Re: Question for mentors: crediting the original project?
2009/12/1 Scott Wilson scott.bradley.wil...@gmail.com: A question for mentors: As you know Wookie was originally developed within an EU-funded project; this has now finished and we're getting ready for the project review. I've been asked if: On http://incubator.apache.org/wookie/ is it possible to add somewhere that the original development was funded by the European Commission through the TENCompetence Project? I've taken a look at other incubator sites and can't see any similar statements so I'm assuming the answer would most likely be no, however it would be useful to have a pointer to the policy to show the project reviewers. I see no reason why this should not be allowed. I've cc'd this to gene...@incubator but suggest you operate under lazy consensus on this one. We can remove it if anyone objects. However, please add the link as a nofollow to avoid upsetting any sponsors (who only have nofollow links). I am aware of at least one situation in which having this on the Wookie site will be an advantage, that is providing evidence that the EC is happy to see code come to the ASF. One reason why others don't credit the original source of the code is that it might give an impression that company X owns the code and thus impacts the impartiality of the project. However, given that, in this case, we are talking about public funding in the EU I don't see that as an issue here. I would suggest that as the project matures this credit should move to a thanks page or similar. Ross Thanks! S -- Ross Gardler OSS Watch - supporting open source in education and research http://www.oss-watch.ac.uk - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Question for mentors: crediting the original project?
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Ross Gardler ross.gard...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/12/1 Scott Wilson scott.bradley.wil...@gmail.com: ... On http://incubator.apache.org/wookie/ is it possible to add somewhere that the original development was funded by the European Commission through the TENCompetence Project?... ... I see no reason why this should not be allowed. I've cc'd this to gene...@incubator but suggest you operate under lazy consensus on this one. We can remove it if anyone objects. However, please add the link as a nofollow to avoid upsetting any sponsors (who only have nofollow links) I agree with Ross, http://sling.apache.org/site/index.html is an example (though out of incubation now) where credit is given to the company which created the original code base (see history bit), with a nofollow link as Ross suggests. As long as you stick to facts, and use a nofollow link, I think that's perfectly fine. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Question for mentors: crediting the original project?
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Ross Gardler ross.gard...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/12/1 Scott Wilson scott.bradley.wil...@gmail.com: A question for mentors: As you know Wookie was originally developed within an EU-funded project; this has now finished and we're getting ready for the project review. I've been asked if: On http://incubator.apache.org/wookie/ is it possible to add somewhere that the original development was funded by the European Commission through the TENCompetence Project? I've taken a look at other incubator sites and can't see any similar statements so I'm assuming the answer would most likely be no, however it would be useful to have a pointer to the policy to show the project reviewers. I see no reason why this should not be allowed. I'd love to see it included. The structure of academia tends to reward scholarly paper-publishing but doesn't really know what to do with software and data work. European projects also tend towards producing deliverables that are mostly likely to be giant PDFs rather than running re-usable code. So when we do finally get useful outputs from European research funding that enrich the open standards / open source scene, please let's not be shy in celebrating that! Maybe others will follow the great example, and start thinking more seriously about opensource life-after-funding for their codebases, rather than taking a throw the code over the wall and hope for the best approach. Millions of euros get spend every year on these EU research projects, that's a lot of lines of code that could be going into the common pool... cheers, Dan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Question for mentors: crediting the original project?
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Ross Gardler ross.gard...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/12/1 Scott Wilson scott.bradley.wil...@gmail.com: On http://incubator.apache.org/wookie/ is it possible to add somewhere that the original development was funded by the European Commission through the TENCompetence Project? I see no reason why this should not be allowed. Agreed! If the project feels its appropriate to do something like that, it's quite ok. One particularly relevant example I can think of is HTTPD crediting NCSA [1], so we have in fact a lng tradition of doing this kind of thing :) please add the link as a nofollow to avoid upsetting any sponsors (who only have nofollow links). Yep. Other kinds of foreign branding like an external project logo are probably also best avoided. One reason why others don't credit the original source of the code is that it might give an impression that company X owns the code and thus impacts the impartiality of the project. However, given that, in this case, we are talking about public funding in the EU I don't see that as an issue here. Hmm, I would actually not be that worried either if it was a company credit. As long as such statements are (a) true and (b) they don't interfere with sponsoring efforts. I think what's most important is to stick to facts and provide relevant information to users and (potential) contributors. I think a project's origin is relevant (though it probably becomes less relevant over time). cheers, Leo [1] http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/httpd/httpd/trunk/ABOUT_APACHE - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
[IP CLEARANCE] User Admin contribution to Felix
Adam Wojtuniak contributed an implementation of the OSGi User Admin specification to Felix. This message is a request for IP clearance verification. The pertinent information is here: http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/felix-user-admin.html Thanks. - richard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [IP CLEARANCE] User Admin contribution to Felix
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Richard S. Hall he...@ungoverned.org wrote: Adam Wojtuniak contributed an implementation of the OSGi User Admin specification to Felix. This message is a request for IP clearance verification. The pertinent information is here: http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/felix-user-admin.html took a quick look and everything seems in order but approval is lazy if there any problem i've missed hopefully someone will jump in... - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [IP CLEARANCE] User Admin contribution to Felix
Thanks. - richard On 12/1/09 15:27, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Richard S. Hallhe...@ungoverned.org wrote: Adam Wojtuniak contributed an implementation of the OSGi User Admin specification to Felix. This message is a request for IP clearance verification. The pertinent information is here: http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/felix-user-admin.html took a quick look and everything seems in order but approval is lazy if there any problem i've missed hopefully someone will jump in... - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
