Re: [gentoo-user] fcron
W.Kenworthy wrote: Cant believe I am the only one who has this - 3 systems I have checked so far are all the same - root cant access its crontab. Ive tried rebuilding one without pam (fcron only), but no change. [Bug 171998] sys-process/fcron-3.0.2-r1 - root can't list/edit cronjobs. Trevor -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] RAID-0 with LVM - is there any point?
Hello Daniel Iliev, Actually I'd be glad to read some results from a Fake RAID-0 vs LVM tests. My bet would be that RAID-0 w/o LVM would give the best speeds Omitting LVM isn't an option, I'd lose all the flexibility that LVM offers. I don't see why RAID-0 should be necessarily more efficient than LVM, unless there's something superior about RAID-0's striping algorithms. I could do some before and after tests, but I'd first have the reformat the filesystems to remove any effects of fragmentation. If no one comes up with a good reason for keeping the RAID, I'll get rid of it, running bonnie++ before and after. -- Neil Bothwick Contentsoftaglinemaysettleduringshipping. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: Can I share my /boot and swap partitions with other Linux installs?
/etc, /var, /usr, /bin and so on I can see the (potential) problems. But just /root ? It is a must to have it does not contain important tuned up files, does it ? It is just an account that root use for admin task, so is there a known problem to share it ? I used to mount /root aside from /. Gal' 2007/4/2, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Monday 02 April 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-user] Re: Can I share my /boot and swap partitions with other Linux installs?': And what's about sharing /root ? is there any problem or not ? I never did it but was wondering about. No, different distros will require slightly different layouts in /etc (which is normally part of the same mount as /) and, in particular, will install (and confuse each other with) distro-specific scripts in /etc/init.d. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] k3b, konqueror DCOP error on start
Hello Jed R. Mallen, DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Authentication Rejected, reason : Non DCOPServer self-test failed. kdeinit: DCOPServer could not be started, aborting. ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Can't setup DCOP communication. === The only time I've seen this, it was caused by permissions preventing DCOP from opening sockets, due to a user sharing the same home directory between two distros. i checked dcop and came up with kdcop which is not installed but it's not on the dependency of the above kde apps. kdcop is a GUI for working with dcop, so nothing depends on it. The dcop command line program is part of kdelibs. Running that should give a list of your DCOP processes, if it gives an error, something is borked. Check ~/.xsession-errors too. -- Neil Bothwick KPLA: Warrior's Radio! All the glory, all the time! signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Thermal cpu
Hi, On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 23:05:09 +0200 Sylvain Chouleur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried to install and use lm_sensors but it don't detect any sensors. Since there are really lots of drivers, I just guess you didn't compile the right ones when building your kernel. Moreover, I think it's a problem of acpi or the kernel configuration because on my debian, I don't use lm_sensors, just acpi. That's two completely different things. May be detection is bad made or may be cpu id bad used, but top show me that: [...] ?!? How does top come into play here?!? and acpi -t: Thermal 1: ok, 65.0 degrees C OK, so ACPI temperature zone support is working. And at this state, on debian, the thermal is at 53 degrees C so and don't understand. If that's why you posted top output: It doesn't depend on absolute load. Maybe your debian box enables throttling, either ACPI P-States, or CPUfreq. You might want to play with the cpufreq ondemand governor (there's also an alternative implementation, read the docs of those kernel options) or cpufreqd. Is there some option to activate in the kernel to support better the thermal or cpu use? CPUfreq, see above. And it certainly won't make CPU use better (it throttles) -- but might lower the temperature. -hwh -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] mplayer output - funny characters on the terminal
Hi All, I think that I might have asked this before. When I launch mplayer some characters are not legible on the terminal that it was launched from. Any idea why this happens and how to fix it? = MPlayer 1.0rc1-4.1.1 (C) 2000-2006 MPlayer Team CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) III Mobile CPU 1066MHz (Family: 6, Model: 11, Stepping: 1) CPUflags: MMX: 1 MMX2: 0 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 0 Î~\εÏ~DάÏ~FÏ~AαÏ~Cη για x86 [EMAIL PROTECTED] με Ï~DιÏ~B ακÏ~LλοÏ~EθεÏ~B [EMAIL PROTECTED]: MMX SSE [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ï~DοÏ~E /mnt/video/dvdrip-data/the illusionist.avi Î~QναγνÏ~IÏ~AίÏ~CÏ~Dηκε αÏ~AÏ~Gείο [EMAIL PROTECTED] AVI! VIDEO: [XVID] 688x400 24bpp 23.976 fps 438.6 kbps (53.5 kbyte/s) == Î~Fνοιγμα [EMAIL PROTECTED]@οιηÏ~Dή βίνÏ~Dεο: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg's libavcodec codec family Selected video codec: [ffodivx] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg MPEG-4) == == Î~Fνοιγμα [EMAIL PROTECTED]@οιηÏ~Dή ήÏ~GοÏ~E: [mp3lib] MPEG layer-2, layer-3 AUDIO: 48000 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 96.0 kbit/6.25% (ratio: 12000-192000) Selected audio codec: [mp3] afm: mp3lib (mp3lib MPEG layer-2, layer-3) == AO: [oss] 48000Hz 2ch s16le (2 bytes per sample) Î~UκκίνηÏ~Cη [EMAIL PROTECTED] VDec: αίÏ~DηÏ~Cη για [EMAIL PROTECTED] vo - 688 x 400 ([EMAIL PROTECTED] csp: Planar YV12) VDec: using Planar YV12 as output csp (no 0) Î~W αναλογία Ï~DηÏ~B Ï~DαινίαÏ~B είναι 1.72:1 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] για Ï~Dην διÏ~LÏ~AθÏ~IÏ~Cη Ï~DηÏ~B εμÏ~FάνιÏ~CηÏ~B Ï~DηÏ~B Ï~DαινίαÏ~B. VO: [xv] 688x400 = 688x400 Planar YV12 = -- Regards, Mick pgpdtF5wxmwjq.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] emerge human readable format.
Is there a way to have human readable format with emerge ? It could be much more convenient to have this kind of information more readable : Number of files: 122567 Number of files transferred: 675 Total file size: 159275947 bytes Total transferred file size: 3030220 bytes Literal data: 3030220 bytes Matched data: 0 bytes File list size: 2969859 File list generation time: 2.042 seconds File list transfer time: 0.000 seconds Total bytes sent: 18837 Total bytes received: 4035665 sent 18837 bytes received 4035665 bytes 901000.44 bytes/sec total size is 159275947 speedup is 39.28 but I see no human readable formatting option. Any trick ? Gal' -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge human readable format.
On Tue, Apr 03, 2007 at 12:40:49PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a way to have human readable format with emerge ? It could be much more convenient to have this kind of information more readable : Number of files: 122567 Number of files transferred: 675 Total file size: 159275947 bytes Total transferred file size: 3030220 bytes Literal data: 3030220 bytes Matched data: 0 bytes File list size: 2969859 File list generation time: 2.042 seconds File list transfer time: 0.000 seconds Total bytes sent: 18837 Total bytes received: 4035665 sent 18837 bytes received 4035665 bytes 901000.44 bytes/sec total size is 159275947 speedup is 39.28 but I see no human readable formatting option. Any trick ? This is from rsync, so look there. You can (I hope) change the command to sync portage, so you can add some flags. However, what is unreadable about that? -- This email was generated by a biological random generator. If you want more random text, just respond to this email. Michal vorner Vaner pgpiBNWPbHztT.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge human readable format.
On Tuesday 03 April 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-user] emerge human readable format.': It could be much more convenient to have this kind of information more readable : That's the output of rsync, not emerge. but I see no human readable formatting option. Any trick ? Oddly enough, I find that quite human-readable, compared to some programs outputs. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ pgpsiKlD25Mlo.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: emerge human readable format.
Michal 'vorner' Vaner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can (I hope) change the command to sync portage, so you can add some flags. No, you cannot; at least not through some configuration. You can of course hack /usr/bin/emerge. Alexander Skwar -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How to resolve policy conflicts?
Dave Jones wrote: I'm sure that the Gentoo developers are doing their best to resolve the issues. I don't doubt that either. Unfortunately, I'm not talented enough myself to be able to contribute to a speedier solution to the problem. Neither am I. Anyway: however this will be resolved, maybe something can be learned from the solution for the future. Recently there has been a lot of unpleasant noise about conflicts and disagreements among the Gentoo developers. I hope that they will resolve their (mainly political) problems soon. The stories have not been good for the image of Gentoo, either as an organisation or as a distribution. As it stands, Gentoo continues to be my distro of choice. It would take a lot of grief to make me swap to another distro. Yep, I was a bit shocked when I read the news about the Code of Conduct on the Gentoo homepage. My first thought was: if a community considers it necessary to decide upon a document that is stating the obvious by essentially saying be respectful to others instead of treating them like shit then there must have been something going badly wrong beforehand. This impression of mine may be wrong since I'm not informed about the internals of the Gentoo dev community, but I would bet I'm not the only one who had this - or a similar - impression. Like you do, I also hope these conflicts will be resolved quickly. There are resons why Gentoo is my choice among the Linux distributions. If I had to change, now that would be something that would *really* hurt me. Regards mks -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge human readable format.
Hello Alexander Skwar, You can (I hope) change the command to sync portage, so you can add some flags. No, you cannot; at least not through some configuration. You can of course hack /usr/bin/emerge. Yes you can, by setting PORTAGE_RSYNC_EXTRA_OPTS in /etc/make.conf, but rsync doesn't appear to have an option to change this output, only suppress it. -- Neil Bothwick Is it true that cannibals don't eat clowns because they taste funny? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] fcron
Thanks - I searched before this was raised. At least I dont feel so lonely now :) BillK On Tue, 2007-04-03 at 17:01 +0930, Trevor Forbes wrote: W.Kenworthy wrote: Cant believe I am the only one who has this - 3 systems I have checked so far are all the same - root cant access its crontab. Ive tried rebuilding one without pam (fcron only), but no change. [Bug 171998] sys-process/fcron-3.0.2-r1 - root can't list/edit cronjobs. Trevor -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] fcron
On Tue, 2007-04-03 at 10:06 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Tuesday 03 April 2007, Trevor Forbes wrote: W.Kenworthy wrote: ... [Bug 171998] sys-process/fcron-3.0.2-r1 - root can't list/edit cronjobs. Getting a little OT here, but I find that a very interesting bug report. It seems sensible that adding root to the fcron group would fix the problem, but this raises an interesting question: ... didnt work for me - root was added, cron stopped an restarted. Logged in as root at another console - no change. Havnt rebooted though. BillK -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge human readable format.
On Tuesday 03 April 2007 14:05:14 Neil Bothwick wrote: Hello Alexander Skwar, You can (I hope) change the command to sync portage, so you can add some flags. No, you cannot; at least not through some configuration. You can of course hack /usr/bin/emerge. Yes you can, by setting PORTAGE_RSYNC_EXTRA_OPTS in /etc/make.conf, but rsync doesn't appear to have an option to change this output, only suppress it. You can also override PORTAGE_RSYNC_OPTS (the defaults are set in /etc/make.globals) in make.conf. What you cannot do is change the binary that it uses (/usr/bin/rsync). -- Bo Andresen pgpx2xttpN9qb.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge human readable format.
On Tuesday 03 April 2007 14:23:28 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: emerge --sync makes a call to rsync program ? I did not take the time yet to learn more about Gentoo specific softwares, but I will do that soon. Look at the sizes format in bytes. Today it often happens -well, most of the time- several Mo of download, so the byte unit is not very useful but Kb/Mb/Gb units could be a more human readable format. I used to deal with --si or -H when using df as an example. By default, size unit is byte, but when you want to understand the numbers with no mental extra operation, It is quite good to print the more suitable unit. From `man rsync`: -h, --human-readable Output numbers in a more human-readable format. This makes big numbers output using larger units, with a K, M, or G suffix. If this option was specified once, these units are K (1000), M (1000*1000), and G (1000*1000*1000); if the option is repeated, the units are powers of 1024 instead of 1000. So just add PORTAGE_RSYNC_EXTRA_OPTS=--human-readable to /etc/make.conf. -- Bo Andresen pgpLd14nOMBsd.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge human readable format.
Am Dienstag, 3. April 2007 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
emerge --sync makes a call to rsync program ? I did not take the time
yet to learn more about Gentoo specific softwares, but I will do that
soon. Look at the sizes format in bytes. Today it often happens -well,
most of the time- several Mo of download, so the byte unit is not very
useful but Kb/Mb/Gb units could be a more human readable format. I
used to deal with --si or -H when using df as an example. By default,
size unit is byte, but when you want to understand the numbers with no
mental extra operation, It is quite good to print the more suitable
unit.
Maybe it is possible.
man rsync with rsync version 2.6.9-r2 {~ Keyword} installed:
-h, --human-readable
Output numbers in a more human-readable format. This makes big
numbers output using larger units, with a K, M, or G suffix. If this option
was specified once, these
units are K (1000), M (1000*1000), and G (1000*1000*1000); if
the option is repeated, the units are powers of 1024 instead of 1000.
So you can add PORTAGE_RSYNC_EXTRA_OPTS=-h or
PORTAGE_RSYNC_EXTRA_OPTS=-h -h in your /etc/make.conf to do that.
--
Q: How many IBM CPU's does it take to do a logical right shift?
A: 33. 1 to hold the bits and 32 to push the register.
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Re: [gentoo-user] fcron
On Tuesday 03 April 2007, W.Kenworthy wrote: Havnt rebooted though Most unlikely to make any difference whatsoever. You'll probably sit with exactly the same situation after the reboot as before, this ain't windows alan -- Optimists say the glass is half full, Pessimists say the glass is half empty, Developers say wtf is the glass twice as big as it needs to be? Alan McKinnon alan at linuxholdings dot co dot za +27 82, double three seven, one nine three five -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge human readable format.
Great !!
Thanks guys,
I was out of business since I am launching emerge --sync and emerge
helper does not provide -h option. I need more readings on Portage I
think.
Gal'
2007/4/3, Heinz Hombergs [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Am Dienstag, 3. April 2007 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
emerge --sync makes a call to rsync program ? I did not take the time
yet to learn more about Gentoo specific softwares, but I will do that
soon. Look at the sizes format in bytes. Today it often happens -well,
most of the time- several Mo of download, so the byte unit is not very
useful but Kb/Mb/Gb units could be a more human readable format. I
used to deal with --si or -H when using df as an example. By default,
size unit is byte, but when you want to understand the numbers with no
mental extra operation, It is quite good to print the more suitable
unit.
Maybe it is possible.
man rsync with rsync version 2.6.9-r2 {~ Keyword} installed:
-h, --human-readable
Output numbers in a more human-readable format. This makes big
numbers output using larger units, with a K, M, or G suffix. If this option
was specified once, these
units are K (1000), M (1000*1000), and G (1000*1000*1000); if
the option is repeated, the units are powers of 1024 instead of 1000.
So you can add PORTAGE_RSYNC_EXTRA_OPTS=-h or
PORTAGE_RSYNC_EXTRA_OPTS=-h -h in your /etc/make.conf to do that.
--
Q: How many IBM CPU's does it take to do a logical right shift?
A: 33. 1 to hold the bits and 32 to push the register.
--
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge human readable format.
Hi,
On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 14:23:28 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I used to deal with --si or -H when using df as an example. By default,
size unit is byte, but when you want to understand the numbers with no
mental extra operation, It is quite good to print the more suitable
unit.
Let's see my previous example:
[...]
Total transferred file size: 3030220 bytes
[...]
well, if a 'human readable option' was available, we can imagine the
output to be:
Total transferred file size: 2.89 Mb
Is there any way to do that ?
I think it would be easy to come up with a simple perl script that
replaces occurences of nnn bytes with something adequate.
E.g.:
$ emerge --sync 21 | perl -pe 's/(\d{1,3})(\d{3})\d{3}\sbytes/\1,\2 MB/ ||
s/(\d{1,3})(\d{3})\sbytes/\1,\2 kB/'
It wouldn't be too hard to adopt it to non-SI units (i.e. div 1024),
but I'm too lazy.
-hwh
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Re: [gentoo-user] fcron
On Tue, 2007-04-03 at 14:49 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Tuesday 03 April 2007, W.Kenworthy wrote: Havnt rebooted though Most unlikely to make any difference whatsoever. You'll probably sit with exactly the same situation after the reboot as before, this ain't windows alan ah knows - what can a user do that root cant. I tried it without PAM compiled in - whats left? weird! BillK -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] fcron
Am Montag, 2. April 2007 schrieb ext Alan McKinnon: The OP has an interesting problem here, as root can cd into any directory even if all permissions are removed. root can, but user fcron can't: # ll /usr/bin/fcrontab -rwsr-sr-x 1 fcron fcron 47612 19. Mär 14:15 /usr/bin/fcrontab* Bill, a bit of a shot in the dark here, but what's the output from 'ls -al /var/spool/cron/'? On my system, this directory was owned by group cron, and a quick check showed that I had the same problem as Bill. Changing group to fcron for this directory fixed the problem. bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Capgemini Deutschland | Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hambornerstraße 55 | Web: http://www.capgemini.com D-40472 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net pgpeiDu77fF6v.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo on HP HP Pavilion dv6305us
Hello Adrian, I have installed Gentoo on a HP Pavilion 6258SE. Maybe some of the instructions apply to your box, too. There is no need to be so strict about the model and specifications; most guidelines for the dv6000 series will apply to your machine. Also, be the first to post the dv6305us results on linux-laptop.net and tuxmobil.org! On 02/04/07, Adrian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy, I've done some googling but no useful results yet. I'm wondering if anyone has tried installing Gentoo on a HP HP Pavilion dv6305us and if so, how did that work out? thanks for any input. Adrian -- On The Fly Photography -:- Creation From Chaos On The Fly Photography: http://204EastSouth.com Purchase from On The Fly: http://204EastSouth.com/OTFStore.htm The Cynical Libertarian Society: http://www.204EastSouth.com/cls -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Fabio A. Correa D. Physics Dept, Universidad Nacional, Bogota, Colombia [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] My webpage and OpenPGP key at http://facorread.150m.com My alexandria.cc address is not available anymore. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] fcron
On Tuesday 03 April 2007, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: # ll /usr/bin/fcrontab -rwsr-sr-x 1 fcron fcron 47612 19. Mär 14:15 /usr/bin/fcrontab* Ah, there's the problem. I saw earlier that the fcron directory is suid root, which is redundant as it has no effect. I didn't check the actual binary though which is suid fcron. I would have thought that suid is ignored if the binary is run by root, but apparently not. And why is fcrontab not suid root anyway like crontab is: nazgul system32 # ll /usr/bin/crontab -rws--x--- 1 root cron 30888 Sep 4 2006 /usr/bin/crontab* alan -- Optimists say the glass is half full, Pessimists say the glass is half empty, Developers say wtf is the glass twice as big as it needs to be? Alan McKinnon alan at linuxholdings dot co dot za +27 82, double three seven, one nine three five -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] OT (ish): What are the average requirements of a small business server?
Hello list!! With the advent of Vista and all the bells and whistles that it provides, one can't help think that a lot of this functionality is grossly overkill for a small business environment. I've not actually checked how SBS2003 will develop, but I'm sure that it will continue to tow the glitzier line Myself and a friend are looking to create a linux based system that contains some of the details what are listed below, but presented in a fashion that is easy for the end user to understand (even easier than webmin!). You see, to some end user I've shown webmin to, they've completely understood the concept, but still lacked some of the technical capability to properly use it and configure their servers as needed. Anyway, here is some of the list that we are thinking about implementing: * Caching DNS Server * DHCP Server * Iptables firewall / NAT * Content filtering * Local intranet CMS - LAMP-based * Shared wiki and / or blogs * Groupware * Email server * Shared calendars * Spam scanning with mgmnt * LDAP directory server * A/V - clamd * Database server - Mysql * Jabber server * SAMBA File-server * Client auth for Lin / Win clients * Remote mounted home directories * Printer sharing for Lin / Win clients * Terminal Services? I realise that these are a lot of services, so let's boil them down to a few essential services * File sharing * Print sharing * Email * 'Clean' Internet access to other LAN machines. What I'd be interested in knowing, is people's experience of such small business environments. How much certain aspects are used... such as how much groupware is used etc.. I'm sure that these are pretty open ended questions with even more open ended answers, but any input would be most welcome Thanks! Joel and Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Thermal cpu
Hello! I have found the source of my problem: I've not a wifi card integrated in my laptop and so I'm using a usb dongle with ndiswrapper driver. And it's when this usb key is plugged that the acpi temperature is growing and it don't happens if it's a classic usb key (storage for example) which is plugged. So we have changed the problem! But it is not resolved :( So do you have any idea for this problem?? Thank you for your help! From: Hans-Werner Hilse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Thermal cpu Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:24:10 +0200 Hi, On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 23:05:09 +0200 Sylvain Chouleur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried to install and use lm_sensors but it don't detect any sensors. Since there are really lots of drivers, I just guess you didn't compile the right ones when building your kernel. Moreover, I think it's a problem of acpi or the kernel configuration because on my debian, I don't use lm_sensors, just acpi. That's two completely different things. May be detection is bad made or may be cpu id bad used, but top show me that: [...] ?!? How does top come into play here?!? and acpi -t: Thermal 1: ok, 65.0 degrees C OK, so ACPI temperature zone support is working. And at this state, on debian, the thermal is at 53 degrees C so and don't understand. If that's why you posted top output: It doesn't depend on absolute load. Maybe your debian box enables throttling, either ACPI P-States, or CPUfreq. You might want to play with the cpufreq ondemand governor (there's also an alternative implementation, read the docs of those kernel options) or cpufreqd. Is there some option to activate in the kernel to support better the thermal or cpu use? CPUfreq, see above. And it certainly won't make CPU use better (it throttles) -- but might lower the temperature. -hwh -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list _ Ten : Messenger en illimité sur votre mobile ! http://mobile.live.fr/messenger/ten/ -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT (ish): What are the average requirements of a small business server?
2007. 04. 3, kedd keltezéssel 17.34-kor Joel Merrick ezt írta: Hello list!! . Anyway, here is some of the list that we are thinking about implementing: Thanks! Joel and Mark Hi, Probably you should like to give a try to my livecd. With that livecd I try to build up a working server solution, based on gentoo. I tried it several times in Virtualbox (qemu also good, only a little bit slower). Somewhere my previous email is travelling at this moment, I hope it will arrive to the list :) Regards, István -- Nyílt forráskód azokra az igazán nehéz napokra. BSA Open source for those really hard days. BSA http://www.osbusiness.hu -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Thermal cpu
On Tuesday 03 April 2007, Sylvain Chouleur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Thermal cpu': I have found the source of my problem: 1) Don't top post. 2) 65 C isn't a problem. My laptop regularly runs 85+ C under load. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ pgpobwYw7w9o8.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] netfilter tarpit target
Hi Daniel Daniel Iliev wrote on 03/04/07 05:13: test ~ # cd /usr/src test src # rm -rf linu* test src # emerge -C gentoo-sources ; emerge gentoo-sources test src # svn co https://svn.netfilter.org/netfilter/trunk/iptables test iptables # cd iptables test iptables # svn update At revision 6786. test src # cd .. test src # svn co https://svn.netfilter.org/netfilter/trunk/patch-o-matic-ng test src # cd patch-o-matic-ng test patch-o-matic-ng # svn update At revision 6786. test patch-o-matic-ng # ./runme TARPIT Hey! KERNEL_DIR is not set. Where is your kernel source directory? [/usr/src/linux] Hey! IPTABLES_DIR is not set. Where is your iptables source code directory? [/usr/src/iptables] Loading patchlet definitions. done Welcome to Patch-o-matic ($Revision: 6736 $)! Kernel: 2.6.19, /usr/src/linux Iptables: 1.3.7, /usr/src/iptables --snip-- - Do you want to apply this patch [N/y/t/f/a/r/b/w/q/?] t Patch TARPIT applies cleanly - Do you want to apply this patch [N/y/t/f/a/r/b/w/q/?] y Excellent! Source trees are ready for compilation. test patch-o-matic-ng # cd /usr/src/linux test linux # make menuconfig test linux # grep tarpit -i .config CONFIG_IP_NF_TARGET_TARPIT=m test linux # make --snip-- Root device is (3, 1) Boot sector 512 bytes. Setup is 4730 bytes. System is 1622 kB Kernel: arch/i386/boot/bzImage is ready (#1) Building modules, stage 2. MODPOST 159 modules WARNING: neigh_hh_output [net/ipv4/netfilter/ipt_TARPIT.ko] undefined! make[1]: *** [__modpost] Error 1 make: *** [modules] Error 2 test linux # Your .runme process ssem sOK, though I usually use ./runme extras to do the kernel updates. I'll try the same as you did here to see if I get the same problem. Cheers, Dave -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] fcron
On Tue, 2007-04-03 at 15:26 +0200, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Montag, 2. April 2007 schrieb ext Alan McKinnon: The OP has an interesting problem here, as root can cd into any directory even if all permissions are removed. root can, but user fcron can't: well spotted - I missed that. BillK -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Thermal cpu
1) I'm sorry but don't understand what 'top post' means 2) It's not the temperature itself which is my problem, but the fan which rotate very quickly and I want to have a very clean system _ Personnalisez votre Messenger avec Live.com http://www.windowslive.fr/livecom/ -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Thermal cpu
Sylvain Chouleur a écrit : 1) I'm sorry but don't understand what 'top post' means When you reply don't write your message at the top but at the bottom. just at the bottom. In other words, write at the last line. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How to resolve policy conflicts?
Hi Markus Markus Schönhaber wrote on 03/04/07 13:15: Recently there has been a lot of unpleasant noise about conflicts and disagreements among the Gentoo developers. I hope that they will resolve their (mainly political) problems soon. The stories have not been good for the image of Gentoo, either as an organisation or as a distribution. Yep, I was a bit shocked when I read the news about the Code of Conduct on the Gentoo homepage. My first thought was: if a community considers it necessary to decide upon a document that is stating the obvious by essentially saying be respectful to others instead of treating them like shit then there must have been something going badly wrong beforehand. I too was somewhat taken aback when I read the Code of Conduct. However, when I read some of the exchanges between the developers, I understand why a Code of Conduct was imposed. Some of the 'conversations' were unbelievably hostile, rude, insulting and outrageously over-heated. I fully understand that developers are rightly proud of their efforts, and may be sometimes a little over-sensitive to criticism. However, the tone of some of those emails was disrespectful, negative, rude, to the point of being childishly vicious. I'm hardly surprised that Gentoo has recently lost some very talented developers. Before any developer roasts me, I am criticising only the savage tone of those emails, not the people involved in these exchanges. Believe me, as a mere end-user I am more than grateful for the time and effort that the developers have invested in the Gentoo project. This impression of mine may be wrong since I'm not informed about the internals of the Gentoo dev community, but I would bet I'm not the only one who had this - or a similar - impression. Unfortunately, news of developer conflicts has leaked into the public domain. This has encouraged some of the gentlemen of the press to spread rumours that Gentoo is dying. Quite a change from when Gentoo was the darling of the press, just a year or so ago. Let's hope that the developer issues are solved before the rumours about the impending death of Gentoo become reality. Losing Gentoo would be an enormous loss to the Open Source community. Cheers, Dave -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] netfilter tarpit target
Hi Daniel Daniel Iliev wrote on 03/04/07 05:13: Unfortunately I had no luck. Clean kernel, the latest patch-o-matic, the latest iptables and the same result. Obviously gentoo-sources is incompatible with tar pit module. ;-( I just tried your update process and ended up with the same failure. Seems you might be right about the gentoo-sources being incompatible with the tarpit module. Sorry, but I'm fresh out of ideas. Cheers, Dave -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How to resolve policy conflicts?
Also having said developers take their point of view (properly referenced and footnoted of course) to their blogs to vent about it and then being syndicated in the Planet Gentoo feed is probably not a good solution either. It leaked out of various clandestine lists and some published lists to the user base at large, which gives the impression that if this is what we can see as users how much of the iceberg is still remaining below the surface of the water. It's a two way street. We (the users) have to be understanding that for 90% of the developers Gentoo is a volunteer project that they (the developers) take on and conversely that they (the developers) need to understand that we (the users) choose to use Gentoo for the feature set that is provided with the distribution. On 4/3/07, Dave Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Markus Markus Schönhaber wrote on 03/04/07 13:15: Recently there has been a lot of unpleasant noise about conflicts and disagreements among the Gentoo developers. I hope that they will resolve their (mainly political) problems soon. The stories have not been good for the image of Gentoo, either as an organisation or as a distribution. Yep, I was a bit shocked when I read the news about the Code of Conduct on the Gentoo homepage. My first thought was: if a community considers it necessary to decide upon a document that is stating the obvious by essentially saying be respectful to others instead of treating them like shit then there must have been something going badly wrong beforehand. I too was somewhat taken aback when I read the Code of Conduct. However, when I read some of the exchanges between the developers, I understand why a Code of Conduct was imposed. Some of the 'conversations' were unbelievably hostile, rude, insulting and outrageously over-heated. I fully understand that developers are rightly proud of their efforts, and may be sometimes a little over-sensitive to criticism. However, the tone of some of those emails was disrespectful, negative, rude, to the point of being childishly vicious. I'm hardly surprised that Gentoo has recently lost some very talented developers. Before any developer roasts me, I am criticising only the savage tone of those emails, not the people involved in these exchanges. Believe me, as a mere end-user I am more than grateful for the time and effort that the developers have invested in the Gentoo project. This impression of mine may be wrong since I'm not informed about the internals of the Gentoo dev community, but I would bet I'm not the only one who had this - or a similar - impression. Unfortunately, news of developer conflicts has leaked into the public domain. This has encouraged some of the gentlemen of the press to spread rumours that Gentoo is dying. Quite a change from when Gentoo was the darling of the press, just a year or so ago. Let's hope that the developer issues are solved before the rumours about the impending death of Gentoo become reality. Losing Gentoo would be an enormous loss to the Open Source community. Cheers, Dave -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: [OT DNS] common way to discover nameservers for an IP
Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know I've once known and used a command that listed the nameservers serving a given IP. What do you with that? There's no such thing - any nameserver _can_ return any IP. I know there are online sites that will do it, Like? I guess your response represents economy of effort at its best eh? Try this: http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/traversal.ch?domain=www.gentoo.org..type=A -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: [OT DNS] common way to discover nameservers for an IP
Uwe Thiem [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 02 April 2007, Alexander Skwar wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know I've once known and used a command that listed the nameservers serving a given IP. What do you with that? There's no such thing - any nameserver _can_ return any IP. Authoritative answers can only be obtained from name servers responsible for that particular domain. nslookup server xxx.yyy.zzz.ttt (insert any name server kown to you) set type=ns domain.in.question Thanks... and I think that is the one I was remembering. But now I see the dig syntax: dig NS -x $IP (thanks for that Boyd) it is quicker and more informative. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: [OT DNS] common way to discover nameservers for an IP
Adam Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know I've once known and used a command that listed the nameservers serving a given IP. I don't remember if it was nslookup, host, dig or what but not finding it in those various man pages. I have made a different assumtion about what your question means than other posters - assuming you want to find which nameserver is hosting the reverse lookup zone, with gentoo.org's IP address as an example; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ host gentoo.org gentoo.org has address 204.74.99.100 gentoo.org mail is handled by 10 mail.gentoo.org. gentoo.org mail is handled by 40 mx2.gentoo.org. So to find out who's hosting the reverse record for 204.74.99.100 we reverse the first three octets and add in.addr.arpa, ie; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ host -t NS 99.74.202.in-addr.arpa. 99.74.202.in-addr.arpa name server hk-dns1.hk.prserv.net. 99.74.202.in-addr.arpa name server hk-dns2.hk.prserv.net. Nice trick and thanks for the info... I was looking for something like dig NS -x $IP posted by Boyd and the nslookup posted by Uwe T. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] eclean doesn't clean
2007/4/2, Adrian [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Problem with eclean. I have gentoolkit0.2.2 installed. eclean will not actually clean anything. I've let it run for hours and eventually have to ctrl-c to kill it. error messages as follows. Maybe Yacleaner could help you ? See http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-337074-highlight-yacleaner.html
Re: [gentoo-user] eclean doesn't clean
On Monday 02 April 2007 02:43:50 Adrian wrote: Problem with eclean. I have gentoolkit0.2.2 installed. eclean will not actually clean anything. I've let it run for hours and eventually have to ctrl-c to kill it. error messages as follows. Is it still slow after following Zac Medicos suggestion? How about emerge? Is that slow too? -- Bo Andresen pgpM1d0tyBZAi.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?
Why do --nocolor and --color=n not work (sys-apps/portage-2.1.2.3)? Why does the damned thing default to thinking I want blaring bizarre colors scattered all over my screen? What bozo thought all those colors were legible on every frikking terminal and checking for --nocolor was unnecesary? I am so tired of this crap. Even editing /usr/bin/emerge to always set output.havecolor to 0 doesn't disable color. I have to copy and paste into an editor just to read the error messages. It has always been so; most portage commands simply aassume I want all sorts of colorized messages on my screen. Oooh, let's find a use for yellow, and green, and blue, and red, well of course red, but let's make sure we use EVERY FREAKING COLOR IN THE BOOK just because, well, BECAUSE WE CAN. Let's IGNORE the TERM environmental variable while we're at it. I CAN'T EVEN DISABLE IT BY SETTING TERM TO vt100. And if ALL THESE CAPS distress you and you think I am shouting, well goodness gracious, NOW YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT COLORIZATION RUN AMUCK. Retch. -- ... _._. ._ ._. . _._. ._. ___ .__ ._. . .__. ._ .. ._. Felix Finch: scarecrow repairman rocket surgeon / [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG = E987 4493 C860 246C 3B1E 6477 7838 76E9 182E 8151 ITAR license #4933 I've found a solution to Fermat's Last Theorem but I see I've run out of room o -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?
On Wednesday 04 April 2007 06:17:39 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do --nocolor and --color=n not work (sys-apps/portage-2.1.2.3)? [SNIP] I am so tired of this crap. Even editing /usr/bin/emerge to always set output.havecolor to 0 doesn't disable color. I have to copy and paste into an editor just to read the error messages. Easier to just pipe the output into less. It has always been so; most portage commands simply aassume I want all sorts of colorized messages on my screen. And it never occurred to you to just file a bug at bugs.gentoo.org? How are devs supposed to fix your bug if you don't report it? (that's rhetorical). -- Bo Andresen pgpLWGSZYsjPc.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do --nocolor and --color=n not work (sys-apps/portage-2.1.2.3)? Why does the damned thing default to thinking I want blaring bizarre colors scattered all over my screen? What bozo thought all those colors were legible on every frikking terminal and checking for --nocolor was unnecesary? I am so tired of this crap. Even editing /usr/bin/emerge to always set output.havecolor to 0 doesn't disable color. I have to copy and paste into an editor just to read the error messages. It has always been so; most portage commands simply aassume I want all sorts of colorized messages on my screen. Oooh, let's find a use for yellow, and green, and blue, and red, well of course red, but let's make sure we use EVERY FREAKING COLOR IN THE BOOK just because, well, BECAUSE WE CAN. Let's IGNORE the TERM environmental variable while we're at it. I CAN'T EVEN DISABLE IT BY SETTING TERM TO vt100. And if ALL THESE CAPS distress you and you think I am shouting, well goodness gracious, NOW YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT COLORIZATION RUN AMUCK. Retch. I thought I was the only one that had to copy and paste it to Kwrite to read it. Sorry to say I'm not alone here. :-( He seems, well, . . . pissed. :/ Dale :-) -- www.myspace.com/-remove-me-dalek1967 Copy n paste then remove the -remove-me- part. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?
On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 06:29:45AM +0200, Bo ?rsted Andresen wrote: On Wednesday 04 April 2007 06:17:39 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do --nocolor and --color=n not work (sys-apps/portage-2.1.2.3)? [SNIP] I am so tired of this crap. Even editing /usr/bin/emerge to always set output.havecolor to 0 doesn't disable color. I have to copy and paste into an editor just to read the error messages. Easier to just pipe the output into less. Doesn't always work. Whatever generates the color ignores TERM and --nocolor and color=n, and doesn't always pay attention to where the output is going either. It has always been so; most portage commands simply aassume I want all sorts of colorized messages on my screen. And it never occurred to you to just file a bug at bugs.gentoo.org? How are devs supposed to fix your bug if you don't report it? (that's rhetorical). Certainly has, but the colorization decision has moved around enough that I figure it was a moving target. What would I file it against, every python utility that screws it up? I figured it was easier to just edit color out of the damned programs after each update. Sometimes I don't need to, sometimes I do. Besides, the colorization is so blatantly awful as to obviously be someone's pet little eye candy contribution; any bug report is very likely to be dismissed as just some geriatric fossile who fondly remembers teletypes. This current outburst was a result of my dismay at finding the colorization institutionalized in the output package, which a quick grep didn't find, and editing havecolor = 0 all over didn't fix it either. Maybe, if it is now centralized, a bug report might actually do some good. But based on past performance, it will no doubt shift around to some other package in a few weeks, so I will wait and see. -- ... _._. ._ ._. . _._. ._. ___ .__ ._. . .__. ._ .. ._. Felix Finch: scarecrow repairman rocket surgeon / [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG = E987 4493 C860 246C 3B1E 6477 7838 76E9 182E 8151 ITAR license #4933 I've found a solution to Fermat's Last Theorem but I see I've run out of room o -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?
On Wednesday 04 April 2007 07:13:06 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to copy and paste into an editor just to read the error messages. Easier to just pipe the output into less. Doesn't always work. Whatever generates the color ignores TERM and --nocolor and color=n, and doesn't always pay attention to where the output is going either. Well, as stated; that's a bug. Report it. It has always been so; most portage commands simply aassume I want all sorts of colorized messages on my screen. And it never occurred to you to just file a bug at bugs.gentoo.org? How are devs supposed to fix your bug if you don't report it? (that's rhetorical). Certainly has, but the colorization decision has moved around enough that I figure it was a moving target. What would I file it against, every python utility that screws it up? [SNIP] Weren't you talking about portage? In that case you should obviously file it against portage.. But yeah, any app that has a --nocolor equivalent that doesn't work deserves a bug report.. Even for apps that don't it's reasonable to file it as an enhancement request. Besides, the colorization is so blatantly awful as to obviously be someone's pet little eye candy contribution; any bug report is very likely to be dismissed as just some geriatric fossile who fondly remembers teletypes. First of all I believe most people (including myself) very much prefer colors over no colors (no I cannot qualify with any numbers..). That does not, however, mean that the pipe detection and --color switch etc. shouldn't be honoured. It should (and it does here). Secondly, how did you come up with the idea that a bug report would be dismissed if you never filed one? [SNIP] But based on past performance, it will no doubt shift around to some other package in a few weeks, so I will wait and see. 'Past performance'? 'Some other package' (are you still speaking of the package manager)? -- Bo Andresen pgpSy26KF3Evq.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?
Dale wrote: I thought I was the only one that had to copy and paste it to Kwrite to read it. Sorry to say I'm not alone here. :-( He seems, well, . . . pissed. :/ The beryl negate feature is good for interactive viewing of these insane color schemes (using both bright yellow and dark blue in foreground means one or the other will be impossible to read regardless of background color). While beryl mitigates the problem for interactive viewing, it still is a pain for scripting. Here's an example from last night's cron job: echo Syncing overlays... layman -S produces email message containing: Syncing overlays... svn: Working copy '/usr/portage/local/layman/sunrise' locked svn: run 'svn cleanup' to remove locks (type 'svn help cleanup' for details) [32;01m* [39;49;00mRunning command /usr/bin/svn update /usr/portage/local/layman/sunrise... [33;01m* [39;49;00m [33;01m* [39;49;00mErrors: [33;01m* [39;49;00m-- [33;01m* [39;49;00m [33;01m* [39;49;00mFailed to sync overlay sunrise. [33;01m* [39;49;00mError was: Syncing overlay sunrise returned status 256! [33;01m* [39;49;00m Have fun, Roy -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?
On Wednesday 04 April 2007 07:48:51 Roy Wright wrote: echo Syncing overlays... layman -S produces email message containing: Syncing overlays... svn: Working copy '/usr/portage/local/layman/sunrise' locked svn: run 'svn cleanup' to remove locks (type 'svn help cleanup' for details) [32;01m* [39;49;00mRunning command /usr/bin/svn update /usr/portage/local/layman/sunrise... [33;01m* [39;49;00m [33;01m* [39;49;00mErrors: [33;01m* [39;49;00m-- [33;01m* [39;49;00m [33;01m* [39;49;00mFailed to sync overlay sunrise. [33;01m* [39;49;00mError was: Syncing overlay sunrise returned status 256! [33;01m* [39;49;00m # layman -S --debug --debug-nocolor And, yes it does seem a bit retarded that there isn't just --nocolor. Again file a bug if you want it. -- Bo Andresen pgpzo7AHW6Pps.pgp Description: PGP signature
