Re: [gentoo-dev] include files question
Michał Górny wrote: Putting another includedir is even worse kind of band-aid. By using the expression band-aid I wasn't commenting on the virtues of having the include file in /usr/include. The expression rip off the band-aid is an idiom in english which refers to minimizing the duration of unpleasantness by making a change quickly and with determination. If we're to put them in a directory, I'd rather require 'more complete' includes, like: #include openrc/rc.h Consider installs into non-/usr prefixes. It's true that this may not be so much of a concern since openrc is mostly Gentoo-specific though. Otherwise, you're just fighting conflicts in the scope of a single application. There are two benefits of mandating use of pkg-config; one is that openrc will just worktm on odd platforms such as OS X package managers where the install prefix isn't included in the platform compiler's include search path, the other is that the API can be versioned trivially, allowing different versions to be installed at the same time. //Peter pgpohyTAaZB4b.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-dev] sys-kernel/tuxonice-sources up for grabs
I don't have time for it for a long time (since I switched to official suspend time ago and moved back to gentoo-sources then), updated patches are periodically generated and put at: http://tuxonice.nigelcunningham.com.au/downloads/all/?C=MO=D Feel free to get it if you want
[gentoo-dev] Re: sys-kernel/tuxonice-sources up for grabs
El sáb, 21-09-2013 a las 14:42 +0200, Pacho Ramos escribió: I don't have time for it for a long time (since I switched to official suspend time ago and moved back to gentoo-sources then), updated patches are periodically generated and put at: http://tuxonice.nigelcunningham.com.au/downloads/all/?C=MO=D Feel free to get it if you want It goes with tuxonice-userui
[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: FEATURES=binchecks strip for plain file packages e.g. latex, perl, python
On 21/09/2013 10:49, Duncan wrote: In addition to what the others have said, FEATURES= ?? AFAIK, FEATURES is PM-implementation-specific and not part of PMS. It's not something ebuilds/eclasses should be messing with or care about at all, as it's PM- private-implementation domain, not ebuild domain. Presumably he is talking about FEATURES in the context of adding them to RESTRICT, which is discussed in PMS. (Not that it really matters anyway - there are plenty of non-PMS variables used in ebuilds. That's fine, they control portage features and will be ignored by other package managers.)
[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: FEATURES=binchecks strip for plain file packages e.g. latex, perl, python
Michael Palimaka posted on Sat, 21 Sep 2013 23:27:07 +1000 as excerpted: On 21/09/2013 10:49, Duncan wrote: In addition to what the others have said, FEATURES= ?? AFAIK, FEATURES is PM-implementation-specific and not part of PMS. It's not something ebuilds/eclasses should be messing with or care about at all, as it's PM-private-implementation domain, not ebuild domain. Presumably he is talking about FEATURES in the context of adding them to RESTRICT, which is discussed in PMS. That /does/ make a bit more sense, and I see others presumed it as well, but it was entirely missing from the OP, which really mixed me up, even after seeing discussion of RESTRICT in the replies, since that seemed to come from nowhere. (Not that it really matters anyway - there are plenty of non-PMS variables used in ebuilds. That's fine, they control portage features and will be ignored by other package managers.) True. I guess it's nothing to worry about as long as the ebuild isn't depending on the implementation-specific var for anything vital to the package, only optional bits. Thanks. Clearer now. =:^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman
Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: RESTRICT=binchecks strip for plain file packages e.g. latex, perl, python
On 20/09/13 19:58, Justin (jlec) wrote: Hi, what is your opinion to set FEATURES=binchecks strip Of course this is wrong, I meant RESTRICT=binchecks strip justin signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: FEATURES=binchecks strip for plain file packages e.g. latex, perl, python
Dnia 2013-09-20, o godz. 20:51:46 Paweł Hajdan, Jr. phajdan...@gentoo.org napisał(a): On 9/20/13 12:24 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: As Michał said. Please consider updating the documentation - ebuild(5): RESTRICT = [strip,mirror,fetch,userpriv] This should be a space delimited list of portage features to restrict. You may use conditional syntax to vary restrictions as seen above in DEPEND. binchecks Disable all QA checks for binaries. This should ONLY be used in packages for which binary checks make no sense (linux-headers and kernel-sources, for example, can safely be skipped since they have no binaries). If the binary checks need to be skipped for other reasons (such as proprietary binaries), see the QA CONTROL VARIABLES section for more specific exemptions. This is currently used at least by sys-apps/man-pages, as well as packages in x11-themes and sys-kernel. This is just another of portage's deviations from the standard. PMS doesn't list RESTRICT=binchecks, and I suppose this makes using it in the tree at least a little wrong. -- Best regards, Michał Górny signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: FEATURES=binchecks strip for plain file packages e.g. latex, perl, python
On 22/09/2013 00:26, Michał Górny wrote: This is just another of portage's deviations from the standard. PMS doesn't list RESTRICT=binchecks, and I suppose this makes using it in the tree at least a little wrong. It does however say: Package managers may recognise other tokens, but ebuilds may not rely upon them being supported. Since it's just another variable that doesn't actually affect the ebuild or other package managers, it's no problem.
[gentoo-dev] News item: GRUB2 migration
GRUB2 will be stabilized soon (bug 455544). Here's a draft of a news item to hopefully prevent any confusion. Please review. Title: GRUB2 migration Author: Mike Gilbert flop...@gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain Posted: 2013-09-22 Revision: 1 News-Item-Format: 1.0 Display-If-Installed: sys-boot/grub-1 A newer version of GRUB (sys-boot/grub) is now stable. There are now two available slots: sys-boot/grub:0 - Known as GRUB Legacy sys-boot/grub:2 - Known as GRUB2 GRUB2 uses a different configuration format, and requires a manual migration before your system will actually use it. A guide [1] is available on the gentoo.org website. If you would prefer not to migrate at this time, you do not need to take any action: GRUB Legacy will remain functional in /boot. To prevent any associated files (documentation) from being removed, add sys-boot/grub:0 to your world file. For example: emerge --noreplace sys-boot/grub:0 References: [1] http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/grub2-migration.xml signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] News item: GRUB2 migration
On 9/21/13 8:42 AM, Mike Gilbert wrote: GRUB2 will be stabilized soon (bug 455544). Here's a draft of a news item to hopefully prevent any confusion. Please review. Great news! Thanks for working on this, and it basically works (chainloaded for now, see below) on my x86 system. Some general remarks: 1. When using chainloaded GRUB2, neither Linux kernel boot messages nor openrc boot messages would show up. Also, at shutdown openrc shutdown messages were also not visible. Everything is fine if I boot the kernel using GRUB legacy. This is inside VMWare Fusion. 2. At least /etc/default/grub refers to /boot/grub2, as opposed to /boot/grub from Gentoo docs. GRUB2 uses a different configuration format, and requires a manual migration before your system will actually use it. A guide [1] is available on the gentoo.org website. [...] [1] http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/grub2-migration.xml The grub postinst message links to http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GRUB2_Quick_Start instead - and that wiki page has a link to http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/grub2-migration.xml . IMHO it would be elegant for the news item to match the postinst message: either make the grub2-migration.xml point to wiki as possibly containing more information (and switch grub postint to point to grub2-migration.xml), or make both link to the wiki. Paweł signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] News item: GRUB2 migration
On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. phajdan...@gentoo.org wrote: On 9/21/13 8:42 AM, Mike Gilbert wrote: GRUB2 will be stabilized soon (bug 455544). Here's a draft of a news item to hopefully prevent any confusion. Please review. Great news! Thanks for working on this, and it basically works (chainloaded for now, see below) on my x86 system. Some general remarks: 1. When using chainloaded GRUB2, neither Linux kernel boot messages nor openrc boot messages would show up. Also, at shutdown openrc shutdown messages were also not visible. Everything is fine if I boot the kernel using GRUB legacy. This is inside VMWare Fusion. Hmm... I don't really have a clue here. I will try to reproduce it in qemu. 2. At least /etc/default/grub refers to /boot/grub2, as opposed to /boot/grub from Gentoo docs. Thanks for catching that; fixed in the tree. GRUB2 uses a different configuration format, and requires a manual migration before your system will actually use it. A guide [1] is available on the gentoo.org website. [...] [1] http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/grub2-migration.xml The grub postinst message links to http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GRUB2_Quick_Start instead - and that wiki page has a link to http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/grub2-migration.xml . IMHO it would be elegant for the news item to match the postinst message: either make the grub2-migration.xml point to wiki as possibly containing more information (and switch grub postint to point to grub2-migration.xml), or make both link to the wiki. How about linking to both pages from the news item? For the postinst message, I could link to the migration guide if sys-boot/grub:0 is installed. If grub:0 is not installed, there should be no need to migrate.
Re: [gentoo-dev] News item: GRUB2 migration
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/21/2013 11:42 AM, Mike Gilbert wrote: GRUB2 will be stabilized soon (bug 455544). Here's a draft of a news item to hopefully prevent any confusion. Please review. The FAQ / Known Problems / Gotchas section of the guide is still empty. Maybe fill this in before pushing this stable? My contribution: About half of our servers failed at the install phase with the error (copy/pasted from Google, might not be exact), /usr/sbin/grub2-install: warn: Your embedding area is unusually small. core.img won't fit in it. /usr/sbin/grub2-install: warn: Embedding is not possible. GRUB can only be installed in this setup by using blocklists. However, blocklists are UNRELIABLE and their use is discouraged. /usr/sbin/grub2-install: error: will not proceed with blocklists. To paraphrase, there ain't enough space before your first partition. Generally this means that you are screwed, and that you'll need to boot something like the gparted liveCD and resize all of your partitions. It would be nice to list some options on the page. If the user is lucky (thankfully, I was), his swap partition is the first partition on the disk. In that case, he can simply `swapoff` the thing, mangle it with fdisk, and then `mkswap foo` `swapon foo`. The fdisk commands were, 1. 'x' - extra functionality (experts only) 2. 'b' - move beginning of data in a partition 3. '1' - Choose the first partition 4. '4096' - New beginning of data (1-8000369, default 63) Something smaller might work, but 4096 definitely does. Better play it safe in case grub3 wants to play HD video. For what it's worth, the following wiki pages both provided useful information (at the time, the g.o page didn't exist): * https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GRUB2_Quick_Start * https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GRUB2 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.20 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSPePgAAoJEBxJck0inpOiHBQQAKE81cZQeerYmu6FoFPrlPOv 78D5Bb2/mPj4camzaSwLk3xa1fkZIrjhgdCEqu3aeFKcpkktTUGikixcsODRcaRg 2sTTht44ZqqozBSE5t9gjKUg8zUJr9tu21vXT3JttEZut+FZfx1A/aGLIXyvUf/I GsCsRhwvmb8pp8iHgQ7NUNbFTVwE4+MxCdm3LDWrkvWy959Sj5t+f/HlpVrQRVPc 3jSw/OL1zug+4lK08VelfjDKkDJPbAfberJ3/oWv37D8x8PX93meHs7ZQAG9H15c 98+j6DaGddL8wQxX5ia/dSplfegGg+FBHXoYtkDRR+W6vq2fkpqD+dli9ugH51No 38HyySEpLvOnHrw4AbTSjoJ2HRYqI3TlX/+LpvUrLuxdvXP4c5vN+aNuIW+dbLAB 2PxtGEFh2OVFLaCR4oRje9eaC/cl6mq+csz6o7h0Vm5z5mbPplVrZf59RWJtyQZO sdtiHSmRCu4eTDQkTrbBe4ZsI7oZZulViiZRXKH/aF5SE45sPct15CHx9k9+WUql pfAtAlk7v1QLBqBngoD29lrEsKuh5oDnrtFeAkuLzGn+PN8Dx9T4lZy+pY3mBA4P 3JH6pmRV8caIQBBdNNJCWz+F9BZH4fkIo0TYkpNx0tj4DtDHcq/BWSlaPr09RxxZ T8fnJsRz/ybkH4SPDnd7 =Xm1p -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-dev] News item: GRUB2 migration
On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 2:22 PM, Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/21/2013 11:42 AM, Mike Gilbert wrote: GRUB2 will be stabilized soon (bug 455544). Here's a draft of a news item to hopefully prevent any confusion. Please review. The FAQ / Known Problems / Gotchas section of the guide is still empty. Maybe fill this in before pushing this stable? It would probably be better to just link to the GRUB2 article on the wiki. If you could update that with any relevant information, that would be great.
Re: [gentoo-dev] News item: GRUB2 migration
On 09/21/2013 02:18 PM, Mike Gilbert wrote: On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. The grub postinst message links to http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GRUB2_Quick_Start instead - and that wiki page has a link to http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/grub2-migration.xml . IMHO it would be elegant for the news item to match the postinst message: either make the grub2-migration.xml point to wiki as possibly containing more information (and switch grub postint to point to grub2-migration.xml), or make both link to the wiki. How about linking to both pages from the news item? Here's a second draft including that change. Title: GRUB2 stabilization Author: Mike Gilbert flop...@gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain Posted: 2013-09-22 Revision: 1 News-Item-Format: 1.0 Display-If-Installed: sys-boot/grub-1 A newer version of GRUB (sys-boot/grub) is now stable. There are now two available slots: sys-boot/grub:0 - Known as GRUB Legacy sys-boot/grub:2 - Known as GRUB2 GRUB2 uses a different configuration format, and requires a manual migration before your system will actually use it. A guide [1] is available on the gentoo.org website, and the Gentoo wiki [2][3] has additional information. If you would prefer not to migrate at this time, you do not need to take any action: GRUB Legacy will remain functional in /boot. To prevent any associated files (documentation) from being removed, add sys-boot/grub:0 to your world file. For example: emerge --noreplace sys-boot/grub:0 References: [1] http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/grub2-migration.xml [2] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GRUB2_Quick_Start [3] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GRUB2 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: status of OpenRC's public API
All, this is a followup to the original message that started this thread. A case has been made for librc, but not libeinfo. There could be reasons to allow the librc functionality to stay around, but I'm not convinced wrt libeinfo, especially since there are no consumers. Does anyone see a reason we should keep the einfo/eerror/etc c functions in a public API? William signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: status of OpenRC's public API
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 21/09/13 03:06 PM, William Hubbs wrote: All, this is a followup to the original message that started this thread. A case has been made for librc, but not libeinfo. There could be reasons to allow the librc functionality to stay around, but I'm not convinced wrt libeinfo, especially since there are no consumers. Does anyone see a reason we should keep the einfo/eerror/etc c functions in a public API? William IIRC we still don't have an openrc-replacement script in the tree for the /etc/init.d/function.sh symlink to target. Since libeinfo is already public, why not instead of making it private we go the other way -- keep it public, package it out separately in the tree, and make openrc (and others from bug 373219 and elsewhere) depend on it? grobian already has a fork of libeinfo with an independent build system and a functions.sh wrapper; we could leverage that for anything missing from a standalone package in portage. Probably the whole deal could be done in under an hour, and it's already long-proven code since it's what openrc and prefix has been using for years. Out of curiosity, what is the reasoning behind making these libs private? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.20 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlI98aMACgkQ2ugaI38ACPCTcQD9HIqOTlhia/ktPFANAZdJbfEv DqOh7CUCULZw+FqkOpQBAISPbWdsg+flecvnv5OfWGsnLqnYK6GPG4e23KwDyz1e =OCdp -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-dev] News item: GRUB2 migration
On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Mike Gilbert flop...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. phajdan...@gentoo.org wrote: On 9/21/13 8:42 AM, Mike Gilbert wrote: GRUB2 will be stabilized soon (bug 455544). Here's a draft of a news item to hopefully prevent any confusion. Please review. Great news! Thanks for working on this, and it basically works (chainloaded for now, see below) on my x86 system. Some general remarks: 1. When using chainloaded GRUB2, neither Linux kernel boot messages nor openrc boot messages would show up. Also, at shutdown openrc shutdown messages were also not visible. Everything is fine if I boot the kernel using GRUB legacy. This is inside VMWare Fusion. Hmm... I don't really have a clue here. I will try to reproduce it in qemu. I wasn't able to reproduce this in qemu. It is possible that GRUB's graphical terminal driver has some issues with VMWare. However, have a Gentoo box at work that runs GRUB2 on VMWare ESX, and I don't recall having any display issues on the console. But I'm also not chainloading it there.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: sys-kernel/tuxonice-sources up for grabs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/21/2013 08:44 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: El sáb, 21-09-2013 a las 14:42 +0200, Pacho Ramos escribió: I don't have time for it for a long time (since I switched to official suspend time ago and moved back to gentoo-sources then), updated patches are periodically generated and put at: http://tuxonice.nigelcunningham.com.au/downloads/all/?C=MO=D Feel free to get it if you want It goes with tuxonice-userui Is any of this really needed anymore? I suspend/hibernate/resume with gentoo-sources and hardened-sources Does it really make sense to hold on to tuxonice still? - -Zero -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.20 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSPjgiAAoJEKXdFCfdEflK54UQALldtJRXIqg80NQ9RfR8GVQt SK+4j/F8UBbcludvEp2cB+BmTY827njNsB3PdnyYg0TfRAacAH95weXdz8G1zils 2VR85NLYyd+mBkCzF2DVRA3pEFqy5DDezsAzwzjBsqC2TIq2Pu7ihaZKVH4TII/4 8bbjpdVaO/Q07yi8XU62skNNWAB1LPF3o7/4IMF8TxBUhDJnHJy1nDrax05dAKuu 7ufEENq7zC6y/LQhNblwkVbSmCb3Y0Mo4WJsqPXFiIs8KM3pfjGgxttJ9osTT5aJ 2BIvtfOSjq9Bhiwvv6d0YZZ/nKZDB129VaDMWht1273SITiHeLdG7m1/h6/l1aeA 2PUmnyIjKM4URUEX93ZQlMvY+WpRyKmP+womWcXiXRoAHOYLxDHT1dK0VmjDZ6SW wvFGI9foP3w8CBIQ2OC65pgm1n7mNVIYMGzTaPNXNFZyGlkUsDUzZPdOZcKJPLc9 XCb8G8vYYgtjmz17ZLU/2vsRVpanUjlEfrn3i1wvVSF9oD5qOcU7LamBiOxdbtMR UTVusffsoUd1G87hFAcg3P7l2dc3LYdVNUpV+9kz5nBqR6dNRzW7IIuZhp3QhEm1 xO6i2aUko+GnF99SnWt7sgvkDvCbJq/blVRwEEhCOOb6Q7THKi0qAXw+34s0DF4t MPi4jG5lATVAOVuAGrt8 =tZda -END PGP SIGNATURE-
