartFunction / EndFunction=2C which is of course already clearly documented and exampled in the current man page. endfunction .=A0 that was not mentioned in http://www.mail-archive.com/f...@lists.math.uh.edu/msg16494.html If your patch 'sucks a lot' why even commit it=2C its not like a patch will be accepted. not my patch - the one sent in earlier - i want this email turned into docu= mentation - or linked from the docs - but i want to remove the rudenes and = arogence from it - its shit to read Darren =0A= _=0A= Bing=99 brings you maps=2C menus=2C and reviews organized in one place. = Try it now.=0A= http://www.bing.com/search?q=3Drestaurantsform=3DMLOGENpubl=3DWLHMTAGcre= a=3DTEXT_MLOGEN_Core_tagline_local_1x1=
Re: FVWM: starting up applications
2009/9/17 Darren Upsolla abovefrombe...@hotmail.com: From: abovefrombe...@hotmail.com To: jai...@math.boisestate.edu CC: des...@verizon.net; fvwm@fvwm.org Subject: Re: FVWM: starting up applications Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 01:00:59 + what do i do to see that happen? contact the author? get him to submit patches or something else? this is really important for first time readers any chance we could come to an agreement on this? do i have to do any work - if so, what? So is something like the following patch attached what you meant? To be honest, I consider the patch to add bloat over any useful explanation. Plus, since you don't say *which* bits from my original post you consider worthy of inclusion in the manpage, it makes my job a lot harder. Bear in mind also, what was in that post you linked to was information not relevant to the manpage, and offered solutions to a specific example the original poster was having, and that I felt needed a lot of explanation. I wish though you hadn't brought this up -- I feel as though I am needing to justify myself for no good reason. Anyway, see the limited patch attached. I personally don't like it, but if it means others do, I will commit it. Note also I have *NO* idea about the proper XML formatting my patch uses -- I was guessing based on other examples. I hate the docbook XML stuff, FWIW -- it makes writing these things a pain in the arse. I will be issuing an email out about a transition for FVWM 2.6 to something else I have in mind, in due course -- just not yet. Either way, what we have just can't continue. -- Thomas Adam Index: doc/fvwm/initialization.xml === RCS file: /home/cvs/fvwm/fvwm/doc/fvwm/initialization.xml,v retrieving revision 1.5 diff -u -r1.5 initialization.xml --- doc/fvwm/initialization.xml 31 Jul 2007 09:30:15 - 1.5 +++ doc/fvwm/initialization.xml 21 Sep 2009 21:25:22 - @@ -9,8 +9,25 @@ paraDuring initialization, fvwm searches for a configuration file which describes key and button bindings, and many other -things. The format of these files is described later. Fvwm first -searches for configuration files using the command/para +things. This file is:/para + +programlisting +fvwmref cmd=Read/ filename$FVWM_DATADIR/configFvwmDefaults/filename +/programlisting + +paraThis file is responsible for also providing function definitions such +as:/para + +simplelist +memberWindowListFunc/member +memberEWMHActivateWindowFunc/member +memberUrgencyFunc/member +/simplelist + +paraIt should be noted though that this file should never be edited. This +what the personal fvwm2rc file is for./para + +paraFvwm first searches for configuration files using the command/para programlisting fvwmref cmd=Read/ filenameconfig/filename @@ -109,6 +126,11 @@ command (described later) to start up modules, xterms, or whatever you'd like to have started by fvwm./para +paraNote that emphasis remap='B'InitFunction/emphasis is considered +deprecated and will be removed in the future. See below for ways of +emulating emphasis remap='B'InitFunction/emphasis using +emphasis remap='B'StartFunction/emphasis instead./para + paraFvwm has also a special exit function: emphasis remap='B'ExitFunction/emphasis, executed when exiting or restarting before actually quitting.
Re: FVWM: starting up applications
snt116-w211a67a134f3e79f63ac28d5...@phx.gbl ic8wgez9ye@verizon.net snt116-w28129ec2afe656082b96c1d5...@phx.gbl 4ab188fe.4050...@math.boisestate.edu snt116-w417557fa3c2754053b9d5dd5...@phx.gbl snt116-w20b8ef57410e8f6682c31d5...@phx.gbl 18071eea0909211431p36f9a62g9e47a7abc55b7...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 From: thomas.ada...@gmail.com Date: Mon=2C 21 Sep 2009 22:31:24 +0100 Subject: Re: FVWM: starting up applications To: abovefrombe...@hotmail.com CC: jai...@math.boisestate.edu=3b des...@verizon.net=3b fvwm@fvwm.org So is something like the following patch attached what you meant? To be honest=2C I consider the patch to add bloat over any useful explanation. Plus=2C since you don't say *which* bits from my original post you consider worthy of inclusion in the manpage=2C it makes my job a lot harder. this is like so much worse - now it sucks just like you. please dont update= this man page=2C let someone else do it who knows what theyre talking abou= t Darren =0A= _=0A= Bing=99 brings you maps=2C menus=2C and reviews organized in one place. = Try it now.=0A= http://www.bing.com/search?q=3Drestaurantsform=3DMLOGENpubl=3DWLHMTAGcre= a=3DTEXT_MLOGEN_Core_tagline_local_1x1=
Re: FVWM: starting up applications
From: thomas.ada...@gmail.com Date: Mon=2C 21 Sep 2009 22:31:24 +0100 Subject: Re: FVWM: starting up applications To: abovefrombe...@hotmail.com CC: jai...@math.boisestate.edu=3b des...@verizon.net=3b fvwm@fvwm.org So is something like the following patch attached what you meant? To be honest=2C I consider the patch to add bloat over any useful explanation. Plus=2C since you don't say *which* bits from my original post you consider worthy of inclusion in the manpage=2C it makes my job a lot harder. this is like so much worse - now it sucks just like you. please dont update= this man page=2C let someone else do it who knows what theyre talking abou= t Darren Please refrain from such infantile remarks. The man is trying to be helpful, and frankly, you're not.
Re: FVWM: starting up applications
388798.76838...@web32903.mail.mud.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon=2C 21 Sep 2009 15:59:22 -0700 From: ppu...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: FVWM: starting up applications To: fvwm@fvwm.org From: thomas.ada...@gmail.com Date: Mon=3D2C 21 Sep 2009 22:31:24 +0100 Subject: Re: FVWM: starting up applications To: abovefrombe...@hotmail.com CC: jai...@math.boisestate.edu=3d3b des...@verizon.net=3d3b fvwm@fvwm.org So is something like the following patch attached what you meant? To be honest=3D2C I consider the patch to add bloat over any useful explanation. Plus=3D2C since you don't say *which* bits from my original post you consider worthy of inclusion in the manpage=3D2C it makes my job a lot harder. this is like so much worse - now it sucks just like you. please dont update=3D this man page=3D2C let someone else do it who knows what theyre talking abou=3D t Darren Please refrain from such infantile remarks. The man is trying to be helpf= ul=2C and frankly=2C you're not. i am trying - it would be nice to see that intire initilization section rew= orded - now this patch makes it suck donkey i cant read it - get confusing = with restartfunc and startfunc - thomas cant do it - to technical - someone= else will have to do it - you should leave thomas_adam - waste of time i can try and rewrite it - all of it Darren =0A= _=0A= Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=AE.=0A= http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tut= orial_QuickAdd_062009=
Re: FVWM: starting up applications
On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 23:26:43 +, Darren Upsolla abovefrombe...@hotmail.com wrote: 388798.76838...@web32903.mail.mud.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon=2C 21 Sep 2009 15:59:22 -0700 From: ppu...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: FVWM: starting up applications To: fvwm@fvwm.org From: thomas.ada...@gmail.com Date: Mon=3D2C 21 Sep 2009 22:31:24 +0100 Subject: Re: FVWM: starting up applications To: abovefrombe...@hotmail.com CC: jai...@math.boisestate.edu=3d3b des...@verizon.net=3d3b fvwm@fvwm.org So is something like the following patch attached what you meant? To be honest=3D2C I consider the patch to add bloat over any useful explanation. Plus=3D2C since you don't say *which* bits from my original post you consider worthy of inclusion in the manpage=3D2C it makes my job a lot harder. this is like so much worse - now it sucks just like you. please dont update=3D this man page=3D2C let someone else do it who knows what theyre talking abou=3D t Darren Please refrain from such infantile remarks. The man is trying to be helpf= ul=2C and frankly=2C you're not. i am trying - it would be nice to see that intire initilization section rew= orded - now this patch makes it suck donkey i cant read it - get confusing = with restartfunc and startfunc - thomas cant do it - to technical - someone= else will have to do it - you should leave thomas_adam - waste of time No, it's not too technical, it's *fvwm*, in case you missed it. Your you suck argument against someone who's trying to help you is not even proper of a child. i can try and rewrite it - all of it I doubt it, counting on the fact that you can't write about something that in your own words you can't read. But good luck nonetheless with both the patch, and with getting it applied upstream after you came here insulting people. --- @list, something just rang a bell in my head, this guy is the same one that came some days ago spreading FUD about Thomas Adam being ill[1], which was both untrue and of a extremely bad taste, so just ignore him. He's just making noise for who knows what reason. Just forget he exists. [1] http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.fvwm/5732 -- Jesús Guerrero
FVWM: starting up applications
hi all how best is it to start applications? do i use xsession or initfunction? or doesnt it matter? thanks - Darren _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/
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Darren Upsolla wrote: hi Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 17:38:21 -0300 Subject: Re: FVWM: starting up applications From: joqu...@gmail.com To: abovefrombe...@hotmail.com init sorry what does this mean? Darren The response was to use the 'initfunction' as your requested. Though it is better to put all startup commands into a single function. This function is called the StartFunction DestroyFunc StartFunction AddToFunc StartFunction + I Action + I Action + I Test (Init) Action + I Test (Restart) Action StartFunction is ran after fvwm starts up and reads though your config. It will run every time fvwm is started. Some things like FvwmModules will need to be started every time while others you may only want to run on the initial start up or on a restart. The Test () option says to only run that action under particular conditions. With this you can customize any number of fvwm Actions to run at start up and separate them into various test conditions. i.e. Screensavers, wallpaper settings only need to be ran once, while FvwmModules will need to be run each time you restart. jaimos
Re: FVWM: starting up applications
From: jai...@math.boisestate.edu StartFunction is ran after fvwm starts up and reads though your config. It will run every time fvwm is started. Some things like FvwmModules will need to be started every time while others you may only want to run on the initial start up or on a restart. The Test () option says to only ok - where do i find more information about this? is it in the manpage or somewhere else? i thought i had read about it last week on this list but i think my mind plays tricks - sorry for the question Darren _ Ready for Fall shows? Use Bing to find helpful ratings and reviews on digital tv's. http://www.bing.com/shopping/search?q=digital+tv'sform=MSHNCBpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MSHNCB_Vertical_Shopping_DigitalTVs_1x1
Re: FVWM: starting up applications
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 23:07:31 +, Darren Upsolla abovefrombe...@hotmail.com wrote: From: jai...@math.boisestate.edu StartFunction is ran after fvwm starts up and reads though your config. It will run every time fvwm is started. Some things like FvwmModules will need to be started every time while others you may only want to run on the initial start up or on a restart. The Test () option says to only ok - where do i find more information about this? is it in the manpage or somewhere else? i thought i had read about it last week on this list but i think my mind plays tricks - sorry for the question Search for StartFunction in the fvwm man page and you'll eventually find all the info you seek. I think the section is called INITILIZATION or something similar. But a search should suffice anyway. -- Jesús Guerrero
Re: FVWM: starting up applications
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 02:03:59 +0200 From: i92gu...@terra.es Search for StartFunction in the fvwm man page and you'll eventually find all the info you seek. I think the section is called INITILIZATION or something similar. But a search should suffice anyway. i found what i was looking for: http://www.mail-archive.com/f...@lists.math.uh.edu/msg16494.html i have some questions: 1. i assume this text is official? i can't understand all of it. - if it is official can i link to it from my website? 2. i want to always start modules in startfunction - but why is fvwmbanner special? 3, i am to confused by the text in http://www.mail-archive.com/f...@lists.math.uh.edu/msg16494.html - can it be simplified? thanks! Darren _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/
Re: FVWM: starting up applications
Darren Upsolla abovefrombe...@hotmail.com writes: From: jai...@math.boisestate.edu StartFunction is ran after fvwm starts up and reads though your config. It will run every time fvwm is started. Some things like FvwmModules will need to be started every time while others you may only want to run on the initial start up or on a restart. The Test () option says to only ok - where do i find more information about this? is it in the manpage or somewhere else? i thought i had read about it last week on this list but i think my mind plays tricks - sorry for the question The Fvwm Manpage describes this well. That's the official documentation. Look here: http://fvwm.org/documentation/manpages/unstable/fvwm.php Section 9, Initialization. Generally you should use InitFunction to start applications: DestroyFunc InitFunction AddToFunc InitFunction + I Exec exec xsetroot -solid cyan + I Exec exec xterm + I Exec exec firefox
Re: FVWM: starting up applications
From: des...@verizon.net Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 20:33:29 -0400 Generally you should use InitFunction to start applications: DestroyFunc InitFunction AddToFunc InitFunction + I Exec exec xsetroot -solid cyan + I Exec exec xterm + I Exec exec firefox oh - but that post says: *INITFUNCTION IS CALLED ONCE -- AT INIT TIME WHEN FVWM FIRST STARTS. STARTFUNCTION IS CALLED AT INIT AND RESTART.* So you can see now that you only need one function for your purposes, as you can add checks to StartFunction to tell it to do one thing if FVWM is initialising, and another if it's not (i.e., presumably at restart). maybe thats why i am confused lol! why is this not in the manpage then? Darren _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/
Re: FVWM: starting up applications
Darren Upsolla wrote: From: des...@verizon.net Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 20:33:29 -0400 Generally you should use InitFunction to start applications: DestroyFunc InitFunction AddToFunc InitFunction + I Exec exec xsetroot -solid cyan + I Exec exec xterm + I Exec exec firefox oh - but that post says: *INITFUNCTION IS CALLED ONCE -- AT INIT TIME WHEN FVWM FIRST STARTS. STARTFUNCTION IS CALLED AT INIT AND RESTART.* So you can see now that you only need one function for your purposes, as you can add checks to StartFunction to tell it to do one thing if FVWM is initialising, and another if it's not (i.e., presumably at restart). maybe thats why i am confused lol! why is this not in the manpage then? Yes InitFunction, StartFunction, RestartFunction were the older way of doing it. Now due to Test () this can all be done in a single function StartFunction. I think it makes things a bit easier to locate and keep track of. I am unsure if the InitFunction and RestartFunction will be depreciated in the future. The trend I see is to use only a StartFunction and Test (). This is in the man page: You do not need to define all special functions if some are empty. Also note, all these special functions may be emulated now using StartFunction and ExitFunction, like this: DestroyFunc StartFunction AddToFunc StartFunction + I Test (Init) Module FvwmBanner + I Module FvwmPager * * + I Test (Restart) Beep DestroyFunc ExitFunction AddToFunc ExitFunction + I Test (Quit) Echo Bye-bye + I KillModule MyBuggyModule + I Test (ToRestart) Beep jaimos
Re: FVWM: starting up applications
From: thomas.ada...@gmail.com If you want. Official has no real meaning, other than the person who wrote it knew what they were talking about. So much so, the person in question forgot to mention the use of fvwmstyle but that's likely moot for all the reasons the post makes. isnt this really arrogant? i am not amused Darren _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/
Re: FVWM: starting up applications
From: jai...@math.boisestate.edu To: abovefrombe...@hotmail.com CC: des...@verizon.net; fvwm@fvwm.org; abovefrombe...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: FVWM: starting up applications Yes InitFunction, StartFunction, RestartFunction were the older way of doing it. Now due to Test () this can all be done in a single function StartFunction. I think it makes things a bit easier to locate and keep track of. I am unsure if the InitFunction and RestartFunction will be depreciated in the future. The trend I see is to use only a StartFunction and Test (). this needs a lot more explanation in the manpage - so much that i would like to see everything from http://www.mail-archive.com/f...@lists.math.uh.edu/msg16494.html put in the man page what do i do to see that happen? contact the author? get him to submit patches or something else? this is really important for first time readers Darren _ Ready for Fall shows? Use Bing to find helpful ratings and reviews on digital tv's. http://www.bing.com/shopping/search?q=digital+tv'sform=MSHNCBpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MSHNCB_Vertical_Shopping_DigitalTVs_1x1
