Re: SOLVED: Recover from LVM errors? (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] Help - system reboots while compiling)

2007-03-29 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wednesday 28 March 2007, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
 On Wednesday 28 March 2007, Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote about 'Re: SOLVED: Recover from LVM errors? (Was: Re:
 [gentoo-user] Help -

 system reboots while compiling)':
  All in all, the odds are tipping in favour of ext4

 I don't need quite such large filesystems as my largest is just under
 4TB, and my system will probably max out around 7TB, but I need a
 filesystem that is maintained (Namesys had basically abandoned
 reiserfs in favor of reiser4 well before Hans' current troubles
 started), and has good all-around performance characteristics (I have
 both large source trees, invloving a multitude of directories and
 small-ish files AND a video library containing very large files in
 my /home).  I would also like to see some support for the tail
 packing of resiserfs -- It's not that important, but last I checked
 one saved over 100MB by the portage tree on reiserfs AND
 mini-benchmarks like emerge --sync and
 find '/usr/portage'  /dev/null actually ran faster than ext3.

In my experience that's a representative data set for a Linux geek :-) 
Mine's very similar and I too find that reiser3 performs better all 
round. Unpacking 35000 smallish files in a kernel tree is no small 
task...

 That said, I'm very encouraged about ext4, and will probably migrate
 some unimportant data over to that filesystem in near future and
 perform my own bonnie++ tests.

How do you plan to get around the decidedly non-trivial task of getting 
a decent fsck on a filesystem where plugins handle the metadata?

Don't get me wrong, I think reiser4 is a good idea, and it's well 
thought out. But everything comes at a price, and in this case it's 
fsck

alan

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[gentoo-user] openssl certificates generation under gentoo

2007-03-29 Thread Buffalo Dickens

Hi all! I am not familiar with openssl at all. Here I got a problem. My
Windows 2003 can not (or I can not) accomplish the task of generating a
private key file and a csr file. That holds up my process of going on with
authentication between it and other host servers.

I wonder if gentoo linux is able to help finish this step for Win? I mean,
using openssl under gentoo to generate a whole set of private key and
certificate and transferring them to Win host for its use. I do not know
whether that is feasible. Any suggestion will be appreciated! Thank you!

--
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Buffalo Dickens


Re: [gentoo-user] openssl certificates generation under gentoo

2007-03-29 Thread Rumen Yotov
On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:44:20 +0800
Buffalo Dickens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi all! I am not familiar with openssl at all. Here I got a problem.
 My Windows 2003 can not (or I can not) accomplish the task of
 generating a private key file and a csr file. That holds up my
 process of going on with authentication between it and other host
 servers.
 
 I wonder if gentoo linux is able to help finish this step for Win? I
 mean, using openssl under gentoo to generate a whole set of private
 key and certificate and transferring them to Win host for its use. I
 do not know whether that is feasible. Any suggestion will be
 appreciated! Thank you!
 
Hi,

IMO any linux can do this, you only need openssl (which is BTW also
available for Windows, IIRC).
Google for the concrete commands (generate a self-signed certificate).
Or better try openca.org to do the work for you ;)
HTH. Rumen
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[gentoo-user] Re: SOLVED: Recover from LVM errors? (Was: Re: Help - system reboots while compiling)

2007-03-29 Thread Remy Blank
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
 troll
 ZFS?
 /troll
 
 You say troll, I say possibility; I'll certainly consider it.

Actually, I would be very interested in using ZFS for my data.

The troll was more about the fact that the ZFS license was explicitly
designed to be GPL-2 incompatible, hence preventing it from being
included into Linux (it would require a clean-room rewrite from the specs).

 However, the demos that I've seen about ZFS stress how easy it is to 
 administer, and all the LVM-style features it has.  Personally, 
 I've /very/ comfortable with LVM and am of the opinion that such features 
 don't actually belong at the filesystem layer.

I haven't made the step to LVM and am still using a plain old RAID-1
mirror. I'm not that comfortable adding one more layer to the data path,
and one more difficulty in case of hard disk failure.

 I need to good general purpose filesystem, what matters most to be is:
 1) Online growing of the filesystem, with LVM I use this a lot, I won't 
 consider a filesystem I can't grow while it is in active use.
 2) Journaling or other techniques (FFS from the *BSD world does something 
 they don't like to call journaling) that reduce the frequency of full 
 fscks.
 3) All-round performance, and I don't mind it using extra CPU time or 
 memory to make filesystem performance better, I have both to spare.
 4) Storage savings (like tail packing or transparent compression)

I completely agree with 1) and 2), and 3) and 4) are nice to haves. What
I like in ZFS is the data integrity check, i.e. every block gets a
checksum, and it can auto-repair in a RAID-Z configuration, something
that RAID-1 cannot.

So I would add:
5) Reliable data integrity checks and self-healing capability.

-- Remy



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Re: [gentoo-user] openssl certificates generation under gentoo

2007-03-29 Thread Buffalo Dickens

Many thanks Rumen! Actually I came across many error notifications during
self certificate generation under Windows 2003 with openssl. As this is
the gentoo maillist, I will not and should not paste the detailed error
messages here:)

So I just want to bypass this step under Win, letting linux take this task
over. I do not know whether there will be some underlying conflict in doing
this.

Also, I will study what you provide me carefully. Thanks a lot!

--
You will when you BELIEVE.
Buffalo Dickens



2007/3/29, Rumen Yotov [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:44:20 +0800
Buffalo Dickens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi all! I am not familiar with openssl at all. Here I got a problem.
 My Windows 2003 can not (or I can not) accomplish the task of
 generating a private key file and a csr file. That holds up my
 process of going on with authentication between it and other host
 servers.

 I wonder if gentoo linux is able to help finish this step for Win? I
 mean, using openssl under gentoo to generate a whole set of private
 key and certificate and transferring them to Win host for its use. I
 do not know whether that is feasible. Any suggestion will be
 appreciated! Thank you!

Hi,

IMO any linux can do this, you only need openssl (which is BTW also
available for Windows, IIRC).
Google for the concrete commands (generate a self-signed certificate).
Or better try openca.org to do the work for you ;)
HTH. Rumen
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Re: [gentoo-user] openssl certificates generation under gentoo

2007-03-29 Thread Daniel Iliev
Buffalo Dickens wrote:
 Many thanks Rumen! Actually I came across many error notifications
 during self certificate generation under Windows 2003 with openssl. As
 this is the gentoo maillist, I will not and should not paste the
 detailed error messages here:)
  
 So I just want to bypass this step under Win, letting linux take this
 task over. I do not know whether there will be some underlying
 conflict in doing this.
  
 Also, I will study what you provide me carefully. Thanks a lot!

 -- 
 You will when you BELIEVE.
 Buffalo Dickens
  

  
 2007/3/29, Rumen Yotov [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:44:20 +0800
 Buffalo Dickens  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hi all! I am not familiar with openssl at all. Here I got a problem.
  My Windows 2003 can not (or I can not) accomplish the task of
  generating a private key file and a csr file. That holds up my
  process of going on with authentication between it and other host
  servers.
 
  I wonder if gentoo linux is able to help finish this step for Win? I
  mean, using openssl under gentoo to generate a whole set of private
  key and certificate and transferring them to Win host for its use. I
  do not know whether that is feasible. Any suggestion will be
  appreciated! Thank you!
 
 Hi,

 IMO any linux can do this, you only need openssl (which is BTW also
 available for Windows, IIRC).
 Google for the concrete commands (generate a self-signed certificate).
 Or better try openca.org http://openca.org to do the work for
 you ;)
 HTH. Rumen
 --
 gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailto:gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list




Assuming you want to enable SSL on your Windows Web Server (IIS) you
might try this:

1) Generate Cert. Authority on the Gentoo Box:

openssl genrsa -des3 -out CA.key 1024

(import CA.crt in all the clients in order to make them recognize the CA
and accept the certificates signed by it)

2) Create Cert. Request (Windows Box):
- Open the Internet Manager
- Select the site you want to create a key for
- Right-click  Properties
- Select Directory Security
- Go to Server Certificate
- Follow the steps and create a New CSR
- Save your CSR as new.csr
- Transfer it to the Gentoo box

3) Sign the CSR on the Gentoo box:

openssl x509 -req -days 365 -in new.csr -CA CA.crt -CAkey CA.key
-CAcreateserial -out new.crt

4) Transfer the signed cert. back to the Windows Box and install it:

- Open the Internet Manager
- Select the site you requested a certif. for
- Right-click  properties
- Go to Directory Security tab
- Choose Server Certificate
- Choose that you want to complete the pending request
- Select the .crt file that you transferred from the Gentoo box


HTH

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[gentoo-user] Eez a byootiful dai todai

2007-03-29 Thread Jeff Rollin
Hi lugs, 

Sorry for the cryptic headline but wanted to keep the suspense; sorry for 
crossposting too but this is important!

/Dell has announced it WILL be shipping preinstalled Desktop Linux on certain 
machines, desktop and laptop/ - more details will follow later.

Happily, it seems that [s]urvey respondents indicated that improved hardware 
support for Linux is as important as the distribution(s) offered.

So, don't expect to see your favourite distribution on a Dell Linux laptop 
anytime soon - unless it's Ubuntu ;-) - but hey, IT'S LINUX.

Unfortunately, as stated above there are no more details as yet but they will 
be making more announcements in the coming weeks.

UPDATE: just had to add preinstalled to Kmail's dictionary! (Oh, and Ubuntu 
- never mind ;-) ) does a little dance.

OK, silly season over, get back to work ;-)

Jeff
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[gentoo-user] Missing init script in util-vserver?

2007-03-29 Thread Alan McKinnon
Hi,

Anyone else here using Linux-VServer?
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/vps/vserver-howto.xml

The howto has recently been updated, and section 2.7 says after emerging 
util-vserver-0.30.212 (no longer in portage) two init-scripts will be 
present on the host: vprocunhide  util-vserver

I'm running util-vserver-0.30.212-r2 and only /etc/init.d/vprocunhide is 
present, just as it was before. (there is 
an /etc/init.d/vservers.default, but that's something else). 
util-vserver-0.30.212-r1 also doesn't provide this second script.

Is this just a thinko in the docs, or something deeper?

alan


-- 
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Pessimists say the glass is half empty,
Developers say wtf is the glass twice as big as it needs to be?

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alan at linuxholdings dot co dot za
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Re: SOLVED: Recover from LVM errors? (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] Help - system reboots while compiling)

2007-03-29 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Thursday 29 March 2007 02:19:57 Alan McKinnon wrote:
 On Wednesday 28 March 2007, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
  That said, I'm very encouraged about ext4, and will probably migrate
  some unimportant data over to that filesystem in near future and
  perform my own bonnie++ tests.

 How do you plan to get around the decidedly non-trivial task of getting
 a decent fsck on a filesystem where plugins handle the metadata?

 Don't get me wrong, I think reiser4 is a good idea, and it's well
 thought out. But everything comes at a price, and in this case it's
 fsck


I think you misread me.  I'm interested in ext4, and disappointed in 
NameSys' 
handling of reiser4.  I love the *idea* of reiser4, but being able the 
resize 
the filesystem is *mandatory* for my setup, and I don't get that with 
reiser4.  However, forward movement on a resizer (and other, currently 
vaporware, filesystem features/utilties) had been completely abandoned to 
the 
effort of getting reiser4 mainlined, well before Hans' legal troubles 
started.  I feel this was/is a mistake; I have no problem running 
mm-sources 
when it has a feature I desire. But with the filesystem as it is I can't 
actually use it for more than testing.

I've heard some (but not enough) about ext4 and it seems promising.  I'm 
keeping my eye on it, and will probably throw some production data on it 
before it's mainlined.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: SOLVED: Recover from LVM errors? (Was: Re: Help - system reboots while compiling)

2007-03-29 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Thursday 29 March 2007 03:09:33 Remy Blank wrote:
 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
  troll
  ZFS?
  /troll
 
  You say troll, I say possibility; I'll certainly consider it.

 Actually, I would be very interested in using ZFS for my data.

 The troll was more about the fact that the ZFS license was explicitly
 designed to be GPL-2 incompatible, hence preventing it from being
 included into Linux (it would require a clean-room rewrite from the 
specs).

  However, the demos that I've seen about ZFS stress how easy it is to
  administer, and all the LVM-style features it has.  Personally,
  I've /very/ comfortable with LVM and am of the opinion that such 
features
  don't actually belong at the filesystem layer.

 I haven't made the step to LVM and am still using a plain old RAID-1
 mirror. I'm not that comfortable adding one more layer to the data path,
 and one more difficulty in case of hard disk failure.

  I need to good general purpose filesystem, what matters most to be is:
  1) Online growing of the filesystem, with LVM I use this a lot, I won't
  consider a filesystem I can't grow while it is in active use.
  2) Journaling or other techniques (FFS from the *BSD world does 
something
  they don't like to call journaling) that reduce the frequency of full
  fscks.
  3) All-round performance, and I don't mind it using extra CPU time or
  memory to make filesystem performance better, I have both to spare.
  4) Storage savings (like tail packing or transparent compression)

 I completely agree with 1) and 2), and 3) and 4) are nice to haves. What
 I like in ZFS is the data integrity check, i.e. every block gets a
 checksum, and it can auto-repair in a RAID-Z configuration, something
 that RAID-1 cannot.

RAID-3?/5/6 can self-repair like this, but the checksumming is done at the 
stripe, rather than inode level.  Since I use HW RAID-6 across 10 drives, 
I'm 
not that concerned with this done at the filesystem level.  Even without 
the 
extra disks, you can use SW RAID across partitions on a single (or small 
number of) disk(s).  [(Ab)uses of SW RAID like this are not something I'd 
always recommend, but can provide the integrity checks you desire.]

Also, EVMS provides a BBR (bad block relocatation) target, that can work 
around isolated disk failures.

 5) Reliable data integrity checks and self-healing capability.

Overall, I see this as something I'd rather see done at the block device 
level, instead of the filesystem level.  Surely, a filesystem should not 
shy 
away from sanity checks that can be done with little overhead besides CPU 
time, but adding a checksum to each block might be a little overkill.

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RE: [gentoo-user] Eez a byootiful dai todai

2007-03-29 Thread Kellystewart00
Let me kick this off by saying sorry for top posting its my blackberry...

This is good news very very good news but then again its a dell... Ill be very 
intererested to see how long this is going to take to roll it out!
Sent via BlackBerry® from Vodafone  

-Original Message-
From: Jeff Rollin [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:49:00 
To:Tyneside LUG [EMAIL PROTECTED], gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org,   [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]
Subject: [gentoo-user] Eez a byootiful dai todai


Hi lugs, 

Sorry for the cryptic headline but wanted to keep the suspense; sorry for 
crossposting too but this is important!

/Dell has announced it WILL be shipping preinstalled Desktop Linux on certain 
machines, desktop and laptop/ - more details will follow later.

Happily, it seems that [s]urvey respondents indicated that improved hardware 
support for Linux is as important as the distribution(s) offered.

So, don't expect to see your favourite distribution on a Dell Linux laptop 
anytime soon - unless it's Ubuntu ;-) - but hey, IT'S LINUX.

Unfortunately, as stated above there are no more details as yet but they will 
be making more announcements in the coming weeks.

UPDATE: just had to add preinstalled to Kmail's dictionary! (Oh, and Ubuntu 
- never mind ;-) ) does a little dance.

OK, silly season over, get back to work ;-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Eez a byootiful dai todai

2007-03-29 Thread Jeff Rollin
In the last episode, you wrote:
HH
HH In order to not get the deserved re-spammed like now, a few hints you
HH probably know anyway:
HH - Stop Cross-Posting. Seriously.
HH - Stop redefining importance.

So, preinstalled Linux is not important to you? Mind explaining why?

HH - Mark OT posts OT.

How is this off-topic?

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Re: [gentoo-user] openssl certificates generation under gentoo

2007-03-29 Thread Buffalo Dickens

Daniel, such a detailed explanation! I am grateful for all of this!

Yours,
Buffalo



2007/3/29, Daniel Iliev [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


Buffalo Dickens wrote:
 Many thanks Rumen! Actually I came across many error notifications
 during self certificate generation under Windows 2003 with openssl. As
 this is the gentoo maillist, I will not and should not paste the
 detailed error messages here:)

 So I just want to bypass this step under Win, letting linux take this
 task over. I do not know whether there will be some underlying
 conflict in doing this.

 Also, I will study what you provide me carefully. Thanks a lot!

 --
 You will when you BELIEVE.
 Buffalo Dickens



 2007/3/29, Rumen Yotov [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:44:20 +0800
 Buffalo Dickens  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hi all! I am not familiar with openssl at all. Here I got a
problem.
  My Windows 2003 can not (or I can not) accomplish the task of
  generating a private key file and a csr file. That holds up my
  process of going on with authentication between it and other host
  servers.
 
  I wonder if gentoo linux is able to help finish this step for Win?
I
  mean, using openssl under gentoo to generate a whole set of
private
  key and certificate and transferring them to Win host for its use.
I
  do not know whether that is feasible. Any suggestion will be
  appreciated! Thank you!
 
 Hi,

 IMO any linux can do this, you only need openssl (which is BTW also
 available for Windows, IIRC).
 Google for the concrete commands (generate a self-signed
certificate).
 Or better try openca.org http://openca.org to do the work for
 you ;)
 HTH. Rumen
 --
 gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailto:gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list




Assuming you want to enable SSL on your Windows Web Server (IIS) you
might try this:

1) Generate Cert. Authority on the Gentoo Box:

openssl genrsa -des3 -out CA.key 1024

(import CA.crt in all the clients in order to make them recognize the CA
and accept the certificates signed by it)

2) Create Cert. Request (Windows Box):
- Open the Internet Manager
- Select the site you want to create a key for
- Right-click  Properties
- Select Directory Security
- Go to Server Certificate
- Follow the steps and create a New CSR
- Save your CSR as new.csr
- Transfer it to the Gentoo box

3) Sign the CSR on the Gentoo box:

openssl x509 -req -days 365 -in new.csr -CA CA.crt -CAkey CA.key
-CAcreateserial -out new.crt

4) Transfer the signed cert. back to the Windows Box and install it:

- Open the Internet Manager
- Select the site you requested a certif. for
- Right-click  properties
- Go to Directory Security tab
- Choose Server Certificate
- Choose that you want to complete the pending request
- Select the .crt file that you transferred from the Gentoo box


HTH

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[gentoo-user] Re: SOLVED: Recover from LVM errors? (Was: Re: Help - system reboots while compiling)

2007-03-29 Thread Remy Blank
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
 RAID-3?/5/6 can self-repair like this, but the checksumming is done at the 
 stripe, rather than inode level. 

AFAIK, RAID-5 doesn't self-heal except for the specific case where a bad
block is detected by the hardware, so the RAID driver knows which drive
has the bad stripe. If the parity is just inconsistent, there is no way
of knowing which drive's stripe should be reconstructed.

RAID-6 OTOH should be able to do that.

 Surely, a filesystem should not shy 
 away from sanity checks that can be done with little overhead besides CPU 
 time, but adding a checksum to each block might be a little overkill.

As long as performance is OK, I am willing to sacrifice the space for
the per-block checksum.

BTW, 10 drives? Nice setup!

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Re: SOLVED: Recover from LVM errors? (Was: Re: [gentoo-user] Help - system reboots while compiling)

2007-03-29 Thread Hemmann, Volker Armin
On Donnerstag, 29. März 2007, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:

 I think you misread me.  I'm interested in ext4, and disappointed in
 NameSys'
 handling of reiser4.  I love the *idea* of reiser4, but being able the
 resize
 the filesystem is *mandatory* for my setup, and I don't get that with
 reiser4.  However, forward movement on a resizer (and other, currently
 vaporware, filesystem features/utilties) had been completely abandoned to
 the
 effort of getting reiser4 mainlined, well before Hans' legal troubles
 started.  I feel this was/is a mistake; I have no problem running
 mm-sources
 when it has a feature I desire. But with the filesystem as it is I can't
 actually use it for more than testing.

That is your point of view.

For others, 'Resizing' is something that is not needed and never used. But 
being in mainline is mandatory! -mm Kernels are full of experimental stuff, 
highly unstable and very buggy. Nothing you can really trust. So as long as 
something does not show up in the Linus' Kernel, it is not usable. And that 
does not cover the testing something gets in Linus' kernel, that is simply 
not there with -mm kernels.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: SOLVED: Recover from LVM errors? (Was: Re: Help - system reboots while compiling)

2007-03-29 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Thursday 29 March 2007, Remy Blank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote 
about '[gentoo-user]  Re: SOLVED: Recover from LVM errors? (Was: Re: 
Help - system reboots while compiling)':
 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
  Surely, a filesystem should not shy
  away from sanity checks that can be done with little overhead besides
  CPU time, but adding a checksum to each block might be a little
  overkill.

 As long as performance is OK, I am willing to sacrifice the space for
 the per-block checksum.

Yeah, if It's a CRC32 that's only 4 bytes out of a 4k block.  .1% space 
overhead is paltry compared to the space cost of RAID-3/5/6.

Even if it's something longer with error correction as well as detection, 
like a Hamming code, I imagine it could be *very* useful.  Most 
checksums/checkdigits [e.g. CRC16/CRC32 or using any Crypo hash as a 
checksum] only do error detection, but the theory behind error correction 
has been around nearly as long, it's just more expensive.  More layers 
of redundancy are generally a good thing.

 BTW, 10 drives? Nice setup!

The machine's hostname is monster for a reason. 2x Dual-Core Opteron 
275s, 2x NVidia 7800GTX (overclocked by BFG), 4G RAM, 10x 500G Hitachi's 
in 2x Chenbro 5-in-3 enclosures (in RAID6 = ~4TB usable space), 2x 74G 
Raptors in software RAID-0, Dell 1905FP + Dell 2407WFP, 7.1 sound, SATA 
DVD+/-RW drive, basically everything I could ever need.  Built it myself 
(well, with the help of my geek friends as well) in the 1st half of 2005, 
although I've added some to it since then (drives and monitor).

There's a pic and blog post about it on the drupal installation @ my 
domain, listed in my .sig.

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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] openssl certificates generation under gentoo

2007-03-29 Thread Daniel Iliev
Buffalo Dickens wrote:
 Daniel, such a detailed explanation! I am grateful for all of this!
  
 Yours,
 Buffalo

That's th list for, isn't it? ;-)
Is the problem solved now?


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[gentoo-user] media-plugins/audacious-plugins make error

2007-03-29 Thread Daniel Iliev
Hi,

Has anyone seen this and is there a solution:

My USE flags:

emerge -pv audacious-plugins
[ebuild U ] media-plugins/audacious-plugins-1.2.5 [1.2.2-r1]
USE=aac alsa flac modplug mp3 nls oss sndfile vorbis wma -arts -chardet
-esd -jack -lirc -musepack -pulseaudio -sid -timidity -wavpack%
(-libnotify%) 0 kB


The error:

CC configure.c
  LINK libscrobbler.so
configure.o: In function `create_cfgdlg':
configure.c:(.text+0x429): undefined reference to `bmp_cfg_db_open'
configure.c:(.text+0x455): undefined reference to `bmp_cfg_db_get_string'
configure.c:(.text+0x48e): undefined reference to `bmp_cfg_db_close'
configure.o: In function `saveconfig':
configure.c:(.text+0x502): undefined reference to `bmp_cfg_db_open'
configure.c:(.text+0x523): undefined reference to `bmp_cfg_db_set_string'
configure.c:(.text+0x536): undefined reference to `bmp_cfg_db_close'
configure.c:(.text+0x874): undefined reference to `bmp_cfg_db_set_string'
gtkstuff.o: In function `errorbox_show':
gtkstuff.c:(.text+0x2f): undefined reference to `xmms_show_message'
gtkstuff.o: In function `about_show':
gtkstuff.c:(.text+0xcf): undefined reference to `xmms_show_message'
xmms_scrobbler.o: In function `cleanup':
xmms_scrobbler.c:(.text+0x6d): undefined reference to
`prefswin_page_destroy'
xmms_scrobbler.o: In function `init':
xmms_scrobbler.c:(.text+0x13f): undefined reference to `prefswin_page_new'
xmms_scrobbler.c:(.text+0x146): undefined reference to `bmp_cfg_db_open'
xmms_scrobbler.c:(.text+0x169): undefined reference to
`bmp_cfg_db_get_string'
xmms_scrobbler.c:(.text+0x184): undefined reference to
`bmp_cfg_db_get_string'
xmms_scrobbler.c:(.text+0x18c): undefined reference to `bmp_cfg_db_close'
xmms_scrobbler.o: In function `xs_thread':
xmms_scrobbler.c:(.text+0x374): undefined reference to
`xmms_remote_get_playlist_pos'
xmms_scrobbler.c:(.text+0x387): undefined reference to
`xmms_remote_get_playlist_file'
xmms_scrobbler.c:(.text+0x399): undefined reference to
`xmms_remote_get_playlist_length'
xmms_scrobbler.c:(.text+0x3aa): undefined reference to
`xmms_remote_get_output_time'
xmms_scrobbler.c:(.text+0x3c1): undefined reference to
`xmms_remote_get_playlist_time'
xmms_scrobbler.c:(.text+0x415): undefined reference to
`xmms_remote_is_paused'
xmms_scrobbler.c:(.text+0x432): undefined reference to
`xmms_remote_is_repeat'
xmms_scrobbler.c:(.text+0x7a8): undefined reference to
`xmms_remote_is_playing'
xmms_scrobbler.c:(.text+0x7e1): undefined reference to `playlist_get_tuple'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[3]: *** [libscrobbler.so] Error 1
make[2]: *** [build] Error 2
make[1]: *** [build] Error 2
make: *** [build] Error 2

!!! ERROR: media-plugins/audacious-plugins-1.2.5 failed.
Call stack:
  ebuild.sh, line 1614:   Called dyn_compile
  ebuild.sh, line 971:   Called qa_call 'src_compile'
  environment, line 3336:   Called src_compile
  audacious-plugins-1.2.5.ebuild, line 91:   Called die

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[gentoo-user] Thermal cpu

2007-03-29 Thread Sylvain Chouleur

Hello

I have a little problem on my gentoo, when I check the temperature I see 
that it is always about 10°C higher than when I am on debian. However, the 
cpu is at 0.3% used, as in debian.


The problem is that with this gap, the fan is always active and I want that 
my gentoo be well installed


Have any ideas to resolve that problem?

Thank you very much

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Re: [gentoo-user] Installing Text::Query

2007-03-29 Thread Grant

 I need to use Text::Query::Advanced on my server so I guess I need to
 install Text::Query.  Is there no ebuild for that module?  If not, I
 remember there was a Gentoo tool for installing CPAN modules that
 aren't in portage.  What was that tool called?

I believe you're looking for g-cpan.


Thanks David.  g-cpan generated an ebuild for Text::Query in
/usr/local/portage and then I was able to emerge it like any other
overlay ebuild.  Very nice.  It seems like I should submit the
generated ebuild to bugs.gentoo.org for inclusion in portage.  Is that
worthwhile?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Busybox update fail

2007-03-29 Thread Mick
On Wednesday 28 March 2007 23:01, Benno Schulenberg wrote:
 Mick wrote:
  On Wednesday 28 March 2007 07:53, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
   you'll normally want to generate your errors in the C locale
   before posting them here or in bugzilla.
 
  Hmm, out of curiosity, how do you go about doing that?

 By preceding the relevant command with  LC_ALL=C.  Like so:

 # LC_ALL=C  emerge -1 busybox

Cool, thanks.

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[gentoo-user] ssh escape command

2007-03-29 Thread Mick
How do you explain this:

I am in a ssh session.  I type ~. to end the session.  The first time it 
says command not found, the second time the escape character is recognised 
and executed, I am logged out.
=
$ ~.
-bash: ~.: command not found
$ Connection to blah.blah.blah. closed.
=
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Re: [gentoo-user] Installing Text::Query

2007-03-29 Thread David Lindquist

On 3/29/07, Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I need to use Text::Query::Advanced on my server so I guess I need to
  install Text::Query.  Is there no ebuild for that module?  If not, I
  remember there was a Gentoo tool for installing CPAN modules that
  aren't in portage.  What was that tool called?

 I believe you're looking for g-cpan.

Thanks David.  g-cpan generated an ebuild for Text::Query in
/usr/local/portage and then I was able to emerge it like any other
overlay ebuild.  Very nice.  It seems like I should submit the
generated ebuild to bugs.gentoo.org for inclusion in portage.  Is that
worthwhile?


Nope.  See http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/ebuild-submit.xml.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Installing Text::Query

2007-03-29 Thread Grant

   I need to use Text::Query::Advanced on my server so I guess I need to
   install Text::Query.  Is there no ebuild for that module?  If not, I
   remember there was a Gentoo tool for installing CPAN modules that
   aren't in portage.  What was that tool called?
 
  I believe you're looking for g-cpan.

 Thanks David.  g-cpan generated an ebuild for Text::Query in
 /usr/local/portage and then I was able to emerge it like any other
 overlay ebuild.  Very nice.  It seems like I should submit the
 generated ebuild to bugs.gentoo.org for inclusion in portage.  Is that
 worthwhile?

Nope.  See http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/ebuild-submit.xml.


Ok, are all perl modules in CPAN being deleted from portage?

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Re: [gentoo-user] ssh escape command

2007-03-29 Thread felix
On Thu, Mar 29, 2007 at 05:10:43PM +0100, Mick wrote:
 How do you explain this:
 
 I am in a ssh session.  I type ~. to end the session.  The first time it 
 says command not found, the second time the escape character is recognised 
 and executed, I am logged out.
 =
 $ ~.
 -bash: ~.: command not found
 $ Connection to blah.blah.blah. closed.
 =

Don't know about that, but I just found a peculiarity in ssh.  If I
ssh from a to b to c, ~. terminates the a-b session which also
terminates the b-c session of course.  Use ~~. instead to first
terminate the b-c session while leaving a-b intact, but immediately
folloing that with ~. to terminate the a-b session does not work; it
gives command no found from bash.  You have to give any other
command in betweenm, even ENTER alone, then the ~. will properly
terminate the a-b session.

This might be what you were seeing, if you had just used ~~. to
terminate a nested session.

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Re: [gentoo-user] ssh escape command

2007-03-29 Thread Willie Wong
On Thu, Mar 29, 2007 at 09:49:35AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  How do you explain this:
  
  I am in a ssh session.  I type ~. to end the session.  The first time it 
  says command not found, the second time the escape character is recognised 
  and executed, I am logged out.
  =
  $ ~.
  -bash: ~.: command not found
  $ Connection to blah.blah.blah. closed.
  =
snip
 This might be what you were seeing, if you had just used ~~. to
 terminate a nested session.

You are on the right track, but not quite:

From the man page: the ~ character has to be preceded by a newline to be 
recognized as special. The reason that ~~. followed by ~. does not terminate 
your initial connection is because the first layer of ssh still thinks
you are typing on the same line. Basically the first layer of ssh sees this
sequence ~~.~. and the first two tildes makes it think: ah, this is not 
an escape sequence, and sends the string ~.~. to the remote shell, the 
first two of which gets trapped by the second ssh layer to mean disconnect
and the second two characters is just received by the shell. 

So, most likely the OP was typing something/anything that gave him a empty 
prompt without hitting a newline (hitting ^C, ^Z on a running program or 
just on the shell, typing something and hitting backspace to delete it...)

Incidentally, you shouldn't need to hit the newline before the disconnect
occurs. The minute you actually see the ~ appear on the screen you should 
know that it is not being interpreted as an escape character. 

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[gentoo-user] File not listed in Manifest

2007-03-29 Thread Mick
Hi All,

Any idea what this is about:
==
# emerge -upDv world

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating world dependencies \!!! A file is not listed in the 
Manifest: '/usr/portage/app-office/openoffice-bin/openoffice-bin-2.2.0.ebuild'  
  ... 
done!
[ebuild UD] sys-apps/parted-1.7.1-r1 [1.8.2] USE=nls readline -debug 
(-device-mapper%) (-selinux%) 0 kB 

Total: 1 package (1 downgrade), Size of downloads: 0 kB
==

And this is what the file/permissions looks like:

# ls -la /usr/portage/app-office/openoffice-bin/openoffice-bin-2.2.0.ebuild
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5560 Mar 29 
13:11 /usr/portage/app-office/openoffice-bin/openoffice-bin-2.2.0.ebuild
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Re: [gentoo-user] Installing Text::Query

2007-03-29 Thread David Lindquist

On 3/29/07, Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I need to use Text::Query::Advanced on my server so I guess I need to
install Text::Query.  Is there no ebuild for that module?  If not, I
remember there was a Gentoo tool for installing CPAN modules that
aren't in portage.  What was that tool called?
  
   I believe you're looking for g-cpan.
 
  Thanks David.  g-cpan generated an ebuild for Text::Query in
  /usr/local/portage and then I was able to emerge it like any other
  overlay ebuild.  Very nice.  It seems like I should submit the
  generated ebuild to bugs.gentoo.org for inclusion in portage.  Is that
  worthwhile?

 Nope.  See http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/ebuild-submit.xml.

Ok, are all perl modules in CPAN being deleted from portage?


http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/handbook/handbook.xml?part=3chap=1#doc_chap2_sect2

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Re: [gentoo-user] File not listed in Manifest

2007-03-29 Thread Vladimir Rusinov

On 3/29/07, Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi All,

Any idea what this is about:
==
# emerge -upDv world

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating world dependencies \!!! A file is not listed in the
Manifest: '/usr/portage/app-office/openoffice-bin/openoffice-
bin-2.2.0.ebuild'...
done!
[ebuild UD] sys-apps/parted-1.7.1-r1 [1.8.2] USE=nls readline -debug
(-device-mapper%) (-selinux%) 0 kB

Total: 1 package (1 downgrade), Size of downloads: 0 kB
==

And this is what the file/permissions looks like:

# ls -la /usr/portage/app-office/openoffice-bin/openoffice-
bin-2.2.0.ebuild
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5560 Mar 29
13:11 /usr/portage/app-office/openoffice-bin/openoffice-bin-2.2.0.ebuild



Just `emerge --sync`.
May be your last sync contains errors or was make in a wrong time.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Installing Text::Query

2007-03-29 Thread Grant

 I need to use Text::Query::Advanced on my server so I guess I need to
 install Text::Query.  Is there no ebuild for that module?  If not, I
 remember there was a Gentoo tool for installing CPAN modules that
 aren't in portage.  What was that tool called?
   
I believe you're looking for g-cpan.
  
   Thanks David.  g-cpan generated an ebuild for Text::Query in
   /usr/local/portage and then I was able to emerge it like any other
   overlay ebuild.  Very nice.  It seems like I should submit the
   generated ebuild to bugs.gentoo.org for inclusion in portage.  Is that
   worthwhile?
 
  Nope.  See http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/ebuild-submit.xml.

 Ok, are all perl modules in CPAN being deleted from portage?

http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/handbook/handbook.xml?part=3chap=1#doc_chap2_sect2


Alright, thanks.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Thermal cpu

2007-03-29 Thread luis . emc2
On Thu, Mar 29, 2007 at 04:27:36PM +0200, Sylvain Chouleur wrote:
 Hello
 
 I have a little problem on my gentoo, when I check the temperature I see 
 that it is always about 10°C higher than when I am on debian. However, the 
 cpu is at 0.3% used, as in debian.

Check the file /etc/sensors.conf (or copy the debian file)

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Re: [gentoo-user] File not listed in Manifest

2007-03-29 Thread Mick
On Thursday 29 March 2007 20:31, Vladimir Rusinov wrote:
 On 3/29/07, Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi All,
 
  Any idea what this is about:
  ==
  # emerge -upDv world
 
  These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
 
  Calculating world dependencies \!!! A file is not listed in the
  Manifest: '/usr/portage/app-office/openoffice-bin/openoffice-
  bin-2.2.0.ebuild'...
  done!
  [ebuild UD] sys-apps/parted-1.7.1-r1 [1.8.2] USE=nls readline -debug
  (-device-mapper%) (-selinux%) 0 kB
 
  Total: 1 package (1 downgrade), Size of downloads: 0 kB
  ==
 
  And this is what the file/permissions looks like:
 
  # ls -la /usr/portage/app-office/openoffice-bin/openoffice-
  bin-2.2.0.ebuild
  -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5560 Mar 29
  13:11 /usr/portage/app-office/openoffice-bin/openoffice-bin-2.2.0.ebuild

 Just `emerge --sync`.
 May be your last sync contains errors or was make in a wrong time.

Thanks, I've eix-sync'ed twice so far, with different servers.  What I did 
yesterday which I doubt is in any way related to this, is I ran 'emerge -ufv 
openoffice' to download the source file.  This machine is actually running 
openoffice-bin, but I needed the source for another machine on my lan.  
Anyway, resyncing did not fix it.

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[gentoo-user] Re: Eez a byootiful dai todai

2007-03-29 Thread »Q«
In news:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Jeff Rollin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So, preinstalled Linux is not important to you? Mind explaining why?

I'm not the one you asked, but preinstalled Linux isn't important to
me.  There are plenty of GNU/Linux users who aren't evangelists.

(I would like to stop getting spam from pwned Windows boxes, but I
expect spammers to find a way to pump it out even if all Windows boxes
are removed from the 'net.)

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Re: [gentoo-user] File not listed in Manifest

2007-03-29 Thread Zac Medico
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Mick wrote:
 Anyway, resyncing did not fix it.
 
 Any more ideas?

It's fixed in cvs now.  The fix will trickle down to all the mirrors
pretty soon.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Eez a byootiful dai todai

2007-03-29 Thread Bo Ørsted Andresen
On Thursday 29 March 2007 12:43:22 Jeff Rollin wrote:
 HH In order to not get the deserved re-spammed like now, a few hints you
 HH probably know anyway:
 HH - Stop Cross-Posting. Seriously.
 HH - Stop redefining importance.

Agreed.

 So, preinstalled Linux is not important to you? Mind explaining why?

Because Linux is free? Either way that's besides the point.

 HH - Mark OT posts OT.

 How is this off-topic?

This isn't a general Linux list. It's a Gentoo specific support list. There 
are others medias much more suited for that kind of information.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Eez a byootiful dai todai

2007-03-29 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:58:20 -0500, »Q« wrote:

  So, preinstalled Linux is not important to you? Mind explaining why?  
 
 I'm not the one you asked, but preinstalled Linux isn't important to
 me.  There are plenty of GNU/Linux users who aren't evangelists.

There are two reasons why it would be good for you, even if you intend to
replace the installed Linux with something better:

1) You know that all the hardware works with Linux. If they supply driver
   for Ubuntu, you can get them for Gentoo (unless Dell do something
   horrid like using ndiswrapper)

2) You don't have to pay for a Windows licence.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Eez a byootiful dai todai

2007-03-29 Thread Richard Cox
On Thu, Mar 29, 2007 at 11:43:22AM +0100, Jeff Rollin wrote:
 So, preinstalled Linux is not important to you? Mind explaining why?

I'd have to say its definatly not important to me.  As it is, I never use a 
'generic' install, so I wouldn't want to have a preinstalled version.  Just 
means that there are going to be a bunch of factory default root passwords out 
there coming off the Dell assembly line.  (I guess they could randomize it or 
prompt for a new password on first boot, but my guess is they won't).

So being that this is a Gentoo list, I'm going to go with a guess that nobody 
on here has the same install between them, because.. well its Gentoo :)

And second have you bought a windows machine from DELL anytime recently, they 
load them full of their crap and you pretty much have to do a fresh install 
anyways to get rid of it.  I'm willing to bet they'll do the same to Linux 
preinstall as well.

Would I like to see Linux prosper, sure.  This may even be a good step for it, 
but its not really relevent to this list.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Eez a byootiful dai todai

2007-03-29 Thread Jeff Rollin
In the last episode, Richard Cox wrote:
RC On Thu, Mar 29, 2007 at 11:43:22AM +0100, Jeff Rollin wrote:
RC  So, preinstalled Linux is not important to you? Mind explaining why?
RC
RC I'd have to say its definatly not important to me.  As it is, I never use
 a 'generic' install, so I wouldn't want to have a preinstalled version. 
 Just means that there are going to be a bunch of factory default root
 passwords out there coming off the Dell assembly line.  (I guess they could
 randomize it or prompt for a new password on first boot, but my guess is
 they won't). RC
RC So being that this is a Gentoo list, I'm going to go with a guess that
 nobody on here has the same install between them, because.. well its Gentoo
 :) RC

True enough - however I support this because it gets rid of the Windows tax.

RC And second have you bought a windows machine from DELL anytime recently,
 they load them full of their crap and you pretty much have to do a fresh
 install anyways to get rid of it.  I'm willing to bet they'll do the same to
 Linux preinstall as well. RC

Again, all true - but if we can get well-supported Linux-compatible laptops 
from mainstream vendors without the Windows tax, imo even if we have to 
install Gentoo ourselves, it's all good.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Eez a byootiful dai todai

2007-03-29 Thread Jeff Rollin
In the last episode, »Q« wrote:
»Q In news:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
»Q Jeff Rollin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
»Q
»Q  So, preinstalled Linux is not important to you? Mind explaining why?
»Q
»Q I'm not the one you asked, but preinstalled Linux isn't important to
»Q me.  There are plenty of GNU/Linux users who aren't evangelists.
»Q
I take it that by evangelists you mean people who want boxen which are 
well-supported by Linux and don't have software they don't need.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Thermal cpu

2007-03-29 Thread Sylvain Chouleur

But I don't have this file
What program is supposed to make it?


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Thermal cpu
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 21:40:46 +0200

On Thu, Mar 29, 2007 at 04:27:36PM +0200, Sylvain Chouleur wrote:
 Hello

 I have a little problem on my gentoo, when I check the temperature I see
 that it is always about 10°C higher than when I am on debian. However, 
the

 cpu is at 0.3% used, as in debian.

Check the file /etc/sensors.conf (or copy the debian file)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Thermal cpu

2007-03-29 Thread Jan-Hendrik Zab
On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 23:28:10 +0200
Sylvain Chouleur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 But I don't have this file
 What program is supposed to make it?
 
lm_sensors

How are you checking the temperatures?

 On Thu, Mar 29, 2007 at 04:27:36PM +0200, Sylvain Chouleur wrote:
   Hello
  
   I have a little problem on my gentoo, when I check the temperature I see
   that it is always about 10°C higher than when I am on debian. However, 
 the
   cpu is at 0.3% used, as in debian.
 
 Check the file /etc/sensors.conf (or copy the debian file)


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[gentoo-user] Re: Eez a byootiful dai todai

2007-03-29 Thread »Q«
In news:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:58:20 -0500, »Q« wrote:
 
   So, preinstalled Linux is not important to you? Mind explaining
   why?
  
  I'm not the one you asked, but preinstalled Linux isn't important to
  me.  There are plenty of GNU/Linux users who aren't evangelists.  
 
 There are two reasons why it would be good for you, even if you
 intend to replace the installed Linux with something better:
 
 1) You know that all the hardware works with Linux. If they supply
 driver for Ubuntu, you can get them for Gentoo (unless Dell do
 something horrid like using ndiswrapper)

Already I know that the hardware I buy will work with Gentoo.  If I got
a Dell with preinstalled GNU/Linux, I could know that without engaging
$searchengine, but avoiding searches isn't important to me.

 2) You don't have to pay for a Windows licence.

Already I don't have to pay for a Windows license.

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[gentoo-user] Re: Eez a byootiful dai todai

2007-03-29 Thread »Q«
In news:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Jeff Rollin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In the last episode, »Q« wrote:

 »Q I'm not the one you asked, but preinstalled Linux isn't important
 »Q to  me.  There are plenty of GNU/Linux users who aren't
 »Q evangelists. 
 I take it that by evangelists you mean people who want boxen which
 are well-supported by Linux and don't have software they don't need.

No.  What Dell ships won't have any effect on whether or not I can get
such a box.

Okay, the laptop /did/ come with software I don't need, but neither is
that important to me.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Eez a byootiful dai todai

2007-03-29 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:20:27 -0500, »Q« wrote:

  1) You know that all the hardware works with Linux. If they supply
  driver for Ubuntu, you can get them for Gentoo (unless Dell do
  something horrid like using ndiswrapper)  
 
 Already I know that the hardware I buy will work with Gentoo.  If I got
 a Dell with preinstalled GNU/Linux, I could know that without engaging
 $searchengine, but avoiding searches isn't important to me.

That's all but impossible with a laptop, unless the shop lets you boot it
with a live CD before you buy, because manufacturers change chipsets
without changing the model name.

  2) You don't have to pay for a Windows licence.  
 
 Already I don't have to pay for a Windows license.

It is very difficult to buy a laptop without one. This is a non-issue for
desktops, where you can build your own using known components, but it is
a good step for those needing laptops, or for companies that want
warrantied pre-built hardware.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Thermal cpu

2007-03-29 Thread Dale
Sylvain Chouleur wrote:
 But I don't have this file
 What program is supposed to make it?



I use the lm-sensors built into the kernel and I don't have that file
either.  If he is using the kernel drivers that may be why he doesn't
have it.

Than again, I may be wrong too.  Funny thing is, mine is accurate as
compared to what the BIOS says.  Funny it is off like that.

Dale

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[gentoo-user] Re: Eez a byootiful dai todai

2007-03-29 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2007-03-29, Jeff Rollin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So, preinstalled Linux is not important to you?

No.

 Mind explaining why?

Because they won't have installed it they way I want it
installed.

I would be interested in a machine with no OS that's certified
to be Linux compatible, but I have no interest in paying
somebody to install some Linux distro I don't want just so I
can wipe it and install what I do want.

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[gentoo-user] Re: Eez a byootiful dai todai

2007-03-29 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2007-03-29, Jeff Rollin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Again, all true - but if we can get well-supported
 Linux-compatible laptops from mainstream vendors without the
 Windows tax, imo even if we have to install Gentoo ourselves,
 it's all good.

That's why I did buy a Laptop with Linux pre-installed for my
first laptop.  For it's replacement, I did buy one with Windows
installed, but I made sure it was a model that was available
with Linux pre-installed just to be confident that Linux would
work well.

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[gentoo-user] How can I force net.ath0 to use a certain channel?

2007-03-29 Thread Daevid Vincent
I have an atheros (mad-wifi) internal mini-pci 802.11 a/b/g card in my Dell 
i8200 notebook running Gentoo. I also have an Engenius hostap 802.11b 
card/antenna in my Gentoo server. What is frustrating, is that it's a 
crap-shoot when my ath0 will (or won't) start properly. I have no control 
over what channel (either numeric like 6, or alpha such as b vs. g) to 
connect to my AP (MATRIX).

Please tell me there is some way to tweak my /etc/conf.d/wireless (or anything 
for that matter), so that I can tell it, hey, when connecting to 'MATRIX', 
always use 802.11b and/or a certain channel range (presumably in the 'b' 
range).

Furthermore, it would REALLY be great if I could do something whereby, if I 
have net.eth0 (i.e. CAT5 cable) then don't start net.ath0, else try net.ath0. 
Right now I have net.ath0 disabled by default because I hate when it starts 
up when I'm plugged in at work, as my traffic seems to go over the slower 
ath0 rather than the faster eth0 port. ?! I have ifplugd installed, but I 
don't think it can manage this kind of (seemingly obvious and intelligent) 
decision.

locutus ~ # /etc/init.d/net.ath0 start
 * Starting ath0
 *   Configuring wireless network for ath0
 * ath0 connected to ESSID MATRIX at 00:00:00:00:00:00
 * in managed mode on channel 52 (WEP disabled)
 *   Configuration not set for ath0 - assuming DHCP
 *   Bringing up ath0
 * dhcp
 *   Running dhcpcd ...
Error, timed out waiting for a valid DHCP server response   
   
[ !! ]
locutus ~ # /etc/init.d/net.ath0 start
 * Starting ath0
 *   Configuring wireless network for ath0
 * ath0 connected to ESSID MATRIX at 00:00:00:00:00:00
 * in managed mode on channel 7 (WEP disabled)
 *   Configuration not set for ath0 - assuming DHCP
 *   Bringing up ath0
 * dhcp
 *   Running dhcpcd ...
Error, timed out waiting for a valid DHCP server response   
   
[ !! ]
locutus ~ # /etc/init.d/net.ath0 start
 * Starting ath0
 *   Configuring wireless network for ath0
 * ath0 connected to ESSID MATRIX at 00:02:6F:09:B2:B4
 * in managed mode on channel 6 (WEP disabled)
 *   Configuration not set for ath0 - assuming DHCP
 *   Bringing up ath0
 * dhcp
 *   Running dhcpcd ... 
   
[ ok ]
 *   ath0 received address 10.10.10.69/24
locutus ~ #
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[gentoo-user] recompile in a halted OOO emerge...

2007-03-29 Thread Jed R. Mallen

hello,

i terminated openoffice emerge in the middle of a compile.

can i continue from where i left off?

does emerge --resume resume from the middle of the compile or does it
start on a clean tree?

if not then can i just do a make somewhere in /var/tmp/portage/* and
continue the compile from there?

took so long...
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Eez a byootiful dai todai

2007-03-29 Thread Jeff Rollin
In the last episode, Neil Bothwick wrote:
NB On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:20:27 -0500, »Q« wrote:
NB
NB   1) You know that all the hardware works with Linux. If they supply
NB   driver for Ubuntu, you can get them for Gentoo (unless Dell do
NB   something horrid like using ndiswrapper)
NB 
NB  Already I know that the hardware I buy will work with Gentoo.  If I got
NB  a Dell with preinstalled GNU/Linux, I could know that without engaging
NB  $searchengine, but avoiding searches isn't important to me.
NB
NB That's all but impossible with a laptop, unless the shop lets you boot it
NB with a live CD before you buy, because manufacturers change chipsets
NB without changing the model name.
NB

Indeed - and that's even assuming you buy from a shop (that you walk into). 
Here in the UK, companies that sell preloaded Linux are as rare as hen's 
teeth, and though I can cope with written German, there are linguistic issues 
which would be involved if I bought a laptop from Germany and experienced 
problems - aside from the legal issues which would worry me buying either 
from there or the States. (What happens if it gets damaged in transit? Would 
they be liable for not living up to the guarantee? Is there a warranty that 
covers international customers? If I have to take legal action, where would I 
file a suit? etc.) Whatever happens, there's very little chance my next 
laptop purchase won't be made on line, so no liveCD testing possible.

Jeff
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