Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [rfc] Rendering the official Gentoo logo / Blender 2.04, Python 2.2
On 23.02.2015 23:34, Daniel Campbell wrote: Can't the logo be remade in a more recent version of Blender? Assuming you can run two separate Blender instances, it would mostly be copying the poly/vertex values from one to the other. I'm not versed in 3-D but it would surprise me if there wasn't a standard mesh format. There was an attempt to port to a recent version of Blender. When comparing renderings, the result is close, but not 1:1. Please check Mario's reply of 2011 in this very thread (http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/70870). Best, Sebastian
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [rfc] Rendering the official Gentoo logo / Blender 2.04, Python 2.2
Hi! Please excuse bringing up a topic as old as this, again. Only bringing up half, actually. On 05.05.2011 07:36, Sebastian Pipping wrote: On 05/01/2011 06:10 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: Could you bisect Blender to find out why it doesn't work with the new version? I tried a few more versions now. While Blender 2.31a still applies the reflection texture, Blender 2.32 does not anymore. At least on http://download.blender.org/source/ these two appear as consecutive releases. While doing digital cleaning over here I ran into my patches to make ancient Blender compile again for Gentoo logo rendering. I have streamlined those into ebuilds and a dedicated overlay https://github.com/gentoo/blender-gentoo-logo-overlay and filled the void in the Gentoo wiki https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Artwork/Artwork#The_blue_.22g.22_logo with a few words and pointers. The ebuilds are: dev-lang/python/ python-2.2-r8.ebuild media-gfx/blender/ blender-2.26.ebuild blender-2.31a.ebuild So whoever needs to render Blender files from 2003 again at some point should find working ebuilds to do that. Feel free to join keeping them in good installable shape. Thanks and best, Sebastian
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [rfc] Rendering the official Gentoo logo / Blender 2.04, Python 2.2
On 23 February 2015 at 22:11, Sebastian Pipping sp...@gentoo.org wrote: I have streamlined those into ebuilds and a dedicated overlay Thanks! So whoever needs to render Blender files from 2003 again at some point should find working ebuilds to do that. Feel free to join keeping them in good installable shape. Maybe it's time to rethink the logo and get someone to make a more future-proof SVG? :)
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [rfc] Rendering the official Gentoo logo / Blender 2.04, Python 2.2
On 02/23/2015 02:29 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: On 23 February 2015 at 22:11, Sebastian Pipping sp...@gentoo.org mailto:sp...@gentoo.org wrote: I have streamlined those into ebuilds and a dedicated overlay Thanks! So whoever needs to render Blender files from 2003 again at some point should find working ebuilds to do that. Feel free to join keeping them in good installable shape. Maybe it's time to rethink the logo and get someone to make a more future-proof SVG? :) Can't the logo be remade in a more recent version of Blender? Assuming you can run two separate Blender instances, it would mostly be copying the poly/vertex values from one to the other. I'm not versed in 3-D but it would surprise me if there wasn't a standard mesh format.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [rfc] Rendering the official Gentoo logo / Blender 2.04, Python 2.2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/05/11 07:36, Sebastian Pipping wrote: On 05/01/2011 06:10 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: Could you bisect Blender to find out why it doesn't work with the new version? I tried a few more versions now. While Blender 2.31a still applies the reflection texture, Blender 2.32 does not anymore. At least on http://download.blender.org/source/ these two appear as consecutive releases. Both of these seem to run fine with Python 2.4.6, which is still in Gentoo. Without good image diffs, I cannot tell for sure if the rendering has changed since Blender 2.04. I confess I know next to nothing about Blender, but what exactly makes it so hard to port the logo to a recent version? Marijn -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk3CqacACgkQp/VmCx0OL2xFbgCfUGvVbgQGhb+Q7GCpDzxhU0+n OUAAnRuHYdan8aUpXl9qyYo5P0DF/NAb =8s1d -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [rfc] Rendering the official Gentoo logo / Blender 2.04, Python 2.2
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Sebastian Pipping sp...@gentoo.org wrote: On 05/05/2011 03:44 PM, Marijn wrote: I confess I know next to nothing about Blender, but what exactly makes it so hard to port the logo to a recent version? My experience modelling in Blender is zero, so it's hard to tell to right now me. From a few cases of remaking vector art from raster images in Inkscape, I can imagine that it's difficult to get very close in Blender too, if not more. I hope to have a better answer soon. Best, Sebastian This may be a nice opportunity to reach out to the blender community and ask for assistance and/or training. The information from such interaction could easily be documented to form a corpus for use in the future. -- Matthew W. Summers Gentoo Foundation Inc.
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [rfc] Rendering the official Gentoo logo / Blender 2.04, Python 2.2
On 05/01/2011 06:10 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: Could you bisect Blender to find out why it doesn't work with the new version? If 2.26 still produced good results, 2.37a already does not. Bisecting involves fixing compilation for each version. I stopped getting 2.30 to compile because it seemed to take forever (longer than fixing 2.26, 2.37a and 2.40 together) and two people had their hands on a port of the logo to Blender 2.57 by then, one of them still has. It's too early to give details. What I can say is that personally I would want a very close match in case of a Blender-based replacement, closer than what I have seen so far. It still seems possible though. Best, Sebastian
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [rfc] Rendering the official Gentoo logo / Blender 2.04, Python 2.2
On 05/01/2011 08:06 AM, Michał Górny wrote: Isn't it possible to create a better SVG then? It may be. Of the three variants trying to match the Blender version that I have seen so far, none is a replacement of equal quality on the bling scale to my impression. They feel like tradeoffs, not like the real thing. Maybe they try to come too close to the ray-traced rendering, but I'm not sure if I really want to propose a different direction either. I think such a variant would be much more portable and reproducible than blender files. What I dislike about the idea of moving to a new logo is that we would give up part of our culture just because we were unable to move it from past to present to future. Imagine this dialog: A: Hey guys, I noticed you have a new logo? B: Yeah, blender rendering changed - so we dropped it. I don't really want to be B in that dialog. I see the pragmatic aspect of moving to SVG but it also has the taste of giving up to me. To vercome that taste, a very strong replacement would be needed. If we replace the Blender g we may also need a substitute for the red-white Blender gentoo as seen at http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/*docroot*/images/gentoo-new.gif if just for the sake of consistency. I am wondering what effect the Blender nature of a logo does have on the capability and will of people to create fan art based on it compared to an SVG version. It seems like there is only a handful of 3D Gentoo wallpapers but does that mean it would have been more with an SVG version, instead? On what levels could SVG work as a catalyst? If we ported the logo to Blender 2.57 now: what can we do to not be running after Blender rendering changes for all time or to reduce their impact on us? Is this a natural cost or an evil one? Just my 2 cents. Best, Sebastian
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [rfc] Rendering the official Gentoo logo / Blender 2.04, Python 2.2
On 05/01/2011 06:10 AM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: Could you bisect Blender to find out why it doesn't work with the new version? I tried a few more versions now. While Blender 2.31a still applies the reflection texture, Blender 2.32 does not anymore. At least on http://download.blender.org/source/ these two appear as consecutive releases. Both of these seem to run fine with Python 2.4.6, which is still in Gentoo. Without good image diffs, I cannot tell for sure if the rendering has changed since Blender 2.04. Best, Sebastian
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [rfc] Rendering the official Gentoo logo / Blender 2.04, Python 2.2
On Thu, 05 May 2011 04:31:10 +0200 Sebastian Pipping sp...@gentoo.org wrote: I think such a variant would be much more portable and reproducible than blender files. What I dislike about the idea of moving to a new logo is that we would give up part of our culture just because we were unable to move it from past to present to future. Imagine this dialog: A: Hey guys, I noticed you have a new logo? B: Yeah, blender rendering changed - so we dropped it. Well, the concept is to have the same logo but in new format. Of course, that would require some of professional work to ensure best-match rendering if even possible. And I don't think it's really giving up. It's just moving to the future, putting back good, ol' things in the museum. However, it'd be still best to fix it. If we replace the Blender g we may also need a substitute for the red-white Blender gentoo as seen at http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/*docroot*/images/gentoo-new.gif if just for the sake of consistency. True. I am wondering what effect the Blender nature of a logo does have on the capability and will of people to create fan art based on it compared to an SVG version. It seems like there is only a handful of 3D Gentoo wallpapers but does that mean it would have been more with an SVG version, instead? On what levels could SVG work as a catalyst? As I see the concept of a logo, it is bound to a pretty strict rendering. It's fun to have it in 3D but I'm not sure if, say, rotating it or changing lighting would still make it the same logo. -- Best regards, Michał Górny signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [rfc] Rendering the official Gentoo logo / Blender 2.04, Python 2.2
On Sun, 1 May 2011 06:10:02 +0200 Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote: Maybe it's time to make the SVG variant the official logo, and leave the blender file as a historical variant. The Blender variant looks better though, especially at high resolutions. Isn't it possible to create a better SVG then? I think such a variant would be much more portable and reproducible than blender files. -- Best regards, Michał Górny signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-dev] Re: [rfc] Rendering the official Gentoo logo / Blender 2.04, Python 2.2
On Fri, 29 Apr 2011, Michał Górny wrote: Among the options I see is the following: A) Find out how to render g-metal.blend with recent Blender (2.57b at best) to give pixel-identical results to Blender 2.04. Needs an advanced Blender user ideally. B) Port Blender 2.26 to a recent version of Python. Are there any other options? Could you bisect Blender to find out why it doesn't work with the new version? Maybe it's time to make the SVG variant the official logo, and leave the blender file as a historical variant. The Blender variant looks better though, especially at high resolutions. Ulrich
