Re: I think individuals need SGAs
Hey hey, I definitely understand the reasoning. Hmm. I think the way to look at it is, it depends, but do whatever is needed to allow apache liberal rights to sublicense all the IP to it's users. The second way to look at it is that logic and legal stuff are not always as closely connected as you might think...so I think this really is something to run by legal-discuss / whoever designed the process (Roy?), people like me just regurgitate what they learned before :) cheerio, Leo On Dec 1, 2010, at 10:15 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: I've been thinking about Leo's email of the other day, and I think that my edit to the mentor page is not right and some guidance I've delivered to podlings is not right. I'd like to float my logic here and see how it gets shot at. As Leo pointed out, the CCLA has a specific section for granting rights to pre-existing IP. The ICLA does not. It has no schedule. It talks about contributions. When we import pre-existing code for a podling, it seems to me that it is dubious to characterize this as an act of 'contribution' by the historical authors, even if they are eagerly anticipating further contributions to the code in the incubator. Therefore, I think that I should edit my edit, and send new advice, to the effect that all historical contributors need to be covered by SGAs. Those could be in the form of SGA schedules or in the form of individual SGAs. --benson - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: I think individuals need SGAs
I don't even know which mailing list gets commit notifies of infra web site edits. On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Craig L Russell craig.russ...@oracle.com wrote: Hi Benson, I didn't see your edit. I might not be subscribed to the right list (yet). You are right. A pre-existing code base is not covered by an ICLA. A grant is needed. Craig On Dec 1, 2010, at 2:15 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: I've been thinking about Leo's email of the other day, and I think that my edit to the mentor page is not right and some guidance I've delivered to podlings is not right. I'd like to float my logic here and see how it gets shot at. As Leo pointed out, the CCLA has a specific section for granting rights to pre-existing IP. The ICLA does not. It has no schedule. It talks about contributions. When we import pre-existing code for a podling, it seems to me that it is dubious to characterize this as an act of 'contribution' by the historical authors, even if they are eagerly anticipating further contributions to the code in the incubator. Therefore, I think that I should edit my edit, and send new advice, to the effect that all historical contributors need to be covered by SGAs. Those could be in the form of SGA schedules or in the form of individual SGAs. --benson - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org Craig L Russell Architect, Oracle http://db.apache.org/jdo 408 276-5638 mailto:craig.russ...@oracle.com P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: I think individuals need SGAs
To my pleasant surprise, Sam replied on legal-discuss that an icla is just fine -- though it's better if the person signing it actually reads it first. I plan to make some more tweaks to the web site to places that seem to say the opposite. On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 6:52 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: I don't even know which mailing list gets commit notifies of infra web site edits. On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Craig L Russell craig.russ...@oracle.com wrote: Hi Benson, I didn't see your edit. I might not be subscribed to the right list (yet). You are right. A pre-existing code base is not covered by an ICLA. A grant is needed. Craig On Dec 1, 2010, at 2:15 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: I've been thinking about Leo's email of the other day, and I think that my edit to the mentor page is not right and some guidance I've delivered to podlings is not right. I'd like to float my logic here and see how it gets shot at. As Leo pointed out, the CCLA has a specific section for granting rights to pre-existing IP. The ICLA does not. It has no schedule. It talks about contributions. When we import pre-existing code for a podling, it seems to me that it is dubious to characterize this as an act of 'contribution' by the historical authors, even if they are eagerly anticipating further contributions to the code in the incubator. Therefore, I think that I should edit my edit, and send new advice, to the effect that all historical contributors need to be covered by SGAs. Those could be in the form of SGA schedules or in the form of individual SGAs. --benson - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org Craig L Russell Architect, Oracle http://db.apache.org/jdo 408 276-5638 mailto:craig.russ...@oracle.com P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
I think individuals need SGAs
I've been thinking about Leo's email of the other day, and I think that my edit to the mentor page is not right and some guidance I've delivered to podlings is not right. I'd like to float my logic here and see how it gets shot at. As Leo pointed out, the CCLA has a specific section for granting rights to pre-existing IP. The ICLA does not. It has no schedule. It talks about contributions. When we import pre-existing code for a podling, it seems to me that it is dubious to characterize this as an act of 'contribution' by the historical authors, even if they are eagerly anticipating further contributions to the code in the incubator. Therefore, I think that I should edit my edit, and send new advice, to the effect that all historical contributors need to be covered by SGAs. Those could be in the form of SGA schedules or in the form of individual SGAs. --benson - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: I think individuals need SGAs
Hi Benson, I didn't see your edit. I might not be subscribed to the right list (yet). You are right. A pre-existing code base is not covered by an ICLA. A grant is needed. Craig On Dec 1, 2010, at 2:15 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: I've been thinking about Leo's email of the other day, and I think that my edit to the mentor page is not right and some guidance I've delivered to podlings is not right. I'd like to float my logic here and see how it gets shot at. As Leo pointed out, the CCLA has a specific section for granting rights to pre-existing IP. The ICLA does not. It has no schedule. It talks about contributions. When we import pre-existing code for a podling, it seems to me that it is dubious to characterize this as an act of 'contribution' by the historical authors, even if they are eagerly anticipating further contributions to the code in the incubator. Therefore, I think that I should edit my edit, and send new advice, to the effect that all historical contributors need to be covered by SGAs. Those could be in the form of SGA schedules or in the form of individual SGAs. --benson - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org Craig L Russell Architect, Oracle http://db.apache.org/jdo 408 276-5638 mailto:craig.russ...@oracle.com P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
