Re: [gentoo-user] Xorg.. twm not starting and terrible performance with fluxbox
Richard Fish wrote: I think we have a failure to communicate here Actually no... The via_drv I am talking about is an _x.org_ driver, not a kernel driver. It has nothing to do with the kernel sources or rebuilding the kernel. It should exist at /usr/lib/modules/drivers/via_drv.o (along with all other X11 drivers). I know! My xorg just doesn't want to compile that file! So what I tried was to enable the VIA drivers in the kernel. It then compiled both drm.ko and via.ko and also via_drv.o, but the via_drv.o never left the /usr/src directory. I don't understand why you don't have this file. The only case this should be missing is if you have USE=minimal. Could you please post the output of emerge -pv xorg-x11? I surely didn't use the minimal flag. The first time I had enabled insecure-drivers and disabled font-server. Then after reading your first email, I tried to compile it with the same USE flags as yours. Once you have this file, then you will need to update your xorg.conf Device section and change the Driver option to via. Already tried that, but of course, no via_drv.o! The kernel has a DRM driver for via, that (if compiled as a module) will be installed under /lib/modules as via.ko. To load that, you will modify /etc/autoload.d/kernel-2.6 to add the line via. However, again, this is only for DRI/DRM support, and will almost certainly require using the X11 via driver, so let's worry about that later! -Richard Well, the kernel modules have been loaded already... I noticed one thing, the agpgart option in the kernel is always disabled... !x86_64 says the Help for that option. As it is, I have a PCI card... I just can't understand why the file isn't compiled by xorg. Not to mention, FC4 uses vesa and works perfectly. I wonder what's going on with Gentoo :( Thanks for your help so far, Mrugesh -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] strange problem with fam USE-flag
Hi,
Recently (last two days) when running:emerge -DNu world -ptv receive
the following:
...
#emerge -DNu world -ptv
These are the packages that I would merge, in reverse order:
Calculating world dependencies ...done!
[ebuild R ] mail-filter/maildrop-2.0.1 +berkdb -debug +fam* -gdbm
-ldap -mysql -postgres 0 kB
[ebuild R ] net-mail/courier-imap-4.0.1 +berkdb -debug +fam* -gdbm
+ipv6 +nls (-selinux) 0 kB
Total size of downloads: 0 kB
...
In first look nothing strange, only i don't have/use fam (use 'gamin'
instead).
More info,no fam in /etc/make.conf: grep fam /etc/make.conf nothing.
So must be some issue with virtuals.
In maildrop-2.0.1.ebuild there is the following:
...
DEPEND=!mail-mta/courier
dev-libs/libpcre
gdbm? ( =sys-libs/gdbm-1.8.0 )
mysql?( net-libs/courier-authlib )
postgres? ( net-libs/courier-authlib )
ldap? ( net-libs/courier-authlib )
fam? ( virtual/fam )
!fam? ( ~sys-devel/autoconf-2.59 )
!gdbm? (
berkdb? (
=sys-libs/db-3
~sys-devel/autoconf-2.59
)
)
=sys-devel/automake-1.9.3
...
Same for courier-imap:
...
RDEPEND=virtual/libc
=dev-libs/openssl-0.9.6
berkdb? ( sys-libs/db )
gdbm? ( =sys-libs/gdbm-1.8.0 )
fam? ( virtual/fam )
selinux? ( sec-policy/selinux-courier-imap )
DEPEND=${RDEPEND}
=sys-apps/sed-4
dev-lang/perl
sys-process/procps
=net-libs/courier-authlib-0.50
!mail-mta/courier
PROVIDE=virtual/imapd
...
Yes there's a virtual/fam in both.
Now looking in: gamin-0.1.7.ebuild
...RDEPEND=virtual/libc
=dev-libs/glib-2
!app-admin/fam
DEPEND=${RDEPEND}
dev-util/pkgconfig
PROVIDE=virtual/fam
...
Now don't need to post this as a question, thing are clear. Gamin also
provides virtual/fam although it's gamin not fam.
Just a confusion with fam USE-flag.
Post this for info only. Thanks.
Rumen
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[gentoo-user] More 2.6.14 badness: iptables no longer logging
More 2.6.14 badness: just realised my gateway iptables rules under 2.6.14 no longer log events. rebuilt iptables with no changes so Ive gone back to 2.6.13. Is anyone else seeing this? Ive only tested 1 system so far. BillK -- William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Is a wiki what I'm after?
On Saturday 12 November 2005 17.11, Chris White wrote: On Saturday 12 November 2005 16:33, Andrew Lowe wrote: Hi all, The wife has finally put her foot down and said I have to clean up the mess that inhabits my office which occupies our second bedroom. I probably would tell you the same thing sadly ;P A wiki is one of the first things to come to mind. I'm contemplating setting a wiki up on my trusty little firewall/email/squid/dns server, scanning the clipping, creating an entry in the wiki, placing, say, the first para of the clipping in the wiki page, maybe via OCR software, and then attaching the scanned image to the page. This way I can search the wiki looking for stuff, the first paragraph of the article will probably tell me if its the page I'm after and if so, look at the scanned image for the full article. Yes, I'd recommend tikiwiki for that, as I know they have a file gallery, which pretty much does what you've suggested. I also noticed that tikiwiki is generally really easy to setup. Does this sound like a suitable use for a wiki or am I wasting my time and there are more application specific packages out there that would suit my needs better? Anyone done anything like this before? Any thoughts greatly appreciated, Andrew My 2 Cents Chris White I'm regularly scanning most dead-tree info that comes my way, and filing it away. I bought a cheap HP all in one gadget (d125xi ~200€) that has a document feeder on top which works really well up to ~40 pages per batch. Its operation is easily scriptable and together with imagemagick you can do some nice post-processing. However, I haven't found a good OCR program yet. That is the major hurdle. Searchability is the really important thing. The space saving and portability is nice enough though, for the moment. I heard that Adobe has a windoze only software that can do this reasonably well, but I haven't researched it further. Jimmy -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] More 2.6.14 badness: iptables no longer logging
More 2.6.14 badness: just realised my gateway iptables rules under 2.6.14 no longer log events. rebuilt iptables with no changes so Ive gone back to 2.6.13. Is anyone else seeing this? sorry I can't see this on my desktop. -j LOG works as expected. Do you use ULOG? BTW: I use net-firewall/iptables-1.3.4 (~x86). Not 1.3.2 from x86-keyword. Sascha. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Is a wiki what I'm after?
On Saturday 12 November 2005 18:17, Jimmy Rosen wrote: However, I haven't found a good OCR program yet. That is the major hurdle. Searchability is the really important thing. The space saving and portability is nice enough though, for the moment. I heard that Adobe has a windoze only software that can do this reasonably well, but I haven't researched it further. Not sure about Linux OCR. I know that you can get ScanSoft or Paper Port for windows. Paper Port is what I hear most people recommend. Jimmy Chris White pgpxQaSERVr1T.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] how to upload files...?any tool?
On 00:22 Fri 11 Nov , El Nino wrote: Dear friends, i develop my own webpages now want to upload them to a remote server. so im new to do this... so can any body to point me a tool to do this? For ftp I use: * net-ftp/weex Available versions: 2.6.1.5 Installed: 2.6.1.5-r1 Homepage:http://weex.sourceforge.net/ Description: Automates maintaining a web page or other FTP archive. -- [sinatura] A ouvir (mpd): Mikel Laboa - Baga, biga, higa GPG KeyID:0x9D2FD6C8 - http://tinyurl.com/79lrs [\sinatura] pgpfbA816FORR.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] What is recommended behavior for complete updating of an old system ?
On Saturday 12 Nov 2005 8:52 am, Bob Sanders wrote: emerge sync once per week and let it run over the weekend doing updates. About once per year - - emerge sync - ufed and check out the USE flags. Some changes occur and they need a bit of cleaning. - emerge -eav system (no need to d world.) - emerge -uDNav world - python-updater - perl-cleaner all - revdep-rebuild Even though I am not facing problems like the original thread starter but I have always thought that what would I do a year down the lane when stuff like gcc/glibc (and other important things) are upgraded in major ways. These commands will help :-) Thanks from my side. Abhay pgprP5cCIDtOA.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] how to upload files...?any tool?
On 00:22 Fri 11 Nov , El Nino wrote: Dear friends, i develop my own webpages now want to upload them to a remote server. so im new to do this... so can any body to point me a tool to do this? If you can find some way (e.g. shell access or a friendly sysadmin) to install it on the remote server, I highly recommend unison: * net-misc/unison Latest version available: 2.13.16 Latest version installed: 2.13.16 Size of downloaded files: 1,001 kB Homepage:http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/ Description: Two-way cross-platform file synchronizer License: GPL-2 It uses the rsync protocol, so is much faster than copying the files if you've just made small changes. But unlike rsync it allows full two-way synchronisation, which is very useful if files can be changed on the server as well as on your local copy. HTH, Toby -- PhD Student Quantum Information Theory group Max Planck Institute for Quantum Optics Garching, Germany email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.dr-qubit.org -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] problem starting BillardGL (assertion failed)
Hi, I'm trying to start BillardGL (a very cool billard OpenGL free game), but all I have is this error... BillardGL (C) 2001, 2002 Tobias Nopper, Stefan Disch, Martina Welte No Game Mode possible! BillardGL: r200_vtxfmt.c:1052: r200VtxFmtFlushVertices: Assertion `rmesa-dma.flush == 0 || rmesa-dma.flush == flush_prims' failed. Aborted Nor the forums nor bugzilla nor Google seem to know anything about this. What about you? :) I have xorg-x11 6.8.2-r4, fluxbox, my graphic card is a Radeon 9200SE, DRI enabled. Portage 2.0.51.22-r3 (default-linux/x86/2005.0, gcc-3.3.6, glibc-2.3.5-r2, 2.6.12-gentoo-r9 i686) = System uname: 2.6.12-gentoo-r9 i686 AMD Duron(tm) Gentoo Base System version 1.6.13 dev-lang/python: 2.3.5-r2, 2.4.2 sys-apps/sandbox:1.2.12 sys-devel/autoconf: 2.13, 2.59-r6 sys-devel/automake: 1.4_p6, 1.5, 1.6.3, 1.7.9-r1, 1.8.5-r3, 1.9.6-r1 sys-devel/binutils: 2.15.92.0.2-r10 sys-devel/libtool: 1.5.20 virtual/os-headers: 2.6.11-r2 ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=x86 AUTOCLEAN=yes CBUILD=i686-pc-linux-gnu CFLAGS=-O3 -pipe -march=athlon-xp -fomit-frame-pointer -mmmx -msse -m3dnow CHOST=i686-pc-linux-gnu CONFIG_PROTECT=/etc /usr/kde/2/share/config /usr/kde/3.3/env /usr/kde/3.3/share/config /usr/kde/3.3/shutdown /usr/kde/3.4/env /usr/kde/3.4/share/config /usr/kde/3.4/shutdown /usr/kde/3/share/config /usr/lib/X11/xkb /usr/share/config /usr/share/texmf/dvipdfm/config/ /usr/share/texmf/dvips/config/ /usr/share/texmf/tex/generic/config/ /usr/share/texmf/tex/platex/config/ /usr/share/texmf/xdvi/ /var/qmail/control CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK=/etc/gconf /etc/terminfo /etc/env.d CXXFLAGS=-O3 -pipe -march=athlon-xp -fomit-frame-pointer -mmmx -msse -m3dnow DISTDIR=/usr/portage/distfiles FEATURES=autoconfig distlocks sandbox sfperms strict GENTOO_MIRRORS=http://distfiles.gentoo.org http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo; MAKEOPTS=-j2 PKGDIR=/usr/portage/packages PORTAGE_TMPDIR=/var/tmp PORTDIR=/usr/portage SYNC=rsync://rsync.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage USE=x86 3dnow X acl alsa apm arts audiofile avi berkdb bitmap-fonts bzip2 cdr crypt cups curl divx4linux dvd dvdr eds emboss encode esd ethereal exif expat fam ffmpeg flac foomaticdb fortran ftp gd gdbm gif glut gnome gnustep gnutls gphoto2 gpm gstreamer gtk gtk2 idn imagemagick imlib ipv6 jabber jack java jpeg junit kde lcms libg++ libwww lua mad mikmod mmx mng motif mp3 mpeg ncurses nls ogg oggvorbis openal opengl oss pam pcre pdflib perl png python qt quicktime readline recode samba sdl slang spell sse ssl svg svga tcltk tcpd tetex tiff truetype truetype-fonts type1-fonts udev usb vorbis xine xml xml2 xmms xv xvid zlib userland_GNU kernel_linux elibc_glibc Unset: ASFLAGS, CTARGET, LANG, LC_ALL, LDFLAGS, LINGUAS, PORTDIR_OVERLAY Thank you for any info! m. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Server Mirroring...
Hi Gentoo-User I run a Apache2 webserver and Postfix as per the virtual mailhost guide... For resilience I would like to have two gentoo boxes doing these tasks for load balancing / redundancy - how can this be achieved? Is there a tool that will allow replication of the config files / mysql stuff to allow the boxes to basically be a cluster ? Oh - one more thing, the boxes will sit in different data centres ! Thanks in advance... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Xorg.. twm not starting and terrible performance with fluxbox
Mrugesh Karnik schreef: Richard Fish wrote: The via_drv I am talking about is an _x.org_ driver, not a kernel driver. It has nothing to do with the kernel sources or rebuilding the kernel. It should exist at /usr/lib/modules/drivers/via_drv.o (along with all other X11 drivers). I know! My xorg just doesn't want to compile that file! So what I tried was to enable the VIA drivers in the kernel. It then compiled both drm.ko and via.ko and also via_drv.o, but the via_drv.o never left the /usr/src directory. Possibly because you don't have the 'insecure-drivers' USE flag enabled: On 11/10/05, Mrugesh Karnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: carcharias rjf # equery belongs /usr/lib/modules/drivers/via_drv.o [ Searching for file(s) /usr/lib/modules/drivers/via_drv.o in *... ] x11-base/xorg-x11-6.8.2-r6 (/usr/lib/modules/drivers/via_drv.o) carcharias rjf # emerge -vp x11-base/xorg-x11 These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild R ] x11-base/xorg-x11-6.8.2-r6 -3dfx -3dnow +bitmap-fonts -cjk -debug -dlloader -dmx +doc +font-server -insecure-drivers +ipv6 -minimal +mmx +nls -nocxx +opengl +pam -sdk +sse -static +truetype-fonts +type1-fonts (-uclibc) -xprint +xv 0 kB /usr/portage/profiles/use.local.desc:x11-base/xorg-x11:insecure-drivers - Builds insecure DRI stuff for via, mach64 and savage You might as well try it; you can't be much worse off. I just can't understand why the file isn't compiled by xorg. Not to mention, FC4 uses vesa and works perfectly. I wonder what's going on with Gentoo :( Like most binary distros, the FC RPMs probably enable everything 'enableable'. I have no idea why the drivers are considered 'insecure', but assuming they are (which would not surprise me), it's well within the realm of possibility that they fall under the you have to know what you're doing and decide for yourself' section of the Gentoo design philosopy (which is the major thrust of the Gentoo design philosopy, so that doesn't surprise me either). Why FC 4 would enable them and Gentoo would mark them as insecure well, heck-- FC4 uses GCC 4.0 *by default* as I understand it, and we have it completely masked (and most other distros don't use it either, afaik, certainly not by default yet). So since FC4 seems to want to live even further out on the 'bleeding edge' than we are said to do, again, I'm not surprised that the drivers would be enabled by default, no matter their status in terms of security, completeness, or stability. HTH, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] strange problem with fam USE-flag
Rumen Yotov schreef: Hi, Recently (last two days) when running:emerge -DNu world -ptv receive the following: ... #emerge -DNu world -ptv These are the packages that I would merge, in reverse order: Calculating world dependencies ...done! [ebuild R ] mail-filter/maildrop-2.0.1 +berkdb -debug +fam* -gdbm -ldap -mysql -postgres 0 kB [ebuild R ] net-mail/courier-imap-4.0.1 +berkdb -debug +fam* -gdbm +ipv6 +nls (-selinux) 0 kB Total size of downloads: 0 kB ... In first look nothing strange, only i don't have/use fam (use 'gamin' instead). More info,no fam in /etc/make.conf: grep fam /etc/make.conf nothing. So must be some issue with virtuals. In maildrop-2.0.1.ebuild there is the following: ... Now don't need to post this as a question, thing are clear. Gamin also provides virtual/fam although it's gamin not fam. Just a confusion with fam USE-flag. Post this for info only. Thanks. This happened to me yesterday, except with a twist. For a change, I did an emerge -uaDNtv world instead of without a --newuse like normal, and I got a block, because of emelfm2: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild R ] app-misc/emelfm2-0.1.2 +fam* -gamin +nls -utf8only 0 kB [1] Total size of downloads: 0 kB Portage overlays: [1] /usr/local/portage Now, since I use gamin, fam wanted to install, and was (naturally) blocked by gamin. Fortunately, emelfm2 has a 'gamin' USE flag, so I just disabled fam and enabled gamin to clear the block. Comparing this to your situation, it looks like 'fam' is a new USE flag, enabled by default (since fam is installed by default). I don't really have much of a problem with that-- except I misss the corresponding 'gamin' USE flag for the programs you are upgrading. However, I also assume that these programs may not be able to use gamin, or have not been updated to use a virtual/fam rather than fam itself. Either way, I would be clued that these programs were out of date in some respect, and would start checking their current status on the web page: are they currently maintained? are there plans to enable gamin support? If not, then I would check Bugzilla to see if a bug had been filed to allow for virtual/fam instead of fam directly. If not, I would copy the ebuilds to my overlay and modify them to take a virtual/fam, and install those. If they worked that way, I would submit the modified ebuilds to b.g.o. My 2 eurocents (which we don't even have anymore), Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Xorg.. twm not starting and terrible performance with fluxbox
Holly Bostick wrote: Possibly because you don't have the 'insecure-drivers' USE flag enabled: I had insecure-drivers enabled the first time I compiled xorg. I think I had disabled it in the subsequent compilations. I found an ebuild with VIA Unichrome USE flag and patches added; in the forums. I'll try that ebuild because it's been reported to have worked. I'll also make sure that I enable insecure-drivers this time! I'll know the results in about an hour and half... Hope it works. Like most binary distros, the FC RPMs probably enable everything 'enableable'. I have no idea why the drivers are considered 'insecure', but assuming they are (which would not surprise me), it's well within the realm of possibility that they fall under the you have to know what you're doing and decide for yourself' section of the Gentoo design philosopy (which is the major thrust of the Gentoo design philosopy, so that doesn't surprise me either). Why FC 4 would enable them and Gentoo would mark them as insecure well, heck-- FC4 uses GCC 4.0 *by default* as I understand it, and we have it completely masked (and most other distros don't use it either, afaik, certainly not by default yet). So since FC4 seems to want to live even further out on the 'bleeding edge' than we are said to do, again, I'm not surprised that the drivers would be enabled by default, no matter their status in terms of security, completeness, or stability. HTH, Holly Hmmm. Well, I love my Gentoo. I can always use the bleeding edge stuff with ~ keywords (As you would already know of course ;))! Anyway, I think Mandriva 2006 also uses GCC 4 by default now. It also comes with xorg 6.8.9*. I read on xorg.freedesktop.org that the new xorg release includes updates from the VIA Unichrome project. I looked into portage and yaay! The VIA drivers package is there.. Only, its -amd64. I am on AMD64. I'm wondering what to do. If all fails, I'll have to buy an NVIDIA AGP card I guess. I love Gentoo too much to remove it just because of this graphics card issue. (Wise choice spending money on an FX5200 just to have Gentoo running??? Well, I can always install UT and say to myself, YES! Wise choice indeed :P ) Regards, Mrugesh -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] More 2.6.14 badness: iptables no longer logging
No, I use LOG (via the monmotha script). Same prob with both iptables versions: its only the kernel version thats changed. Diff'ing the configs hasnt helped. At least I now know its my system, and not something more widespread. Just setup and tested another gentoo-sources-2.6.14-r1 system and thats fine. Think I'll wipe the kernel and start from scratch and see if its something Ive overlooked. BillK On Sat, 2005-11-12 at 11:16 +0100, Sascha Lucas wrote: More 2.6.14 badness: just realised my gateway iptables rules under 2.6.14 no longer log events. rebuilt iptables with no changes so Ive gone back to 2.6.13. Is anyone else seeing this? sorry I can't see this on my desktop. -j LOG works as expected. Do you use ULOG? BTW: I use net-firewall/iptables-1.3.4 (~x86). Not 1.3.2 from x86-keyword. Sascha. -- William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ghosting(?) a drive
I do this quite frequently - except that in most cases I am replacing an old drive with a new larger driver, but want the existing partitions copied accross identically as if nothing has changed. To complicate matters, I often have more that one operating system installed on the disk. The basic appreach is really the same thing you would do if your old drive failed completely and you were recovering from backups - only this way you can make sure your backups are completely up to date so that nothing is lost. The best method (IMHO) is as follows: Firstly, always make sure your backups are completely up to date before you start plugging and unplugging hard drives. Use 'fdisk -l' or similar to get the exact partitioning of the old drive, and print a copy. Next connect and partition the new drive with identically sized partitions to the original drive. Any extra space will be available for new partitions - these can be created now or later. Now load all of the partitions with the content of the corresponding original. If I am using dump to backup ext2/ext3 filesystems, I usually just use restore at this point. Alternatively, boot your old system single user (so all filesystems are read-only) and dd each old filsystem to the corresponding new filesystem. Finally, move the new drive to its final address and remove the original, boot using a floppy or CD, and use grub/lilo to update your boot blocks. Then, of course, you chould run a filesystem check on each of the filesystems just to make sure. This ensures that the information in the boot sector is correct for the new drive. Two 120G drives will typically not have *exactly* the same number of sectors, and usually will have a different geometry. So long as the new drive has the same or more, then you are ok and just need to make sure you copy the original partition sizes exactly. If you have slightly less, then at least one partition will be smaller and should be formatted and copied file by file (although you could avoid this by choosing to shrink the swap partition). The dd means I don't have to worry about what operating system is in the partition, and there is no possibility that oversights with rsync will have resulted in subtle changes that might go un-noticed for a long time - such as forgetting to preserve hard links (archive mode does not preserve everything..). When I need to change the size of one or more filesystems, then I use dump/restore (for ext2/3 filesystem) or rsync for Unix based systems. Regards, DigbyT On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 02:50:22PM -0800, maxim wexler wrote: Hello everyone, Just received a new, unformatted SATA 120G HD with the intention of moving my entire gentoo OS over to it from a flaky 120G ATA drive(reiserfs). Hopefully, I can just boot up from the new drive as if nothing had changed. Can anybody recommend any tool(s) for the job? Gotchas? Does SATA prefer a certain fs? -mw __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Digby R. S. Tarvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.digbyt.com -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] strange problem with fam USE-flag
Hi Holly, On Sat, 2005-11-12 at 15:16 +0100, Holly Bostick wrote: Rumen Yotov schreef: Hi, Recently (last two days) when running:emerge -DNu world -ptv receive the following: ... #emerge -DNu world -ptv These are the packages that I would merge, in reverse order: Calculating world dependencies ...done! [ebuild R ] mail-filter/maildrop-2.0.1 +berkdb -debug +fam* -gdbm -ldap -mysql -postgres 0 kB [ebuild R ] net-mail/courier-imap-4.0.1 +berkdb -debug +fam* -gdbm +ipv6 +nls (-selinux) 0 kB Total size of downloads: 0 kB ... In first look nothing strange, only i don't have/use fam (use 'gamin' instead). More info,no fam in /etc/make.conf: grep fam /etc/make.conf nothing. So must be some issue with virtuals. In maildrop-2.0.1.ebuild there is the following: ... Now don't need to post this as a question, thing are clear. Gamin also provides virtual/fam although it's gamin not fam. Just a confusion with fam USE-flag. Post this for info only. Thanks. It turns out this is confusion only in my head ;-) This happened to me yesterday, except with a twist. For a change, I did an emerge -uaDNtv world instead of without a --newuse like normal, and I got a block, because of emelfm2: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild R ] app-misc/emelfm2-0.1.2 +fam* -gamin +nls -utf8only 0 kB [1] You are using the one in your overlay here. i have this: ... #ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 emerge emelfm2 -pv These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild N] app-misc/emelfm2-0.0.9-r1 +nls 456 kB Total size of downloads: 456 kB ... Total size of downloads: 0 kB Portage overlays: [1] /usr/local/portage Now, since I use gamin, fam wanted to install, and was (naturally) blocked by gamin. Fortunately, emelfm2 has a 'gamin' USE flag, so I just disabled fam and enabled gamin to clear the block. Comparing this to your situation, it looks like 'fam' is a new USE flag, enabled by default (since fam is installed by default). I don't really have much of a problem with that-- except I misss the corresponding 'gamin' USE flag for the programs you are upgrading. However, I also assume that these programs may not be able to use gamin, or have not been updated to use a virtual/fam rather than fam itself. Think it's better they use virtual/fam or some sort of virtual/a-name-here. Gamin ebuild already provides virtual/fam. Either way, I would be clued that these programs were out of date in some respect, and would start checking their current status on the web page: are they currently maintained? are there plans to enable gamin support? If not, then I would check Bugzilla to see if a bug had been filed to allow for virtual/fam instead of fam directly. If not, I would copy the ebuilds to my overlay and modify them to take a virtual/fam, and install those. They already DEPEND on virtual/fam. It's just a matter of naming IMO, the name fam (File Alternating Monitor IIRC) merely coincides with fam in virtual/fam, not like virtual/mda which is clearer. If they worked that way, I would submit the modified ebuilds to b.g.o. My 2 eurocents (which we don't even have anymore), Holly Thanks.Rumen signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
[gentoo-user] Re: Have another 2.6.14 problem: cisco-vpn client
Hi, I had the same problem and found a solution for this problem. In line 292 and line 432 of the file linuxcniapi.c, I have replaced the following text do_gettimeofday(skb-stamp); whit the following code: __net_timestamp((struct sk_buff *)skb); I have found this solution in a patch for iptime here: http://patchwork.netfilter.org/netfilter-devel/patch.pl?id=2988, but I don't really know, why this solution works. I have made available my solution under www.aloetscher.ch/patches/linuxcniapi.c. I hope, this helps. Regards, Adrian W.Kenworthy schrieb: Have another 2.6.14 problem. I am trying to build the cisco-vpn client against this kernel and get the following errors below. Note that I am using a portage overlay version here, but the error message is identical no matter what version I am trying to build. Needless to say, it builds fine with 2.6.13. I am wondering if this is a header problem (something has moved in 2.6.14) BillK Unpacking source... Unpacking vpnclient-linux-4.7.00.0640-k9.tar.gz to /var/tmp/portage/cisco-vpnclient-4.7.00.0640/work Source unpacked. make -C /lib/modules/2.6.14-gentoo/build SUBDIRS=/var/tmp/portage/cisco-vpnclient-4.7.00.0640/work/vpnclient modules make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.14-gentoo' CC [M] /var/tmp/portage/cisco-vpnclient-4.7.00.0640/work/vpnclient/linuxcniapi.o /var/tmp/portage/cisco-vpnclient-4.7.00.0640/work/vpnclient/linuxcniapi.c: In function `CniInjectReceive': /var/tmp/portage/cisco-vpnclient-4.7.00.0640/work/vpnclient/linuxcniapi.c:292: error: structure has no member named `stamp' /var/tmp/portage/cisco-vpnclient-4.7.00.0640/work/vpnclient/linuxcniapi.c: In function `CniInjectSend': /var/tmp/portage/cisco-vpnclient-4.7.00.0640/work/vpnclient/linuxcniapi.c:432: error: structure has no member named `stamp' make[2]: *** [/var/tmp/portage/cisco-vpnclient-4.7.00.0640/work/vpnclient/linuxcniapi.o] Error 1 make[1]: *** [_module_/var/tmp/portage/cisco-vpnclient-4.7.00.0640/work/vpnclient] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.14-gentoo' make: *** [default] Error 2 !!! ERROR: net-misc/cisco-vpnclient-4.7.00.0640 failed. !!! Function src_compile, Line 34, Exitcode 0 !!! Failed to make module 'cisco_ipsec' !!! If you need support, post the topmost build error, NOT this status message. bunyip linux # make xconfig -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Automatically mounting USB mass storage devices (camera)
Hi! Since recently (I of course don't know since when exactly *G*), I cannot get KDE or Gnome or ivman to automatically mount my digicam, when I plug it in. The camera appears as a USB Mass Storage devices. In the kern.log, I get the following entries: Nov 12 20:28:14 blatt usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 5 Nov 12 20:28:14 blatt scsi3 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices Nov 12 20:28:14 blatt usb-storage: device found at 5 Nov 12 20:28:14 blatt usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning [...] Nov 12 20:28:19 blatt Vendor: NIKON Model: NIKON DSC E4300 Rev: 1.00 Nov 12 20:28:19 blatt Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Nov 12 20:28:19 blatt SCSI device sda: 503808 512-byte hdwr sectors (258 MB) Nov 12 20:28:19 blatt sda: Write Protect is off Nov 12 20:28:19 blatt sda: Mode Sense: 18 00 00 08 Nov 12 20:28:19 blatt sda: assuming drive cache: write through Nov 12 20:28:19 blatt SCSI device sda: 503808 512-byte hdwr sectors (258 MB) Nov 12 20:28:19 blatt sda: Write Protect is off Nov 12 20:28:19 blatt sda: Mode Sense: 18 00 00 08 Nov 12 20:28:19 blatt sda: assuming drive cache: write through Nov 12 20:28:19 blatt sda: sda1 Nov 12 20:28:19 blatt Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi3, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 Nov 12 20:28:19 blatt usb-storage: device scan complete As you can see, the system made the device available as sda1. When I mount /dev/sda1 /mnt, I can get to the pictures and what-not on the disk. I just noticed another strange thing - lsusb isn't finding the device. Or rather, it's only able to find it when ran with root rights. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ lsusb Bus 002 Device 002: ID 046d:c00c Logitech, Inc. Optical Wheel Mouse Bus 002 Device 001: ID : Bus 001 Device 001: ID : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ sudo lsusb Bus 002 Device 002: ID 046d:c00c Logitech, Inc. Optical Wheel Mouse Bus 002 Device 001: ID : Bus 001 Device 005: ID 04b0:010e Nikon Corp. Coolpix 4300 (storage) Bus 001 Device 001: ID : Strange. How can I get the system to automatically mount my USB device when I attach it? [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ lsmod Module Size Used by autofs419844 4 rt2500169572 1 sd_mod 16144 0 usb_storage33412 0 scsi_mod 92772 2 sd_mod,usb_storage snd_pcm_oss50720 0 snd_mixer_oss 18176 1 snd_pcm_oss snd_seq_oss32896 0 snd_seq_midi_event 7168 1 snd_seq_oss snd_seq50192 4 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi_event snd_via82xx26656 1 snd_ac97_codec 88316 1 snd_via82xx snd_ac97_bus2304 1 snd_ac97_codec snd_pcm88584 3 snd_pcm_oss,snd_via82xx,snd_ac97_codec snd_timer 24708 2 snd_seq,snd_pcm snd_page_alloc 10504 2 snd_via82xx,snd_pcm snd_mpu401_uart 7424 1 snd_via82xx snd_rawmidi25120 1 snd_mpu401_uart snd_seq_device 8460 3 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_rawmidi snd52452 13 snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_via82xx,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device soundcore 10080 1 snd ext3 121736 2 jbd58260 1 ext3 reiserfs 238448 3 af_packet 22024 2 usbhid 37088 0 rtc 9236 0 pcspkr 3808 0 drm69652 0 via_agp 9600 1 agpgart33608 2 drm,via_agp ide_cd 39940 0 cdrom 38176 1 ide_cd cpufreq_conservative 7204 0 cpufreq_ondemand6300 0 cpufreq_powersave 1920 0 p4_clockmod 4872 0 speedstep_lib 3968 1 p4_clockmod freq_table 4612 1 p4_clockmod evdev 9344 1 psmouse35204 0 ac 4868 0 button 6672 0 video 15492 0 thermal13064 0 processor 22844 1 thermal battery 9348 0 fan 4612 0 uhci_hcd 32016 0 usbcore 120064 4 usb_storage,usbhid,uhci_hcd [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ uname -a Linux blatt 2.6.14-suspend2.037 #1 PREEMPT Tue Nov 8 20:57:32 CET 2005 i686 Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 1.50GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux Thanks, Alexander -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Automatically mounting USB mass storage devices (camera)
How can I get the system to automatically mount my USB device when I attach it? Most cameras can be switched from USB to PTP mode in the setup. I recommend to do so and instead of automounting it to access it via PTP (see gphoto2/digikam etc.). It's much more convenient because you can plug it in out pull it out at any time without the need to mount it. Best regards ce -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Automatically mounting USB mass storage devices (camera)
Christoph Eckert schrieb: How can I get the system to automatically mount my USB device when I attach it? Most cameras can be switched from USB to PTP mode in the setup. Yeah, I know. When Mass Storage worked, it was much more convenient than having to start some program to import hte files from PTP to the system. I recommend to do so and instead of automounting it to access it via PTP (see gphoto2/digikam etc.). It's much more convenient because you can plug it in out pull it out at any time without the need to mount it. Yep. That's the way it used to be :) But with PTP I had other kinds of problems. Well, instead of using PTP, I rather mount the camera by hand. Much more convient, IMO. Thanks for the tip, though. But instead of the PTP workaround, I'll use the manual-mount workaround. Or maybe autofs. Alexander Skwar -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Automatically mounting USB mass storage devices (camera)
Thanks for the tip, though. But instead of the PTP workaround, I'll use the manual-mount workaround. Or maybe autofs. PTP is slow, *very* slow on my machine. This is a big minus. Regardless of mass storage or PTP you can write a small shell script which automates the process and copies the pics to disk, maybe by creating a folder with the current date. Best regards ce -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Xorg.. twm not starting and terrible performance with fluxbox
On 11/12/05, Mrugesh Karnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what I tried was to enable the VIA drivers in the kernel. It then compiled both drm.ko and via.ko and also via_drv.o, but the via_drv.o never left the /usr/src directory. Which is the exactly correct and expected behavior. I don't understand why you don't have this file. The only case this should be missing is if you have USE=minimal. Could you please post the output of emerge -pv xorg-x11? I surely didn't use the minimal flag. The first time I had enabled insecure-drivers and disabled font-server. Then after reading your first email, I tried to compile it with the same USE flags as yours. Ok, if I am reading the xorg configuration files correctly (which are a bit complex...to say the least), it seems the via driver is disabled by default when compiling for the AMD64 architecture. Not to mention, FC4 uses vesa and works perfectly. I wonder what's going on with Gentoo :( Too many variables to answer that question...kernel versions, kernel configuration, kernel patches, frame buffer options, xorg versions, xorg patches, and so on. You could try to eliminate some of those variables by using the same kernel version .config under both. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] [Iptables related] How to make one machine only talk on loc lan
Hopefully somehere can direct me to where this should be posted or answer it directly. I'm looking to my Gentoo box to solve the problem described below: First: My home lan looks like: INTERNET | DSLMODEM | - NETGEAR FVS318 fw/router--- | ||| | Mch1Mch2 mch3mch4 mch5 Lin win win win win Gentoo Machines 3-5 are heavy hitters for graphics work and are heavily loaded with such things as Photoshop, vegas, canopus Edius, Adobe Illustrator and the like. I don't want to have to worry about spyware,adware,virus prevention firewall stuff competing for resources with the graphics tools. Instead I'd like to prevent those three from contacting the internet. I want to isolate mch3-5 to only the local network. That is, only mch 1 (a linux) machine and mch2 (a winxp pro) machine, should be able to freely access the internet. (Making those secure while doing so is not dicussed here) 3-5 should only be able to talk to/from the local net. I realize this would not be true isolation as anyone getting to 1-2 would have access to 3-5, so all bets are off if that should happen. Its more about having to worry about downloads or link clicks etc with unwanted results. The Netgear FVS318 appears not to be able to do this for me. But I could be wrong there. I see no options that look usefull for it. Blocking of sites might do it but appears it would be a long process setting it up. I'd happily hear that the router can do this. = I'm turning to my gentoo box for a solution. However, I'm not interested in setting it up as the router for everthing and ditching the NETGEAR. Its to convenient having something the size of a medium book that makes no noise or heat but can keep all but the most dedicated of script kiddies of my network. I'm thinking I could route machines 3-5 thru it as gateway. The way I work, the gentoo box is always running. I would never be using the others without it running, its just how I work. I know already that Iptables can handle the rulesets needed to get what I want. I'm not sure of the exact rules yet but believe it is at least possible. Now for the questions: Can I route 3-5 thru the Gentoo box without changing the subnet setup? That is, all still remain 192.168.0.0/24. And simply set gateway on 3-5 to point at the gentoo box. Then setup IPtables to prevent those machines from talking beyond local lan in or out. Something like deny everything, then allow only a list of `safe' IPs on the local lan. So again: Can I do all this without hardwiring 3-5 direct to the Gentoo box. That is, just by setting it as gateway on each of them. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [Iptables related] How to make one machine only talk on loc lan
The netgear will do it. you can give it ip addresses to block. look at the schedule setups. set them up only to be able to access the internet for, say a second on sunday at 3 am, and not for the rest of the time On Saturday 12 November 2005 17:35, Harry Putnam wrote: Hopefully somehere can direct me to where this should be posted or answer it directly. I'm looking to my Gentoo box to solve the problem described below: First: My home lan looks like: INTERNET DSLMODEM - NETGEAR FVS318 fw/router--- Mch1Mch2 mch3mch4 mch5 Lin win win win win Gentoo Machines 3-5 are heavy hitters for graphics work and are heavily loaded with such things as Photoshop, vegas, canopus Edius, Adobe Illustrator and the like. I don't want to have to worry about spyware,adware,virus prevention firewall stuff competing for resources with the graphics tools. Instead I'd like to prevent those three from contacting the internet. I want to isolate mch3-5 to only the local network. That is, only mch 1 (a linux) machine and mch2 (a winxp pro) machine, should be able to freely access the internet. (Making those secure while doing so is not dicussed here) 3-5 should only be able to talk to/from the local net. I realize this would not be true isolation as anyone getting to 1-2 would have access to 3-5, so all bets are off if that should happen. Its more about having to worry about downloads or link clicks etc with unwanted results. The Netgear FVS318 appears not to be able to do this for me. But I could be wrong there. I see no options that look usefull for it. Blocking of sites might do it but appears it would be a long process setting it up. I'd happily hear that the router can do this. = I'm turning to my gentoo box for a solution. However, I'm not interested in setting it up as the router for everthing and ditching the NETGEAR. Its to convenient having something the size of a medium book that makes no noise or heat but can keep all but the most dedicated of script kiddies of my network. I'm thinking I could route machines 3-5 thru it as gateway. The way I work, the gentoo box is always running. I would never be using the others without it running, its just how I work. I know already that Iptables can handle the rulesets needed to get what I want. I'm not sure of the exact rules yet but believe it is at least possible. Now for the questions: Can I route 3-5 thru the Gentoo box without changing the subnet setup? That is, all still remain 192.168.0.0/24. And simply set gateway on 3-5 to point at the gentoo box. Then setup IPtables to prevent those machines from talking beyond local lan in or out. Something like deny everything, then allow only a list of `safe' IPs on the local lan. So again: Can I do all this without hardwiring 3-5 direct to the Gentoo box. That is, just by setting it as gateway on each of them. -- John Jolet Your On-Demand IT Department 512-762-0729 www.jolet.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: [Iptables related] How to make one machine only talk on loc lan
John Jolet [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The netgear will do it. you can give it ip addresses to block. look at the schedule setups. set them up only to be able to access the internet for, say a second on sunday at 3 am, and not for the rest of the time Do you mean to bock every address on the internet? I'm not following you hear. Further I don't see an option to block ip addresses in the blocking section at all. Only by keywords. Are we looking at the same router? (here is it FVS318) I see: # Security Logs # Block Sites # Block Service # Add Service # Schedule # E-mail On left (others are below but not of interest here unless you tell me you mean some other section) I see no way to block by IP number in any of those sections. One could block by keyword and use `com' `net' `org' etc as the keywords I suppose but it seems really hackish and prone to unexpected results. No kind of control like is possible with Iptables. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Xorg.. twm not starting and terrible performance with fluxbox
Richard Fish wrote: Too many variables to answer that question...kernel versions, kernel configuration, kernel patches, frame buffer options, xorg versions, xorg patches, and so on. You could try to eliminate some of those variables by using the same kernel version .config under both. Ay! Great idea! I think I'll get the FC4 kernel sources and the .config file as well! Let's see how it goes! Thanks again! Mrugesh -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] NTFS resizing
I'm trying to resize an NTFS partition to fit Gentoo on a new laptop. As recommended by countless sources all over the Internet, I am using Knoppix Qtparted for resizing. However, QTParted complains about accounting errors in the NTFS filesystem (yes, I know that's redundant). After a little bit of Google searching, I discovered I needed to use chkdsk on Windows with the /f switch to fix the errors. Easy. Of course, chkdsk alerted me that it can't modify a running NTFS system. Okay, so I do what it recommends to me: let the checking be run after a reboot. None of this is exactly extraordinary. However, there is the slight problem that chkdsk never actually runs at start up. No bueno. Any tricks to con it into working? -Pingveno P.S. This is a Thinkpad T43 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Keeping /usr/portage/distfiles empty. Need the room. :/
Dale wrote: Hi all, I am putting Gentoo on a fairly small hard drive. I would like to clean out distfiles to save room. I would like to tell it to download the source file then delete it when the compile is finished. I looked in the make.conf.example but I didn't see anything that tells it to do that. Is there a way to do this? Thanks Dale :-) As a horrible, horrible hack, you could just write a shell script to be run by crond. I'm sure there's something better, though. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] NTFS resizing
I suposed that if the partition is in use it's because is the main partition, if not you can use the /x option for chkdsk if will force a dismount, anyway why you no resize the partition with a partition manager like partition magic. Its better and faster and course lets dangerous that making inside from linux.On 11/12/05, Pingveno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I'm trying to resize an NTFS partition to fit Gentoo on a new laptop. As recommended by countless sources all over the Internet, I am usingKnoppix Qtparted for resizing. However, QTParted complains aboutaccounting errors in the NTFS filesystem (yes, I know that's redundant). After a little bit of Google searching, I discovered I needed to usechkdsk on Windows with the /f switch to fix the errors. Easy. Of course,chkdsk alerted me that it can't modify a running NTFS system. Okay, so I do what it recommends to me: let the checking be run after a reboot.None of this is exactly extraordinary. However, there is the slightproblem that chkdsk never actually runs at start up. No bueno. Anytricks to con it into working? -PingvenoP.S. This is a Thinkpad T43--gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list-- We must agree that the beauty of a work of art will always remain a mystery, in other words, we can never be absolutely sure 'how it's made.' We must at all costs preserve this magic which is peculiar to music and to which, by its nature, music is of all arts the most receptive. -Claude Debussy-
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Keeping /usr/portage/distfiles empty. Need the room. :/
Write a wrapper for emerge. (example for updating a package): First, get the output of emerge -fup PACKAGE. Use basename to get the filename. Save that in a variable. Second, emerge -u PACKAGE (for f in $FILES; do rm -f $f; done) On Sat, 12 Nov 2005, Pingveno wrote: Dale wrote: Hi all, I am putting Gentoo on a fairly small hard drive. I would like to clean out distfiles to save room. I would like to tell it to download the source file then delete it when the compile is finished. I looked in the make.conf.example but I didn't see anything that tells it to do that. Is there a way to do this? Thanks Dale : -) As a horrible, horrible hack, you could just write a shell script to be run by crond. I'm sure there's something better, though. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] recommendatoin for a new server
Dear friends,i'm planning on buying a server for running gentoo(will b our 1st gentoo server) with a mail+dns server(1000mails/per day).i'm looking for sata raid,amd opteron around 1GB ram. has anyone built a server recently that worked?1) can anyone give me a suggestions for a good(cost-effective) server(good with gentoo). -- ...The future lies ahead. ___ Have you mooed today? \^__^ \ (oo) \___ (__) \ )\/\| |-w || || |2.6.14-gentoo-sinhalese-r1
[gentoo-user] Re: NTFS resizing
Yeah, this is the main partition. According to the web sites I have read, there should be no problem with what I'm doing, even with this being the boot partition. Here's the message I get when I run chkdsk /f: output The type of the file system is NTFS. Cannot lock current drive. Chkdsk cannot run because the volume is in use by another process. Would you like to schedule this volume to be checked the next time the system restarts? (Y/N) Y This volume will be checked the next time the system restarts. /output Yet when I restart, there is no unusual lag in the start up (which would be necessary to scan an entire hard drive). I also continue getting the message, upon running chkdsk without /f, that I need to do chkdsk /f. Weird. -Pingveno Grimaldy Soto wrote: I suposed that if the partition is in use it's because is the main partition, if not you can use the /x option for chkdsk if will force a dismount, anyway why you no resize the partition with a partition manager like partition magic. Its better and faster and course lets dangerous that making inside from linux. On 11/12/05, *Pingveno* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to resize an NTFS partition to fit Gentoo on a new laptop. As recommended by countless sources all over the Internet, I am using Knoppix Qtparted for resizing. However, QTParted complains about accounting errors in the NTFS filesystem (yes, I know that's redundant). After a little bit of Google searching, I discovered I needed to use chkdsk on Windows with the /f switch to fix the errors. Easy. Of course, chkdsk alerted me that it can't modify a running NTFS system. Okay, so I do what it recommends to me: let the checking be run after a reboot. None of this is exactly extraordinary. However, there is the slight problem that chkdsk never actually runs at start up. No bueno. Any tricks to con it into working? -Pingveno P.S. This is a Thinkpad T43 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailto:gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- We must agree that the beauty of a work of art will always remain a mystery, in other words, we can never be absolutely sure 'how it's made.' We must at all costs preserve this magic which is peculiar to music and to which, by its nature, music is of all arts the most receptive. -Claude Debussy- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] recommendatoin for a new server
built 20 blade-type servers. tyan tomkat motherboard with dual-core opteron processers and sata drives. also single-core. the single-core models ended up costing about a grand each, but 5 of them are supporting 500,000 web hits/day. On Saturday 12 November 2005 20:31, El Nino wrote: Dear friends, i'm planning on buying a server for running gentoo(will b our 1st gentoo server) with a mail+dns server(1000mails/per day). i'm looking for sata raid,amd opteron around 1GB ram. has anyone built a server recently that worked? 1) can anyone give me a suggestions for a good(cost-effective) server(good with gentoo). -- ... The future lies ahead. ___ Have you mooed today? \ ^__^ \ (oo) \___ (__) \ )\/\ | |-w | 2.6.14-gentoo-sinhalese-r1 -- John Jolet Your On-Demand IT Department 512-762-0729 www.jolet.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Keeping /usr/portage/distfiles empty. Need the room. :/
Pingveno wrote: As a horrible, horrible hack, you could just write a shell script to be run by crond. I'm sure there's something better, though. Well, right now I'm just doing a rm -rfv /usr/portage/distfiles/* every few hours. It works but it did fill up once. The system was still running but the emerge had failed. It couldn't create a directory that it needed, you know the rest. It did let me use the rm command though. I'm trying to set up a rig for my Mom. I may be moving soon and I want her to learn how to use a puter, she's in her 70's so this will be fun, we tried once before. She has trouble grasping that she moves her hand and the mouse pointer moves. o_@ Clicking is fun too. LOL Maybe I can make it without to many more crashes. At least when it crashes it doesn't bork the whole system. Poor thing. 1GHz proc and 256MBs of ram and a whimpy sized, slow as syrup hard drive. :( Somewhat off topic, what files can I safely delete in /tmp and /var ? I know not to delete the logs but some stuff is taking up some space. It sort of needs it. Thanks Dale :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia driver problem
On Sunday 13 November 2005 04:06, sempsteen wrote: Section Module # This loads the DBE extension module. Load dbe # Double buffer extension # This loads the miscellaneous extensions module, and disables # initialisation of the XFree86-DGA extension within that module. SubSection extmod Option omit xfree86-dga # don't initialise the DGA extension EndSubSection # This loads the font modules Load type1 # Load speedo Load freetype # Load xtt # This loads the GLX module Load glx # This loads the DRI module # Load dri EndSection you should also load 'ddc' Option dpms in your monitor section would be usefull, too. It would not harm you to remove the 'generic' and unneeded stuff. Makes the conf more readable. Beside of that, your conf is looking good. Did you did 'opengl-update nvidia' or 'eselect opengl set nvidia'? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Keeping /usr/portage/distfiles empty. Need the room. :/
Don't shoot me, he top posted so I assume he likes it too. Noobie alert. Take hand and with a quick motion go right over the top of your head. I did get the emerge -fup PACKAGE part though. What I was needing is this. Let's say I want to install mozilla. I issue the command, it downloads it from my local server. Then it compiles and installs it. Then it deletes the source files in /usr/portage/distfiles. If it fails to install, I don't mind it staying there then. I thought I saw this option somewhere once before but I couldn't find it. I thought maybe it was in my blind spot somewhere. Maybe not. I was hoping it was a option that I could set in make.conf or with the emerge command itself. Oh, well. It almost through installing now. Maybe I can keep it cleaned out. swifty / # df Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/hda6 3564108 2352532 1211576 67% / udev12733684127252 1% /dev /dev/hda148312 37412 10900 78% /boot none127336 0127336 0% /dev/shm swifty / # I hope she doesn't want to save a lot fo junk. LOL says prayer Dale :-) Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman wrote: Write a wrapper for emerge. (example for updating a package): First, get the output of emerge -fup PACKAGE. Use basename to get the filename. Save that in a variable. Second, emerge -u PACKAGE (for f in $FILES; do rm -f $f; done) On Sat, 12 Nov 2005, Pingveno wrote: -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: nvidia driver problem
I am by no means an expert on this subject, but any time you have an X server problem, you run startx -- :1 from a shell. This starts the X server up on virtual terminal 8. The X server starts dumping out information, which might be helpful for diagnostics. -Pingveno sempsteen wrote: Hi, I've installed the nvidia drivers by the walkthrough of Gentoo Linux nVidia Guide. Emerge installed nvidia-glx v1.0.6629-r6 and nvidia-kernel v1.0.6629-r4 with no problems and i did the necessary changes in the xorg.conf file. Then i tested my card with glxinfo | grep direct and glxgears and i got errors: glxinfo | grep direct Xlib: extension GLX missing on display :0.0. Xlib: extension GLX missing on display :0.0. Xlib: extension GLX missing on display :0.0. Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual Xlib: extension GLX missing on display :0.0. Xlib: extension GLX missing on display :0.0. Xlib: extension GLX missing on display :0.0. Xlib: extension GLX missing on display :0.0. glxgears Xlib: extension GLX missing on display :0.0. glxgears: Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual. Also after a restart gdm couln't start with a X server error: Failed to start the X server (your graphical interface). It is likely that it is not set up correctly... I searched the net but couldn't find a solution yet. Please help me to solve this problem, thanks. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] recommendatoin for a new server
On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 08:31:10 +0600 El Nino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'm looking for sata raid,amd opteron around 1GB ram. I wouldn't worry about whether it's parallel or sata raid. If you need high i/o it needs to be SCSI. Otherwise either IDE or SATA works fine with little difference in performance between the two. Also, IDE/SATA drives will need to be replaced at a higher rate than SCSI drives. Just a fact of life. has anyone built a server recently that worked? 1) can anyone give me a suggestions for a good(cost-effective) server(good with gentoo). I've been using a Penguin computing 1U for almost 2 years now. And I run a home built dual Opteron - Tyan Thunder motherboard. Stay away from MSI and ASUS if reliability is a major concern. So far the only real problem has been one Opteron having a flakey memory controller. Only fails on specific things - emerging nvidia-glx/kernel. Replacing both cpus next week. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [Iptables related] How to make one machine only talk on loc lan
On Sat, Nov 12, 2005 at 06:56:46PM -0600, Harry Putnam wrote: Do you mean to bock every address on the internet? I'm not following you hear. Further I don't see an option to block ip addresses in the blocking section at all. Only by keywords. Yes, the netgear will do it. My crappy netgear router will, so your much higher end machines will too. Are we looking at the same router? (here is it FVS318) I see: # Security Logs # Block Sites # Block Service This is the one. Block service allow you to specify which LOCAL ip addresses you want to limit the service for. Just set up static ip for machines 3-5 (or DHCP with fixed ip addresses for those machines based on hardware address). Set the blocking schedule to always. For ALL services you find in the list, supply the ips for those three machines. W -- The last time anybody made a list of the top hundred character attributes of New Yorkers, common sense snuck in at number 79. When it's fall in New York, the air smells as if someone's been frying goats in it, and if you are keen to breathe the best plan is to open a window and stick your head in a building. - Nuff said?? Sortir en Pantoufles: up 20:10 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia driver problem
On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 05:06:12 +0200 sempsteen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I've installed the nvidia drivers by the walkthrough of Gentoo Linux nVidia Guide. Emerge installed nvidia-glx v1.0.6629-r6 and nvidia-kernel v1.0.6629-r4 with no problems and i did the necessary changes in the xorg.conf file. Then i tested my card with glxinfo | grep direct and glxgears and i got errors: Well, your /etc/X11/xorg.conf looks fine, but the log shows that the glx module was not loaded. Did you reboot after the emerge? I suggest trying the following logged in as root - mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.2D cd $home /etc/init.d/xdm stop From the console - X -confgure vi/nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf - Change - /dev/mouse to /dev/misc/psaux (or whatever your favorite is) - Comment out load dri Then do (X will tell you what the proper command line is at the end of configure) - X -file /root/xorg.conf.new If X comes up, exit out, cp /root/xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg/conf /etc/init.d/xdm start You may need to change or add a mode line to get the resolution you want and add a - DefaultDepth 24 to - Section Screen But it should load glx with no problem. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia driver problem
On Sun, Nov 13, 2005 at 05:06:12AM +0200, sempsteen wrote: (II) LoadModule: nv (II) Loading /usr/lib/modules/drivers/nv_drv.o (II) Module nv: vendor=X.Org Foundation compiled for 6.8.2, module version = 1.0.1 Module class: X.Org Video Driver ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 0.7 (II) NV: driver for NVIDIA chipsets: RIVA 128, RIVA TNT, RIVA TNT2, Unknown TNT2, Vanta, RIVA TNT2 Ultra, RIVA TNT2 Model 64, Aladdin TNT2, GeForce 256, GeForce DDR, Quadro, GeForce2 MX/MX 400, Which xorg configuration is this? Whichever it is, it is not the one used by Xorg given the error logs. The above states that it is loading module nv, which is the xorg driver for nvidia chipsets. If you are using the nvidia driver, it should say: (II) LoadModule: nvidia (II) Loading /usr/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so (II) Module nvidia: vendor=NVIDIA Corporation compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.7676 Module class: XFree86 Video Driver (II) NVIDIA dlloader X Driver 1.0-7676 Fri Jul 29 13:00:04 PDT 2005 (II) NVIDIA Unified Driver for all NVIDIA GPUs (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0 (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device (--) Chipset NVIDIA GPU found .. check to make sure the xorg configuration you posted below is the same one at /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and that the error log above is from the failed attempt at starting X. My Xorg configuration # ** # Graphics device section # ** # Any number of graphics device sections may be present # Standard VGA Device: Section Device Identifier Standard VGA VendorName Unknown BoardName Unknown # The chipset line is optional in most cases. It can be used to override # the driver's chipset detection, and should not normally be specified. # Chipset generic # The Driver line must be present. When using run-time loadable driver # modules, this line instructs the server to load the specified driver # module. Even when not using loadable driver modules, this line # indicates which driver should interpret the information in this section. Driver vga # The BusID line is used to specify which of possibly multiple devices # this section is intended for. When this line isn't present, a device # section can only match up with the primary video device. For PCI # devices a line like the following could be used. This line should not # normally be included unless there is more than one video device # intalled. # BusID PCI:0:10:0 # VideoRam 256 # Clocks 25.2 28.3 EndSection # Device configured by xorgconfig: Section Device Identifier TNT2 Driver nvidia #VideoRam 16384 # Insert Clocks lines here if appropriate EndSection W -- I'm going to do this in more stupid fashion in a moment. ~DeathMech, S. Sondhi. P-town PHY 205 Sortir en Pantoufles: up 20:18 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia driver problem
On Sunday 13 Nov 2005 8:36 am, sempsteen wrote: snip # ** # Module section -- this section is used to specify # which dynamically loadable modules to load. # ** # Section Module ... # Load dri EndSection ... # Section DRI # Mode 0666 # EndSection AFAIK these sections should be uncommented i relevant sections to load dri module and set required permissions. Also put the user in video group. Abhay pgpTFu0S3lkyN.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: NTFS resizing
On Sunday 13 Nov 2005 8:43 am, Pingveno wrote: Yeah, this is the main partition. According to the web sites I have read, there should be no problem with what I'm doing, even with this being the boot partition. Here's the message I get when I run chkdsk /f: output The type of the file system is NTFS. Cannot lock current drive. Chkdsk cannot run because the volume is in use by another process. Would you like to schedule this volume to be checked the next time the system restarts? (Y/N) Y This volume will be checked the next time the system restarts. /output Yet when I restart, there is no unusual lag in the start up (which would be necessary to scan an entire hard drive). I also continue getting the message, upon running chkdsk without /f, that I need to do chkdsk /f. Weird. -Pingveno Looks like some how dirty bit setting has been disabled on your drive which is essential for running chkdsk at boot time. Try running fsutil to query/set the dirty bit on your drive. To read more about fsutil head here http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/windowsserver2003/library/ServerHelp/740cb38b-66dc-41e2-9f0b-7f2816c7c2ca.mspx Abhay pgp6fm52PHnLI.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] looking for wireless technology
dear friends, i have a 128kbps Internet connection to my home now i want give access to my college friends to it. (i already have two running squid+firewall gentoo servers) I'm looking for wireless technology to do this. all friends are within 1km. can anyone give me a solution to do this? all advices are warmly welcome... -- ... The future lies ahead. ___ Have you mooed today? \^__^ \ (oo) \___ (__) \ )\/\ | |-w | | || | 2.6.14-gentoo-sinhalese-r1 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia driver problem
On Sunday 13 November 2005 05:13, abhay wrote: On Sunday 13 Nov 2005 8:36 am, sempsteen wrote: snip # ** # Module section -- this section is used to specify # which dynamically loadable modules to load. # ** # Section Module ... # Load dri EndSection ... # Section DRI # Mode 0666 # EndSection AFAIK these sections should be uncommented i relevant sections to load dri module and set required permissions. Also put the user in video group. Abhay you are so totally wrong... no. dri has to be removed and the stuff at the end to be removed or commented out. So he got that correct. DRI is for Ati users and other poor sods. Please read the nvidia README -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Printer configuration for Flash
Hum, does anyway know how to set up the printer configuration for the Macromedia Flash plugin? Someone wrote a nifty flash page from which he offered a print button to print the content generated. Unfortunately, it seems to only want to send the job to lpr, without an option to print to file. Right clicking on the flash widget doesn't help, since the Setup option isn't very well done. Two problems are encountered: 1) I don't have a printer on this box. cupsd was left over from a long time ago when I did. So lpr really wouldn't do any good. It would be nice if I could print to file and copy it to be printed elsewhere. 2) Even if I do have a printer, the print command still won't work, since there kept popping up an error: lpr: error - unknown option ''! I assume there was an environmental variable the plugin is reading, possibly in trying to determine which printer to print to, and that included passing a single-quote enclosed string to lpr Temporarily I have the problem solved in a very non-elegant way: I replaced /usr/bin/lpr with a stub entry that is basically a shellscript that calls 'cat' and dumps the output to a file in /tmp But I hope there is a better solution... Thanks, W -- In this course we will of course make use of God's Units, namely h-bar = c = 1 but occasionally I will indulge myself in my personal addition to those units, in the form of 2 = -1 = pi = i = 1 please feel free to interject whenever you feel confused, and I will make my best effort to clarify things. ~Prof. Herman Verlinde explaining the things. PHY 509, Intro to QFT, first lecture 09-12-03 Sortir en Pantoufles: up 21:40 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Creating RAID devices - udev question
On Sunday 13 November 2005 01:49, Brian Parish wrote: I am trying to add a software RAID 5 disk set to an existing machine installed using genkernel. All the RAID support is compiled into the kernel, but no /dev/md? device files exist. I can create these using mknod and make the RAID, but they don't survive a reboot. How do I tell udev to create these files as persistant devices? All partitions in the RAID set need to be set to partition type fd (Linux raid autodetect), then the kernel will build the arrays during startup. -- Mike Williams -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] looking for wireless technology
On Sun, Nov 13, 2005 at 11:02:09AM +0600, El Nino wrote: i have a 128kbps Internet connection to my home now i want give access to my college friends to it. (i already have two running squid+firewall gentoo servers) I'm looking for wireless technology to do this. all friends are within 1km. A noble pursuit, but I doubt it could be done easily... AFAIK IEEE802.11 is mostly reliable only for clients within 100 meters. Unless you live on the top of a hill with wide open space all around you for kilometers, I doubt you'd get coverage all the way out of 1 kilometer. And if someone happened to be using wireless on neighboring frequency bands to the one you are using, and if that someone happened to be physically closer to your friend than you are, there's almost no hope in establishing a connection... Of course, you could mean wireless other than 802.11, but I don't think IP over carrier pigeons or bongo drums[1] would do you much good either. If you have line-of-sight, you might be able to make do with a pair of directional antennae set up in the right way, and you might need a way of increasing the power output of the antennae. Any such modifications, however, is surely ILLEGAL in most civilized municipalities. The long-range wireless guys who have been doing stuff like this all have ham licenses, and are allowed quite a bit more power from their devices then us lowly consumers Best W can anyone give me a solution to do this? all advices are warmly welcome... [1] http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20030929-2886.html -- This one's a bitummm...graphic? Lagrangian Mechanics with Differential Equations is like masturbating. You do what works and what makes you feel good. ~DeathMech, Some Student. P-town PHY 205 Sortir en Pantoufles: up 21:59 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: NTFS resizing
abhay wrote: On Sunday 13 Nov 2005 8:43 am, Pingveno wrote: Yeah, this is the main partition. According to the web sites I have read, there should be no problem with what I'm doing, even with this being the boot partition. Here's the message I get when I run chkdsk /f: output The type of the file system is NTFS. Cannot lock current drive. Chkdsk cannot run because the volume is in use by another process. Would you like to schedule this volume to be checked the next time the system restarts? (Y/N) Y This volume will be checked the next time the system restarts. /output Yet when I restart, there is no unusual lag in the start up (which would be necessary to scan an entire hard drive). I also continue getting the message, upon running chkdsk without /f, that I need to do chkdsk /f. Weird. -Pingveno Looks like some how dirty bit setting has been disabled on your drive which is essential for running chkdsk at boot time. Try running fsutil to query/set the dirty bit on your drive. To read more about fsutil head here http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/windowsserver2003/library/ServerHelp/740cb38b-66dc-41e2-9f0b-7f2816c7c2ca.mspx Abhay Strange. Even when I set the dirty bit and restart, no check was done. I think it's time to call up IBM. Maybe one of their wonderful contraptions is stopping chkdsk at startup _ -Pingveno -Pingveno -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: [Iptables related] How to make one machine only talk on loc lan
John Jolet [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Saturday 12 November 2005 18:56, Harry Putnam wrote: John Jolet [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The netgear will do it. you can give it ip addresses to block. look at the schedule setups. set them up only to be able to access the internet for, say a second on sunday at 3 am, and not for the rest of the time Do you mean to bock every address on the internet? I'm not following you hear. Further I don't see an option to block ip addresses in the blocking section at all. Only by keywords. Are we looking at the same router? (here is it FVS318) I see: # Security Logs # Block Sites # Block Service # Add Service # Schedule here. you set a schedule, then limit certain ip addresses to access only at certain times...you make the time slice small enough, you've effectively blocked them. # E-mail Willie Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: # Block Service This is the one. Block service allow you to specify which LOCAL ip addresses you want to limit the service for. Just set up static ip for machines 3-5 (or DHCP with fixed ip addresses for those machines based on hardware address). Set the blocking schedule to always. For ALL services you find in the list, supply the ips for those three machines. Apparently you too are not looking at the router I've specified: NETGEAR FVS318 In the schedule section there is only one place to put an IP address and that is for an ntp server if you want one. http://home.jtan.com/~reader/exp/web_ready/dispimg.cgi -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Creating RAID devices - udev question
On 11/12/05, Mike Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 13 November 2005 01:49, Brian Parish wrote: I am trying to add a software RAID 5 disk set to an existing machine installed using genkernel. All the RAID support is compiled into the kernel, but no /dev/md? device files exist. I can create these using mknod and make the RAID, but they don't survive a reboot. How do I tell udev to create these files as persistant devices? All partitions in the RAID set need to be set to partition type fd (Linux raid autodetect), then the kernel will build the arrays during startup. FYI, this is only true if the raid drivers are compiled into the kernel (no modules), and you do _not_ use an initramfs to boot the system. If you use an initramfs, the kernel skips the autodetection of raid arrays. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Creating RAID devices - udev question
On Sunday 13 November 2005 17:23, Richard Fish wrote: On 11/12/05, Mike Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 13 November 2005 01:49, Brian Parish wrote: I am trying to add a software RAID 5 disk set to an existing machine installed using genkernel. All the RAID support is compiled into the kernel, but no /dev/md? device files exist. I can create these using mknod and make the RAID, but they don't survive a reboot. How do I tell udev to create these files as persistant devices? All partitions in the RAID set need to be set to partition type fd (Linux raid autodetect), then the kernel will build the arrays during startup. FYI, this is only true if the raid drivers are compiled into the kernel (no modules), and you do _not_ use an initramfs to boot the system. If you use an initramfs, the kernel skips the autodetection of raid arrays. -Richard I did and it does (skip that is). Thanks again Richard. Brian -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] recommendatoin for a new server
El Nino wrote: Dear friends, i'm planning on buying a server for running gentoo(will b our 1st gentoo server) with a mail+dns server(1000mails/per day). i'm looking for sata raid,amd opteron around 1GB ram. has anyone built a server recently that worked? 1) can anyone give me a suggestions for a good(cost-effective) server(good with gentoo). I ebay'ed a nice HP DL360 recently as my new personal server with some break even paid web hosting. Dual 3.0Ghz Xeons, 4GB RAM, RAID card, and two 73GB 10k SCSI drives. $1500. kashani -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Is a wiki what I'm after?
On November 11, 2005 11:33 pm Andrew Lowe was like: A wiki is one of the first things to come to mind. I'm contemplating setting a wiki up on my trusty little firewall/email/squid/dns server, scanning the clipping, creating an entry in the wiki, placing, By all means consider using your 'puter to help with your filing. The wiki might well be a good idea. However please don't underestimate the power of your memory. One technique that I sometimes find useful is to collect things based on criteria that are apparently irrelevant to what I am doing, but appeal to the senses. For instance I might, in your situation, sort the material based on arbitrary criteria, such as Can I see an indoor plant in this photo? or Does this text mention the eating of food? by remembering one thing about the document you stand a good chance of remembering the other things, and you will also stand a good chance of remembering where you put it. Decorate the files and boxes too. The decorations don't necessarily have to be relevant. Wallpaper scraps, colourful pictures of animals, unusual handwriting - whatever it takes to get the stuff through your visual cortex or your fingers and to get your memory working the way it wants to. Of course different techniques may work better for you. Go to the library and get a book or two on improving your memory, clutter reduction, whatever. Use the ones that help and ditch the ones that don't. Find what works for you. Then, if you still need to, set up an electronic database that thinks the way you like to. Robert -- Robert Persson Don't use nuclear weapons to troubleshoot faults. (US Air Force Instruction 91-111, 1 Oct 1997) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
