Re: [gentoo-user] realtek 8197 wireless card setup
On Sat, 2007-12-15 at 23:19 -0500, Jeff Cranmer wrote: On Tuesday 11 December 2007 09:48:10 am Mick wrote: On Tuesday 11 December 2007, Jeff Cranmer wrote: I believe that I have this enabled, however ieee80211 is still barfing out by asking for CONFIG_NET_RADIO. I'll check and confirm this tonight. Also check bugzilla. I remember reporting a bug with the more recent kernels failing to build kernel drivers. The last kernel that I managed to build rt2570 was 2.6.20-gentoo-r8. Kernel 2.6.23-gentoo-r3 fails to emerge any driver whatsoever. I have now (finally) successfully compiled the latest kernel 2.6.23-gentoo-r3 kernel. Once I enabled the 'Generic IEEE 802.11 Networking Stack (mac80211)' option in Networking -- Wireless, the Realtek RTL8187 USB support option appears in Device Drivers -- Network Device Support -- Wireless LAN section under wireless LAN (IEEE 802.11). With this RTL8187 driver compiled into the kernel, I get some success. Running the command 'dmesg | grep rtl8187' after reboot returns the message usbcore: registered new interface driver rtl8187 There is, however, no /etc/init.d/net.wlan0 on my system, so I'm not quite there yet. There is a net.eth0 (wired network), and a net.lo What do I need to do to get net.wlan0 active? Thanks Jeff Check the output of iwconfig. Maybe the device's got another name like eth1 or rtl0 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Rules
On Saturday 15 December 2007 20:00:54 Grant wrote: The real blocker for features that I'd like Gentoo to support is Portage. There is only 1½ people working on it and changing anything in it is hard because Portage is a horrible mess. There's plenty of activity in the tree but new desired features cannot be used in the tree until Portage supports them. It also doesn't make matters better that over the years all sorts of weird hacks (that now have to be supported) have been added to the tree instead of waiting for proper solutions. Most people who are capable of helping to improve Portage just don't want to touch it. Would you say that portage is the main block in the way of Gentoo's continued progress? Actually I guess that's pretty much exactly what you said. I didn't realize portage is where the problem lies. In fact, I thought we were all still proud of portage I'm going to think about this some. It all depends on what kind of features you're interested in. The features I happen to be interested in requires ebuild changes (which means that me using another package manager doesn't help) *and* requires package manager support before said ebuild changes can happen. Therefore for me Portage is a blocker... -- Bo Andresen signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Rules
Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: On Saturday 15 December 2007 20:00:54 Grant wrote: The real blocker for features that I'd like Gentoo to support is Portage. There is only 1½ people working on it and changing anything in it is hard because Portage is a horrible mess. There's plenty of activity in the tree but new desired features cannot be used in the tree until Portage supports them. It also doesn't make matters better that over the years all sorts of weird hacks (that now have to be supported) have been added to the tree instead of waiting for proper solutions. Most people who are capable of helping to improve Portage just don't want to touch it. Would you say that portage is the main block in the way of Gentoo's continued progress? Actually I guess that's pretty much exactly what you said. I didn't realize portage is where the problem lies. In fact, I thought we were all still proud of portage I'm going to think about this some. It all depends on what kind of features you're interested in. The features I happen to be interested in requires ebuild changes (which means that me using another package manager doesn't help) *and* requires package manager support before said ebuild changes can happen. Therefore for me Portage is a blocker... I read a link provided earlier about Plaudis, (sp?). It seems that Portage has a lot of hacks in it, according to what I read anyway. Is that true? Also, is it being wrote with python hurting portage as for as the program itself? If it is, why are they not trying to switch to something else? If C++ is better, then putting off changing is only going to get harder as time goes on. In case you can't tell, I'm not a programmer. Last time I did programming, it was on a Vic-20. LOL Just curious. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Rules
The real blocker for features that I'd like Gentoo to support is Portage. There is only 1½ people working on it and changing anything in it is hard because Portage is a horrible mess. There's plenty of activity in the tree but new desired features cannot be used in the tree until Portage supports them. It also doesn't make matters better that over the years all sorts of weird hacks (that now have to be supported) have been added to the tree instead of waiting for proper solutions. Most people who are capable of helping to improve Portage just don't want to touch it. Would you say that portage is the main block in the way of Gentoo's continued progress? Actually I guess that's pretty much exactly what you said. I didn't realize portage is where the problem lies. In fact, I thought we were all still proud of portage I'm going to think about this some. It all depends on what kind of features you're interested in. The features I happen to be interested in requires ebuild changes (which means that me using another package manager doesn't help) *and* requires package manager support before said ebuild changes can happen. Therefore for me Portage is a blocker... What does everyone else think about this. Is portage a major blocker of progress or not so much? - Grant -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Python vs C++ [was: Gentoo Rules]
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 06:20:38 -0600 Dale wrote: ...[snip]... I read a link provided earlier about Plaudis, (sp?). It seems that Portage has a lot of hacks in it, according to what I read anyway. Is that true? Also, is it being wrote with python hurting portage as for as the program itself? If it is, why are they not trying to switch to something else? If C++ is better, then putting off changing is only going to get harder as time goes on. IMHO, python is a very nice object oriented language and C++ is no better (unless you need particular features of the language). I suspect C++ runs somewhat faster, but that's not the issue here. As I understand, portage needs to deal with lots of special cases and exceptions to the general rules for updating package. Special cases and exceptions always lead to complications and messy code. Switching languages doesn't help a situation like this. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] I don't understand what's happening with emerge gnupg
On Sunday 16 December 2007 01.17.42 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:55:43 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: - why didn't portage replace the old version itself? That's generally part of the update process. GnuPG is slotted, so 1.* and 2.* can be installed simultaneously. No. Both ver 1.4* and ver 2.* use slot 0, but ver 1.9* use slot 1.9, for more info see -dev (don't have access to the thread right now) -- Naga -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Python vs C++ [was: Gentoo Rules]
David Relson wrote: On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 06:20:38 -0600 Dale wrote: ...[snip]... I read a link provided earlier about Plaudis, (sp?). It seems that Portage has a lot of hacks in it, according to what I read anyway. Is that true? Also, is it being wrote with python hurting portage as for as the program itself? If it is, why are they not trying to switch to something else? If C++ is better, then putting off changing is only going to get harder as time goes on. IMHO, python is a very nice object oriented language and C++ is no better (unless you need particular features of the language). I suspect C++ runs somewhat faster, but that's not the issue here. As I understand, portage needs to deal with lots of special cases and exceptions to the general rules for updating package. Special cases and exceptions always lead to complications and messy code. Switching languages doesn't help a situation like this. Thanks. I was curious as to how a language could hurt a program as long as the end result is the same. I take what you wrote as, it is not the rules that makes a mess but all the exceptions to the rules that makes a mess. Thanks for the reply. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] realtek 8197 wireless card setup
All I get for iwconfig is lo no wireless extensions eth0no wireless extensions. I think I need some more info in /etc/conf.d/net, and need somehow to create the necessary /etc/init.d/net.wlan0 or whatever driver. The only 'net.anything' drivers present at the moment are net.lo and net.eth0 Jeff On Sunday 16 December 2007 05:50:49 am Florian Philipp wrote: On Sat, 2007-12-15 at 23:19 -0500, Jeff Cranmer wrote: On Tuesday 11 December 2007 09:48:10 am Mick wrote: On Tuesday 11 December 2007, Jeff Cranmer wrote: I believe that I have this enabled, however ieee80211 is still barfing out by asking for CONFIG_NET_RADIO. I'll check and confirm this tonight. Also check bugzilla. I remember reporting a bug with the more recent kernels failing to build kernel drivers. The last kernel that I managed to build rt2570 was 2.6.20-gentoo-r8. Kernel 2.6.23-gentoo-r3 fails to emerge any driver whatsoever. I have now (finally) successfully compiled the latest kernel 2.6.23-gentoo-r3 kernel. Once I enabled the 'Generic IEEE 802.11 Networking Stack (mac80211)' option in Networking -- Wireless, the Realtek RTL8187 USB support option appears in Device Drivers -- Network Device Support -- Wireless LAN section under wireless LAN (IEEE 802.11). With this RTL8187 driver compiled into the kernel, I get some success. Running the command 'dmesg | grep rtl8187' after reboot returns the message usbcore: registered new interface driver rtl8187 There is, however, no /etc/init.d/net.wlan0 on my system, so I'm not quite there yet. There is a net.eth0 (wired network), and a net.lo What do I need to do to get net.wlan0 active? Thanks Jeff Check the output of iwconfig. Maybe the device's got another name like eth1 or rtl0 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Python vs C++ [was: Gentoo Rules]
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 08:05:17 -0600 Dale wrote: David Relson wrote: On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 06:20:38 -0600 Dale wrote: ...[snip]... I read a link provided earlier about Plaudis, (sp?). It seems that Portage has a lot of hacks in it, according to what I read anyway. Is that true? Also, is it being wrote with python hurting portage as for as the program itself? If it is, why are they not trying to switch to something else? If C++ is better, then putting off changing is only going to get harder as time goes on. IMHO, python is a very nice object oriented language and C++ is no better (unless you need particular features of the language). I suspect C++ runs somewhat faster, but that's not the issue here. As I understand, portage needs to deal with lots of special cases and exceptions to the general rules for updating package. Special cases and exceptions always lead to complications and messy code. Switching languages doesn't help a situation like this. Thanks. I was curious as to how a language could hurt a program as long as the end result is the same. I take what you wrote as, it is not the rules that makes a mess but all the exceptions to the rules that makes a mess. Thanks for the reply. Dale I don't know enough to say for sure. I _am_ a programmer, but not involved with portage. My guess is that the rules are reasonable, but evolved over time. Having read many messages about portage and ebuilds I'm lead to believe that exceptions have lead to complications and a less than ideal solution -- code that's difficult to maintain.. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] trouble with vsftpd
I have installed vsftpd but it's not working. When I try to retrieve a
file, not much happens.
wget -nd ftp://localhost/test.txt; produces:
--11:23:39-- ftp://localhost/test.txt
= `test.txt'
Resolving localhost... 127.0.0.1
Connecting to localhost|127.0.0.1|:21... connected.
Logging in as anonymous ...
Login incorrect.
and (from another machine) wget -nd ftp://osage/test.txt; produces:
--11:23:21-- ftp://osage/test.txt
= `test.txt'
Resolving osage... 192.168.1.10
Connecting to osage|192.168.1.10|:21... connected.
Logging in as anonymous ...
Error in server response, closing control connection.
Retrying.
after these attempts, /var/log/messages shows:
date osage xinetd[7153]: START: ftp pid=30268 from=192.168.1.2
date osage xinetd[30268]: FAIL: ftp address from=192.168.1.2
date osage xinetd[7153]: EXIT: ftp status=0 pid=30268 duration=0(sec)
/etc/xinet.d/vsftpd contains:
# default: off
# description: Vsftpd is an FTP server, designed to be secure.
# $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/net-ftp/vsftpd/files/vsftpd.xinetd,v
1.4 2005/06/07 18:34:17 uberlord Exp $
service ftp
{
socket_type = stream
wait= no
user= root
server = /usr/sbin/vsftpd
server_args = /etc/vsftpd/vsftpd.conf
log_on_success += DURATION
nice= 10
disable = no
}
What else should I be checking?
Thanks.
David
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Re: [gentoo-user] trouble with vsftpd
On 12/16/07, David Relson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have installed vsftpd but it's not working. When I try to retrieve a file, not much happens. wget -nd ftp://localhost/test.txt; produces: --11:23:39-- ftp://localhost/test.txt = `test.txt' Resolving localhost... 127.0.0.1 Connecting to localhost|127.0.0.1|:21... connected. Logging in as anonymous ... Login incorrect. and (from another machine) wget -nd ftp://osage/test.txt; produces: --11:23:21-- ftp://osage/test.txt = `test.txt' Resolving osage... 192.168.1.10 Connecting to osage|192.168.1.10|:21... connected. Logging in as anonymous ... Error in server response, closing control connection. Retrying. Have you enabled anonimous ftp account in vsftpd.conf? -- Vladimir Rusinov GreenMice Solutions: IT-решения на базе Linux http://greenmice.info/
Re: [gentoo-user] realtek 8197 wireless card setup
On Sunday 16 December 2007, Jeff Cranmer wrote: All I get for iwconfig is lono wireless extensions eth0 no wireless extensions. This means that the driver has not been loaded yet. In generic terms you'll need to install the necessary driver for your WiFi device (either the new one in the kernel or emerge net-wireless/rtl8187, or ndiswrapper and the MS Windows driver). If you build the driver as a module then you need to modprobe -v rtl8187, while you keep an eye on the logs to see how things go (tail -f /var/log/messages). You have seen this, right? http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_rtl8187 I think I need some more info in /etc/conf.d/net, and need somehow to create the necessary /etc/init.d/net.wlan0 or whatever driver. The only 'net.anything' drivers present at the moment are net.lo and net.eth0 You will of course have to manually create a symlink between net.wlan0 - net.lo (or whatever your new WiFi device is recognised as by the kernel) so that you can bring it up by running /etc/init.d/net.wlan0 start. But this is only necessary for autoloading the driver through the runlevel scripts. To try it out follow the instructions in the Wiki page above. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] Re: trouble with vsftpd
David Relson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Logging in as anonymous ... Login incorrect. Is vsftpd setup for `anonymous' From vsftpd.conf Logging in as anonymous ... # Allow anonymous FTP? (Beware - allowed by default if you # comment this out). anonymous_enable=NO = I don't allow anonymous as you see but maybe that line is set to `NO' in your vsftpd.conf? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] scan for network devices by IP and time?
Hi all, What tools would I want to look into so that I could scan my network to determine all the devices currently on it, either by IP or name? Extra points for a tool that can keep track of what time a device was added to the network. If it matters, my network is a wireless router and 3 wireless bridges. At each of the bridges there is a switch and then 1 or more computers. There are 2 computers hooked directly to the router. Thanks, Mark -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: DMZ on an vmware gentoo guest running on winXP host
On Saturday 15 December 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Randy Barlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I mean if you connect it to any machine in the diagram or elsewhere wouldn't you be exposing that machine to the unfiltered internet? I think that's the idea here - to see the difference between the two sides of the router. If that is the case then I guess I don't see how the quote below applies. From Mick in his initial reply: A rather simpler solution to do this would be to get hold of hub, connect it to the firewall and watch everything that passes through it. Your network diagram in the previous post is exactly what I was thinking and proposing. What you are not showing is the link from your gentoo box to the hub. Then you capture that packets that flow through with a suitable application. Have a look at the penultimate diagram at the bottom of this page: http://www.mynetwatchman.com/pckidiot/ethernet.htm I relize you are not who made the reply I quote above but: If you still have to come up with a hardened interface to the hub then how is it simpler? I am not totally convince that a 'particularly' hardened interface is necessary. A second NIC with suitable firewall rules, or a virtual NIC on ntop should suffice for you to capture the packets flowing through the hub into a log file. You could even go as far as creating VLANs to seperate the two, but I am not sure that this is necessary. I mean it is not as if you are going to create a bridge between a trusted interface and this hub facing interface, right? Of course you would not be running e.g. tcpdump as root in real time so the risk of exposure (as I understand it in this context) is minimal, but others may want to comment. nprobe or fprobe could capture the packets both on the Gentoo machine and on a WinXP machine and save them on file(s), and/or send them to ntop as NetFlow . Perhaps others can comment further on similar suitable software and ways to set all this up. Further, since the router is switched then you'd really need two hubs. One on each side, if the aim were to compare what is coming and what is getting thru. So we're getting further and futher away from `rather simpler' Sure, you can add a second hub and so increase complexity, or use nprobe or the log files of the machines on the LAN side to see what actually gets through. I am not sure if you want to run this long term and automate all of this capture and reporting into graphical formats (e.g. using rddtool), set up a dedicated machine just for this purpose, or if you just want to test particular connections in an ad hoc fashion to see why/how particular connections behave. Come up with the hardened interface and forget the hub[s]. As I said my router offers to send all the bounced traffic to a designated DMZ. I am probably not interested enough right now to build up a whole different machine to talk to the hub or be the DMZ. So if you are pretty convinced doing it from a VMgentoo appliance running on one of the win boxes then I'll probably just keep fiddling around with the logs produced by the router. ... Thanks I just saw the installation of vmware and the generation of a virtual image as more involved than what I suggest above. Using the raw logs from the router and filtering/sorting these through a spreadsheet would probably make them easier to read. Anyway, what ever works better/easier for you. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel schedulers
On Saturday 15 December 2007, forgottenwizard wrote: On 15:27 Thu 13 Dec , Jason Carson wrote: Greetings, Where in the kernel config (make menuconfig) do I find the choice for schedulers. The one I am currently using is Anticipatory. What is the newest and latest scheduler for 2.6.23? Regards, Jason Carson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list Like someone else mentioned, you can switch the sched on the fly, and quite easily. From what I have seen myself: Anticipatory seems to be, at times, faster than deadline, but not by much. It tries to predict what will be needed next, where as deadline makes reads/writes based on which will be the fastest (recomended for databases and such iirc). In my experiance, CFQ has always been the slowest. It gives everything even time, and seems to cause alot more head movement than the other two, which is a pain. Best bet is to compile them all in, and switch them out to see what works best. For me that seems to be deadline (btw, I am running a desktop), but testing would be the best thing. Is testing a matter of how 'it feels' to use the desktop type-of-thing, or is it a matter of trying to start/run multiple apps against a stop-watch? I have used anticipatory and CFQ on my laptop and I am not sure that I can tell the difference . . . -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] dd questions
This is what happens when you hit TAB twice when running bash. So either you hit TAB or a couple TAB characters \t\t were in the input stream Not TAB, but ESC, which I hit multi times to monitor progress whenever the console went to sleep. Could that have done it? mw Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Python vs C++ [was: Gentoo Rules]
David Relson wrote: IMHO, python is a very nice object oriented language and C++ is no better (unless you need particular features of the language). I suspect C++ runs somewhat faster, but that's not the issue here. As I understand, portage needs to deal with lots of special cases and exceptions to the general rules for updating package. Special cases and exceptions always lead to complications and messy code. Switching languages doesn't help a situation like this. C++ is most certainly going to yield faster programs since it is a machine compiled language and python is interpreted. But that's not the idea behind portage. It's all about using the right tools for the job. I do all my research code in C++ because I need good memory management and I need speed. But python is far easier to code in, doesn't need to be compiled, and is pretty dang elegant. It's also pretty platform independent, which is also nice. -- Randy Barlow http://electronsweatshop.com -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] LVM, crypto, and backup
I want to set up two portable 1TB drives so users have their own LVM partitions to mount as crypto drives. These partitions would have to be mounted manually with the passpharse supplied by each user (this is a family setup, just a few users). But I want the system to be able to backup one 1TB drive to the other for offline backup. 1. What crypto system to use? 2. I have planned this with each user having their own LVM partition, but would it be possible to use one passphrase and make the entire drive crypto, then run LVM on top of that? This is a curiousity question more than anything. It might be handy for a system disk someday, but not now. 3. What is the right way to backup one 1TB drive to the other? dd would probably work, but that sounds rather crude, not to mention it would have to copy the entire 1TB over USB. It would be a lot faster to only backup what is needed. I want to backup partitions automatically once a week, without knowing the passphrase or requiring the partitions to be mounted. If each LVM partition is only expanded as necessary, unused space in each partition would be kept to a minimum. Or is it possible for the backup to only backup as much of each partition as is used, without knowing the passphrase or having it mounted? I suspect not, but I don't know. -- ... _._. ._ ._. . _._. ._. ___ .__ ._. . .__. ._ .. ._. Felix Finch: scarecrow repairman rocket surgeon / [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG = E987 4493 C860 246C 3B1E 6477 7838 76E9 182E 8151 ITAR license #4933 I've found a solution to Fermat's Last Theorem but I see I've run out of room o -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: trouble with vsftpd
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:38:44 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Relson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Logging in as anonymous ... Login incorrect. Is vsftpd setup for `anonymous' From vsftpd.conf Logging in as anonymous ... # Allow anonymous FTP? (Beware - allowed by default if you # comment this out). anonymous_enable=NO = I don't allow anonymous as you see but maybe that line is set to `NO' in your vsftpd.conf? anonymous_enable=YES is set. Below are the non-comment lines in vsftpd.conf (as reported by grep -v ^# /etc/vsftpd/vsftpd.conf: anonymous_enable=YES anon_upload_enable=YES dirmessage_enable=YES xferlog_enable=YES connect_from_port_20=YES chown_uploads=NO ascii_upload_enable=NO ascii_download_enable=NO ls_recurse_enable=NO file_open_mode=0666 local_umask=0022 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Python vs C++ [was: Gentoo Rules]
On Sonntag, 16. Dezember 2007, Randy Barlow wrote: David Relson wrote: IMHO, python is a very nice object oriented language and C++ is no better (unless you need particular features of the language). I suspect C++ runs somewhat faster, but that's not the issue here. As I understand, portage needs to deal with lots of special cases and exceptions to the general rules for updating package. Special cases and exceptions always lead to complications and messy code. Switching languages doesn't help a situation like this. C++ is most certainly going to yield faster programs since it is a machine compiled language and python is interpreted. But that's not the idea behind portage. It's all about using the right tools for the job. I do all my research code in C++ because I need good memory management and I need speed. But python is far easier to code in, doesn't need to be compiled, and is pretty dang elegant. It's also pretty platform independent, which is also nice. -- Randy Barlow http://electronsweatshop.com one reason pro phyton and contra c and c++ has always been: segfaults. And with c++ comes another one: abi changes. Just think about this horror: gcc/libstdc++ update and your package manager stops working -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] LVM, crypto, and backup
On Sun, 2007-12-16 at 11:52 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to set up two portable 1TB drives so users have their own LVM partitions to mount as crypto drives. These partitions would have to be mounted manually with the passpharse supplied by each user (this is a family setup, just a few users). But I want the system to be able to backup one 1TB drive to the other for offline backup. 1. What crypto system to use? 2. I have planned this with each user having their own LVM partition, but would it be possible to use one passphrase and make the entire drive crypto, then run LVM on top of that? This is a curiousity question more than anything. It might be handy for a system disk someday, but not now. 3. What is the right way to backup one 1TB drive to the other? dd would probably work, but that sounds rather crude, not to mention it would have to copy the entire 1TB over USB. It would be a lot faster to only backup what is needed. I want to backup partitions automatically once a week, without knowing the passphrase or requiring the partitions to be mounted. If each LVM partition is only expanded as necessary, unused space in each partition would be kept to a minimum. Or is it possible for the backup to only backup as much of each partition as is used, without knowing the passphrase or having it mounted? I suspect not, but I don't know. I would probably use encfs, forget about the one-lvm-per-user complexity, and just back up the encrypted filesystem just like any other fs. -- Albert W. Hopkins -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Python vs C++ [was: Gentoo Rules]
On 16/12/2007, Randy Barlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Relson wrote: IMHO, python is a very nice object oriented language and C++ is no better (unless you need particular features of the language). I suspect C++ runs somewhat faster, but that's not the issue here. As I understand, portage needs to deal with lots of special cases and exceptions to the general rules for updating package. Special cases and exceptions always lead to complications and messy code. Switching languages doesn't help a situation like this. C++ is most certainly going to yield faster programs since it is a machine compiled language and python is interpreted. But that's not the idea behind portage. It's all about using the right tools for the job. I do all my research code in C++ because I need good memory management and I need speed. But python is far easier to code in, doesn't need to be compiled, and is pretty dang elegant. It's also pretty platform independent, which is also nice. I see you haven't read the portage source-code. It isn't so elegant... And I'm saying this as someone who likes python and thinks it is generally a Good Idea. On 16/12/2007, Hemmann, Volker Armin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: one reason pro phyton and contra c and c++ has always been: segfaults. And with c++ comes another one: abi changes. Just think about this horror: gcc/libstdc++ update and your package manager stops working Hehehehe. Guess what python is linked against (It doesn't have to be linked against libstdc++, but it usually is)? =P -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Python vs C++ [was: Gentoo Rules]
[...] Just think about this horror: gcc/libstdc++ update and your package manager stops working Hehehehe. Guess what python is linked against (It doesn't have to be linked against libstdc++, but it usually is)? =P CPython is written in C and has no C++ dependencies: $ ldd `which python` linux-gate.so.1 = (0xb7ffd000) libpython2.5.so.1.0 = /usr/lib/libpython2.5.so.1.0 (0x455b) libpthread.so.0 = /lib/libpthread.so.0 (0x421c9000) libdl.so.2 = /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x421af000) libutil.so.1 = /lib/libutil.so.1 (0x42feb000) libm.so.6 = /lib/libm.so.6 (0x42189000) libc.so.6 = /lib/libc.so.6 (0x42052000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x4100) -- Albert W. Hopkins -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Python vs C++ [was: Gentoo Rules]
On Sunday 16 December 2007 20:32:58 Randy Barlow wrote: C++ is most certainly going to yield faster programs since it is a machine compiled language and python is interpreted. In this case it's not really significant. The biggest performance hit for a package manager for Gentoo remains I/O no matter which language you use... -- Bo Andresen signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Python vs C++ [was: Gentoo Rules]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hemmann, Volker Armin ha scritto: On Sonntag, 16. Dezember 2007, Randy Barlow wrote: David Relson wrote: IMHO, python is a very nice object oriented language and C++ is no better (unless you need particular features of the language). I suspect C++ runs somewhat faster, but that's not the issue here. As I understand, portage needs to deal with lots of special cases and exceptions to the general rules for updating package. Special cases and exceptions always lead to complications and messy code. Switching languages doesn't help a situation like this. C++ is most certainly going to yield faster programs since it is a machine compiled language and python is interpreted. But that's not the idea behind portage. It's all about using the right tools for the job. I do all my research code in C++ because I need good memory management and I need speed. But python is far easier to code in, doesn't need to be compiled, and is pretty dang elegant. It's also pretty platform independent, which is also nice. -- Randy Barlow http://electronsweatshop.com one reason pro phyton and contra c and c++ has always been: segfaults. And with c++ comes another one: abi changes. Just think about this horror: gcc/libstdc++ update and your package manager stops working Why don't a python upgrade break your package manager?? - -- Antonio Quartulli, @System President www.atsystem.org Student of Computer Science at University of Pisa Web: www.quartulli.org GPG Key: www.quartulli.org/aquartulli_0×41A1F50B.asc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQEVAwUBR2WN1JUBe9lBofULAQJOZwf/b42oKASq7T3LPChNub/L48Sdc4frpTuT zNov1laSH3Wswax1UtFg+2oGxwJga3tzd4SX6F0/E5LhQE9BBSX3YGwgKy2HANsB ban2rZssT/IADSK8PE6rGM2SmBm46iGOJNDcTfw/K014FC68ZoA+giK63KTpcQ70 j789xlfDQQKrTitR0uawwPiZAE7mQ2wqgTozInOecDxEiNXV6HOOdNeqOgofGLOM R9XfpURFsaj72cMpqlW/hnuQQAf5hHq1GDBoWDpiETC3IDZNLkXI2hgoy6oBxybB VqTCUdfInUsMTlXARJgebr96Yl6x4XXafZZTbvncN0MQTCZ1WCQaUQ== =sG2L -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Python vs C++ [was: Gentoo Rules]
On 16/12/2007, Antonio Quartulli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip And with c++ comes another one: abi changes. Just think about this horror: gcc/libstdc++ update and your package manager stops working Why don't a python upgrade break your package manager?? Also possible, but less likely. Python is usually OK wrt backwards compatibility. Surprisingly enough, the thing most likely to break your package manager is a package manager update. =P pycrypto, anyway? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Python vs C++ [was: Gentoo Rules]
Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: one reason pro phyton and contra c and c++ has always been: segfaults. And with c++ comes another one: abi changes. Just think about this horror: gcc/libstdc++ update and your package manager stops working Well segfaults generally indicate bugs in your code - so hopefully you would be a good coder and ensure that you manage memory correctly. Abi changes suck big time, I agree on that point, and also the updates - hadn't thought of that one :) -- Randy Barlow http://electronsweatshop.com -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Python vs C++ [was: Gentoo Rules]
Matan Peled wrote: I see you haven't read the portage source-code. It isn't so elegant... And I'm saying this as someone who likes python and thinks it is generally a Good Idea. No, I definitely have not, but I have done some Python coding in my days. I was referring to the language, not the use of the language by Portage :) -- Randy Barlow http://electronsweatshop.com -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Python vs C++ [was: Gentoo Rules]
On Sunday 16 December 2007 22:04:52 Randy Barlow wrote: Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: In this case it's not really significant. The biggest performance hit for a package manager for Gentoo remains I/O no matter which language you use... Yeah, you are right - although there is one step of an emerge that seems to hit my P3 hard: right after it reads the data from disk to determine dependencies, it goes 100% CPU for a few seconds. Just think, we could save a few seconds! ;) But seriously, I totally think Python is the tool for the package manager job - I was just trying to outline when you might choose C++ over python... Heh, I don't think Python is the right choice. Performance just isn't the reason. ;) -- Bo Andresen signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel schedulers
On 18:36 Sun 16 Dec , Mick wrote: On Saturday 15 December 2007, forgottenwizard wrote: On 15:27 Thu 13 Dec , Jason Carson wrote: Greetings, Where in the kernel config (make menuconfig) do I find the choice for schedulers. The one I am currently using is Anticipatory. What is the newest and latest scheduler for 2.6.23? Regards, Jason Carson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list Like someone else mentioned, you can switch the sched on the fly, and quite easily. From what I have seen myself: Anticipatory seems to be, at times, faster than deadline, but not by much. It tries to predict what will be needed next, where as deadline makes reads/writes based on which will be the fastest (recomended for databases and such iirc). In my experiance, CFQ has always been the slowest. It gives everything even time, and seems to cause alot more head movement than the other two, which is a pain. Best bet is to compile them all in, and switch them out to see what works best. For me that seems to be deadline (btw, I am running a desktop), but testing would be the best thing. Is testing a matter of how 'it feels' to use the desktop type-of-thing, or is it a matter of trying to start/run multiple apps against a stop-watch? I have used anticipatory and CFQ on my laptop and I am not sure that I can tell the difference . . . -- Regards, Mick I go by how things feel. I know about how long most programs take to start up, and how everything feels. Of course, you can also figure into all this I have mpd running, fetchmail running every few minutes, plus other various programs running that are going to take up more disk I/O than what might be expected from a laptop. From what I've been able to tell, deadline has always worked best for me, since not many of the reads I have take very long to start off with (outside of the occasional movie). Course, there is also how much you have loaded into RAM and cache that would affect all this (which I bet you have more RAM than I do), so... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] LVM, crypto, and backup
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 14:15:12 -0600, Albert Hopkins wrote: I would probably use encfs, forget about the one-lvm-per-user complexity, and just back up the encrypted filesystem just like any other fs. Alternatively, you could do the same with the in-kernel ecryptfs. These two solutions work in much the same way, allowing you to mount individual directories with their own passwords, so you could have a single /home with each user's directory having its own password. You back up the encrypted data, so no passwords are needed for this. -- Neil Bothwick Linux users do it without paying a Bill signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] LVM, crypto, and backup
On Sun, Dec 16, 2007 at 02:15:12PM -0600, Albert Hopkins wrote: I would probably use encfs, forget about the one-lvm-per-user complexity, and just back up the encrypted filesystem just like any other fs. No, I want each user to have their own volume, manually mouinted with a passphrase. For instance, I have crontab entries for myself that I want to execute even if the encryopted volume is not mounted. I wanta reboot to work fine without waiting for passphrases. I have no problem with LVM. I will configure the external drive as one volume group and create individual logical volumes for each user, so everyone has control of their own encrypted volume. They can add something to their .bash files to automount it if they want, it won't make me no never mind. Heck, they can skip the encryption if they want. But I want users to have their own logical volumes, and I want it to be independent of $HOME. -- ... _._. ._ ._. . _._. ._. ___ .__ ._. . .__. ._ .. ._. Felix Finch: scarecrow repairman rocket surgeon / [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG = E987 4493 C860 246C 3B1E 6477 7838 76E9 182E 8151 ITAR license #4933 I've found a solution to Fermat's Last Theorem but I see I've run out of room o -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Python vs C++ [was: Gentoo Rules]
On Sonntag, 16. Dezember 2007, Randy Barlow wrote: Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: one reason pro phyton and contra c and c++ has always been: segfaults. And with c++ comes another one: abi changes. Just think about this horror: gcc/libstdc++ update and your package manager stops working Well segfaults generally indicate bugs in your code - so hopefully you would be a good coder and ensure that you manage memory correctly. Abi changes suck big time, I agree on that point, and also the updates - hadn't thought of that one :) sometimes a lib update is the one factor that turns a simply 'thinko' in a full grown segfault ;) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] realtek 8197 wireless card setup
On 16 Dec 2007, at 17:14, Mick wrote: On Sunday 16 December 2007, Jeff Cranmer wrote: Running the command 'dmesg | grep rtl8187' after reboot returns the message usbcore: registered new interface driver rtl8187 All I get for iwconfig is lo no wireless extensions eth0no wireless extensions. This means that the driver has not been loaded yet. Looking at Jeff's previous post (quoted added above) that's not a conclusion I'd jump to. But it would have helped if Jeff had posted `dmesg | grep rtl8187 iwconfig` in the same post to prove the point. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] realtek 8197 wireless card setup
On Sunday 16 December 2007, Stroller wrote: On 16 Dec 2007, at 17:14, Mick wrote: On Sunday 16 December 2007, Jeff Cranmer wrote: Running the command 'dmesg | grep rtl8187' after reboot returns the message usbcore: registered new interface driver rtl8187 All I get for iwconfig is lo no wireless extensions eth0 no wireless extensions. This means that the driver has not been loaded yet. Looking at Jeff's previous post (quoted added above) that's not a conclusion I'd jump to. Oops! Sorry, didn't see that. If the driver is loaded then why isn't an interface showing up? But it would have helped if Jeff had posted `dmesg | grep rtl8187 iwconfig` in the same post to prove the point. Stroller. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] hibernate: press SPACE to continue?
On Mon, 2007-12-10 at 18:42 +, Mick wrote: On Monday 10 December 2007, Rumen Yotov wrote: On (10/12/07 10:37) Iain Buchanan wrote: Hi all, I just upgraded from hibernate-script-1.97-r3 to hibernate-script-1.97-r4, and now at every stage of the suspend to disk and resume process, I see this message: Press SPACE to continue. So I have to press the space bar about 4 times during suspend, and again during resume. I can't find any reference in the docs, readme, google, or even the source! (well, there is a bit on google, but no help really). Any ideas? thanks! -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au Using the same version on 2.6.22-suspend2-rX sources with no problem. But have tried it only from X-less terminal, what's your WM/DM ? HTH. Rumen I just tried sys-power/hibernate-script-1.97-r4 with the 2.6.23-gentoo-r3 kernel and it suspends as expected. No Press SPACE to continue messages here . . . Have you looked at the hibernate.log content in case it is more informative (tweak you hibernate.conf first to increase verbosity if required). thanks for the tips - in the end I commented out the userui suspend2ui_fbsplash and went back to normal. After a few normal reboots (for other reasons) I went back to suspend2ui_text and then suspend2ui_fbsplash and I no longer get the message. Don't know why, but at least I don't have to press space all the time! cya, -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au Nanny Ogg looked him up and down or, at least, down and further down. You're a dwarf, she said. -- Nanny Ogg meets Casanunda (Terry Pratchett, Witches Abroad) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: trouble with vsftpd
David Relson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: anonymous_enable=YES is set. I won't be able to help beyond that, but I'm sure others will. I remember having a hard time with vsftpd and anonymous too. But it suddenly hit me after messing with it for a good while that I had no need of anonymous since its on a protected home lan so just went with -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: DMZ on an vmware gentoo guest running on winXP host
Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just saw the installation of vmware and the generation of a virtual image as more involved than what I suggest above. Using the raw logs from the router and filtering/sorting these through a spreadsheet would probably make them easier to read. Anyway, what ever works better/easier for you. Thanks for your input... very usefull. And you are probably right about 'installation of vmware and the generation of a virtual image' being more trouble. (If it had to be done from scratch) I wouldn't be doing it from scratch since I have a vmware setup with a gentoo application running on one of the winXP boxes already, so that kind of `colored' my notion of what would be more trouble I guess. hehe. I left out the connections from hub to a machine illustrating the fact that it had to be done somewhere and whereever it was it would need some kind of protection. As I mentioned in OP, my gentoo box is pretty freewheeling ... don't use a firewall at all, the firewall is on the router/switch/firewall. Which is easy to configure and nearly maintenance free. Makes no noise and takes very little space. In my experience IPTABLES in the hands of a novice is no where near maintenance free and not so easy either. Much more likely to shoot yourself in the foot. I went to a store-bought firewall some yrs ago exactly from having unending troubles getting my own working. So I didn't see how installing a second NIC, and accompanying firewall would really be any different than just chucking the hub and letting the second nic connect in that position. But I'm not very knowledgable here so maybe that isn't really an option, or a bad one. And either one seemed more involved than doing something from an existing vmware on a winXP or just suffering along with clunky logs. Or whatever scripting I could muster to pull info out of them quickly. [...] real time so the risk of exposure (as I understand it in this context) is minimal, but others may want to comment. I hope they do. I'd be interested. [...] snipped other helpful info Thanks for the info and the names of some of the tools involved. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] LVM, crypto, and backup
On Sun, Dec 16, 2007 at 09:53:08PM +, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 14:15:12 -0600, Albert Hopkins wrote: I would probably use encfs, forget about the one-lvm-per-user complexity, and just back up the encrypted filesystem just like any other fs. Alternatively, you could do the same with the in-kernel ecryptfs. These two solutions work in much the same way, allowing you to mount individual directories with their own passwords, so you could have a single /home with each user's directory having its own password. You back up the encrypted data, so no passwords are needed for this. ecryptfs-utils apaprently is for ~x86 only. Any idea of when it will be ready for ~amd64? One of the things I want is to move this external drive from machine to machine. It would be a shame if 32 bit and 64 bit didn't talk to each other! I do have encfs emrrged on all machines, so I can start there with experimentation; it does encrypt file names, but I'd rather have a solid encrypted block than bits and pieces. I suppose that might not matter a whole lot. -- ... _._. ._ ._. . _._. ._. ___ .__ ._. . .__. ._ .. ._. Felix Finch: scarecrow repairman rocket surgeon / [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG = E987 4493 C860 246C 3B1E 6477 7838 76E9 182E 8151 ITAR license #4933 I've found a solution to Fermat's Last Theorem but I see I've run out of room o -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] growisofs: media is not recognized as recordable DVD
I had some .avi's that I wanted to burn, so I went out and bought a 10pack of
Fujifilm DVD-R media (4.7GB) and fired up K3b. However, it kept asking me to
insert a writable disk even though I put fresh disk after fresh disk in the
drive.
So I resorted to growisofs. I had an ISO I wanted to burn as well so:
$ growisofs -Z /dev/dvdrw=/path/to/image.iso
:-( /dev/dvdrw: media is not recognized as recordable DVD: 0
...so I started Googling and found numerous references to people making stupid
mistakes (trying to burn CDs instead, putting +R discs in -R drives etc.)
and a few people suggesting I flash my firmware.
The thing is, this USED to work -- both with -R and +R and +RW... I just
haven't done it for a few months. I burned a CDR just the other day, but
this is the first time in a while that I've tried to burn a DVD. The drive
is a good one:
$ dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/dvdrw
INQUIRY:[PIONEER ][DVD-RW DVR-108 ][1.10]
GET [CURRENT] CONFIGURATION:
:-( no media mounted, exiting...
And the binaries look ok:
$ ls -l `which cdrecord` `which growisofs` `which mkisofs`
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 321432 2007-12-16 19:08 /usr/bin/cdrecord
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 83620 2007-12-16 18:35 /usr/bin/growisofs
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 432384 2007-12-16 19:08 /usr/bin/mkisofs
As do my permissions:
$ ls -l /dev/hda /dev/dvd /dev/dvdrw
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2007-12-16 18:49 /dev/dvd - hda
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2007-12-16 18:49 /dev/dvdrw - hda
brw-rw 1 root cdrom 3, 0 2007-12-16 18:49 /dev/hda
...though admittedly, I'm not sure what that b is on /dev/hda...
Lastly, my software is up to date:
$ eix cdrtools
[I] app-cdr/cdrtools app-cdr/dvd\\+rw-tools
Available versions: 2.01-r1 2.01.01_alpha25 2.01.01_alpha34
~2.01.01_alpha36 {unicode}
Installed versions: 2.01.01_alpha34(19:08:15 16/12/07)
Homepage:http://cdrecord.berlios.de/
Description: A set of tools for CD/DVD reading and recording,
including cdrecord
[I] app-cdr/dvd+rw-tools
Available versions: 5.21.4.10.8 ~6.0 ~6.1 6.1-r1 7.0
Installed versions: 7.0(18:35:30 16/12/07)
Homepage:http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/
Description: A set of tools for DVD+RW/-RW drives
My user is in the cdrom group and the above happens whether I'm root or my
user. I gotta get this stuff burned ASAP and I'm even downloading Nero for
Windows (shudder) just to get it done, but I really want this to work again.
Suggestions? Help??
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: trouble with vsftpd
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 18:19:14 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Relson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: anonymous_enable=YES is set. I won't be able to help beyond that, but I'm sure others will. I remember having a hard time with vsftpd and anonymous too. But it suddenly hit me after messing with it for a good while that I had no need of anonymous since its on a protected home lan so just went with I've actually got 2 non-working installations -- one a protected home lan machine and the second a server (which stopped working a while ago). I figured the gentoo machine was the best place for experimenting :- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Dual USB HDD enclosure shows only a single disk (NexStar MX)
I bought a NexStar MX dual SATA enclosure and two 1TB drives for it. It has an internal switch to select it appearing as a single 2TB drive or two separate 1TB drives. I eventually want it to be the single drive, but I want it as two separate drives initially. However, it doesn't work that way. I have tried these combinations: Both drives installed Swapped them One drive in each slot, the other slot empty Both slots work, and both drives work. But with two drives installed and the switch in individual drives mode, it only shows one of them. These are SATA and there is no master / slave jumper to snag me, AFAIK. The instruction manual mkes a reference to the mode switch being either JBOD or individual drives. They have a reference to RAID as a comparison, but nowhere else in the manual do they refer to RAID, nor does the box anywhere brag about RAID, and the installation procedures for both Windows and Mac explicitly show two separate new drives. I think it is safe to assume I should see either one 2TB drive or two 1TB drives. I don't have either a Windows or a Mac to try this on, and I don't particularly want to contaimnate my shiny new 1TB drives. So here's my question: Is there some feature of the USB spec that is not implemented under Linux that would prevent one of the drives from showing up? The kernel config does NOT set CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN, if that makes any difference. Here is /var/log/messages when I first inserted the USB connection: Dec 16 12:13:14 bitroteo [575806.793193] usb 4-3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 6 Dec 16 12:13:14 bitroteo [575806.909127] usb 4-3: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Dec 16 12:13:14 bitroteo [575806.910493] scsi2 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices Dec 16 12:13:14 bitroteo [575806.910794] usb-storage: device found at 6 Dec 16 12:13:14 bitroteo [575806.910799] usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning Dec 16 12:13:19 bitroteo [575811.909675] scsi 2:0:0:0: Direct-Access WDC WD10 EACS-00ZJB0 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 CCS Dec 16 12:13:19 bitroteo [575811.911024] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] 1953525168 512-byte hardware sectors (1000205 MB) Dec 16 12:13:19 bitroteo [575811.911754] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off Dec 16 12:13:19 bitroteo [575811.911761] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 00 38 00 00 Dec 16 12:13:19 bitroteo [575811.911765] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Assuming drive cache: write through Dec 16 12:13:19 bitroteo [575811.912751] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] 1953525168 512-byte hardware sectors (1000205 MB) Dec 16 12:13:19 bitroteo [575811.913500] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off Dec 16 12:13:19 bitroteo [575811.913506] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 00 38 00 00 Dec 16 12:13:19 bitroteo [575811.913509] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Assuming drive cache: write through Dec 16 12:13:19 bitroteo [575811.913519] sda: unknown partition table d Dec 16 12:13:19 bitroteo [575811.923424] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI disk Dec 16 12:13:19 bitroteo [575811.923691] sd 2:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg0 type 0 Dec 16 12:13:19 bitroteo [575811.924342] usb-storage: device scan complete Here is the result of lsusb: # lsusb Bus 004 Device 013: ID 152d:2336 JMicron Technology Corp. / JMicron USA Technology Corp. Bus 004 Device 001: ID : Bus 002 Device 001: ID : Bus 003 Device 002: ID 047d:1020 Kensington Bus 003 Device 001: ID : Bus 001 Device 003: ID 06a3:8000 Saitek PLC Bus 001 Device 001: ID : # lsusb -v -s 4:13 Bus 004 Device 013: ID 152d:2336 JMicron Technology Corp. / JMicron USA Technology Corp. Device Descriptor: bLength18 bDescriptorType 1 bcdUSB 2.00 bDeviceClass0 (Defined at Interface level) bDeviceSubClass 0 bDeviceProtocol 0 bMaxPacketSize064 idVendor 0x152d JMicron Technology Corp. / JMicron USA Technology Corp. idProduct 0x2336 bcdDevice1.00 iManufacturer 1 JMicron iProduct2 JM20336 SATA, USB Combo iSerial 5 8DC88D10EAC8 bNumConfigurations 1 Configuration Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 2 wTotalLength 32 bNumInterfaces 1 bConfigurationValue 1 iConfiguration 4 USB Mass Storage bmAttributes 0xc0 Self Powered MaxPower2mA Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber0 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 2 bInterfaceClass 8 Mass Storage bInterfaceSubClass 6 SCSI bInterfaceProtocol 80 Bulk (Zip) iInterface 6 Bulk-In, Bulk-Out Interface Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN bmAttributes2
Re: [gentoo-user] realtek 8197 wireless card setup
On 16 Dec 2007, at 22:56, Mick wrote: On Sunday 16 December 2007, Stroller wrote: On 16 Dec 2007, at 17:14, Mick wrote: On Sunday 16 December 2007, Jeff Cranmer wrote: Running the command 'dmesg | grep rtl8187' after reboot returns the message usbcore: registered new interface driver rtl8187 All I get for iwconfig is lo no wireless extensions eth0no wireless extensions. This means that the driver has not been loaded yet. Looking at Jeff's previous post (quoted added above) that's not a conclusion I'd jump to. Oops! Sorry, didn't see that. If the driver is loaded then why isn't an interface showing up? Good question. I agree that without seeing that statement I might well have thought the same thing. That's why I wrote: But it would have helped if Jeff had posted `dmesg | grep rtl8187 iwconfig` in the same post to prove the point. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Dual USB HDD enclosure shows only a single disk (NexStar MX)
On Montag, 17. Dezember 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The kernel config does NOT set CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN, if that makes any difference. it should. Please set it. Oh, and don't forget - in 'single disk mode' you might loose everything if one of the two disks dies. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Dual USB HDD enclosure shows only a single disk (NexStar MX)
On Mon, Dec 17, 2007 at 02:38:40AM +0100, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: On Montag, 17. Dezember 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The kernel config does NOT set CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN, if that makes any difference. it should. Please set it. Oh, and don't forget - in 'single disk mode' you might loose everything if one of the two disks dies. I don't mean to sound argumentative, but why shoul SCIS LUNs matter here? I know USB comes across as SCSI disks, but why should the USB system care about them -- why wouldn't the USB interface simply present itself as two disks, sda and sdb for instance? I am not worried about one of the two disks dying. I intend to use two of them, one as backup. Of course, backups aren't foolproof, but I have other backups too. -- ... _._. ._ ._. . _._. ._. ___ .__ ._. . .__. ._ .. ._. Felix Finch: scarecrow repairman rocket surgeon / [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG = E987 4493 C860 246C 3B1E 6477 7838 76E9 182E 8151 ITAR license #4933 I've found a solution to Fermat's Last Theorem but I see I've run out of room o -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Got myself in a bind unmerging portage
It all started like this: Using rsync I was getting an error when ever I used the `--stats' flag. The output said it was an error in the stack ... Rather than mess with it, I thought I might take the opportunity to sync portage and see if a newer rsync was available. Its been a mnth or so since I synced. At the end of the sync I got the notice about emerging a new portage... so did so. But then when I attempted to emerg rsync I got some errors I'd never seen before: --- ACCESS VIOLATION SUMMARY --- LOG FILE = /var/log/sandbox/sandbox-14253.log open_rd: /root/.bash_history open_rd: /root/.bash_history What was shown there is absolutely all that is in the log and there are no others at that location. Looking at /root/.bash_history I saw nothing wrong. Its permissions were 600... but just incase I set it to 644 but it didn't help. Since these were (To me) unusual errors I thought maybe I should back out the portage update. Foolishly I ran emerge -vC portage before thinking about it much. I was deeply embroiled in some perl programming is my only excuse other than deep seated stupidity. But cutting to the chase: Now of course many of the portage tools were rm'ed before the emerge -vC failed here: [...] --- !empty dir /usr --- !empty dir /etc/portage --- !empty dir /etc/logrotate.d --- !empty dir /etc/env.d --- !empty dir /etc [portage-2.1.4_rc10] bash: /usr/lib/portage/bin/ebuild.sh: No such file or directory !!! FAILED postrm: 127 So very basic stuff is missing. emerge is one of the tools now missing I thought maybe I could download portage and compile it manually but it appears not to really be made to be used like that. At least looking in the unpacked top level directory I don't see the familiar signs of a gnu sources package like ./configure and such. It does have a ready made emerge at ./bin/emerge but running it seems to indicate it is looking in the wrong places for stuff and isn't going to be usefull without some more skilled technician than me. What are my choices here... is the only one to use the livecd and emerge portage from there? Or is there such a thing as a sources package of portage arranged for a stand alone compile job. All I could find was the distfile.. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Got myself in a bind unmerging portage
On Sun, Dec 16, 2007 at 10:23:35PM -0500, Randy Barlow wrote: Anyone else want to chime in I am by no means an expert or even close personal friend of Pythion or gentoo, but that won't stop me. Portage installs pretty quickly; wouldn't it be possible to just do everything manually? It's not like he removed gcc or the kernel. Someone could send him a build log and he could just do the manual steps -- unpack, copy, etc. Tedious and a pain and probably need to be done several times to get it right, but otherwise it seems like it ought to be doable within an hour or so. -- ... _._. ._ ._. . _._. ._. ___ .__ ._. . .__. ._ .. ._. Felix Finch: scarecrow repairman rocket surgeon / [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG = E987 4493 C860 246C 3B1E 6477 7838 76E9 182E 8151 ITAR license #4933 I've found a solution to Fermat's Last Theorem but I see I've run out of room o -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Got myself in a bind unmerging portage
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Dec 16, 2007 at 10:23:35PM -0500, Randy Barlow wrote: Anyone else want to chime in I am by no means an expert or even close personal friend of Pythion or gentoo, but that won't stop me. Portage installs pretty quickly; wouldn't it be possible to just do everything manually? It's not like he removed gcc or the kernel. Someone could send him a build log and he could just do the manual steps -- unpack, copy, etc. Tedious and a pain and probably need to be done several times to get it right, but otherwise it seems like it ought to be doable within an hour or so. http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/portage/doc/manually-fixing-portage.xml That help any? It's not like you are the first to do something like this. LOL Dale :-) :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Got myself in a bind unmerging portage
On Sun, 2007-12-16 at 22:23 -0500, Randy Barlow wrote: It kind of makes me chuckle a bit that emerge -vC portage doesn't at least warn you that this will make a mess of your system (Are you sure?) # emerge -Ca portage These are the packages that would be unmerged: !!! 'sys-apps/portage' is part of your system profile. !!! Unmerging it may be damaging to your system. I'd say that's fair enough. -- Albert W. Hopkins -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Dual USB HDD enclosure shows only a single disk (NexStar MX)
On Sun, 2007-12-16 at 18:23 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Dec 17, 2007 at 02:38:40AM +0100, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: On Montag, 17. Dezember 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The kernel config does NOT set CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN, if that makes any difference. it should. Please set it. Oh, and don't forget - in 'single disk mode' you might loose everything if one of the two disks dies. I don't mean to sound argumentative, but why shoul SCIS LUNs matter here? I know USB comes across as SCSI disks, but why should the USB system care about them -- why wouldn't the USB interface simply present itself as two disks, sda and sdb for instance? I am not worried about one of the two disks dying. I intend to use two of them, one as backup. Of course, backups aren't foolproof, but I have other backups too. don't ask me, I only work here... but I have a multimedia unit that has 4 card reader slots, a HD, an LCD and USB2. Only /dev/sda shows up if I don't set the multiple luns option, and /dev/sda isn't the HD! It's the (usually empty) CFCARD slot! I don't know why it isn't on by default in the livecd either... -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought. -- Simon Cameron There are honest journalists like there are honest politicians. When bought they stay bought. -- Bill Moyers -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Dual USB HDD enclosure shows only a single disk (NexStar MX)
On Mon, Dec 17, 2007 at 02:00:32PM +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote: don't ask me, I only work here... but I have a multimedia unit that has 4 card reader slots, a HD, an LCD and USB2. Only /dev/sda shows up if I don't set the multiple luns option, and /dev/sda isn't the HD! It's the (usually empty) CFCARD slot! I don't know why it isn't on by default in the livecd either... I have several of those USB multislot multimedia readers, and none of them show any rpesence in /dev except for those slots which have a card in them. Wel, I haven't checked them in a while. But for instance, one of them has four slots, I think they show up normally on my system as sd[fghi], nad the one I use th emost is sdh. I put the card in, then plug in the USB cable, and sdh shows up but not sd[fgi]. Last time I cheked, it also confused the heckout of the USB system if I pulled the card out of the slot before yanking out the USB cable. I will try the LUN flag but not right now, I don't want to reboot now. -- ... _._. ._ ._. . _._. ._. ___ .__ ._. . .__. ._ .. ._. Felix Finch: scarecrow repairman rocket surgeon / [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG = E987 4493 C860 246C 3B1E 6477 7838 76E9 182E 8151 ITAR license #4933 I've found a solution to Fermat's Last Theorem but I see I've run out of room o -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Dual USB HDD enclosure shows only a single disk (NexStar MX)
On Montag, 17. Dezember 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Dec 17, 2007 at 02:00:32PM +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote: don't ask me, I only work here... but I have a multimedia unit that has 4 card reader slots, a HD, an LCD and USB2. Only /dev/sda shows up if I don't set the multiple luns option, and /dev/sda isn't the HD! It's the (usually empty) CFCARD slot! I don't know why it isn't on by default in the livecd either... I have several of those USB multislot multimedia readers, and none of them show any rpesence in /dev except for those slots which have a card in them. Wel, I haven't checked them in a while. But for instance, one of them has four slots, I think they show up normally on my system as sd[fghi], nad the one I use th emost is sdh. I put the card in, then plug in the USB cable, and sdh shows up but not sd[fgi]. Last time I cheked, it also confused the heckout of the USB system if I pulled the card out of the slot before yanking out the USB cable. I will try the LUN flag but not right now, I don't want to reboot now. -- ... _._. ._ ._. . _._. ._. ___ .__ ._. . .__. ._ .. ._. Felix Finch: scarecrow repairman rocket surgeon / [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG = E987 4493 C860 246C 3B1E 6477 7838 76E9 182E 8151 ITAR license #4933 I've found a solution to Fermat's Last Theorem but I see I've run out of room o and I have a '30in1' card reader that needs the multi-lun flag to find anything at all. usb is just 'some kind of scsi' for the kernel. -- Conclusions In a straight-up fight, the Empire squashes the Federation like a bug. Even with its numerical advantage removed, the Empire would still squash the Federation like a bug. Accept it. -Michael Wong -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
