[gentoo-user] couple of newbie questions about emerge
Hi. I am new to gentoo -- I have used Debian and rpm type distributions, but I have a fewquestions about emerge. 1) Any way to get a package list as one line per package like debian's dpkg -l or rpm's rpm -qa ? The --info gives info about the system, but does not seem to give a list of packages. 2) How do I ensure that all dependencies of a package are updated -- does --update --deep do this and would --update --deep world or system do this? 3) Where are the packages listed for system? For instance I installed coldplug and it installed pciutils, but that package is not listed in world -- should it be? Or is it a system package? OK, that's it for now -- thanks much in advance for your help. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] couple of newbie questions about emerge
John covici wrote: Hi. I am new to gentoo -- I have used Debian and rpm type distributions, but I have a fewquestions about emerge. 1) Any way to get a package list as one line per package like debian's dpkg -l or rpm's rpm -qa ? The --info gives info about the system, but does not seem to give a list of packages. equery list will do that I think. emerge gentoolkit to get that command, if you haven't already. 2) How do I ensure that all dependencies of a package are updated -- does --update --deep do this and would --update --deep world or system do this? Yup, emerge -uvD world should do that. Actually, that is how I update mine too. It has worked so far. There is some debate about it though. Some leave out the -D part. 3) Where are the packages listed for system? For instance I installed coldplug and it installed pciutils, but that package is not listed in world -- should it be? Or is it a system package? I'll give a example. If you emerge Seamonkey. It will pull in a few to a lot of dependencies. Only Seamonkey will be listed in world though. The name of the package you actually put in the emerge command is listed in the world file, not all the dependencies. The -D in the update should take care of those though as far as keeping them updated. OK, that's it for now -- thanks much in advance for your help. You welcome. I hope I helped. Dale :-) :-) :-) -- www.myspace.com/dalek1967 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] couple of newbie questions about emerge
John covici wrote: Hi. I am new to gentoo -- I have used Debian and rpm type distributions, but I have a fewquestions about emerge. 1) Any way to get a package list as one line per package like debian's dpkg -l or rpm's rpm -qa ? The --info gives info about the system, but does not seem to give a list of packages. 2) How do I ensure that all dependencies of a package are updated -- does --update --deep do this and would --update --deep world or system do this? 3) Where are the packages listed for system? For instance I installed coldplug and it installed pciutils, but that package is not listed in world -- should it be? Or is it a system package? OK, that's it for now -- thanks much in advance for your help. 1) emerge -ep world should list all currently installed packages 2) yes, emerge -uD world keeps your system up-todate 3) emerge -ep system gives you the base system packages. In the example you gave pciutils is installed as a depandecy. Following this case if yu decide to uninstall coldplug ( emerge -C coldplug) then pciutils would remain in your system as an orphaned package. Use emerge --depclean to remove such packages. I'm kindly recommending you to read *man emerge*, man portage, man make.conf. -- Best regards, Daniel -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] couple of newbie questions about emerge
Dale ha scritto: John covici wrote: Hi. I am new to gentoo -- I have used Debian and rpm type distributions, but I have a fewquestions about emerge. 1) Any way to get a package list as one line per package like debian's dpkg -l or rpm's rpm -qa ? The --info gives info about the system, but does not seem to give a list of packages. equery list will do that I think. emerge gentoolkit to get that command, if you haven't already. Also, emerge eix and use eix to search for packages. eix will become one of your best friend :), mostly because it's damn FAST. If you use it, sync portage by doing eix-sync: this launches emerge --sync AND updates the eix database. m. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] QT4's qtconfig
Hi! Funny situation. I have ~amd64 Gentoo machine, and two slotted Qt are installed: eix -e qt [I] x11-libs/qt Available versions: (3) 3.3.4-r8 3.3.6-r4 (~)3.3.6-r5 (4) 4.1.4-r2 (~)4.2.1 (~)4.2.2 Installed versions: 3.3.6-r5(3)(03:23:16 AM 12/24/2006)(cups debug doc examples -firebird gif -immqt -immqt-bc ipv6 mysql -nas -nis -odbc opengl -postgres sqlite -xinerama) 4.2.2(4)(01:02:41 PM 01/07/2007)(accessibility cups -dbus debug doc examples -firebird gif -glib -input_devices_wacom jpeg -mng mysql -nas -nis -odbc opengl -pch png -postgres -qt3support sqlite -sqlite3 -xinerama zlib) My aim was to set default font for Qt4 applications. I have tried to find Qt4's 'qtconfig' and discovered: there is *the only* 'qtconfig' in my system. And it is /usr/qt/3/bin/qtconfig, i.e. for Qt3 (I have scanned /usr recursively). OK, I have reinstalled Qt4 - nothing changed. Is it for me only? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] couple of newbie questions about emerge
OK, thanks guys this get me going -- I think I will emerge the toolkit and see what that gives me. on Sunday 01/07/2007 Daniel Iliev([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote John covici wrote: Hi. I am new to gentoo -- I have used Debian and rpm type distributions, but I have a fewquestions about emerge. 1) Any way to get a package list as one line per package like debian's dpkg -l or rpm's rpm -qa ? The --info gives info about the system, but does not seem to give a list of packages. 2) How do I ensure that all dependencies of a package are updated -- does --update --deep do this and would --update --deep world or system do this? 3) Where are the packages listed for system? For instance I installed coldplug and it installed pciutils, but that package is not listed in world -- should it be? Or is it a system package? OK, that's it for now -- thanks much in advance for your help. 1) emerge -ep world should list all currently installed packages 2) yes, emerge -uD world keeps your system up-todate 3) emerge -ep system gives you the base system packages. In the example you gave pciutils is installed as a depandecy. Following this case if yu decide to uninstall coldplug ( emerge -C coldplug) then pciutils would remain in your system as an orphaned package. Use emerge --depclean to remove such packages. I'm kindly recommending you to read *man emerge*, man portage, man make.conf. -- Best regards, Daniel -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] QT4's qtconfig
On Sunday 07 January 2007 12:29, Andrew Gaydenko wrote: Hi! Funny situation. I have ~amd64 Gentoo machine, and two slotted Qt are installed: eix -e qt [I] x11-libs/qt Available versions: (3) 3.3.4-r8 3.3.6-r4 (~)3.3.6-r5 (4) 4.1.4-r2 (~)4.2.1 (~)4.2.2 Installed versions: 3.3.6-r5(3)(03:23:16 AM 12/24/2006)(cups debug doc examples -firebird gif -immqt -immqt-bc ipv6 mysql -nas -nis -odbc opengl -postgres sqlite -xinerama) 4.2.2(4)(01:02:41 PM 01/07/2007)(accessibility cups -dbus debug doc examples -firebird gif -glib -input_devices_wacom jpeg -mng mysql -nas -nis -odbc opengl -pch png -postgres -qt3support sqlite -sqlite3 -xinerama zlib) My aim was to set default font for Qt4 applications. I have tried to find Qt4's 'qtconfig' and discovered: there is *the only* 'qtconfig' in my system. And it is /usr/qt/3/bin/qtconfig, i.e. for Qt3 (I have scanned /usr recursively). OK, I have reinstalled Qt4 - nothing changed. Is it for me only? Hello, I have also slotted installation of qt (3.3.6-r4 and 4.1.4-r2) on ~x86. There are two versions of qtconfig on my system : /usr/qt/3/bin/qtconfig /usr/bin/qtconfig (this belongs to qt-4.x.x) What about equery f =x11-libs/qt-4.1.4-r2 | grep qtconfig ? -- Petr Uzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 101606095 Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] PAM problem
Hi all, and a happy nerw year! My problem with PAM has several manifestations: 1/ I cannot login as root (I know I should not do that btw): Login incorrect (but I know my root password!) 2/ Using sudo su as a user: 12:32 [EMAIL PROTECTED] /home/jean % sudo su Password: su : Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info. (Ignoré) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/jean]# 3/ So I can do *some* admin jobs, but *not all;* specifically I cannot create a new user: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/jean]# useradd jojo useradd : échec de la méthode d'authentification PAM (ie, the pam auth method fails) I guess it is the same problem causing these behaviours, but am far from being an expert on that, so any help will be welcome! TIA -- Jean Magnan de Bornier |Cours Victor Hugo e-mots: jean at bornier.net|13980 Alleins France T 08 70 39 34 03 |P 06 09 17 35 87 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] QT4's qtconfig
Andrew writes: My aim was to set default font for Qt4 applications. I have tried to find Qt4's 'qtconfig' and discovered: there is *the only* 'qtconfig' in my system. And it is /usr/qt/3/bin/qtconfig, i.e. for Qt3 (I have scanned /usr recursively). OK, I have reinstalled Qt4 - nothing changed. Is it for me only? Strange. I have /usr/bin/qtconfig, belonging to x11-libs/qt-4.1.4-r2. Alex -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] QT4's qtconfig
Have tried also, there isn't: equery f =x11-libs/qt-4.2.2 | grep qtconfig /usr/share/doc/qt-4.2.2/html/images/qtconfig-appearance.png /usr/share/doc/qt-4.2.2/html/qtconfig.html There *is* a tool's help, the tool is absent only :-) === On Sunday 07 January 2007 14:43, Petr Uzel wrote: === Hello, I have also slotted installation of qt (3.3.6-r4 and 4.1.4-r2) on ~x86. There are two versions of qtconfig on my system : /usr/qt/3/bin/qtconfig /usr/bin/qtconfig (this belongs to qt-4.x.x) What about equery f =x11-libs/qt-4.1.4-r2 | grep qtconfig ? -- Petr Uzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ : 101606095 Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] QT4's qtconfig
Probably somebody has (unstable) 4.2.2 installed... The thing is, v.4.2.2 is the first Qt4 installation on this machine. If anybody has 4.2.2 - please, verify '/usr/bin/qtconfig' belongs to *this* version. === On Sunday 07 January 2007 14:52, Alex Schuster wrote: === Strange. I have /usr/bin/qtconfig, belonging to x11-libs/qt-4.1.4-r2. Alex -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] PAM problem
Jean Magnan de Bornier wrote: Hi all, and a happy nerw year! My problem with PAM has several manifestations: 1/ I cannot login as root (I know I should not do that btw): Login incorrect (but I know my root password!) 2/ Using sudo su as a user: 12:32 [EMAIL PROTECTED] /home/jean % sudo su Password: su : Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info. (Ignoré) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/jean]# 3/ So I can do *some* admin jobs, but *not all;* specifically I cannot create a new user: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/jean]# useradd jojo useradd : échec de la méthode d'authentification PAM (ie, the pam auth method fails) I guess it is the same problem causing these behaviours, but am far from being an expert on that, so any help will be welcome! TIA As I see it, you have to: - boot from a CD - mount your gentoo - chroot into it - change root password by passwd - reinstall pam by emerge -1 sys-libs/pam Note that the last step requires a working connection to The Internet. -- Best regards, Daniel -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] QT4's qtconfig
On Sunday 07 January 2007 14:03, Andrew Gaydenko wrote: Probably somebody has (unstable) 4.2.2 installed... The thing is, v.4.2.2 is the first Qt4 installation on this machine. If anybody has 4.2.2 - please, verify '/usr/bin/qtconfig' belongs to *this* version. === On Sunday 07 January 2007 14:52, Alex Schuster wrote: === Strange. I have /usr/bin/qtconfig, belonging to x11-libs/qt-4.1.4-r2. Alex I still have qt-4.2.2 on my x86_64 equery f =x11-libs/qt-4.2.2 | grep qtconfig /usr/bin/qtconfig and it launches nice gui to tweak setings martins -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] QT4's qtconfig
Will you please tell me used USE flags for qt-4.2.2? === On Sunday 07 January 2007 15:32, Martins wrote: === ... I still have qt-4.2.2 on my x86_64 equery f =x11-libs/qt-4.2.2 | grep qtconfig /usr/bin/qtconfig and it launches nice gui to tweak setings martins -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] QT4's qtconfig
On Sunday 07 January 2007 14:52, Andrew Gaydenko wrote: Will you please tell me used USE flags for qt-4.2.2? === On Sunday 07 January 2007 15:32, Martins wrote: === ... I still have qt-4.2.2 on my x86_64 equery f =x11-libs/qt-4.2.2 | grep qtconfig /usr/bin/qtconfig and it launches nice gui to tweak setings martins from eix -s qt: 4.2.2(4)(09:07:11 2006.12.09.)(-accessibility cups dbus -debug -doc -examples -firebird gif -glib -input_devices_wacom jpeg -mng mysql -nas -nis odbc opengl -pch png postgres qt3support sqlite -sqlite3 -xinerama zlib) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] QT4's qtconfig
Martins, Thanks! - will play. === On Sunday 07 January 2007 16:20, Martins wrote: === ... from eix -s qt: 4.2.2(4)(09:07:11 2006.12.09.)(-accessibility cups dbus -debug -doc -examples -firebird gif -glib -input_devices_wacom jpeg -mng mysql -nas -nis odbc opengl -pch png postgres qt3support sqlite -sqlite3 -xinerama zlib) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] PAM problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Daniel Iliev wrote: - reinstall pam by emerge -1 sys-libs/pam Note that the last step requires a working connection to The Internet. Only if the required files are not present in /usr/portage/distfiles. - -- Arturo Buanzo Busleiman - Consultor Independiente en Seguridad Informatica ¿No sabés a dónde ir a comer o tomar algo? Visitá www.vivamoslavida.com.ar -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFoPysAlpOsGhXcE0RAol5AJ4/UQZa0/dgkj3ZhrvpfNziQlUkZgCeJ4+0 qnK1PPdWSf45/eUchCpAGQE= =ngiv -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] QT4's qtconfig - SOLVED
To be built, 'qtconfig' needs 'qt3support' USE flag be turned on. === On Sunday 07 January 2007 16:20, Martins wrote: === ... from eix -s qt: 4.2.2(4)(09:07:11 2006.12.09.)(-accessibility cups dbus -debug -doc -examples -firebird gif -glib -input_devices_wacom jpeg -mng mysql -nas -nis odbc opengl -pch png postgres qt3support sqlite -sqlite3 -xinerama zlib) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] couple of newbie questions about emerge
On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 03:21:14 -0500, John covici wrote: 1) Any way to get a package list as one line per package like debian's dpkg -l or rpm's rpm -qa ? The --info gives info about the system, but does not seem to give a list of packages. equery, as already mentioned, or eix with the -i and -c options. 2) How do I ensure that all dependencies of a package are updated -- does --update --deep do this and would --update --deep world or system do this? Lets say A depends on B which in turn depends on C. emerge --update world will update A and B, but not C unless A or B's updates REQUIRE a layer C. Adding --deep will update C too (and D,E,F...) 3) Where are the packages listed for system? For instance I installed coldplug and it installed pciutils, but that package is not listed in world -- should it be? Or is it a system package? In your profile. the easiest way to list them is with emerge -ep system. Emerging coldplug added it to your world file (/var/lib/portage/world). pciutils was installed as a dependency, so it is not listed in world (or system). If you uninstall coldplug (and any other packages depending on pciutils) emerge --depclean will remove pciutils , always use the -p option with depclean first. -- Neil Bothwick Did you hear about the blind prostitute? You have to hand it to her. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] couple of newbie questions about emerge
Daniel Iliev schrieb: 2) yes, emerge -uD world keeps your system up-todate emerge -uDN world also takes care of newly added or removed USE-flags. Norman -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] net-libs/wvstreams-4.2.2-r2 failed [linuxstreams/wvinterface.o] Error 1
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 00:31:32 -0600, Dale wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # uname -r 2.6.18-gentoo-r6 [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # equery list linux-headers [ Searching for package 'linux-headers' in all categories among: ] * installed packages [I--] [ -] sys-kernel/linux-headers-2.6.17-r2 (0) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # I have and am running a 2.6.18 kernel but there is no 2.6.18 version of linux-headers. I'm pretty clueless on this but something looks . . . . fishy. ;-) You do not need to be running the same version of kernel and headers, this is often the case. But you must not run a later headers than your kernel, I'm not surprised things broke with a 2.6.18 kernel and 2.6.19 headers. -- Neil Bothwick The facts, although interesting, are usually irrelevant. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Vixie-Cron /bin/sh: root: command not found
Hi Richard, thank you for your reply, I will look at these more closely as for the moment I have not set a user specific cron, I am just using the root to run these. All I did was follow the tutorial, perhaps I have missed some points ;( Cheers Norman Richard Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/5/07, norman wrote: Hello, I am running vixie-cron, but am unable to figure out what this is all about, I have followed the http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/cron-guide.xml But on the report email, I only get on the email, the following: /bin/sh: root: command not found Here is my /etc/crontab That's the system crontab, which should have a user field in it. How about your user-specific crontab from /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ ? That should *not* have a user field in it AFAIK. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [gentoo-user] QT4's qtconfig
Andrew Gaydenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Probably somebody has (unstable) 4.2.2 installed... The thing is, v.4.2.2 is the first Qt4 installation on this machine. If anybody has 4.2.2 - please, verify '/usr/bin/qtconfig' belongs to *this* version. On my ~x86 system I have qt-3.3.6-r5 and qt-4.2.2 installed and the only qtconfig I have is /usr/qt/3/bin/qtconfig. I do not have /usr/bin/qtconfig at all. x11-libs/qt-4.2.2 USE=cups dbus doc examples gif glib jpeg mng opengl png postgres sqlite zlib -accessibility -debug -firebird -mysql -nas -nis -odbc -pch -qt3support -sqlite3 -xinerama INPUT_DEVICES=-wacom -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] QT4's qtconfig
As I have wrote, 'qtconfig' demands 'qt3support' flag. === On Sunday 07 January 2007 18:57, Graham Murray wrote: === Andrew Gaydenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Probably somebody has (unstable) 4.2.2 installed... The thing is, v.4.2.2 is the first Qt4 installation on this machine. If anybody has 4.2.2 - please, verify '/usr/bin/qtconfig' belongs to *this* version. On my ~x86 system I have qt-3.3.6-r5 and qt-4.2.2 installed and the only qtconfig I have is /usr/qt/3/bin/qtconfig. I do not have /usr/bin/qtconfig at all. x11-libs/qt-4.2.2 USE=cups dbus doc examples gif glib jpeg mng opengl png postgres sqlite zlib -accessibility -debug -firebird -mysql -nas -nis -odbc -pch -qt3support -sqlite3 -xinerama INPUT_DEVICES=-wacom -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Init scripts waiting for deps in progress
I have the following set of init stuff: net.wireless depends on ipw3945d ntp-client depends on net net.wireless automagically starts when the interface wireless appears net.wireless is in the boot runlevel When I boot the computer, it starts ipw3945d before net.wireless, but not in time for the wireless interface to appear before it tries to start net.wireless. Moments later, the interface appears, and it runs net.wireless again, asynchronously, and it spends a while starting up (it has to find the correct network, and dhcp, etc). While net.wireless is starting up, the system synchronously starts ntp-client, which attempts to start net.wireless; this fails (it's already starting), and so ntp-client fails. Then the asynchronous net.wireless finishes starting, and I have network, but no ntp-client. Is there some way to teach start-stop-daemon that, if a dependancy fails because it is already starting up, this means you should wait for it, not give up? The other stuff is a bit odd, but ultimately harmless, aside from the fact that stuff gets confused by this situation. -Daniel *This .sig left intentionally blank* -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] bash_completion
On Sun, Jan 07, 2007 at 12:19:58AM +, Penguin Lover Mike Williams squawked: On Sunday 07 January 2007 00:03, Jorge Almeida wrote: Always using that much resources? That doesn't sound right. What completions were you trying when it freezes up? Something trivial: less README (it froze at RE) bash itself autocompletes filenames by default. Try turning off bash-completion and try that again, on the exact same file. Well... that's not exactly true. The bash_completion scripts add some intelligence to it. For example, if I type mplayer tabtab in my home directory, it will only show all sub-directories (including hidden ones) and files with proper secondary filenames (the REGEXP for the file endings that it accepts are (mp?(e)g|MP?(E)G|wm[av]|WM[AV]|avi|AVI|asf|ASF|vob|VOB|bin|BIN|dat|DAT|vcd|VCD|ps|PS|pes|PES|fli|FLI|viv|VIV|rm?(j)|RM?(J)|ra?(m)|RA?(M)|yuv|YUV|mov|MOV|qt|QT|mp[34]|MP[34]|og[gm]|OG[GM]|wav|WAV|dump|DUMP|mkv|MKV|m4a|M4A|aac|AAC|m2v|M2V|dv|DV|mid|MID|ts|TS) You can look at /etc/bash_completion to see what programs have their behaviours modified. On the other hand, the only mention of 'less' in /etc/bash_completion /etc/bash_completion.d/gentoo is the line telling bash that, when you type less -tabtab it will fill in a second dash and show the list of long options. W -- Cogito Eggo Sum, I think I am from Waffle. (dative/ablative) Sortir en Pantoufles: up 30 days, 15:20 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] alsa-driver
On Friday 05 January 2007 16:44, Christoph Eckert wrote: In the case of some drivers (such as intel hd audio) I have found the userspace drivers to be far superior to the kernel modules which gave poor sound quality, incredibly low volume even when turned fully up, and frequent distortion. using the alsa-driver package makes sense to get more recent drivers (that's why it exists). But the mentioned snd_intel8x0 in the kernel should work very well. I think the poster is talking about snd_hda_intel, not snd_intel8x0, which is a different module. The version of snd_hda_intel in kernel doesn't work well, but fortunately it is being actively worked on by one of the alsa devs, so that version 1.0.14_rc1 of the alsa-driver package is much better than the kernel version. Steve -- Steve EvansE-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WEB:http://www.gorbag.com Registered Linux user #217906: http://counter.li.org Public Encryption Key: http://www.gorbag.com/public-key.html 2.6.18-gentoo-r6 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz GNU/Linux 17:38:48 up 8 days, 6:10, 1 user, load average: 0.37, 0.57, 0.54 Systems have sub-systems and sub-systems have sub-systems and so on ad infinitum -- which is why we're always starting over. -- Epigrams in Programming, ACM SIGPLAN Sept. 1982 pgpRTyHukNVrD.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] bash_completion
On Sun, Jan 07, 2007 at 12:25:49AM +, Penguin Lover Jorge Almeida squawked: Already did it (commented out the line in ~/.bashrc and sourced this file...) It doesn't freeze now, of course. Which version of bash completion? And which version of bash? (Just want to check if you are running a different version from mine: I have 20050121-r10, everything else masked by ~) Now, with the bash-completion script sourced, what does it say when you type complete -p less (or tar, or mplayer?) if you are in the directory with the README file, what happens if you do compgen -f RE compgen -d RE does it freeze up your computer? /etc/bash_completion is just a big shell script, and it calls mostly bash builtin commands, so its resource hit really shouldn't be that high. W -- Seen outside the LINAC control room @ Fermi Nat'l Accelerator Laboratory: (an _official_ sign) PLEASE DON'T FEED THE OPERATORS Sortir en Pantoufles: up 30 days, 15:36 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] wine compilation errors
What is going on? How can I compile wine and solve this problem? I'm running out of ideas. Whenever I try to emerge wine for my laptop I get error similar to this: make[2]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/wine-0.9.22/work/wine-0.9.22/dlls/oleacc' make[2]: Entering directory `/var/tmp/portage/wine-0.9.22/work/wine-0.9.22/dlls/oleaut32' Makefile:490: warning: NUL character seen; rest of line ignored Makefile:495: warning: NUL character seen; rest of line ignored Makefile:496: warning: NUL character seen; rest of line ignored Makefile:497: *** missing separator. Stop. make[2]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/wine-0.9.22/work/wine-0.9.22/dlls/oleaut32' make[1]: *** [oleaut32] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/wine-0.9.22/work/wine-0.9.22/dlls' make: *** [dlls] Error 2 !!! ERROR: app-emulation/wine-0.9.22 failed. Call stack: ebuild.sh, line 1546: Called dyn_compile ebuild.sh, line 937: Called src_compile wine-0.9.22.ebuild, line 111: Called die !!! all !!! If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack if relevant. I thought this is because I have -Os in CFLAGS, but on my server I'm getting same error. I downloaded stage3 for i686 of 2006.1, copied my make.conf, changed -Os to -O2 and... It didn't help. On laptop and server I have CHOST i686, and I haven't changed it ever. I deleted tarball and downloaded it few times but it didn't helped, either. FSCK does not show anything I don't know what do do next, please help. I attached make.conf from my laptop and there is still -Os, and this is only change in make.conf in comparison to one from chroot on my server. make.conf Description: Binary data
[gentoo-user] wine compilation errors
What is going on? How can I compile wine and solve this problem? I'm running out of ideas. Whenever I try to emerge wine for my laptop I get error similar to this: make[2]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/wine-0.9.22/work/wine-0.9.22/dlls/oleacc' make[2]: Entering directory `/var/tmp/portage/wine-0.9.22/work/wine-0.9.22/dlls/oleaut32' Makefile:490: warning: NUL character seen; rest of line ignored Makefile:495: warning: NUL character seen; rest of line ignored Makefile:496: warning: NUL character seen; rest of line ignored Makefile:497: *** missing separator. Stop. make[2]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/wine-0.9.22/work/wine-0.9.22/dlls/oleaut32' make[1]: *** [oleaut32] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/wine-0.9.22/work/wine-0.9.22/dlls' make: *** [dlls] Error 2 !!! ERROR: app-emulation/wine-0.9.22 failed. Call stack: ebuild.sh, line 1546: Called dyn_compile ebuild.sh, line 937: Called src_compile wine-0.9.22.ebuild, line 111: Called die !!! all !!! If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack if relevant. I thought this is because I have -Os in CFLAGS, but on my server I'm getting same error. I downloaded stage3 for i686 of 2006.1, copied my make.conf, changed -Os to -O2 and... It didn't help. On laptop and server I have CHOST i686, and I haven't changed it ever. I deleted tarball and downloaded it few times but it didn't helped, either. FSCK does not show anything I don't know what do do next, please help. I attached make.conf from my laptop and there is still -Os, and this is only change in make.conf in comparison to one from chroot on my server. make.conf Description: Binary data
Re: [gentoo-user] bash_completion
On Sun, 7 Jan 2007, Willie Wong wrote: On Sun, Jan 07, 2007 at 12:25:49AM +, Penguin Lover Jorge Almeida squawked: Already did it (commented out the line in ~/.bashrc and sourced this file...) It doesn't freeze now, of course. Which version of bash completion? And which version of bash? app-shells/bash-completion-20050121-r10 app-shells/bash-3.1_p17 (Just want to check if you are running a different version from mine: I have 20050121-r10, everything else masked by ~) Now, with the bash-completion script sourced, what does it say when you type complete -p less (or tar, or mplayer?) $ complete -p less complete -o filenames -F _longopt less if you are in the directory with the README file, what happens if you do compgen -f RE compgen -d RE does it freeze up your computer? No, it just does its stuff as expected. /etc/bash_completion is just a big shell script, and it calls mostly bash builtin commands, so its resource hit really shouldn't be that high. Thanks. Jorge -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] problems getting network going properly
On Sunday 7 January 2007 18:57, John covici wrote: Hi. I am still new to gentoo, so this may explain my questions. I want to set a domain name, but when I put dns_domain=covici.com in /etc/conf.d/net, it apparently didn't like it because the login banner still said unknown_domain. I did not get that working until I put the fqdn in /etc/hosts, although I'm still thinking that there should be some other (better?) way. A line like this: 10.0.0.1 myhost.mydomain.tld myhost did the job for me. Also, any reliable way to get a certain device to be eth0, etc. I saw the rename, but net.examples said that was not optional. You have to create some udev rules to tie device names to MAC addresses. Search the archives of this mailing list and you'll find a few threads about this problem (with the solutions, of course). HTH -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] OT - Why does gcc depend on gtk+?
I wanted to free up some space on my server box. I was going through trying to find what packages could be safely removed. I don't have any graphical apps on my server box except gvim, which is built with -gtk. When I ran equery depends gtk+, it came up with gcc: bullet ~ # equery depends gtk+ [ Searching for packages depending on gtk+... ] app-text/ghostscript-esp-8.15.3 sys-devel/gcc-3.4.6-r2 sys-devel/gcc-3.3.6 Why is this? I ran emerge -pv gcc: bullet ~ # emerge -pv gcc These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild R ] sys-devel/gcc-3.4.6-r2 USE=fortran (-altivec) -bootstrap -boundschecking -build -doc -gcj -gtk (-hardened) -ip28 -ip32r10k (-multilib) -multislot (-n32) (-n64) -nls -nocxx -nopie -nossp -objc -test -vanilla 0 kB Total size of downloads: 0 kB Also -gtk. Here's the USE line from make.conf: USE=-rsvg -esound -esd mode-owner apache2 -oss apm -alsa -arts -avi innodb berkdb bitmap-fonts -cdr crypt cups -doc encode fortran f77 foomaticdb gdbm gif gpm -gnome gstreamer -gtk -gtk2 imlib jpeg kde libg ++ libwww -mad mikmod -motif -mpeg ncurses -nls -oggvorbis -opengl pam pdflib png ppds python -qt -qt3 -qt4 -quicktime readline samba sasl -sdl spell ssl tcltk tcpd truetype usb -X xml xml2 -xmms -xv zlib x86 imap tetex mysql threads ithreads pgsql virus-scan perl kerberos acl oav libclamav offensive -ipv6 bind-mysql slp dhcp sendmail mpm-leader pcre unicode session examples perlsuid pcre nptl nptlonly All -gtk. I've recently completed an emerge -ND world (took all last week), so why does gtk+ still claim gcc? Is this real? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] distcc
Dnia niedziela, 7 stycznia 2007 03:45, sean napisał: Your steps are obviously a bit different then those listed here. http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/cross-compiling-distcc.xml So you are stating just emerge crossdev, the run crossdev -t and from the point where the web page states Here is what you want to do: (1.2) follow the instructions you listed here, rather then the web page? I don't have crossdev at all... AMD64 gcc can simply compile code for IA32 architecture (forced by -m32 parameter in wrapper). My note is a total replacement of http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/cross-compiling-distcc.xml for 64-compiling-for-32 case. -- Pawel Kraszewski www.kraszewscy.net -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - Why does gcc depend on gtk+?
On Sunday 7 January 2007 19:56, Michael Sullivan wrote: Why is this? I ran emerge -pv gcc: IIRC (corrections welcomed), it has something to do with building the java awt graphical toolkit. If you don't use gcc to compile java code, you don't need it. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - Why does gcc depend on gtk+?
On 1/7/07, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wanted to free up some space on my server box. I was going through trying to find what packages could be safely removed. I don't have any graphical apps on my server box except gvim, which is built with -gtk. When I ran equery depends gtk+, it came up with gcc: bullet ~ # equery depends gtk+ equery depends is broken. It shows possible _dependancies_, without taking USE flags into account. Does gtk show up when you do a emerge --depclean --pretend? -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-laptop] Re: [gentoo-user] USB freezes the machine...
Hi, So just try same think with sync and tell us if it work ... no same situation even with sync. After some time it get freezed. Perhaps a bug on kernel too, try another kernel : vanilla-sources for example vanilla has no gentoo patch, perhaps a bug in this, need to try Do you use genkernel ? or make kernel conf yourself ? Well i've not tried with a vanilla kernel, since i think this problem is due to some kernel bug since i've tested the setup with a non-unistalled old kernel 2.6.15 at it has the same behaviour. I've tested also all the possibilites you've told me but still no result. I've used a bit the gentoo live-cd and the problem didn't showed up. let's try all this so have fun ;-) regards, m -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] problems getting network going properly
On 1/7/07, Etaoin Shrdlu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, any reliable way to get a certain device to be eth0, etc. I saw the rename, but net.examples said that was not optional. You have to create some udev rules to tie device names to MAC addresses. Search the archives of this mailing list and you'll find a few threads about this problem (with the solutions, of course). If you have udev-103, by far the easiest way to do this is run /lib/udev/write_net_rules all_interfaces This will generate /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules that you can then edit to assign whatever names you want. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] bash_completion
On Sun, Jan 07, 2007 at 06:10:55PM +, Penguin Lover Jorge Almeida squawked: Which version of bash completion? And which version of bash? app-shells/bash-completion-20050121-r10 app-shells/bash-3.1_p17 Okay, so you are on stable I see. $ complete -p less complete -o filenames -F _longopt less if you are in the directory with the README file, what happens if you do compgen -f RE compgen -d RE does it freeze up your computer? No, it just does its stuff as expected. how about if you do compgen -F _longopt It should print out an unsorted list of all the files and subdirs of the given dir. Does it freeze up? If it doesn't, we can almost be sure that the problem is not with the bash-completion script itself, since invoking compgen -F _longopt should be the same as when you type less tabtab on the commandline. (At the same time, it might put hunting down the exact problem out of my league.) You mentioned that it seems to freeze for all completion you tried, have you tried the following: unzip tabtab (should just show a list of files ending in zip, ZIP jar, exe, pk3, etc...) xv(a list of image files) qiv (a list of image files) vim (a list of files that are not image files or archives) and kill tabtab (should return a list of pids) can you please try those and report back? Best Wishes, W -- suddenly i have this urge to do like keenue reeves did in the matrix: open my eyes and say i know quantum mechanics. too bad it just doesn't have the same ring to it. Sortir en Pantoufles: up 30 days, 17:18 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-laptop] Re: [gentoo-user] USB freezes the machine...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 You have no prob on gentoo-livecd ??? so ... kernel on live aren't gentoo-sources ... but gentoo-developpement-sources I think ... just check the kernel version of the livecd ... so, try to install vanilla sources with the same conf than gentoo-sources ... just do make conf and move to usb section ... uncheck all dangerous unstable option make your kernel and try again if you want, I could check your conf myself, just send me your config.cfg, I will see if they is some strange option check in kernel see ya -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (MingW32) - WinPT 1.0.1 iD8DBQFFoVjYEg3iyspSWPARAvR3AJ4oY9sPUmHOxBZAxOEJrS1SwYIFQACfdyVy pTAUVrzv0C8MqN5yIO34vk8= =CEga -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-user] distcc
John Blinka wrote: sean wrote: John Blinka wrote: I think this is backwards. The cross compiler should be on the Opteron box, since distcc is asking the Opteron box to produce 32 bit code for the P4 box. Check this out. Look at the line highlighted in green. http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/cross-compiling-distcc.xml Yep, that's exactly the document I used to get cross-compiling working with distcc on my machines. See the paragraph near the top under the heading Emerge the needed utilities. The first sentence of this paragraph refers to machines that will be involved in the compiling process. One might argue that both your P4 and Opteron machines are involved since the P4 calls the compiler and the Opteron does the compiling. But the sentence really refers to machines that will actually *do* the compiling, i.e., your Opteron. So you should do 2 things on the Opteron box: emerge crossdev and crossdev -t arg where I'm guessing arg is i686-pc-linux-gnu for your P4 box. The green highlighted stuff are things you do on the P4 box. The explanation for doing the green highlighted stuff is found at the end of the page under the heading Why this works. John Blinka Thanks John, Perhaps it is just me, but maybe the docs on this topic could use just a bit more sharpening to clear things. Sean -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Fix file system permissions
On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 21:04:15 -0800 Joshua Schmidlkofer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, a customer on a hosted server did this today: sudo chown -R lighttpd / -- You can imagine that things are a little borked. How do you fix this with Gentoo? Sincerely, Joshua I think a better fix might be to use a similar gentoo system to 'collect' the permissions on its files and things and then use that data to restore the permissions on the borked computer. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Through the looking glass: Reflections on Gentoo
Dear friends and fellow Gentooists, I apologize for intruding onto your mailinglist, but what I wish to say is of great enough importance to me. My contributions are not much to speak of, and I've been silent for a long time. So I guess, like many before me, I will be stoned as a heretic instead of being listened to - that, my friends, is your prerogative as freethinking humans, but I must ask you to hear me out and think about what I say, not what I am. Now, our memories of the past are not always as thruthful as we would like them to be, selective memory is what makes some large things small and some small things large. So let us not idealize the past as if it had no problems, but let us try to keep a perspective on how things have changed, evolved maybe, into what they are now and what they may become. Many good people, having all attained the rank of full developer, have retired, with a noticeable increase in the last trimester or so. Some have retired to avoid all the political tomfoolery that kept them from enjoying their work, some left as they found something else to fill that special place in their heart. Some, sadly, did not feel they could contribute enough as real life took its toll - may they find some time in the future. And a very selected few, regrettably, were retired against their will. These removals even went outside the ranks of developers - the hostile takeover of some IRC channels has caused unneeded tension between groups that should cooperate. It is a sad day when the appearance of a gentoo developer may be the first sign that your channel will now be censored and people removed that have dissenting opinions. While the politics around these cases make rational discussion quite difficult it is obvious even to outsiders that this is not in the spirit of the original Gentoo Metadistribution - it even violates many of those so-called rules that were created to help the interaction between people from wildly divergent backgrounds. Devrel, as it stands, has always been controversial as everyone saw a different use for the rather unneeded concentration of power in the hands of a few people. But when people are denied an appeal and devrel unilaterally decides, ignoring policies and common sense, what is one supposed to think? So then, while that part is hard to discuss, I point at another issue: Everything that is not official (for certain undefined values of official - objectivity seems to be lost on many humans) is attacked, torn apart and insulted. A great example of that is the Sunrise Overlay, which has become quite a success, with a few of the community members becoming devs - at the same time I see with sadness that at least one dev has retired because of Sunrise. What madness there is when people leave such a great project because they can't let other people live in peace. It is this meddling in all affairs that crushes the spirit of freedom with a heavy boot - but as you all are volunteers it is hard to understand how you can treat each other like that. Tolerance, my friends, doesn't cost you much and will bring you much good karma. Now, you that have read this far may wonder, what is my point? Quite simple, comrades. It is a warning I bring you, and I ask you to stop for a moment and reflect upon the situation we have right now. It seems that a small group of developers have ursurped power, leaving any checks and balances behind them to shape Gentoo in the image they see, not caring for any losses they cause. It can not be in the interest of a community to be ruled by such a group - even among devs equality is hard to find as som just have to be better than others. I ask you not to redo the errors of the past and remember the lessons learned - there is so much that needs to be done, but no single person has the strength to do them. Cooperate you must, my friends. Only when you leave the infighting and bureaucracy behind can you aspire to true greatness. Beware though, as I do not claim to have all the answers you want. Not a single person, but only a group can find a solution to such a comples interwoven technical, social and political problem. What is there to be done? I give you a few ideas in the hope of catalysing a solution, but it is not I who will be able to apply any changes. - Review of the organization and distribution of power - Reduce the rules so that things can be done without a week of discussion for every small idea - When a group can decide arbitrarily without needing the support of any democratic counterweight, what is the point of any voting? Make sure that noone has too much power. - Analyse the fluctuations in developers - how many retire because of political reasons? - how many are recruited? - how can the environment be improved so that people can enjoy their work and not care about silly problems? -
Re: [gentoo-user] couple of newbie questions about emerge
Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: On Sunday 07 January 2007 10:02, Daniel Iliev wrote: I'm kindly recommending you to read *man emerge*, man portage, man make.conf. I'd say it's sufficient to read the whole handbook (including parts 2, Working with Gentoo, and 3, Working with Portage) to begin with. :) http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/index.xml Ya know, as many changes as there have been since Gentoo came out, I need to read that too. Gentoo has changed a lot since I first installed it. I still miss etcat too. :-( I forgot to mention this in my first reply. WELCOME TO GENTOO!!! It takes a bit of getting used to but boy is it worth it. This is way easier than Mandrake or whatever it is called now. I started on Mandrake 9.1. 9.2 helped me move on to something better. That would be Gentoo by the way. Hang in there. Dale :-) :-) :-) -- www.myspace.com/dalek1967
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - Why does gcc depend on gtk+?
On Sunday 07 January 2007 20:31, Richard Fish wrote: bullet ~ # equery depends gtk+ equery depends is broken. It shows possible _dependancies_, without taking USE flags into account. Apparently this is finally fixed in svn now. Hopefully it'll be released in ~arch soon... :) https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81012 -- Bo Andresen pgpAKe9wOJPnW.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] couple of newbie questions about emerge
On Sunday 07 January 2007 10:02, Daniel Iliev wrote: I'm kindly recommending you to read *man emerge*, man portage, man make.conf. I'd say it's sufficient to read the whole handbook (including parts 2, Working with Gentoo, and 3, Working with Portage) to begin with. :) http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/index.xml -- Bo Andresen pgpmkRqFfiWlm.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] wine compilation errors
On 1/7/07, CapSel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is going on? How can I compile wine and solve this problem? I'm running out of ideas. It just compiled fine on my system. Post your emerge --info and output of emerge -pv wine please. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] bash_completion
On Sun, 7 Jan 2007, Willie Wong wrote: On Sun, Jan 07, 2007 at 06:10:55PM +, Penguin Lover Jorge Almeida squawked: how about if you do compgen -F _longopt It should print out an unsorted list of all the files and subdirs of the given dir. Does it freeze up? If it doesn't, we can almost be sure that the problem is not with the bash-completion script itself, since invoking compgen -F _longopt should be the same as when you type less tabtab on the commandline. (At the same time, it might put hunting down the exact problem out of my league.) You mentioned that it seems to freeze for all completion you tried, Not really all kind of completion, but I noticed that it froze on trivial completions (the kind that should work even without bash-completion). have you tried the following: unzip tabtab (should just show a list of files ending in zip, ZIP jar, exe, pk3, etc...) xv(a list of image files) qiv (a list of image files) vim (a list of files that are not image files or archives) and kill tabtab (should return a list of pids) can you please try those and report back? I won't be able to access my home box for a few days. I will try all your suggestions then. Thanks. -- Jorge -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Through the looking glass: Reflections on Gentoo
Hi, On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 22:14:26 +0100 Ivan Sakhalin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Now, you that have read this far may wonder, what is my point? Quite simple, comrades. It is a warning I bring you, and I ask you to stop for a moment and reflect upon the situation we have right now. It seems that a small group of developers have ursurped power, leaving any checks and balances behind them to shape Gentoo in the image they see, not caring for any losses they cause. It can not be in the interest of a community to be ruled by such a group - even among devs equality is hard to find as som just have to be better than others. _I_ am not ruled by that group and you're possibly neither. What might be ruled by those ursurpators, which might or might not exist (names, dude, more facts...), is just Gentoo. [...] Cooperate you must, my friends. [...] Fear is the path to the dark side! Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate - and hate leads to - suffering. (SCNR... That's Yoda, of course) Only when you leave the infighting and bureaucracy behind can you aspire to true greatness. But *I*, as a user (this is -user, after all!) don't feel bothered by any kind of bureaucracy. Please explain first why I should take action at all at the moment. And why I shouldn't just go and take the next distro that fits my needs best (b, Slackware :-)? I don't want to say your points aren't valid. But they are not very substantiated (don't expect me to read back the last few months of gentoo-dev, bring examples!) and not focused on my context as a _user_... -hwh -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Through the looking glass: Reflections on Gentoo
As a user -not a dev, both because I have not the required knowledge nor the sparing time- these are my answers: I apologize for intruding onto your mailinglist, but what I wish to say is of great enough importance to me. You don't intrude onto my mailing list with people for something that's of importance to you. You should intrude for something that's of importance to *us*. This is a mutual help ML, not a confessional. My contributions are not much to speak of, and I've been silent for a long time. So I guess, like many before me, I will be stoned as a heretic instead of being listened to - that, my friends, is your prerogative as freethinking humans, but I must ask you to hear me out and think about what I say, not what I am. I'm not stoning you as heretic or what. I simply think you're writing to the wrong place. Many good people, having all attained the rank of full developer, have retired, with a noticeable increase in the last trimester or so. Some have retired to avoid all the political tomfoolery that kept them from enjoying their work, some left as they found something else to fill that special place in their heart. Some, sadly, did not feel they could contribute enough as real life took its toll - may they find some time in the future. And a very selected few, regrettably, were retired against their will. This is sad, but Gentoo is a voluntary project, and I figure out people can come and go as freely as they like. So, no news here. These removals even went outside the ranks of developers - the hostile takeover of some IRC channels has caused unneeded tension between groups that should cooperate. It is a sad day when the appearance of a gentoo developer may be the first sign that your channel will now be censored and people removed that have dissenting opinions. I don't know nothing about this, nor I care about inner fights between you all. What I care about are sane code, a stable and up-to-date system, and clever planning. I don't mind if you're doing it by biting each other to death in a thunderdome or if you are all holding your hands beneath a rainbow. Not because I'm cynic. Because I can do *plain nothing* to avoid this -I'm not a dev, nor I can be in the near future. So what? Post this to the devel mailing list. While the politics around these cases make rational discussion quite difficult it is obvious even to outsiders that this is not in the spirit of the original Gentoo Metadistribution - it even violates many of those so-called rules that were created to help the interaction between people from wildly divergent backgrounds. So denounce the violation of these rules to competent people. Devrel, as it stands, has always been controversial as everyone saw a different use for the rather unneeded concentration of power in the hands of a few people. But when people are denied an appeal and devrel unilaterally decides, ignoring policies and common sense, what is one supposed to think? I don't know. I even don't know what devrel is. I suspect it's some high-level devel committee. Problem is, unilateral decisions AFAIK are needed for almost any sane free software project. Good OSS projects are, often (not always), projects with good Benevolent Dictators For Life: linux kernel = Linus Torvalds. perl = Larry Wall. python = Guido Van Rossum. openbsd = Theo de Raadt. ubuntu = Mark Shuttleworth, etc. Of course it is not always so, and Gentoo was apparently one of the happy exceptions. Problem is, democracy doesn't work so well in many of these cases -see the NetBSD vs OpenBSD forking, or the current sad state of Debian, that literally got on its knees by its intestine political fights. There have been and there are also thriving democratic projects, of course, and there are examples of the opposite (XFree86), but if Gentoo is not one of these, my own €0.02 is: get a benevolent dictator and follow him. So then, while that part is hard to discuss, I point at another issue: Everything that is not official (for certain undefined values of official - objectivity seems to be lost on many humans) is attacked, torn apart and insulted. A great example of that is the Sunrise Overlay, which has become quite a success, with a few of the community members becoming devs - at the same time I see with sadness that at least one dev has retired because of Sunrise. What madness there is when people leave such a great project because they can't let other people live in peace. It is this meddling in all affairs that crushes the spirit of freedom with a heavy boot - but as you all are volunteers it is hard to understand how you can treat each other like that. Tolerance, my friends, doesn't cost you much and will bring you much good karma. Can you point me at the relevant threads and IRC logs? Despite masked with redundant prose and so on, your talking just looks like plain (masked) bitching to me. However I could
Re: [gentoo-user] Through the looking glass: Reflections on Gentoo
b.n. wrote: As a user -not a dev, both because I have not the required knowledge nor the sparing time- these are my answers: snip These removals even went outside the ranks of developers - the hostile takeover of some IRC channels has caused unneeded tension between groups that should cooperate. It is a sad day when the appearance of a gentoo developer may be the first sign that your channel will now be censored and people removed that have dissenting opinions. I don't know nothing about this, nor I care about inner fights between you all. What I care about are sane code, a stable and up-to-date system, and clever planning. I don't mind if you're doing it by biting each other to death in a thunderdome or if you are all holding your hands beneath a rainbow. Not because I'm cynic. Because I can do *plain nothing* to avoid this -I'm not a dev, nor I can be in the near future. So what? Post this to the devel mailing list. He did post this to the dev list. He posted it there first, well, I got it there first. I guess he could have sent it to both at the same time. snip Me too, but I'm really unsure you're really helping. m. Dale :-) :-) :-) -- www.myspace.com/dalek1967 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] wine compilation errors
I attached output of emerge --info - plik. # emerge -pv wine These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild N] app-emulation/wine-0.9.22 USE=X alsa cups ncurses opengl oss -arts -dbus -esd -gif -glut -hal -jack -jpeg -lcms -ldap -nas -scanner -xml 0 kB Total size of downloads: 0 kB # ... what else can I do? On 1/7/07, Richard Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/7/07, CapSel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is going on? How can I compile wine and solve this problem? I'm running out of ideas. It just compiled fine on my system. Post your emerge --info and output of emerge -pv wine please. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list plik Description: Binary data
Re: [gentoo-user] Through the looking glass: Reflections on Gentoo
Dale ha scritto: He did post this to the dev list. He posted it there first, well, I got it there first. I guess he could have sent it to both at the same time. snip Yes, but why inflaming us? Me too, but I'm really unsure you're really helping. m. Oh, I just bit the flamebait :) Dale :-) :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Through the looking glass: Reflections on Gentoo
Ivan Sakhalin wrote: I apologize for intruding onto your mailinglist, but what I wish to say is of great enough importance to me. Just my thoughts: if you think you have something important to say, why don't you simply say it but instead start with thoughts about life, universe and everything? After reading the first 237 words of your post, I still had no idea what the heck you are talking about. Regards mks -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-dev] Through the looking glass: Reflections on Gentoo
On Sun, Jan 07, 2007 at 10:14:26PM +0100, Ivan Sakhalin wrote: Dear friends and fellow Gentooists, snip lots of text While the politics around these cases make rational discussion quite difficult it is obvious even to outsiders that this is not in the spirit of the original Gentoo Metadistribution - it even violates many of those so-called rules that were created to help the interaction between people from wildly divergent backgrounds. Devrel, as it stands, has always been controversial as everyone saw a different use for the rather unneeded concentration of power in the hands of a few people. But when people are denied an appeal and devrel unilaterally decides, ignoring policies and common sense, what is one supposed to think? Developer Relations haven't denied any appeals at all. You'll have to back this statement up with facts if you want to change any developers mind about this I'm afraid. Regards, Bryan Østergaard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Through the looking glass: Reflections on Gentoo
b.n. wrote: Dale ha scritto: He did post this to the dev list. He posted it there first, well, I got it there first. I guess he could have sent it to both at the same time. snip Yes, but why inflaming us? Me too, but I'm really unsure you're really helping. m. Oh, I just bit the flamebait :) Dale :-) :-) :-) I dunno. Maybe he will explain that to us later on. Maybe he is seeing something that the rest of us are missing. Lots of possibilities I guess. I to have seen some people leave instead of continuing with the way things are. Gentoo is not perfect, nothing is really, but it is as close as it gets to me. It sure beats windoze. ;-) I'd like to help myself but I find it hard to do research and do much of anything because of this crappy dial-up I am on. Add in that I can't sit at this thing for very long because of arthritis and it sort of messes me up with what I would like to do. I need to get me a laptop. Maybe when I get this divorce behind me and get my finances back in order I can get one. She sort of did a number on my credit. Tried to do more but I'm disabled, not stupid. Maybe he will reply in a bit when he checks the replies he has gotten so far, if he doesn't feel he is jumping in a huge flame pit. Let's be nice now. :D Dale :-) :-) :-) -- www.myspace.com/dalek1967 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Through the looking glass: Reflections on Gentoo
On AD 2007 January 07 Sunday 11:51:59 PM +0100, Hans-Werner Hilse wrote: But *I*, as a user (this is -user, after all!) don't feel bothered by any kind of bureaucracy. Please explain first why I should take action at all at the moment. And why I shouldn't just go and take the next distro that fits my needs best (b, Slackware :-)? You won't be bothered by bureacuracy untill the day you discover that that package you want has been left months ago to fall into ignominious forgottenness among the thicket of bugzilla ebuild requests or the day you discover your favorite package hasn't been updated in 2 years and the herd responsible won't (or can't?) respond to email inquiries. You will care that day when you realize many things that are wrong with gentoo may be the result of corruption or inefficiency. You should care because not even Free Software or gentoo is free. As in politics apathy will only get you what you want or keep the affairs of state safely insulated in the bureaucracy as long as somebody favorable or benign is in power. You may be satisfied with gentoo now but what will you do when emerge --sync stops working because somebody stopped caring? I don't claim that everybody should contribute the same effort or work or any work at all, but rather that you ought to at least care. Go ahead and pick up a copy of the next distro when gentoo crumbles to the ground but at least reflect then that each distro out there is made great by the work of lots of talented developers, volunteers most of them, because they care because they love hacking software. This isn't meant to chasten anyone into a state of open source piety, but rather is offered as a somewhat incoherent argument for why caring matters, because in the end free software is a human endeavor. Justin -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] bash_completion
On Sun, Jan 07, 2007 at 10:17:59PM +, Penguin Lover Jorge Almeida squawked: Not really all kind of completion, but I noticed that it froze on trivial completions (the kind that should work even without bash-completion). Hold on, so the command completions, like say tar tabtab giving you A c d r t u x actually works, but filename completion doesn't? (It might help pin point the problem.) I won't be able to access my home box for a few days. I will try all your suggestions then. Please do, Best, W -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur. Sortir en Pantoufles: up 30 days, 22:33 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Through the looking glass: Reflections on Gentoo
On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 17:15:43 -0700, Justin Findlay wrote: You won't be bothered by bureacuracy untill the day you discover that that package you want has been left months ago to fall into ignominious forgottenness among the thicket of bugzilla ebuild requests or the day you discover your favorite package hasn't been updated in 2 years and the herd responsible won't (or can't?) respond to email inquiries. That's not bureaucracy, it's lack of interest or time. Gentoo devs are all volunteers, they work on whatever they have the desire and time to work on. If they don't have time or inclination to work on your favourite project, help them. -- Neil Bothwick There are some micro-organisms that exhibit characteristics of both plants and animals. When exposed to light they undergo photosynthesis; and when the lights go out, they turn into animals. But then again, don't we all? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] ESD vs ALSA
I've been using Linux for 6 or 8 years -- without speakers. Today I decided to take a trip on the wild side and install speakers. It has been interesting. I've been using /usr/bin/gnome-sound-properties (started from Gnome start button via system//preferences/sound (from nu) to test my configuration. From the Sounds tab, all the System Sounds work perfectly. However the Devices tab works fine when ESD (Enlightenment Sound Daemon) is selected and doesn't work at all when ALSA is selected. In this case, doesn't work means the following dialog is displayed: audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Could not open resource for writing. Any tips on what I should check? Question 2: Is either ESD or ALSA to be preferred? Why? Regards, David -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ESD vs ALSA
On 1/7/07, David Relson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been using Linux for 6 or 8 years -- without speakers. Today I decided to take a trip on the wild side and install speakers. It has been interesting. I've been using /usr/bin/gnome-sound-properties (started from Gnome start button via system//preferences/sound (from nu) to test my configuration. From the Sounds tab, all the System Sounds work perfectly. However the Devices tab works fine when ESD (Enlightenment Sound Daemon) is selected and doesn't work at all when ALSA is selected. In this case, doesn't work means the following dialog is displayed: audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Could not open resource for writing. Any tips on what I should check? I've not done exactly what you are doing but make sure that Alsa is selected in the Sound prefernces. Also, if ESD has been running then it will likely block Alsa from getting to the sound cards. Make sure that the ESD daemon has been killed. Question 2: Is either ESD or ALSA to be preferred? Why? I would think Alsa since it's widely supported and they pretty quickly take care of things when you have problems or new hardware comes out. Since ESD is Gnome specific (I think) then if you switched environments - to say fluxbox or something lighter, or KDE on the heavy end) then you'd have more fooling around to do. I thought there was a way to tell ESD to use Alsa but I don't really know. I don't use any system sounds in Gnome myself. Hope this helps, Mark Regards, David -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ESD vs ALSA
Sorry - meant to attach this also. Make sure you're building certain things with the alsa USE flag and preferably with the esd flag turned off. At least that's what I do: [ebuild R ] media-sound/esound-0.2.36-r2 USE=alsa ipv6 tcpd -debug 0 kB [ebuild R ] gnome-base/control-center-2.16.2 USE=alsa -debug -eds 0 kB On 1/7/07, Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/7/07, David Relson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been using Linux for 6 or 8 years -- without speakers. Today I decided to take a trip on the wild side and install speakers. It has been interesting. I've been using /usr/bin/gnome-sound-properties (started from Gnome start button via system//preferences/sound (from nu) to test my configuration. From the Sounds tab, all the System Sounds work perfectly. However the Devices tab works fine when ESD (Enlightenment Sound Daemon) is selected and doesn't work at all when ALSA is selected. In this case, doesn't work means the following dialog is displayed: audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Could not open resource for writing. Any tips on what I should check? I've not done exactly what you are doing but make sure that Alsa is selected in the Sound prefernces. Also, if ESD has been running then it will likely block Alsa from getting to the sound cards. Make sure that the ESD daemon has been killed. Question 2: Is either ESD or ALSA to be preferred? Why? I would think Alsa since it's widely supported and they pretty quickly take care of things when you have problems or new hardware comes out. Since ESD is Gnome specific (I think) then if you switched environments - to say fluxbox or something lighter, or KDE on the heavy end) then you'd have more fooling around to do. I thought there was a way to tell ESD to use Alsa but I don't really know. I don't use any system sounds in Gnome myself. Hope this helps, Mark Regards, David -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] avoiding java
Is there a simple way to make sure java never gets installed on a gentoo machine? The only thing I've thought of is using /etc/portage/package.mask to mask everything in the dev-java category, but I'm hoping for something simpler. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: avoiding java
»Q« schrieb: Is there a simple way to make sure java never gets installed on a gentoo machine? The only thing I've thought of is using /etc/portage/package.mask to mask everything in the dev-java category, but I'm hoping for something simpler. disable java use-flag. mask virtual/jdk, virtual/jre and maybe also dev-java/sun-jdk, etc. BTW: what's so frightening about java? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] avoiding java
»Q« wrote: Is there a simple way to make sure java never gets installed on a gentoo machine? USE=-java in your /etc/make.conf pgpmZDHI5wnmA.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: avoiding java
Sven Köhler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: »Q« schrieb: Is there a simple way to make sure java never gets installed on a gentoo machine? disable java use-flag. mask virtual/jdk, virtual/jre and maybe also dev-java/sun-jdk, etc. Thanks -- that masking seems to do it. I hadn't read about the switch to virtuals for java until now. I have a lot of catching up to do. BTW: what's so frightening about java? Nothing scary, just don't want it. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: avoiding java
In news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Norberto Bensa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: »Q« wrote: Is there a simple way to make sure java never gets installed on a gentoo machine? USE=-java in your /etc/make.conf I had done that already, but -java only prevents java from being installed as an optional dependency. If a package requires java, it will pull it in despite that flag. See Sven's answer about how to mask java. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
