Re: Dropping JDK 1.2 support for Xerces-J (and possibly JDK 1.3? 1.4? in the future)
On 11.11.2008 14:52:52 sebb wrote: On 11/11/2008, Shane Curcuru [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 to dropping 1.2 support. +1 to dropping 1.2 +0 to dropping 1.3 I think 1.4 support should be kept if possible for a while yet. Agreed. Xerces is such a basic library and so many companies are still stuck with Java 1.4 even though it's past EOL. Please - be sure that the main website clearly lists the last release we think that Xerces worked on JDK version x.y. Xerces is ubiquitous, and is used directly or within other products virtually everywhere. While we don't need to spend developer time worrying about ancient JDK versions, we should make it clear where people who have to stay on legacy systems can get an appropriate release. +1 I'd love it if we ensured that we feature a prominent link and host the download for the zip/targz plus it's key file for the last known good Xerces with JDK x.y as we drop support for earlier releases. +1 Thanks for bringing the item up! - Shane Jeremias Maerki - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dropping JDK 1.2 support for Xerces-J (and possibly JDK 1.3? 1.4? in the future)
On 11/11/2008, Shane Curcuru [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 to dropping 1.2 support. +1 to dropping 1.2 +0 to dropping 1.3 I think 1.4 support should be kept if possible for a while yet. Please - be sure that the main website clearly lists the last release we think that Xerces worked on JDK version x.y. Xerces is ubiquitous, and is used directly or within other products virtually everywhere. While we don't need to spend developer time worrying about ancient JDK versions, we should make it clear where people who have to stay on legacy systems can get an appropriate release. +1 I'd love it if we ensured that we feature a prominent link and host the download for the zip/targz plus it's key file for the last known good Xerces with JDK x.y as we drop support for earlier releases. +1 Thanks for bringing the item up! - Shane - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Dropping JDK 1.2 support for Xerces-J (and possibly JDK 1.3? 1.4? in the future)
a new infusion of activity and interest. you betcha, most of us would be up in arms! I personally am stuck on 1.4.2 for the foreseeable future. So +1 to drop 1.2/3 support, but let's not get too drastic please. __ Franck Schmidlin Corporate Integration Consultant Northgate Public Services Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nathan Beyer Sent: 11 November 2008 02:25 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; general@xml.apache.org Subject: Re: Dropping JDK 1.2 support for Xerces-J (and possibly JDK 1.3? 1.4? in the future) +1 I'd suggest just jumping to Java 5 library, source and target compilation. I think this would give the project a new infusion of activity and interest. -Nathan On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 9:51 PM, Michael Glavassevich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, (including general@xml.apache.org on the cc list to hopefully reach a wider audience) I would like to propose that we officially drop support for JDK 1.2 in the next release of Xerces-J. Though the documentation [1] states that Xerces supports JDK 1.2 it has been years since we have built or tested binaries with this level. All of the recent releases were built and tested with JDK 1.3. It was brought to my attention that the code [2] since at least 2006 has had a dependency on APIs introduced in JDK 1.3. So we inadvertently moved on awhile ago. It seems this has not been a practical issue for most users since we've received no posts on these lists about it and received no other bug reports. It's not clear that there would be much benefit in restoring JDK 1.2 compatibility at this point. It's been out of service for years and looking around Apache it seems most projects run on JDK 1.4 or higher with some of the stragglers [3][4] below that moving up soon. If you have serious concerns regarding Xerces abandoning JDK 1.2 support please send an email to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list, specifying why you can't use a higher level of JDK and what parser features you are using. While on the subject I wonder what the community would think of us eventually dropping support for JDK 1.3 and possibly 1.4. There were features introduced in JDK 1.4 and 5 which Xerces could benefit from (e.g. NIO, java.lang.CharSequence, exception chaining, java.lang.StringBuilder, java.util.concurrent.*, etc...). That's not something I'm proposing today (or thinking of proposing for awhile) but would like to hear feedback from users (please send to [EMAIL PROTECTED]) who may still need new versions of Xerces which run on JDK 1.3 and 1.4. It would also be nice hear from folks who've long since moved on to Java 5 and beyond and would like to see Xerces take advantage of JDK 1.4 and 5 features. Thanks. [1] http://xerces.apache.org/xerces2-j/faq-general.html#faq-11 [2] http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/XERCESJ-1297 [3] http://marc.info/?l=ant-devm=122596549809889w=2 [4] http://marc.info/?l=fop-userm=11922600564w=2 Michael Glavassevich XML Parser Development IBM Toronto Lab E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Scanned for viruses by BlackSpider MailControl This email is sent on behalf of Northgate Information Solutions Limited and its associated companies (Northgate) and is strictly confidential and intended solely for the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient of this email you must: (i) not disclose, copy or distribute its contents to any other person nor use its contents in any way or you may be acting unlawfully; (ii) contact Northgate immediately on +44 (0)1442 232424 quoting the name of the sender and the addressee then delete it from your system. Northgate has taken reasonable precautions to ensure that no viruses are contained in this email, but does not accept any responsibility once this email has been transmitted. You should scan attachments (if any) for viruses. Northgate Information Solutions Limited. Registered in England no. 06442582 - Northgate Information Solutions UK Limited. Registered in England no. 968498 - NorthgateArinso UK Limited. Registered in England no. 1587537 - Moorepay Limited. Registered in England no. 891686 - Northgate Land Property Solutions Limited - Registered in England no. 2149536 Registered Office: Peoplebuilding 2, Peoplebuilding Estate, Maylands Avenue, Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire HP2 4NW Northgate Managed Services Limited (NI). Registered in Northern Ireland no. NI032979 - LearnServe Limited (NI). Registered in Northern Ireland no. NI043825 Registered Office: Hillview House, 61 Church Road, Newtownabbey, Co. Antrim, BT36 7LQ
Re: Dropping JDK 1.2 support for Xerces-J (and possibly JDK 1.3? 1.4? in the future)
+1 I'd suggest just jumping to Java 5 library, source and target compilation. I think this would give the project a new infusion of activity and interest. -Nathan On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 9:51 PM, Michael Glavassevich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, (including general@xml.apache.org on the cc list to hopefully reach a wider audience) I would like to propose that we officially drop support for JDK 1.2 in the next release of Xerces-J. Though the documentation [1] states that Xerces supports JDK 1.2 it has been years since we have built or tested binaries with this level. All of the recent releases were built and tested with JDK 1.3. It was brought to my attention that the code [2] since at least 2006 has had a dependency on APIs introduced in JDK 1.3. So we inadvertently moved on awhile ago. It seems this has not been a practical issue for most users since we've received no posts on these lists about it and received no other bug reports. It's not clear that there would be much benefit in restoring JDK 1.2 compatibility at this point. It's been out of service for years and looking around Apache it seems most projects run on JDK 1.4 or higher with some of the stragglers [3][4] below that moving up soon. If you have serious concerns regarding Xerces abandoning JDK 1.2 support please send an email to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list, specifying why you can't use a higher level of JDK and what parser features you are using. While on the subject I wonder what the community would think of us eventually dropping support for JDK 1.3 and possibly 1.4. There were features introduced in JDK 1.4 and 5 which Xerces could benefit from (e.g. NIO, java.lang.CharSequence, exception chaining, java.lang.StringBuilder, java.util.concurrent.*, etc...). That's not something I'm proposing today (or thinking of proposing for awhile) but would like to hear feedback from users (please send to [EMAIL PROTECTED]) who may still need new versions of Xerces which run on JDK 1.3 and 1.4. It would also be nice hear from folks who've long since moved on to Java 5 and beyond and would like to see Xerces take advantage of JDK 1.4 and 5 features. Thanks. [1] http://xerces.apache.org/xerces2-j/faq-general.html#faq-11 [2] http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/XERCESJ-1297 [3] http://marc.info/?l=ant-devm=122596549809889w=2 [4] http://marc.info/?l=fop-userm=11922600564w=2 Michael Glavassevich XML Parser Development IBM Toronto Lab E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Dropping JDK 1.2 support for Xerces-J (and possibly JDK 1.3? 1.4? in the future)
Any idea how this poll was done? A form you could submit on a website? Jeremias, seeing your name as the last editor on the Wiki I'm guessing you had something to do with it. Was this poll easy to set up? Thanks. Michael Glavassevich XML Parser Development IBM Toronto Lab E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ludger Buenger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/11/2008 09:34:08 AM: Before Advancing beyond 1.3 I?d suggest to maybe initiate a usage poll analogous to http://wiki.apache.org/xmlgraphics/UserPollOct2007 to get an overview which JDK version is still in use and required by Xerces-J users. That would give the community a foundation to base a good decision upon. From: Michael Glavassevich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 4:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: general@xml.apache.org Subject: Dropping JDK 1.2 support for Xerces-J (and possibly JDK 1. 3? 1.4? in the future) Hi all, (including general@xml.apache.org on the cc list to hopefully reach a wider audience) I would like to propose that we officially drop support for JDK 1.2 in the next release of Xerces-J. Though the documentation [1] states that Xerces supports JDK 1.2 it has been years since we have built or tested binaries with this level. All of the recent releases were built and tested with JDK 1.3. It was brought to my attention that the code [2] since at least 2006 has had a dependency on APIs introduced in JDK 1.3. So we inadvertently moved on awhile ago. It seems this has not been a practical issue for most users since we've received no posts on these lists about it and received no other bug reports. It's not clear that there would be much benefit in restoring JDK 1.2 compatibility at this point. It's been out of service for years and looking around Apache it seems most projects run on JDK 1.4 or higher with some of the stragglers [3][4] below that moving up soon. If you have serious concerns regarding Xerces abandoning JDK 1.2 support please send an email to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list, specifying why you can't use a higher level of JDK and what parser features you are using. While on the subject I wonder what the community would think of us eventually dropping support for JDK 1.3 and possibly 1.4. There were features introduced in JDK 1.4 and 5 which Xerces could benefit from (e.g. NIO, java.lang.CharSequence, exception chaining, java.lang. StringBuilder, java.util.concurrent.*, etc...). That's not something I'm proposing today (or thinking of proposing for awhile) but would like to hear feedback from users (please send to [EMAIL PROTECTED] apache.org) who may still need new versions of Xerces which run on JDK 1.3 and 1.4. It would also be nice hear from folks who've long since moved on to Java 5 and beyond and would like to see Xerces take advantage of JDK 1.4 and 5 features. Thanks. [1] http://xerces.apache.org/xerces2-j/faq-general.html#faq-11 [2] http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/XERCESJ-1297 [3] http://marc.info/?l=ant-devm=122596549809889w=2 [4] http://marc.info/?l=fop-userm=11922600564w=2 Michael Glavassevich XML Parser Development IBM Toronto Lab E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. Click here to report this message as spam.
Re: Dropping JDK 1.2 support for Xerces-J (and possibly JDK 1.3? 1.4? in the future)
Shane Curcuru [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/11/2008 08:08:50 AM: +1 to dropping 1.2 support. Please - be sure that the main website clearly lists the last release we think that Xerces worked on JDK version x.y. Xerces is ubiquitous, and is used directly or within other products virtually everywhere. While we don't need to spend developer time worrying about ancient JDK versions, we should make it clear where people who have to stay on legacy systems can get an appropriate release. There's already an FAQ [1] and release notes [2] which say where we moved from JDK 1.1 to 1.2. We'll just add to it. I'd love it if we ensured that we feature a prominent link and host the download for the zip/targz plus it's key file for the last known good Xerces with JDK x.y as we drop support for earlier releases. If someone wants to pick up an old version they will always be in the archives [3]. Thanks for bringing the item up! - Shane Thanks. [1] http://xerces.apache.org/xerces2-j/faq-general.html#faq-11 [2] http://xerces.apache.org/xerces2-j/releases.html [3] http://archive.apache.org/dist/xml/xerces-j/ Michael Glavassevich XML Parser Development IBM Toronto Lab E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dropping JDK 1.2 support for Xerces-J (and possibly JDK 1.3? 1.4? in the future)
Yes, Michael, I was the driving force behind that. I wanted to make sure that we've made an informed decision before dropping support for one JDK or another. Developers obviously like the new stuff but users are sometimes stuck with old stuff. It often takes them a bit longer to migrate although they usually skip a generation when they migrate. Anyway. First, we talked about the questions we wanted to ask: http://markmail.org/message/y6h6lfzcupbvuww3 Then I set up the survey with one of the online survey service providers. I chose one that was free. http://markmail.org/message/xz72bqpkqy6dg5l5 At the end of the survey, I downloaded the data and visualized selected items with OpenOffice. All put together that resulted in the Wiki page mentioned by Ludger Buenger: http://wiki.apache.org/xmlgraphics/UserPollOct2007 I believe this survey, though took some time and effort to do, was worth it and it wasn't difficult to do. And I'll push for one again when we want to drop Java 1.4 support within the XML Graphics project. I expect it won't take too long until we do another as Java 1.4 has reached EOL last month. It's going to be interesting to see how the survey results change over time. But given the small data base, don't assume the results are 100% representative. HTH On 12.11.2008 06:42:33 Michael Glavassevich wrote: Any idea how this poll was done? A form you could submit on a website? Jeremias, seeing your name as the last editor on the Wiki I'm guessing you had something to do with it. Was this poll easy to set up? Thanks. Michael Glavassevich XML Parser Development IBM Toronto Lab E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ludger Buenger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/11/2008 09:34:08 AM: Before Advancing beyond 1.3 I?d suggest to maybe initiate a usage poll analogous to http://wiki.apache.org/xmlgraphics/UserPollOct2007 to get an overview which JDK version is still in use and required by Xerces-J users. That would give the community a foundation to base a good decision upon. From: Michael Glavassevich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 4:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: general@xml.apache.org Subject: Dropping JDK 1.2 support for Xerces-J (and possibly JDK 1. 3? 1.4? in the future) Hi all, (including general@xml.apache.org on the cc list to hopefully reach a wider audience) I would like to propose that we officially drop support for JDK 1.2 in the next release of Xerces-J. Though the documentation [1] states that Xerces supports JDK 1.2 it has been years since we have built or tested binaries with this level. All of the recent releases were built and tested with JDK 1.3. It was brought to my attention that the code [2] since at least 2006 has had a dependency on APIs introduced in JDK 1.3. So we inadvertently moved on awhile ago. It seems this has not been a practical issue for most users since we've received no posts on these lists about it and received no other bug reports. It's not clear that there would be much benefit in restoring JDK 1.2 compatibility at this point. It's been out of service for years and looking around Apache it seems most projects run on JDK 1.4 or higher with some of the stragglers [3][4] below that moving up soon. If you have serious concerns regarding Xerces abandoning JDK 1.2 support please send an email to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list, specifying why you can't use a higher level of JDK and what parser features you are using. While on the subject I wonder what the community would think of us eventually dropping support for JDK 1.3 and possibly 1.4. There were features introduced in JDK 1.4 and 5 which Xerces could benefit from (e.g. NIO, java.lang.CharSequence, exception chaining, java.lang. StringBuilder, java.util.concurrent.*, etc...). That's not something I'm proposing today (or thinking of proposing for awhile) but would like to hear feedback from users (please send to [EMAIL PROTECTED] apache.org) who may still need new versions of Xerces which run on JDK 1.3 and 1.4. It would also be nice hear from folks who've long since moved on to Java 5 and beyond and would like to see Xerces take advantage of JDK 1.4 and 5 features. Thanks. [1] http://xerces.apache.org/xerces2-j/faq-general.html#faq-11 [2] http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/XERCESJ-1297 [3] http://marc.info/?l=ant-devm=122596549809889w=2 [4] http://marc.info/?l=fop-userm=11922600564w=2 Michael Glavassevich XML Parser Development IBM Toronto Lab E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. Click here to report this message as spam. Jeremias Maerki - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
