Re: gEDA-user: Pressing = key causes PCB to freeze for a few minutes
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 03:04:18PM -0400, Vanessa Ezekowitz wrote:
On Mon, 16 May 2011 23:29:46 +0200
Kai-Martin Knaak k...@lilalaser.de wrote:
Peter Clifton wrote:
the two '=' or remove the whole part 'a={= Key=}', what will
remove this key-binding for this menu-item.
Yes, I can recommend removing this key binding.
I do in my local builds for the same reason, plus the fact that
sometimes the optimiser makes mistakes and causes shorts on my boards!
For me, the Auto-Optimize step (in particular the Unjaggy and De-bumpify
optimizations) actually removes some hand-placed vias - particularly those
which I've placed up against an SMT pad as part of hand-routing the majority
of the board. I only noticed this today, but I can't be sure when that
behavior started.
As for keys, I would like to see a default hotkey added to turn Orthogonal
Moves on/off (I toggle this setting quite frequently while cleaning up after
the autorouter).
Ditto. What about + which is a little cross after all?
I'm aware it's Shift-= on american keyboards, which is currently
defined as auto-optimize. But I am of the strong opinion that
operations which may perform a large number of changes to the
board should not have keyboard accelerators, so that you can
not trigger them my mistake.
I'm aware that they can be undone, but even then...
Regards,
Gabriel
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Re: gEDA-user: Pressing = key causes PCB to freeze for a few minutes
On Wed, 18 May 2011 13:54:15 +0200
Gabriel Paubert paub...@iram.es wrote:
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 03:04:18PM -0400, Vanessa Ezekowitz wrote:
On Mon, 16 May 2011 23:29:46 +0200
Kai-Martin Knaak k...@lilalaser.de wrote:
Peter Clifton wrote:
the two '=' or remove the whole part 'a={= Key=}', what will
remove this key-binding for this menu-item.
Yes, I can recommend removing this key binding.
I do in my local builds for the same reason, plus the fact that
sometimes the optimiser makes mistakes and causes shorts on my boards!
For me, the Auto-Optimize step (in particular the Unjaggy and De-bumpify
optimizations) actually removes some hand-placed vias - particularly
those which I've placed up against an SMT pad as part of hand-routing the
majority of the board. I only noticed this today, but I can't be sure
when that behavior started.
As for keys, I would like to see a default hotkey added to turn
Orthogonal Moves on/off (I toggle this setting quite frequently while
cleaning up after the autorouter).
Ditto. What about + which is a little cross after all?
I'm aware it's Shift-= on american keyboards, which is currently
defined as auto-optimize.
Fittingly unshifted = would also work, since the two lines could imply
parallel, as in move the object parallel to the path the mouse takes.
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Re: gEDA-user: Pressing = key causes PCB to freeze for a few minutes
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 03:09:10PM -0400, Vanessa Ezekowitz wrote:
On Wed, 18 May 2011 13:54:15 +0200
Gabriel Paubert paub...@iram.es wrote:
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 03:04:18PM -0400, Vanessa Ezekowitz wrote:
On Mon, 16 May 2011 23:29:46 +0200
Kai-Martin Knaak k...@lilalaser.de wrote:
Peter Clifton wrote:
the two '=' or remove the whole part 'a={= Key=}', what will
remove this key-binding for this menu-item.
Yes, I can recommend removing this key binding.
I do in my local builds for the same reason, plus the fact that
sometimes the optimiser makes mistakes and causes shorts on my boards!
For me, the Auto-Optimize step (in particular the Unjaggy and De-bumpify
optimizations) actually removes some hand-placed vias - particularly
those which I've placed up against an SMT pad as part of hand-routing the
majority of the board. I only noticed this today, but I can't be sure
when that behavior started.
As for keys, I would like to see a default hotkey added to turn
Orthogonal Moves on/off (I toggle this setting quite frequently while
cleaning up after the autorouter).
Ditto. What about + which is a little cross after all?
I'm aware it's Shift-= on american keyboards, which is currently
defined as auto-optimize.
Fittingly unshifted = would also work, since the two lines could imply
parallel, as in move the object parallel to the path the mouse takes.
I don't really care. Well, on a Spanish keyboard, + does not need
any modifier but = is actually Shift-0.
As I've already said, the only things that worries me is potentially
pervasive and time-consuming operations triggered by single keystrokes.
Especially since I'm sometimes forced to use different keyboards,
American of French (and occasionally other ones, but it's unlikely
that I use PCB on these machines) so I may easily hit the wrong key.
Regards,
Gabriel
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Re: gEDA-user: Pressing = key causes PCB to freeze for a few minutes
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:29:46PM +0200, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote:
Peter Clifton wrote:
the two '=' or remove the whole part 'a={= Key=}', what will
remove this key-binding for this menu-item.
Yes, I can recommend removing this key binding.
I do in my local builds for the same reason, plus the fact that
sometimes the optimiser makes mistakes and causes shorts on my boards!
Another candidate is the short cut to Auto-Optimize. This is supposed
to be Shift+=. However, on German keyboards you have to type [shift-0]
to get the = character. What would I type to get Shift+= ?
Same on Spanish keyboards.
By the way, my pcb log window is always littered with lots
of 'Key not tied to an action message because the | key
(short cut for thin draw) is a third level key on Spanish keyboards.
I'm sure other languages use even more modifiers, but could
someone apply the following patch:
diff --git a/src/hid/lesstif/menu.c b/src/hid/lesstif/menu.c
index 297768b..8de2952 100644
--- a/src/hid/lesstif/menu.c
+++ b/src/hid/lesstif/menu.c
@@ -1140,6 +1140,7 @@ lesstif_key_event (XKeyEvent * e)
case XK_Super_R:
case XK_Hyper_L:
case XK_Hyper_R:
+case XK_ISO_Level3_Shift:
return 1;
}
Gabriel
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Re: gEDA-user: Pressing = key causes PCB to freeze for a few minutes
On Tue, 2011-05-17 at 10:11 +0200, Gabriel Paubert wrote: I'm sure other languages use even more modifiers, but could someone apply the following patch: Committed, thanks! I made the equivalent change to the GTK HID whilst I was at it, and wrote a commit message for you. I look forward to reviewing any more patches you have for gEDA and PCB. commit ccb2e68847996fb65fac0041be6b2b91501e62cb Author: Gabriel Paubert paub...@iram.es Date: Tue May 17 11:44:01 2011 +0100 Lesstif + GTK HIDs: Ignore ISO Level3 shift modifier key This key press is found on some international keyboards (e.g. Spanish). If we don't ignore it, PCB complains about the key not being tied to an action when it is pressed. From the committer, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk ... Thanks to Gabriel for reporting this and providing the patch for Lesstif. I have updated the patch to make the equivalent change to the GTK HID as well. Signed-off-By: Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk -- Peter Clifton Electrical Engineering Division, Engineering Department, University of Cambridge, 9, JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3 0FA Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!) Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask for me) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user
Re: gEDA-user: Pressing = key causes PCB to freeze for a few minutes
On Mon, 16 May 2011 23:29:46 +0200
Kai-Martin Knaak k...@lilalaser.de wrote:
Peter Clifton wrote:
the two '=' or remove the whole part 'a={= Key=}', what will
remove this key-binding for this menu-item.
Yes, I can recommend removing this key binding.
I do in my local builds for the same reason, plus the fact that
sometimes the optimiser makes mistakes and causes shorts on my boards!
For me, the Auto-Optimize step (in particular the Unjaggy and De-bumpify
optimizations) actually removes some hand-placed vias - particularly those
which I've placed up against an SMT pad as part of hand-routing the majority of
the board. I only noticed this today, but I can't be sure when that behavior
started.
As for keys, I would like to see a default hotkey added to turn Orthogonal
Moves on/off (I toggle this setting quite frequently while cleaning up after
the autorouter).
--
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things aren't, and when you learn that, life improves.
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Re: gEDA-user: Pressing = key causes PCB to freeze for a few minutes
Peter Clifton wrote:
the two '=' or remove the whole part 'a={= Key=}', what will
remove this key-binding for this menu-item.
Yes, I can recommend removing this key binding.
I do in my local builds for the same reason, plus the fact that
sometimes the optimiser makes mistakes and causes shorts on my boards!
Another candidate is the short cut to Auto-Optimize. This is supposed
to be Shift+=. However, on German keyboards you have to type [shift-0]
to get the = character. What would I type to get Shift+= ?
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Re: gEDA-user: Pressing = key causes PCB to freeze for a few minutes
In the default-konfiguration, the '='-Key is for 'Simple optimization'
from the 'Connects' menu. I can imagine, that this needs some time, but
I have not tested it now.
You can disable/modify this by editing the file 'gpcb-menu.res'. There
is a line
{Simple optimization djopt(simple) a={= Key=}}
. The Values in the braces after 'a=' are the key-bindings for the
action 'djopt(auto)'. Just the second value (Key=) is relevant, if
you are using the gtk-gui. If you use the lesstiff-gui, there is a
special file 'pcb-menu.res'. You can set anoter (unused) key instead of
the two '=' or remove the whole part 'a={= Key=}', what will
remove this key-binding for this menu-item.
Kind regards,
Felix
Am 14.05.2011 16:25, schrieb Thomas Oldbury:
I have not yet figured out what the = key does in PCB, but whenever
it gets pressed, the program freezes for a few minutes. Unfortunately,
on my laptop keyboard it is very close to the delete key, so this leads
to a lot of frustration. How do I turn it off?
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Re: gEDA-user: Pressing = key causes PCB to freeze for a few minutes
On Sat, 2011-05-14 at 16:36 +0200, Felix Ruoff wrote:
In the default-konfiguration, the '='-Key is for 'Simple optimization'
from the 'Connects' menu. I can imagine, that this needs some time, but
I have not tested it now.
You can disable/modify this by editing the file 'gpcb-menu.res'. There
is a line
{Simple optimization djopt(simple) a={= Key=}}
. The Values in the braces after 'a=' are the key-bindings for the
action 'djopt(auto)'. Just the second value (Key=) is relevant, if
you are using the gtk-gui. If you use the lesstiff-gui, there is a
special file 'pcb-menu.res'. You can set anoter (unused) key instead of
the two '=' or remove the whole part 'a={= Key=}', what will
remove this key-binding for this menu-item.
Yes, I can recommend removing this key binding.
I do in my local builds for the same reason, plus the fact that
sometimes the optimiser makes mistakes and causes shorts on my boards!
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Engineering Department,
University of Cambridge,
9, JJ Thomson Avenue,
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CB3 0FA
Tel: +44 (0)7729 980173 - (No signal in the lab!)
Tel: +44 (0)1223 748328 - (Shared lab phone, ask for me)
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