Last thought
Just one more thing. I'd have no problem in investing my time in discussing in autoconf or automake mailing lists about the changes in man pages paths. But, seriously, what kind of communication can I stablish, for example, with someone that blindly uses right, wrong or new like adjectives for standard? Or with who think standards are about personal taste? Sorry but I won't. I'll start to value my time.
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I'd have no problem in investing my time in discussing in autoconf or automake mailing lists about the changes in man pages paths. But, seriously, what kind of communication can I stablish, for example, with someone that blindly uses right, wrong or new like adjectives for standard? Or with who think standards are about personal taste? The filesystem hierarchy standard is no matter of personal taste of any of the fvwm developers. Please read the current standard and you'll see that man pages (along with other architecture independent data files) have to be installed under .../share. Fvwm does not choose the installation path of its man pages; the default path is set by the version of autoconf used. If you build fvwm with an old version of autoconf, the man pages will be installed in .../man. With a new version they are installed in .../share/man. The documentation in INSTALL.fvwm reflects this. Insofar, any discussion about the man page installation path is off topic on the fvwm mailing lists. I have no opinion on which path is better, but if you do, and you think the path needs to be changend, then the right people to discuss that with are the autotools developers and/or the people maintaining the FHS. If there are mistakes in the documentation or sources of fvwm, I'm happy to take a look and fix anything that needs fixing. But I kindly ask you to stop pointing fingers at people, thus consuming time that could be spent to make fvwm better. Ciao Dominik ^_^ ^_^ -- Dominik Vogt
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On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 02:19:11PM +0200, Dominik Vogt wrote: I'd have no problem in investing my time in discussing in autoconf or automake mailing lists about the changes in man pages paths. But, seriously, what kind of communication can I stablish, for example, with someone that blindly uses right, wrong or new like adjectives for standard? Or with who think standards are about personal taste? The filesystem hierarchy standard is no matter of personal taste of any of the fvwm developers. Please read the current standard and you'll see that man pages (along with other architecture independent data files) have to be installed under .../share. Fvwm does not choose the installation path of its man pages; the default path is set by the version of autoconf used. If you build fvwm with an old version of autoconf, the man pages will be installed in .../man. With a new version they are installed in .../share/man. The documentation in INSTALL.fvwm reflects this. Insofar, any discussion about the man page installation path is off topic on the fvwm mailing lists. I have no opinion on which path is better, but if you do, and you think the path needs to be changend, then the right people to discuss that with are the autotools developers and/or the people maintaining the FHS. If there are mistakes in the documentation or sources of fvwm, I'm happy to take a look and fix anything that needs fixing. But I kindly ask you to stop pointing fingers at people, thus consuming time that could be spent to make fvwm better. All what you explain here is intrinsic in what I said, and it was clear from my first post. Are you explaining it to yourself? Don't you have time to read?, don't answer, don't you have time to maintain FVWM?, don't do it, nobody will blame you. The only off topic comment I did here was about the personal mail I've sent you, and *you* forced me to talk here about it. So I kindly ask you to stop blaming others when its all your fault. Again read what others post and think about what you write to not contradict yourself all the time. Nobody should hear in this lists about how you organize your time, your work, your personal email. That's off topic. And remember, two bugs were fixed thanks to your work but principally thanks to *I* reported them and I was very patient with your lack of time to read more than one line per paragraph. Was INSTALL.fvwm bad explained too? Walter PD. You complained about other user here Cc you. Well you've Cc me a lot of times and I didn't complain. Stop considering yourself a victim.
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On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 05:23:59PM +0200, Walter A. Iglesias wrote: don't answer, don't you have time to maintain FVWM?, don't do it, nobody will blame you. Afraid to disagree with you, but actually I've spent more time writing and improving fvwm than you can imagine. Fvwm is by far more my baby than of the original author, Rob Nation, or anybody else; chances are that half of the code you use every day when you use fvwm has been written by me. So, please do not tell me whether I am able to maintain fvwm or not. (My apologies for this showing off to Mikhael, Olivier, Dan, Thomas and all the other people who have contributed to fvwm over the years - there's no intention to belittle your work.) And remember, two bugs were fixed thanks to your work but principally thanks to *I* reported them I do remember that and would prefer to keep any further discussions on a purely technical level: Was INSTALL.fvwm bad explained too? I have still not understood what you think should be changed on top of the changes that are already in CVS. PD. You complained about other user here Cc you. Well you've Cc me a lot of times and I didn't complain. Stop considering yourself a victim. Actually, the fvwm mailing lists have certain unwritten rules that people who have been around here for a while know. One of these rules is to use electronic mail properly. This involves: * Honouring other people's mail headers (reply-to etc.), * not top posting replies, * stripping quoted portions of unnecessary context. Personally, I try to be polite, patient with writers who I find hard to understand, and to stay on topic. While I do not really care if people I hardly know get personal with me or other here whom I know well and with whom I have worked a lot in the past, discussions that focus on pointing fingers eventually do not help to improve fvwm and absorb time that could be spent elsewhere. There has only been very little moderation necessary on the fvwm lists, and the fvwm maintainers would like to keep it that way. This requires that new posters to the list stick to these rules, which are meant for keeping the necessary effort to maintain fvwm as low as possible. I hope you understand this (more or less) subtle hint about the possible consequences of future postings, and kindly ask you again to limit future postings to technical discussions or questions and refrain from getting personal. Ciao Dominik ^_^ ^_^ -- Dominik Vogt
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In case there is something on topic (i.e. fvwm) in that message, please please put it in a separate message without any personal comments. Ciao Dominik ^_^ ^_^ -- Dominik Vogt
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Walter A. Iglesias e...@roquesor.com [2014-08-13 22:31:01 +0200]: I will remove myself from this lists right now, Excellent decision Mr. Iglesias. Hope you'll stick by it. Dominik: Thanks again for maintaining and improving fvwm. I suspect I speak for most here in saying that your efforts are greatly appreciated, and hope that experiences like the one you've just been through won't deter you from continuing. Regards, Glenn
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Hey, time to take this to personal email. Doesn't belong here. This list is public, anything you say here will follow you around. I'm sure you both have good intentions.
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On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 03:53:54PM -0500, des...@verizon.net wrote: Hey, time to take this to personal email. Doesn't belong here. This list is public, anything you say here will follow you around. I'm sure you both have good intentions. Of course you're right, Dan. Walter, if anything I have written has hurt or antagonised you, I want to apologise for that. It is not my intention to embarass you or make you feel bad. Ciao Dominik ^_^ ^_^ -- Dominik Vogt
