Re: [Geeqie-devel] Github term of service incompatible to geeqie license (GPL)
On 17/03/01, John Stoffel wrote: > > "Klaus" == Klaus Ethgenwrites: > > Klaus> Today I found that github changed their term of service effectively for > Klaus> today.[0] > > Klaus> The new term of service seems to be a bit problematic and disallows to > Klaus> have geeqie on github. Or better said, geeqies license (GPL) is > Klaus> incompatible to github term of service. > > Klaus> I am no native English speaker and also no lawyer, but there is > Klaus> a good analysis[1] describing the problems. > > No, there is one person's analysis of the problem, and who doesn't > talk about the issue in a legal manner. When someone throws around > phrases like "it's now illegal" when a site changes it's terms of > service, then the stupdity is flowing. > > Klaus> Please have a look and comment. I think, the only way is to > Klaus> remove geeqie completely from github. And please don't push any > Klaus> content to github (the original geeqie repository is ok) unless > Klaus> the issue is cleared. It seems that until we continue _using_ > Klaus> github, we agree with the new term of service, what we might > Klaus> not be able to do. > > I don't know why you think these terms change anything? It's just a > way for github to cover themselves from lawsuits if someone takes and > posts on github stuff they don't own. > > It's not suddenly making GPL software illegal on there at all. Its > like the terms and service agreements that lots and lots of other > sites have in place as well. > > Please do not freak out over this, do not stop people from pushing > stuff to github, and certainly do not apply the flaky reasoning of > just one non-lawyer's opinion to this project. > > If they don't like the terms of service, then fine, they can move > their project(s) elsewhere. Big deal. > > Basically, all github is saying that when you push stuff up there, > it's publiclly available and that you give them the right to make it > visible to others. It's *your* job to make sure you have the right to > do so, not theirs. I just asked Red Hat Legal (some of our projects are hosted on github) to have a quick look at this and they don't perceive a conflict between the github ToU and the GPL. > John slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Geeqie-devel mailing list Geeqie-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geeqie-devel
Re: [Geeqie-devel] Github term of service incompatible to geeqie license (GPL)
> On Wed, Mar 01, 2017 at 04:29:00PM -0500, John Stoffel wrote: >> "Klaus" == Klaus Ethgenwrites: > >Klaus> Today I found that github changed their term of service effectively for >Klaus> today.[0] > >Klaus> The new term of service seems to be a bit problematic and disallows to >Klaus> have geeqie on github. Or better said, geeqies license (GPL) is >Klaus> incompatible to github term of service. > >Klaus> I am no native English speaker and also no lawyer, but there is >Klaus> a good analysis[1] describing the problems. > >No, there is one person's analysis of the problem, and who doesn't >talk about the issue in a legal manner. When someone throws around >phrases like "it's now illegal" when a site changes it's terms of >service, then the stupdity is flowing. > >Klaus> Please have a look and comment. I think, the only way is to >Klaus> remove geeqie completely from github. And please don't push any >Klaus> content to github (the original geeqie repository is ok) unless >Klaus> the issue is cleared. It seems that until we continue _using_ >Klaus> github, we agree with the new term of service, what we might >Klaus> not be able to do. > >I don't know why you think these terms change anything? It's just a >way for github to cover themselves from lawsuits if someone takes and >posts on github stuff they don't own. > >It's not suddenly making GPL software illegal on there at all. Its >like the terms and service agreements that lots and lots of other >sites have in place as well. > >Please do not freak out over this, do not stop people from pushing >stuff to github, and certainly do not apply the flaky reasoning of >just one non-lawyer's opinion to this project. > >If they don't like the terms of service, then fine, they can move >their project(s) elsewhere. Big deal. > >Basically, all github is saying that when you push stuff up there, >it's publiclly available and that you give them the right to make it >visible to others. It's *your* job to make sure you have the right to >do so, not theirs. > >John I'm no lawyer nor have I read the changes, but continueing a service after a change in legal terms is emplaced, could be construed as the customer agreeing to the new terms of service. This is likely why Klaus (likely wisely) stated not to make any further commits to GitHub until he receives clarification. If I'm not mistaken, Klaus is the big guy (or the party responsible), so things will likely go as he wishes. I frequently encounter poor legal advice, and many people or corporations think they can do something when they really cannot do something legally. And, a lot of people like to utilize fear tactics in an attempt to deter some apparent undesirable activity, again illegal in some or many States or Countries. I do not think it has been so long that, many have not forgotten the horrid tactics sf.net enstated not so long ago! This is one of the reasons why I would use a private server or private shell account for publicizing a software project, versus using something like github, etc... -- Roger http://rogerx.freeshell.org/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ Geeqie-devel mailing list Geeqie-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geeqie-devel
Re: [Geeqie-devel] Github term of service incompatible to geeqie license (GPL)
> "Klaus" == Klaus Ethgenwrites: Klaus> Today I found that github changed their term of service effectively for Klaus> today.[0] Klaus> The new term of service seems to be a bit problematic and disallows to Klaus> have geeqie on github. Or better said, geeqies license (GPL) is Klaus> incompatible to github term of service. Klaus> I am no native English speaker and also no lawyer, but there is Klaus> a good analysis[1] describing the problems. No, there is one person's analysis of the problem, and who doesn't talk about the issue in a legal manner. When someone throws around phrases like "it's now illegal" when a site changes it's terms of service, then the stupdity is flowing. Klaus> Please have a look and comment. I think, the only way is to Klaus> remove geeqie completely from github. And please don't push any Klaus> content to github (the original geeqie repository is ok) unless Klaus> the issue is cleared. It seems that until we continue _using_ Klaus> github, we agree with the new term of service, what we might Klaus> not be able to do. I don't know why you think these terms change anything? It's just a way for github to cover themselves from lawsuits if someone takes and posts on github stuff they don't own. It's not suddenly making GPL software illegal on there at all. Its like the terms and service agreements that lots and lots of other sites have in place as well. Please do not freak out over this, do not stop people from pushing stuff to github, and certainly do not apply the flaky reasoning of just one non-lawyer's opinion to this project. If they don't like the terms of service, then fine, they can move their project(s) elsewhere. Big deal. Basically, all github is saying that when you push stuff up there, it's publiclly available and that you give them the right to make it visible to others. It's *your* job to make sure you have the right to do so, not theirs. John -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Geeqie-devel mailing list Geeqie-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/geeqie-devel